1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily Ours. 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: Oh now it makes sense. 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Ours. It's Thursday, 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: the twenty fifth of April. I'm Lucy, I'm Billy. Earlier 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: this week, the Victorian government announced it would not go 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: ahead with plans to open a second supervised injecting room 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: in Melbourne. 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 3: And this issue of the location has been a key 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 3: sticking point. We have been unable to find a location 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: that strikes the right balance, to strike that balance between 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: supporting people, supporting people who use drugs with the needs 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 3: of the broader community. 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: On today's podcast, we're going to look at why the 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: Victorian government backflipped on its commitment, what the context of 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: the decision is, and how the communities responded. But first, Billy, 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: what's making headlines. 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: Deaths on Australian roads have increased by eight point two 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: percent in the year to March, according to new data 19 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: from the Australian Automobile Association, or the Triple A. New 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: South Wales saw the biggest increase in road deaths, followed 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: by the NT and Victoria. The Triple A said data 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: including the causes of fatal crashes is collected by state 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: and territory governments, but is not made public. It has 24 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: called for more transparency so crucial data can inform ways 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: to reduce the death toll. The New South Wales government 26 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: has agreed to pay two hundred and thirty million dollars 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: to junior doctors over allegations of unpaid overtime and missed 28 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: meal breaks. The class action was first launched in December 29 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty and sought to compensate junior medical doctors who'd 30 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: allegedly been underpaid in the ten years since the end 31 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,919 Speaker 2: of twenty fourteen. New South Wales Health has now agreed 32 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: to the settlement, which is the largest underpayment class action 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: ever in Australia. The US Senate has passed laws on 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: Tuesday evening that will force TikTok's Chinese owners to sell 35 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: the app or face a nationwide ban. It follows concerns 36 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: about data sharing between TikTok, who is owned by Chinese 37 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: company Byte Dance, and the Chinese government. The bill will 38 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: force byte Dance to sell to a company outside of China. 39 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: About one hundred and seventy million Americans use TikTok, which 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: is roughly half the country's population, and If you want 41 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: more information on that, we have a full episode dedicated 42 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: to that legislation that we will put in the show notes. 43 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: And today's good news, the European Parliament has approved a 44 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: ban on products made with forced labor. This means the 45 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: European Commission will be able to investigate any suspicious manufacturers 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: or providers and if forced labor is present in the 47 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: supply chain, those providers will no longer be able to 48 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: sell their products in the EU market. EU countries have 49 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: three years to implement the ban. 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 4: Hey, I'm Nish and I'm the lead developer at the Dallyods. 51 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: I'm responsible for developing all the tech that we use, 52 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 4: from the website to the newsletter in just two seconds. 53 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 4: You can help the dally Oods grow just by clicking 54 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 4: follow on Apple or Spotify, and if you want to 55 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 4: leave us a review, that also helps a lot too. 56 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 4: Thank you, and now back to the deep Dive. 57 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: Earlier this week, Victorian Premiere just Int Alan said the 58 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: government is not going to move forward with plans to 59 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: establish a second supervised injecting room in Melbourne. In announcing 60 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: her decision, Alan said her government had found there was 61 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: no appropriate location in Melbourne's CBD that balances the needs 62 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: of people who use drugs with the needs of the 63 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: broader CBD community, and therefore the proposal wasn't going to 64 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: go ahead. 65 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: This was really big news, especially for those in Victoria 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: this week, where it has been a really big political 67 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: issue for years. Now. Can we start the conversation by 68 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: you just explaining exactly what is a safe injecting room 69 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: for those who aren't familiar. 70 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so. A supervised injecting room is a hygienic 71 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: place where a person can inject drugs under medical supervision. 72 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: Health professionals ask users about what drugs they're taking and 73 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: can quickly respond to an overdose if that happens. Supervised 74 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: injecting facilities can also provide mental health support, treatment for addiction, 75 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: and blood testing services. So the Victorian government has already 76 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: set up a supervised injecting room. They set one up 77 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: in Richmond in twenty eighteen, just outside the Melbourne CBD. 78 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: I also should add that this isn't actually a uniquely 79 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: Victorian idea. There's a supervised injecting room in King's Cross 80 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: in Sydney. It opened in two thousand and one and 81 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: has attended to eleven thousand overdoses. So in Sydney they've 82 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: responded to eleven thousand overdoses. What about in Victoria? Yeah, 83 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: so the Richmond facility has responded to more than eight 84 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: thousand overdoses. That's since opening in twenty eighteen, and an 85 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: independent review actually found it saved more than sixty lives. 