1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: If something does make you feel good, how do you 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: try and systemize it into your life so that kind 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: of just happens naturally for you, as opposed to thinking 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: I love doing that, but I never find time or 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: I never do it. We never will find time unless 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: you sort of actively go I've got a car of 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: that time out. 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to How I Work, a show about the tactics 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: used by leading innovators to get so much out of 10 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: their day. I'm your host, doctor Amantha Imber. I'm an 11 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: organizational psychologist, the CEO of Inventium, and I'm obsessed with 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: finding ways to optimize my work date. My guest today 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 2: is Carolyn Creswell. As Australian listeners probably know, Carolyn is 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: the founder of Carmen's, which is pretty much in every 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: supermarket in Australia and is exported to thirty two countries 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: around the world. Over the last twenty five years, Carolyn 17 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: has built Carmen's into a one hundred million dollar business. 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: But there is so much more to Carolyn than just 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: delicious tasting MUSI. She has given so much thought to 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: the way that she works, and this interviewer is full 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: of really practical gems. I particularly loved hearing about what 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 2: is almost like an annual self improvement planning process that 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: she does every summer, which was very very cool. Over 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 2: to Carolyn to hear about how she works. 25 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: Carolyn, welcome to the show. 26 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: Well thanks for having me, Amantha. 27 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: I want to start with your morning routine because I 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: know that you have one, so talk to me about 29 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: how do you. 30 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: Spend your mornings. 31 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 1: So my alarm goes off at three minutes to six. 32 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: I never start by saying it has that five number 33 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: in front of it, and then that just gives me 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes sort of to wake up. And 35 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: I then have a warm water with lemon juice, I 36 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: get my gin gear on, I grab my puppy dog, 37 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: and I run down to the park to meet my 38 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: girlfriend at six fifteen and we have a walk while 39 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: sunrises for about an hour. And what I like, I 40 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: meet with the same girl every day and we have 41 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: like really great chats. It's, you know, I can tell 42 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: her anything. I know that it's always confidential, and so 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: I guess it's half exercise and it's also half an 44 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: ability to have a good chat with a girlfriend about 45 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: whatever's on your mind. So then I get home and 46 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: I quickly make my breakfast. You know, this morning was 47 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: a porridge, and then I grab a coffee and I 48 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: have a shower and I then get myself ready while 49 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: my kids they have a pretty sort of you know, 50 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: their own little routine going on. And so then about 51 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: eight thirty I drop the kids to school and keep 52 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: going on to the office. And you know, that sort 53 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: of gets me here. So generally on the drive in, 54 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: I always ring my closest girlfriend and I also ring 55 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: my mum. So by then I've had plenty of chat 56 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: time and you know, chatted kids, and you know, I 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: always feel like I've achieved a lot by the time 58 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: I get to work. 59 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: It sounds like it and I want to dig deeper 60 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: into the walk that you do every morning. 61 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: So that's amazing. That's a lot of talk time. 62 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: And people often say, oh, how do you not run 63 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: out of things to talk to this one friend about? 64 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 1: And it's funny, this morning I went with two other 65 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: girls because that friend had an event on and so 66 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: the other girls. It just was different. You know, walking 67 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: with two people is different because it's a different dynamic 68 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: and conversation than you do that you have with one person. 69 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: And what I think is that you need to find 70 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: little things that work for you and then do more 71 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: of what works for you and less of what doesn't. 72 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: So for some people they say, oh, you know, I 73 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: want to exercise at night, or that they want to 74 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: do you know that they everyone will have a different 75 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: routine of what ticks in their world. And for me, 76 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: I love the fact of being in nature. We walk 77 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: in a park next to the arraw River and we 78 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 1: watched the sunrise this morning. There was all the hot 79 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: air balloons. You know. I love that sense of being 80 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: connected and I feel like I feel great after I've 81 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 1: done it, and I never feel you know, an hour 82 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: goes and you think, oh wow, I can't believe we've 83 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: already hit that hour. But that's because we're chatting away. 84 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: That's amazing. And what are the types of things that 85 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 3: you chat about? Typically? What are the topics that you'd cover? 86 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: It will be anything. 87 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I sometimes find, you know, say, for example, 88 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: I have to let someone go at work. I'll be 89 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: feeling really nervous about it and I'll say, hey, I 90 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: just want to I can I run through how I'm 91 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: going to script this conversation. It'll be about you know, 92 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: something you know that's perhaps challenged me around the kids, 93 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: or you know about Pete or about what I'm thinking about, 94 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: you know, what I want to do for my birthday. 95 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's just normal girlfriend talk. But I think 96 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: the secret is you want to be able to have 97 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: someone who will also say hey, I think maybe you 98 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: could see that from a different perspective. Or you also 99 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: want to have someone that will be able to keep 100 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: things confidential. You don't always want to say. You know, 101 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: if I'm going to say, look, I'm thinking of letting 102 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: this person go, I need to know that they're a vault, 103 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: because that's not something that you can be having as 104 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: a gossip around the traps. So I think that you know, 105 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: we all have different friends in different parts of our life, 106 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: but I enjoy my walking friend all very much. 107 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: That's nice. That's nice. 108 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: And now you're sitting here drinking a coffee and I 109 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: know that you have a no coffee rule where you 110 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: get approached a lot from people just say can I 111 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: have a coffee with you? Can I pick your brain? 112 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: Like being such a high profile entrophone and I know 113 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: that you don't do. 114 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: Coffees, And can you tell me when? When did that 115 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: rule start. 