86 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: Wow. 87 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: In June twenty twenty, then Premier Daniel Andrews committed to 88 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: opening up a second injecting site in the CBD. 89 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 3: Right. 90 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: So we had Dan Andrews, the former Premier of Victoria, 91 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: committing four years ago to opening a new site. Yea, 92 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 2: what has happened between then and now? That's quite a while. Yeah. 93 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 1: So a month after Andrews promised to open a new site, 94 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: his government commissioned an inquiry to look at how this 95 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: would work, to consult with the relevant stakeholders. That report, 96 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: led by former head of Victoria Police Ken Lay, handed 97 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: down its recommendations in May twenty twenty three. But we 98 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: actually only just got to read its findings this week. 99 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: It's taken nearly a year for the government to make 100 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: that report public, a year in which obviously Daniel Andrews resigned. 101 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: In that report, it was noted there were fifty four 102 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: drug deaths in the City of Melbourne area between twenty 103 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: twenty and twenty twenty one, making it the deadliest site 104 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: for drug use in the whole state of Victoria. And 105 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: so in the end, the report recommended setting up a 106 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: small supervised injecting room in Melbourne's CBD. 107 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a little confused. So my understanding is the 108 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 2: government commissioned this report which was made public this week, 109 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: and that recommended opening up the second site. But then 110 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: also this week the government has told us that that 111 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: won't be happening despite that recommendation. 112 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: Is that right, Yeah, So the government has had time 113 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: to consider the recommendations of this report, and basically what 114 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: came out this week was new Premier just Inter Allen 115 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: admitted that they couldn't find a suitable location for that 116 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: supervised injecting room in Melbourne CBD, and she said this 117 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: was disappointing. The government did accept Lay's other recommendations to 118 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 1: improve healthcare responses and treatments for people struggling with addiction. 119 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: So essentially they said they've accepted all the recommendations other 120 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: than the recommendations related to setting up another supervised injecting 121 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: room in the CBD, right, And. 122 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: So what has their response been to this announcement. 123 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, as you can imagine, pretty varied responses. So 124 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: on the one hand, we've heard from the Victorian Liberals. 125 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: They're the opposition who've remained really against the idea of 126 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: supervised injecting rooms existing in the first. 127 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: Place, so they're happy with this decision they are. 128 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: Before the twenty eighteen state election, the Victorian Liberals said 129 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: they would shut down the Richmond injecting room if they 130 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: got in. They weren't elected, so that supervised injecting room 131 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: remains open today. But that gives you kind of a 132 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: sense of their position in regard to this latest announcement. 133 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: The opposition said they were in favor of the government's decision. 134 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: Shadow Mental Health Minister Emma Keeley said the government's decision 135 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: to walk away from a second injecting room is the 136 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: right outcome, and she said, quote, this long overdue decision 137 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: ends years of uncertainty for residents, traders and visitors to 138 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: Melbourne's CBD. 139 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: I presume not everyone agrees with that position, though I'm 140 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: sure there would be some people who would be quite 141 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: disappointed by this decision. 142 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: That's right. So on the other hand, we have the 143 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: Greens in Victoria who said the decision was spineless. Newly 144 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: appointed Green's leader Ellen Sandal, whose electric actually covers the CBD, 145 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: said quote it leaves people who are struggling with heroin 146 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: addiction to die on the streets of Melbourne. So pretty 147 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: strong language from the Greens there. And the Victorian Alcohol 148 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: and Drug Association, the state's peak body for services in 149 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol, agreed and said the decision was disappointing. 150 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: So CEO Chris Christofferu said experts had backed a second 151 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: injecting room, obviously referring to the Lay report, and said 152 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: quote fear and stigma continue to obstruct good public policy. However, 153 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: the association did welcome the state government's plans to improve 154 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: access to drug related services across the state. 155 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: A really interesting discussion about harminimization. I remember hearing about 156 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: this pretty much. I think my whole life I've heard 157 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 2: about this debate about safe injecting rooms, so I'm sure 158 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: it's one that we will continue to hear about. But 159 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: thank you so much for your explainer today, Lucy. 160 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Billy, and thank. 161 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: You so much for listening. To today's podcast and as 162 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: you heard Nish before, it would be a big help 163 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: if you can press follow on Spotify or Apple. It 164 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: really helps get us up the charts and helps new 165 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: listeners find us. 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