116 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: So for me, when I started the business, I was 117 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: working crazy hours, I was working late at night. You know, 118 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: there was always you know, stuff doing weekends. And what 119 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: I realized over a period of time is that if 120 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: someone comes up to you on the street and says, 121 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: can I have twenty dollars, you say no. But if 122 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: someone says can I have twenty minutes or can I 123 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: have a coffee with you, you feel like you have 124 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: to say yes. And so my take around that is 125 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: that that is actually the difference of having kind of 126 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: work life balance. That's the difference of getting to five 127 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: thirty night and going I'm kind of under control, basically 128 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: nothing left to main box. I can get out of here, 129 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: so I will happily help someone. So often on that 130 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: drive to work, I will have it. Depends if I 131 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: do it in the morning, and sometimes I do it 132 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: at night. When I'm driving home, I'll have a mentoring call, 133 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: so someone that wanted to catch up with me or 134 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: so generally, always my first port of call is when 135 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: someone says, you know, so a kind of reasonably high 136 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: profile CEO yesterday said oh, could I come and have 137 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: a coffee with you? And so I'll start by saying, oh, 138 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: can we just have a phone call, But I book 139 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: it in and so they know that at nine o'clock 140 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: on Tuesday the nineteenth, I'll be calling them and so 141 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: I can still have that chat. But that's just in 142 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: the dead time when I'm driving to work. So I 143 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: generally don't see many people externally, so it means that 144 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: I've got all the time to do and I try 145 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: not to have hardly any meetings. I mean, obviously, you 146 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: know you have my one on ones with my direct reports, 147 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: but that just means that I can carve out my 148 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: day to do what I want to do. And I 149 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: feel like sometimes people feel like they're a bit or 150 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: something if they say no, I can't really I don't 151 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: have time to have coffee with someone. So that's my 152 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: way of juggling it so that I cannot feel like 153 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm giving everything to everyone else and I can't actually 154 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: get my own work done. 155 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, what does your diary look like? 156 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: Then? 157 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: Like, if I had a look at your calendar, is 158 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: it basically empty or do you almost like schedule thinking 159 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: it is? 160 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: Generally I have certain rules, so I try not on 161 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: a Monday to see anyone in the mornings because I 162 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: like to get my week set up. I like to 163 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: look at what the whole week's going to look like, 164 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: and I like to sort of clear through whatever, you know, 165 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: emails might have come on the weekend, so that I 166 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: can sort of get to lunch. Now, we have very 167 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: lucky to have someone here. We have a girl that 168 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: does the cooking, so you can auder your lunch and 169 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: everyone pays for themselves. But at twelfth that he will 170 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: have lunch, and then I will go into the afternoons 171 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: and I try and have a lot of time for 172 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: my to so I'll have on Mondays and Tuesdays, I'll 173 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: have one on ones with my direct reports. And I 174 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: also there's two things I spend my time when I'm working. 175 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: One is on strategy, so I'm very much involved with 176 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: a strategic process. So I'll have which yesterday and today, 177 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: I have meetings around each manager will have all of 178 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: the we do something called initiatives, which are about excellent 179 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: so things that we're doing that we're going to do 180 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: a lot better, or innovations, which are new things that 181 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: we've never done before. And the other thing is on 182 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: product development. So often i'll have meetings on someone will 183 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: come in and say Hey, this is a new flavor musliba. 184 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: We're doing what do you think of is packaging all 185 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: these callouts? And so I'm always involved in the product development. 186 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: So I think those two things are probably I only 187 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: really work on the future of Garmens a little bit 188 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: on how we're tracking, But I'm not really worried about 189 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: week to week how we're tracking. Are more about where 190 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: are we going to be in three years time? Have 191 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: we set the right agenda to get there? What's our 192 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: future looking like? Which is generally in our products. So 193 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: that's probably the main things that I would spend my 194 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: time doing. And you know, I feel like, you know, 195 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: I love coming to work. I feel generally under control 196 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: and I don't feel I rush from lots of things. 197 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: And if I'm end a meeting that I think I 198 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: shouldn't be there, you know, I mean, I'll happily say 199 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: often I'm just asked to come in and say hi 200 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: to a client, but I won't maybe sit through the meeting, 201 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: or if I think, oh, this isn't worth it, I'll say, okay, 202 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 1: can I catch up on the notes at the end. 203 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: So I feel like people meetings can just suck people's 204 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: energy and their ability to get done their important work. 205 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: And so I'm very I'm always looking at how I'm 206 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: spending my time. Was that a good use of it? 207 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: What things you know? Even though I'm on my inbox? 208 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: What things are reading for a rainy day? And so 209 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: sometimes if I finished all my emails, I'll go into 210 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: that reading file of thinking. You know, So I think 211 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, having rules on your emails and having turning 212 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: them off for periods of time. I've obviously read a 213 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that you talk about how to 214 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: work effectively, and I'm always trying to tweak that to 215 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: be better tomorrow than I was yesterday. 216 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: So how does that work? 217 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: Like? 218 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: Are you reflecting on a daily basis like or almost 219 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 2: like on a task by task basis like, because it 220 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: sounds like you think about it so much, which I love, 221 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 2: and I'm curious, like, how does that reflection work or 222 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: is it just this natural thing? 223 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes it'll be a small tweak. The main reflection I 224 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: do is in my summer holidays. So I set myself 225 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: this big thing, which is saying for my New Year's resolutions, 226 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: who do I want to be next year? What are 227 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: the little changes that I want to make in my life, 228 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: so for example, you know, and they're about work or 229 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: they're about my personal life. So one of my little 230 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: changes last Christmas was saying, I want to see my 231 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: parents more, but I sort of I want it just 232 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: to happen normally. So I did this thing of saying, 233 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: why don't you come for dinner every Monday night? And 234 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: so we started off and we always and you were 235 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: going to have the same thing. It was always that 236 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: we're going to have roast chicken every Monday night, and 237 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: they would come. And now it's just become this part 238 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: of my kid's life that you know, the grandparents are 239 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: there and they love it, the family loves it, and 240 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: it means I don't have to think about seeing like organizing. 241 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it's been three weeks and I haven't seen 242 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: mom and dad. So that's just a little change that 243 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: I've made. And each year I might have a dozen 244 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: of those, and then that culminates of going, wow, you know, 245 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: over a period of a few years, the different things 246 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: that you have done, the little tweets you've done, or 247 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, so you know, in a period of time, 248 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: I remember saying, I'm just not going to paint my 249 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: fing emails again. Right, that's just going off or I'm 250 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: not allowed to watch TV. I just gave up, you know, 251 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: And sometimes it's hard, but if you want to create 252 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: the life that you want to live, you have to 253 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: go what's not serving me or what's maybe sucking up time? 254 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: And so I've also liked this year, which is kind 255 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: of hard. I've said, I don't have to respond to 256 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: every email if it's something, if it's someone asking something 257 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: or or just cold calling or somethhow they've got it, 258 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: you know, that's something that they need. I have to 259 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: focus on what I need. So that I find hard 260 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: because I'm a nice person. But it's constantly assessing how 261 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: you're behaving and whether it's serving you. Yeah, it's interesting. 262 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 2: And so it sounds like you've almost got this annual 263 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: planning cycle with yourself. I'm curious in terms of self discipline, 264 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: like you come across as someone with a lot of 265 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: self discipline and with some of those changes like just 266 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: not watching TV anymore and you know, not responding to 267 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: emails and potentially having to deal with the guilt that 268 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: comes with that. Like have there been I guess resolutions 269 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 2: or goals that you've set that you have struggled with 270 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 2: that have been a challenge to change your behavior. 271 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: I mean often you say to yourself. What I try 272 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: and say is, well, what's serving my life? So if 273 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: you have a look at what are the stuff that 274 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: you're doing that you think is a good thing that 275 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: benefiting your life, and on the other side of the 276 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: seesaw what's probably dragging you down. And so for me, 277 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: not being tired is a really important thing. I need 278 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: enough sleep. I need eight hour sleep. I wish I 279 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: needed less, but unfortunately it's not the case for me. 280 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: So I know that I really need to almost set 281 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: my alarm to go to bed, like I really need 282 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: to be in my bed by ten o'clock. So I'm 283 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: sort of asleep, so I can be fine at the 284 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: other end, and I just and I would find that, 285 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: you know, if you choose to do something, so for me, 286 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: like if I'd choose to go and spend that hour 287 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: watching TV. And I'm not saying at Christmas, I don't 288 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: binge on the crown or do something, you know, but 289 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: I have to have a little bit of discipline to 290 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: lead the life that I do. And also to say 291 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: I genuinely love my life. And so there's nothing. I've 292 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: given up. If watching television was my big delicious pleasure, 293 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: well that would be fine, but it's not. So I'd 294 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: much rather watch a movie on the weekend than just 295 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: watch whatever's going on. I mean, even I something that 296 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: was sort of hard and challenging was I gave up 297 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: listening or watching the news, so I don't have any 298 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: kind of real news. Like someone said the other day, 299 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister had change O no, because I just 300 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: don't like that. I'll listen to a podcast in the car, 301 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: or I will. You know, I just don't consume news 302 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: and often find it's okay, you survive. And when did 303 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: you make that change? Why? When? And why? So years 304 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: ago I remember reading something and someone said, you don't 305 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: need to know the news, and I thought, well, that's 306 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: kind of interesting. You know, what do you need to know? 307 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: And I would rather listen to something that, you know, 308 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: perhaps like this podcast or something that would benefit me 309 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: as a person, or I listened to a lot of 310 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: audiobooks and that will help me grow. I'm a big 311 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: one for like sounds waking, but you know, self development 312 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: and like becoming a better person obviously from the way 313 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm talking here, So how you know, you almost need 314 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: to look at your life from the outside in and 315 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: go what's what's what's filling my glass, what's making me happy, 316 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: what's serving me? And what's what am I doing perhaps 317 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: to impress the joneses or to I don't know that 318 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: I'll go somewhere like I almost I was talking about 319 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: this with my friend yesterday. I think I'm almost going 320 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: to say no to any more black tie, fancy events 321 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: in casinos, you know, to go on. I'm that's not 322 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: sure I beleave that going Wow, that was a great night. 323 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: Whereas taking my kids to Chinatown and going and have 324 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: film chair or I don't know, even just just having 325 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, a few friends around for about here. That 326 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: fills my bucket more than perhaps being at some swanky event. 327 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: So hmmm. 328 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: And speaking of filling your bucket, I've heard you talk 329 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: about a Sunday market that you go to being your 330 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: happy place, and I want to know, like if you, 331 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: I guess can talk about like I don't know if 332 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: that's a regular Sunday routine going to it. 333 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: The Conway is the market? 334 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what does that do for you? 335 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: And I guess for me, I often think how did 336 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: I feel about that what makes me feel happy. And 337 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: I think sometimes you don't want to keep doing the 338 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: same things that you that you always do, and so 339 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: you know when you just feel like it feels your soul. 340 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: And I I went to the gallery last night. I 341 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is so good. This is out 342 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: of my normal world. This is so I'm really feeling 343 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: inspired and I feel great. So of my little funny 344 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: Sunday market and it's in a little sleepy country town 345 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: and I go down there and it's all secondhand books, 346 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: which I'm a big reader. And I pot around and 347 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: I buy my veggies, and there's someone that plays love 348 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: music and have a coffee, and I'll always buy some 349 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, random little jug or something. And you know, 350 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: my kids love coming down with me, and we just 351 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: go down for an hour or two and pot around, 352 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: and I just it just makes me feel good. And 353 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: I think, if something does make you feel good, how 354 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: do you try and systemize it into your life so 355 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: that kind of just happens naturally for you, as opposed 356 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: to thinking I love doing that, but I never find 357 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: time or I never do it. We never will find 358 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: time unless you sort of actively go I've got a 359 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: car of that time out. So sometimes, you know, I'll 360 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: put a dinner thinking, I know, once a year, I 361 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: love having dinner with those people I used to work with, 362 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: and I'll put that reminder in my diary for next 363 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: year to go, okay, it's October, it's time to catch 364 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: up with those work guys. And even I'll put something 365 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: in months in advance, and all of a sudden the 366 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: year unfolds and you go, well, wow, that's just come around. 367 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: And so you know, there's looking at your life, I 368 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: guess in its entirety, or even you know, on an 369 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: annual cycle, like in January, I set my hair appointments 370 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: for the whole year. So I don't want to think, 371 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I desperately need a haircut and I 372 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: can only get two o'clock on a Thursday and I 373 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: got to work. I want to know that I've got 374 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: my slot that I like at eight am that works, 375 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: you know for me, And so like I just find 376 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: that that is your life just unfolds comfortably because that's 377 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: been thought through and it's really a big deal to 378 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: sit and go, Okay, if I need to get my 379 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: hair cut every six weeks, I've booked those appointments you 380 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: know it just to me, I think it just makes 381 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: your life a bit calmer and a little bit happier. Maybe. 382 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting this idea of systemaizing things, because it 383 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: sounds like when you were talking about the almost like 384 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: the yearly goals that you want to change. You develop 385 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: a system to make that stick, like what you were 386 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 2: saying about your parents' dinner, Like what's some other what 387 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: are some other systems that you've put in place that 388 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: might sort of surprise people perhaps. 389 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: So I predominantly don't see my friends as much on weekends. 390 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: I you know, when I've got four kids aging eighteen, twelve, 391 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: and fourteen. So I try and say I'll do sort 392 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: of social things generally like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, so that 393 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: then weekends are much more about family time. And that's that. 394 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 1: But I love it. I'm not doing it out of 395 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: any form of, you know, being a martyr. That's so 396 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: often we might go away, we'll go down to my farm, 397 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: so that's probably more of a priority. And then I 398 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 1: will do things like I'm in two book groups, so 399 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: off and on a Tuesday, so twice a month, on 400 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: a Tuesday night, I'll have my book club book and off, 401 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: and on a Thursday would be the night where I 402 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 1: go out with my husband and we'll have dinner, we'll 403 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: go somewhere and do something different. So I find that 404 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 1: I sort of as my week. You know, I've got 405 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: mom and dad and you know, grandparents on Monday nights 406 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: and so they're just you know, people know, there's like 407 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: other little rules for me that I say, nothing good 408 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: happens after midnight, so you will never see me anywhere 409 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: after midnight. I'm sure lots of good things happen to 410 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: other people after midnight. But because I love my sleep 411 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, and so it's kind of 412 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: a standing joke that I'm going to just evaporate. You know. 413 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: If I'm at a dinner, we do another fun dinner 414 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: which is called men's dinner. So we have three couples 415 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: and the men cook for the women and we sit 416 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: around and so that's quite fun. So we have a 417 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: cycle of those that happen. And I'm not that structured 418 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: that I don't change things or juggle things around it all. 419 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: But I just find that it just works for what 420 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: I enjoy doing, so that I don't have to think 421 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: about saying, oh, i'd love to see those people we 422 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: have men's dinner with. But I've got to organize it 423 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: the years and where did the year go? Well. I 424 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: will often sort of plan those those times in advance. 425 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: And have that in the office, Like during the nine 426 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: to five, are there like what are some of your 427 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 2: most I guess valuable systems or habits or routines that 428 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 2: you have in the workplace. 429 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: So a couple of things that if you want to 430 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: do a really quick email, you pick up your phone, 431 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: not your laptop. Everyone as soon as they see sent 432 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: from my iPhone that people understand that it's just a 433 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: very brief whatever. I will have lots of rules on 434 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: my email, so things that will go into certain folders. 435 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: I think that sometimes people feel that they need to 436 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: write very long, beautifully written, extensive, paragraphed emails. I'm much 437 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: more bullet point sort of girl. I always will stop. 438 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: Food is really important to me. So we all stop 439 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: at twelve thirty and everyone has lunch together. And I 440 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: think that that's I think it's a very good thing 441 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: you shouldn't need at your desk. And I think you 442 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: guys just did an example of that recently, and I 443 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: think it just actually stops and clicks your brain into 444 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: a different mode and it's literally twenty minutes to come down. 445 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: You eat and go back, but I feel you've got 446 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: a freshness to what you're doing. What else you know? 447 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: I try and keep things reasonably ord and tidy, and 448 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: I use tasks a lot, and I think a lot 449 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: of people don't use tasks. So a couple of my 450 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: favorite apps that are a big life changer to me. 451 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: One is called wonder List. So it's a shared list app, 452 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: so you can have, you know, and I've got god 453 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: how many maybe thirty on one list? 454 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: So how do you use your wonder List? Because I'm 455 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: a big Wonderlist fan, so took me through. And for 456 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: those that don't know, wonder List is it's kind of 457 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 2: like to do list software, and you can have different 458 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: yes to do lists if you like, within the one app. 459 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 3: So what does yours look like? 460 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: So, for example, we have a home shopping list so 461 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: I can add something to it, my husband can add 462 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: something to it, and whoever goes to supermarket can know 463 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: what's needed. I have one for our head office which 464 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: I share with the project manager here, so whenever I 465 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: walk around and I'll see that, you know, a door 466 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: handle's falling off, I put on wonder list. You know, 467 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: door handle In Tokyo, we call out all our rooms 468 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: places we export to is falling off, and so then 469 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: I know that it's there. I also look at them 470 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: and I can see what's been done. So that's a 471 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: good thing of being able to track, you know, what 472 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: happened in the building this week. I also keep it 473 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: so when someone says to me, I've seen a great movie, 474 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: I go to right into my movies on wonder list. 475 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: So that then when I sit down on Saturday night 476 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: and go on what am I going to watch on Netflix? Whatever? 477 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: You know, what movie will I bring up? I just 478 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: pull up my Wonder list. So I've got that list, 479 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: and I always write who recommended it as well, because 480 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: if you loved it or you know, often you don't 481 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: remember things like that, so I just find it. It's 482 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: a really good way. It's a very good shared list scenario. Yeah, 483 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: so that's one of my favorites. There's another an app 484 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: that I love for pocket money for kids called Spriggy. 485 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: So the pocket money goes in, but they get give 486 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: a little card and they can spend their pocket money 487 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: how they want, and they can put it into savings 488 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a great bit of technology. Anyway, 489 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: there are there any other apps that you're really into. 490 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: I've got a luggage tracker that I am. It was 491 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: called a lug block. It's just changed its name, I 492 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: think recently, and so that's a great app. So whenever 493 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: I'm traveling to know that my bags have made it 494 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: and I can. I've had situations when they're stuck at 495 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: an airport and they tell me it's somewhere else and 496 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: I go, no, I can, I can tell that's there. 497 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking from an organization point of view. I've 498 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: turned my phone off for this, you know, I will 499 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: often know. The other thing that I'm a big one 500 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: is using Siri really well. So for example, I'll say 501 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: to my phone, when I leave this destination, please remind 502 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: me to call Amantha. And so I've forgotten about it. 503 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: I hop in the car and one minute later it'll 504 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: pop up on the screen sad call Amantha. So it 505 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: reminds me that when I'm leaving to be able to 506 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: use it. And I use Siri all the time, so 507 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: when I'm driving in, please email myself I know if 508 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: something ends up in my inbox. It doesn't get lost 509 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: in the ether of any other form of you know, 510 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: either a post it note or a text message. So 511 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: I'll say to myself, you know, ring this person at 512 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 1: four thirty, you know, you know, take this musically by 513 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: home for someone whatever. So I'm always telling Siri to 514 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: email myself. And I'm a bit a fan of Google 515 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: Home as well, so I find that's a good you know, 516 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: being able to call out questions, what's the weather, turn 517 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: the lamps off? No. I love technology and I'm very, 518 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: very excited about Amazon coming to Australia in a big way. 519 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: So I think that's going to be awesome. 520 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 3: Oh fantastic, fantastic. 521 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 2: I'm keen to hear more about like you seem like 522 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 2: such a chill out kind of person and I can't 523 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: even imagine like all the you know, all the different 524 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 2: sort of things that you're juggling in your mind. And 525 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 2: I remember reading in an interview, I think it was 526 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: your husband Pete, that said that you used to be 527 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: a stresshead, but not so much anymore. And I wanted 528 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: to know, like, was there a time where that changed 529 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: and how how did you make that change? 530 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: So and it doesn't just happen going to one seminar 531 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: and going, oh my gosh, I'm a new person. And 532 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: I think sometimes if you say to yourself, in any 533 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: book you read or any seminar you go to, if 534 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: one thing sticks, that's enough, except that that's one change. 535 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: And I probably realized before you know, and this is 536 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: now my son's fourteen, so probably you know, fifteen ish 537 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: years ago, Well, I couldn't keep that lifestyle going, and 538 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: I probably wasn't serving me, and I probably switched, and 539 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: I probably maybe a lot of people then switched a 540 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: bit more into the self development and not like it 541 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: used to be a badge of honor to go I 542 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: am busy. I'm so busy. I mean I would get 543 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: to an airport and I didn't want to hop on 544 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: a plane unless they were calling my name on the 545 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: loud speaker, because that meant I was successful. You know. 546 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, people would say, how are 547 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: you custressed? At arbles? Because that meant I'd made it 548 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: in life. And then I listened to this beautiful little story. 549 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: It's called the Mexican Fisherman. So to bear with me 550 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: for one second. I don't know if you've heard it, 551 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: but this fisherman. He goes out and he catches the fish, 552 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: and this guy says, so what are you going to 553 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: do for the rest of the day. And he said, oh, 554 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: I'm going to go and have a sleep, and then 555 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to go and have a lovely lunch with 556 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: my wife, and then I'm going to go into the 557 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: village and play guitar with my friends. And he said, 558 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: why don't you fish more? And he said, well I could, 559 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: but I don't need to have got enough of what 560 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: I lent me. And he said, well you cought, and 561 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: then you need to saying what could you do? What 562 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: you do and you build this up and you'd fish 563 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: so much, you'd make all of this money, and you'd 564 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: move to New York and all of this stuff and anyway, 565 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: google it if you're interested. I'm doing a very fast 566 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: version here. And then he says, well, what would happen 567 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: with all of that money? He said, Well, you could 568 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: just move to a little sleepy village and you could 569 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: sleep in and just catch whatever fish you wanted and 570 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: hang out in the town with your you know, your 571 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: friends and play guitar and you know, have afternoon siestas. 572 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: And it was just that thing of like what are 573 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: we striving for in our lives? You know, is busy 574 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: really this badge of honor? And I think for me, 575 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: I've just you know, I try and keep the noise 576 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: and the clutter at bay. And the way I do 577 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: that is I'm really conscious of my time how I 578 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: spend it. And you know that's why, for example, I 579 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: don't want to think, oh my gosh, my haircut's all 580 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: week up at you and I've got to do the 581 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: two o'clock in the afternoon thing, which is going to 582 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: ruin my whole day. I want to know that life 583 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: just unfolds and all of a sudden that I'm never 584 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: in a state where I feel I'm really behind the 585 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: eight ball or I'm really feeling that life's got out 586 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: of control. And so learning and looking and the little 587 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: things that I've tweaked, you know, and it's not like 588 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: it happened, you know, this has been a slow evolution 589 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: over a long period of time. You know. I remember 590 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: one of the first ones was wash my face at night, 591 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, like really funny little things of going you know, 592 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: you're just you're a young girl and you could get 593 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: away with just going to bed whatever. But now you know, 594 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: middle aged forty four. Yeah, I do some different things 595 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: to take care of yourself. So how you know, even 596 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: from like what you wear of how that you know 597 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: makes you feel like so almost have a bit of 598 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: a you know, a uniform. I laugh about that. I'm 599 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: not a big fashionist or you know, I haven't lost 600 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: one friend since I stopped painting my fingernails. You know, Like, 601 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: what are you doing some of these things for? And 602 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: who are you trying to impress? Because that's just not 603 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: the person I want to be, you know. I want 604 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: to feel that, you know, I surround myself with really 605 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: interesting people and that I'm leading an interesting life that's 606 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: fulfilling me, that you know, that's making me feel good. 607 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: And so if you're sometimes running around things and you 608 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: just have to say, like, I've stopped going to a 609 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: lot of things where I think, oh, that could be 610 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: a networking thing, but then it also could be just 611 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: a waste of a night that we go. I could 612 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: actually be doing something that serves me more. So, Yeah, 613 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: and what do you do? 614 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: Like, cause I imagine that there still are things, like 615 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: you know, in your life, like you mentioned, you know, 616 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: let's say you have to come to work and let 617 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 2: someone go for example, like, how how then mentally do 618 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: you manage those stresses. 619 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: If you like? So my first thing, and this has 620 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: taken me a long time, but I will only ever 621 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: tell the truth. So I don't tell white lies. And 622 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: that is really hard sometimes because sometimes it's really easy 623 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: to tell a white lie. And I try and say 624 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: to my kids the same thing that you know, if 625 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: you come from a place of just telling someone the truth. 626 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: Now I might not choose to tell you. I might 627 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: only tell you the truth if you ask me what 628 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: it is. But I will never be caught lying to 629 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: my kids to anyone. So I'm not going to say sorry, 630 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: Will can't come to the party because he's sick, and 631 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: then you find that Will was actually down the street 632 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: kicking a footy and wasn't sick. Because I feel like 633 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: over a period of a lifetime, you know, if anyone 634 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: comes across me that has dealt with me in my career, 635 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: they'd say, do you know what you know? I didn't 636 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: always like it, but she had integrity and so that's 637 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: kind of one of my core values. And like I said, 638 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: sometimes it would be a lot easier, but I to 639 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: tell a white lie or to so I try and 640 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: always come back to that. So I I will often 641 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: say to myself, you know, it's not like I'm here 642 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: for the long term. I'm here for a marathon. It's 643 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: not just a sprint. And this is the I know 644 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm coming from a place if it's the right thing 645 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: to do. There's a great Mayor Angelou quote that success 646 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: is liking yourself, liking what you do, but most of all, 647 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: liking how you do it. And I like how I 648 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: do it. And that's taken a long time to get 649 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: to that sort of space, twenty six years, I. 650 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 2: Think, and truth telling, truth telling one hundred percent of 651 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: the time. That sounds quite different from how a lot 652 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 2: of people operate. When did you come to that realization 653 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 2: that you just wanted to tell three years ago? 654 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: And you'll see in my office, I have a big 655 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: picture behind my desk, and every it's a bookshelf, and 656 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: every spine of the book is about telling the truth, 657 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: and it's everything's in black and white, so it's called 658 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: the truth in black and white. I remember being really 659 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: broke when I was about five years into the business 660 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: and I had to buy these nuts were getting delivered 661 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: and I didn't have enough money, and I was going 662 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: to give the nut guy the check in an envelope 663 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: and I hadn't signed it by the time I got 664 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: back to their head office, you know, which was half 665 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: an hour's drive. They'd realize it wasn't signed. They'd have 666 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: to bring it back the next day. I'd sign it 667 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: the next day and it'd be fine. And the guy 668 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: I worked next to me, he said, why don't you 669 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: just put a post it note saying, look, I'm really sorry, 670 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure of money today. Would you mind holding this 671 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: check and banking it tomorrow? I was like, oh, I 672 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: never thought about doing like that, and here I was 673 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: trying to be manipulative, and he said, they will appreciate 674 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: that so much more. And then over time that and 675 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,479 Speaker 1: I guess it's also come with confidence. It's hard to 676 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: do stuff like that when you're young, and you know 677 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: you're thinking, oh my gosh, what you know they're going 678 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: to think of me? What are they going to say? 679 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,239 Speaker 1: And then as time went on, I thought, you know what, 680 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: I actually really appreciate when someone tells it to me. 681 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: How it is. So if I let someone go and 682 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: I go, look, i'm really sorry, there's nothing to do 683 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: with you we're downsizing. Business hasn't been great, so and 684 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: then they find out that, you know, we've hired someone 685 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: else and business is booming. Then then they're going to 686 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: be bitter and angry, and they also can't learn from that. 687 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: You can't grow if I come in and say, hey, 688 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: I just don't think this is the right fit. You 689 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: seem moody and grumpy when you come into the office, 690 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: and we're just not that place. We just expect more, so, 691 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, and I will, no one will ever, It'll 692 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: never come out of the blue. You will have had 693 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: a conversation and I'm happy to have that conversation early 694 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: on of saying, you know, one of our core values 695 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: is positivity, and I understand that everyone's got stuff going 696 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: on in their life, but when you come into here, 697 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: it's not fair for the people on the left and 698 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: the right of you to deal with you being aggressive 699 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: and grumpy and difficult to work with, because that's just 700 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: not the place that I want to build. That's not 701 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: the people I want to work with. And people then 702 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: have a choice of going okay, right, I get where 703 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm coming from, But otherwise you will take that through 704 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: your whole career because no one's actually told you how 705 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: you're showing up and I actually find that, you know, 706 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: I'll often say this is feedback is hard to hear, 707 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: and I get it's hard for me as well. This 708 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: is how I'm seeing it. I'll just let you sit 709 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: with that, and you know, it's up to you and 710 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: whether they want to take it on board address it. 711 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, it never comes first conversation of the blow. 712 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: People would generally know. But you know that's just you know, 713 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: what I think is the right thing to do. 714 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 3: I really like that. 715 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: I must say for myself when I'm having these conversations 716 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 2: with particularly in the workplace, I feel very stressed beforehand, 717 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 2: like do you do you feel that or has truth? 718 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: The truth tealing just become a habit. 719 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 2: So it's like that's fine, like being the bearer of 720 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 2: difficult news, for example. So what I'd say is it 721 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 2: sometimes is very uncomfortable. That doesn't make me veer from 722 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 2: telling the truth. I know that's going to be my approach, 723 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 2: but don't you worry. Like I'm often sick the night 724 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 2: before and you know you're running to the toilet and 725 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 2: you're just like, oh my gosh, because I'm acutely aware 726 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 2: that this is someone's life, and that I don't take that. 727 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 2: I never take that lightheartedly. But then also, I'm actually 728 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: not a charity operation here. I'm actually running a business. 729 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 2: And my take is that there is a million incredible people. 730 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 2: We have people queuing to want to work here. So 731 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 2: if I've got someone here who's not pulling up their socks, 732 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: you need to be able to give them. And that's 733 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 2: what I said. You know, they will always be given 734 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,240 Speaker 2: a sense of saying this is you know, often it's 735 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 2: on a values decision. So you know, I had a 736 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: guy that was telling me that he wanted to work 737 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 2: super early, and I just had this sense of going, 738 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 2: I just don't think you're arriving at work at six 739 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 2: in the morning. And I said to him, you know, 740 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 2: how's it all going. He said, Oh, it's great. It's 741 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: I get so much work done. And I thought, God, 742 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 2: I don't want to get up to have to come 743 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 2: and here just to see if it is. And I 744 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 2: happened to look over and I saw the alarm panel, 745 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 2: and so I just rang charp and said, hey, what 746 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 2: time's the alarm and going off, knowing that he was 747 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 2: turning off six forty six forty five. There's no way 748 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 2: he was doing you know that, But he just lied 749 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: to my face and I was like, you know what, 750 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 2: that's it like you've had I've given you a chance 751 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 2: without even knowing is it working for you? 752 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: Do you want to adjust it? And I think that 753 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: there's a there's also a duty for employees to be 754 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: able to tell the truth of how something's working for 755 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: them or how they want to adjust things, because I 756 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: think it makes you feel good about yourself. You know 757 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: that you can hold your head high, that you're doing 758 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: the right thing. And anyway, that's that's I guess, as 759 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: I said, one of my core values. Yeah, that's important 760 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: to me. 761 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 2: And it sounds like you've kind of got this self 762 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 2: talk going on. I guess when you're experiencing that that 763 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 2: stress around having a difficult conversation, is that like your 764 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 2: main strategy for I guess getting through the stress before 765 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 2: that big conversation. 766 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: Well, I think my self talk is saying, you know, 767 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: are you doing the right thing? And often, you know 768 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: what the hardest one is this having the tough conversations 769 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: when it might be to a friend. You know, in 770 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: the workplace, we are taught to have those conversations you know, 771 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: we have training for it, we know that we that 772 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: we have to do it. But often in social situations, 773 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, people feel really uncomfortable and you know, I, 774 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: for example, won't sit through a racist joke, and if 775 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: someone says it around me, I will say, hey, you know, 776 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: that's just really inappropriate and I just don't want to 777 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: sit through you saying something like that, and how you 778 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: have enough confidence to be able to do that. But 779 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: I just think I just want to be proud of 780 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: who I am and how I behave, and I don't 781 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: want to sit through a racist joke, so I will 782 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: tell someone, And yeah, I do find it often more 783 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: difficult in my private life. 784 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 2: I want to I want to go back to the 785 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 2: self improvement kind of theme of your life, and they 786 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 2: know that you're I think you said like you're off 787 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 2: the charts and self improvement when you've done like you 788 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 2: surveys and questionnaires and things like that, which I love. 789 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 2: And what I'm curious about is how do you know 790 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 2: what education and information to consume because there's so many options, 791 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 2: Like for someone that is big on improving themselves and learning. 792 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 3: More, how do you decide what you're going to put 793 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 3: in your brain. 794 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: So to me, I think that you have to have 795 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: an ability of looking in on your life and saying 796 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: what's serving me and what's making me feel good? And 797 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: where do I think I need to improve? Where's something? 798 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: And so, you know, for a couple of things, For example, 799 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: I would love to be better at meditation. I'd love 800 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: to be better at writing journals. And so I'll think, 801 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: all right, and I'll then I'll ask someone I know 802 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: who's good at those things, well, how are you fitting 803 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: it into your life? What are you doing what? And 804 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: so then I'll try different things. And so you know 805 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: I used to try, you know, doing a little short 806 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: meditations before I went to the gym, you know that 807 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: go for a walk in the morning or going to 808 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: the gym, and then I I'm still so, for example, 809 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: the areas that haven't nailed, and we're going to start 810 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: meditation classes here at lunchtime, and so I'll then, you know, 811 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: it's not like I don't think if you have to 812 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: think of education as some formal something like it might 813 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: be from someone that you know that's really good at that. 814 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: And then I call it test to measure. You'll try something. 815 00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: Does that work for me? Do I like it and 816 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing it or am I suffering through it? And 817 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: then you'll try something else. Then you think, well, hang on, 818 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: how you know, like I often feel when I write 819 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: a journal, like what if someone picks it up and 820 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: reads it? And then my friend Christina Carlson said, no, no, 821 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: you just burn the pages. You write the pages and 822 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: you just put them straight at the fire and burn them, 823 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: just light a match. I was like, okay, so what 824 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: are the things that how are you feeling about something, 825 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: what's holding you back? What are the challenges? And then 826 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: you consume what you think might be appropriate. So sometimes 827 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: you know, for example, I read Tools of Titans and 828 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: Tim Ferriss. There's lots of different little things, tips of 829 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: people's you know, mornings and what they did and what 830 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,720 Speaker 1: serves them and motivates them. And then it'll be whether 831 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: it's you know, I read lots of interesting business books 832 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: or you know, I quite liked, as I said, you know, 833 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: listening to podcasts or audiobooks when I'm driving and that 834 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: this time just flies, or when I'm falling asleep at 835 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: night and listening to it that teachers pet at the moment, 836 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: so the whole time, it's so addictive you know, every 837 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: time I'm in the car or you know, going to 838 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: sleep at night. You know, you know, I find that 839 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,720 Speaker 1: really interesting and sometimes don't feel it's always about self improvement. 840 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: It's about what you know. Sometimes it's about feeding your 841 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: soul and what's making you feel good about you and 842 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: that's giving you a spring in your step because you've 843 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: done something a little bit different than what your normal 844 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: day is. So I just feel that that helps create 845 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,359 Speaker 1: the best version of you. And that's all we're trying 846 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: to do, is that over this cycle of life to 847 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,479 Speaker 1: get to the end and go. I was really proud 848 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: of who I was and what I did, and I 849 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: didn't lead a small life. I wasn't boring. I didn't 850 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: I don't have any regrets about not trying things. And 851 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: I can tell you the one thing I have learned 852 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: is that money is not the answer to your happiness. 853 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's very nice to be able to pay 854 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: your bills, absolutely, and it's you know, a great privilege 855 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: to be able to travel. But without question, the most 856 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: wealthy people I know are the most unhappy because they 857 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: feel that that is their badge of honor, that is 858 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: their way to success and to have business and I 859 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: feel that having great friends and being able to laugh 860 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: around the table and to be able to feel that 861 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 1: you've you know, been an interesting human and to me, 862 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: that is much more about what gives you personal satisfaction. 863 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 3: Nice. 864 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: Nice. 865 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 2: I want to finish with a few kind of quick 866 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 2: questions around what are you consuming now in terms of 867 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 2: like books, podcasts, newsletters, things like that. So so let's 868 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 2: let's start with podcasts. That's sort of come up a 869 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 2: couple of times. Teachers pet is obviously one that what 870 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 2: A like what a you know one or two other 871 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 2: go to podcasts for. 872 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: You well, I mean, I don't know if you don't 873 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: officially call it podcasts per se, but I'm mad for 874 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: for ted Talks. So and I find that they and 875 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: I will look at what are the most popular ones, 876 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: and or I'll go into genres that I find and interesting, 877 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: whether it's help the happiness or you know that I 878 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 1: find that they're very well put together. But then I'm 879 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: starting to you know, a lot of the I'm in 880 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: like a learning book group, so they consume a lot 881 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: more so They've just sent me a list of some 882 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: other ones that I've got on my phone. So for books, 883 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: I'm often trying that. So either go from my of 884 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: my two book groups, which is my main reading, one 885 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: is of you know, novels, which I actually really enjoy 886 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: of thinking about something different. So, for example, Lionel Shriver 887 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite authors, and so you know 888 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: mandibles or something you know crazy that she's written that 889 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: just gets me out of my normal thought process. But 890 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,800 Speaker 1: then the others are much more on whether it's development 891 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: of your self, so things like Languages of Love or 892 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: I just read was It the Unspoiled Child, which was 893 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: around how to raise kids that are much more grounded 894 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: and generous and smart with money. And then so I 895 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: often flip, I actually quite like on a plane, just 896 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: a real I'm still old school. I carry a kindle, 897 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,959 Speaker 1: but I find it a book is really still nice 898 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: to you know, generally, I'll often be traveling with one 899 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: of my handbag and then I still I do still 900 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: love just to listen to music, and I think that sometimes, 901 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, we can consume information, but it is very 902 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: good to have, you know, just have some great you know, 903 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: like often if I'm driving home a bit late and 904 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: I put the music super loud and sing in the car, 905 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 1: and so I think that that's another good thing. And 906 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 1: then I have a pile of you know, things that 907 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: might have been sent to me just to like Sunday 908 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: afternoon reading of different whether it might be articles that 909 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, someone might have clipped out and sent to 910 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: me old school. So there's often there's always a reading 911 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: pile of what can be consumed. And I also would 912 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: say that if you start reading something and you think 913 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: it's not for me or whatever, it's okay, just let 914 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: it go. There's just a million other things that you 915 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,800 Speaker 1: could that you could consume. 916 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 2: Definitely, I love the Center of your Learning book Club. 917 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 2: That's really cool. 918 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: How do they decide on which books to so you know, 919 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: it's got some amazing girls in it with I said 920 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,959 Speaker 1: Christian Carlson. Alissa Camplin who won the gold medal, Mary 921 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:09,280 Speaker 1: an Cheerer who owned Tea two, Sally McKay who's an artist, 922 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: Blinda a Rebecca Herman who owns Blinda, an audiobil company. 923 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: So I mean she sends me just cases of audiobooks. 924 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: And so generally if someone's heard about something and or 925 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,720 Speaker 1: something that is you know, interesting, like we'll move around 926 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: whether it's around love or around parenting or around you know, 927 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: there's a brain one that we're doing recently about how 928 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: you know, sort of brain plasticity, and they're always very 929 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: interesting and I think it's off in the conversations we 930 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,839 Speaker 1: have as a group, and then we actually sounds at 931 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: the top. We actually traveled once a year together, so 932 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: last year we went to Sweden and went to Christina's 933 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: house and then we just talk and drink tea. And 934 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,399 Speaker 1: then this year we actually went to New York, which 935 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: was very exciting. So book Club on tour on steroids, 936 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: I love. It is an enormous privilege to be able 937 00:44:59,160 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: to do that. 938 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and newsletters, are there any newsletters that you subscribe 939 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 2: to you that you love reading? 940 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: I have to say I probably don't. I mean, the 941 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: only one that I am a little bit addicted to 942 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: is a guy that I'm super fond of called Cyril Peplion, 943 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 1: and he wrote works Smarter to Live Better and it's 944 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 1: a very skinny little book. I highly recommend it, and 945 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,959 Speaker 1: it's sort of basically around how to kind of organize 946 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 1: your emails and your work life. So he has you know, 947 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,800 Speaker 1: carving out time for the bigger projects, don't worry about 948 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: some of the little stuff. A lot of the stuff 949 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: around being, don't multitask, turn your inbox off just to 950 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: sit there and pump through it. Don't feel you have 951 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: to write essays. Bullet points are fine, put in your rules, 952 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, all that stuff excellent. 953 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 3: And finally, where can people find more about you and Carmen's. 954 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't know about. Maybe there's funny stuff out there 955 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 1: about Carmen's. And so I said, I'm a super proud 956 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: mum of this baby, and you know it's going from 957 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: strength to strength. And you know, we've got our new 958 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: beautiful head office here. So if anyone ever wants to 959 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: come down to Sunny Huntingdale which is just near Chadstone 960 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: in Victoria, and we'd love to see you and you 961 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: try the whole range and get a sense of what 962 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 1: Carments is a business is like. And more often than 963 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: not you see me, you know, lurking in the foyer 964 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: chatting to everyone. 965 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 2: Oh excellentle I've loved this chat with you. Thank you 966 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,800 Speaker 2: so much for your time, so it pleasure. 967 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: Thank you. 968 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 3: Hello there. 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