Speaker 1: I was waiting for this, for this question. I was
Speaker 1: asking it, and I'm so shocked because I am like
Speaker 1: this sex villain and no one's asking a vagina question.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was funny, like I could draw everyone to
Speaker 2: Jina in that house.
Speaker 1: I think the hardest part was the omission of any
Speaker 1: actual conversation the Matt and I had, because I would
Speaker 1: have liked for me to watch those conversations back, just
Speaker 1: be sitting there.
Speaker 2: And being like, if I want to fuck you, which
Speaker 2: I happened obviously.
Speaker 1: I wanted to fuck him. Imagine a two due to
Speaker 1: the guide, And I'm like, is it wasn't friends.
Speaker 2: I don't like, I don't know, I like, I like
Speaker 2: you have.
Speaker 1: People were saying, you're fake, you're a bit, you're dumb,
Speaker 1: you're fat, you're ugly, you're you're a snake.
Speaker 2: You just you do believe it.
Speaker 1: I kind of realize that when the media movement started
Speaker 1: and my friends and I all have read, I just
Speaker 1: assumed that.
Speaker 2: Everyone's been sexually assaulted.
Speaker 1: Everyone that I know has been between groats and a
Speaker 1: pub and right, which is a horror.
Speaker 2: Will think so out loud, but I just believe every story.
Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to a very special episode of Outspoken, our.
Speaker 4: Under the Influence series.
Speaker 3: Today, we sat down with Abby Chatfield from The Bachelor
Speaker 3: to find out more about the twenty four year old
Speaker 3: runner up. What we discovered was a strong woman with
Speaker 3: even stronger views who's so much more in the one
Speaker 3: dimensional sex craze villain Bachelor producers portrayed her to be.
Speaker 3: While the podcast is full of fun Bachelor goss, we
Speaker 3: must warn listeners we do touch on matters relating to
Speaker 3: mental health, which could be confronting. If you are struggling,
Speaker 3: please contact Lifeline. On thirteen eleven fourteen. Thank you so
Speaker 3: much for joining us on Outspoken. Sophie and I of
Speaker 3: course were glue to this year's Bachelor, and although you
Speaker 3: are probably the breakout contested on the show, I feel
Speaker 3: like there's so much we still don't know about you.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me. Yeah, I feel like there's
Speaker 2: a lot more.
Speaker 1: But I think with every Instagram rand people are finding
Speaker 1: out more about me.
Speaker 4: That is so true.
Speaker 3: Well, what do you do as a job, because there's
Speaker 3: a bit of confusion and so far my mind. I
Speaker 3: read that you were Will ten described you as an analyst,
Speaker 3: but then I also read that you work in sales
Speaker 3: and marketing.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: So when I was on the show, I was a
Speaker 1: property analyst, so I worked in hotels, Like I worked
Speaker 1: for a real estate agency that sold hotels and bars
Speaker 1: and restaurants and stuff, and I kind of did numbers
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I have a degree in property economics.
Speaker 1: And then when I got off the show, I quit
Speaker 1: there and I just got a job that was literally
Speaker 1: like because my other job was kind of like that,
Speaker 1: you know, like a nine to nine rather than a
Speaker 1: nine to five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the job.
Speaker 1: That I got is a pay rise and is a
Speaker 1: literally like ninety five. Like, I don't have any extra stress,
Speaker 1: so after the show, I just need.
Speaker 2: To have like a breather.
Speaker 1: So I'm still in property, but I just kind of
Speaker 1: took a job that was much mentally easier because I
Speaker 1: just couldn't handle the stress.
Speaker 3: What's it like being on a show like The Bachelor
Speaker 3: and then I suppose everybody at work seeing I supposely
Speaker 3: making out on you know, on the show and all
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, hearing about your personality weird?
Speaker 1: Well, not really, because the thing is I work in property,
Speaker 1: so a lot of the people that I work with
Speaker 1: are like middle aged men, So they don't watch it,
Speaker 1: think they don't care, and like they're like like they'll
Speaker 1: make jokes about like, oh, we saw you passion Passion
Speaker 1: that astro because it was bloke.
Speaker 2: But that's about it. Like people and the girls who work.
Speaker 1: In the office just kind of want gossip and they're like,
Speaker 1: do you get to keep the dresses? So that's kind
Speaker 1: of it. Isn't that weird?
Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty lucky in the demographic that I
Speaker 2: work with. They just kind of like, no one cares
Speaker 2: about your stupid show. Can you please just do work? Well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I used to work as an online content
Speaker 3: producer at a radio station in Adelaide.
Speaker 4: And Ali from you know, Bachelorette Ali.
Speaker 3: Actually used to work there, and I felt so sorry
Speaker 3: for her because all like we had older men that
Speaker 3: would work there and they'd hear little rumors that had
Speaker 3: gone on, and they'd ask at these really insensitive comments
Speaker 3: questions because I.
Speaker 4: Knew nothing about it. But it's like, oh, why.
Speaker 3: Do you know to go on there to get a
Speaker 3: bloke like you're good looking, and they're like, you don't
Speaker 3: get it, You just don't get it.
Speaker 2: I had everyone thought that I had won in the
Speaker 2: office because I was.
Speaker 1: Gone for obviously the full three months, so everyone in
Speaker 1: my life, he wasn't like my close friends or my
Speaker 1: family thought that i'd want. Some of the guys would
Speaker 1: send me just photos of Matt randomly. I would be like,
Speaker 1: here's a boyfriend. And I'd just been like crying in
Speaker 1: the bathroom about him.
Speaker 2: And I asked there and laugh and I'm like, haha,
Speaker 2: that's my boyfriend.
Speaker 3: And delving back a little bit further, can you tell
Speaker 3: us about what life was like growing up and how
Speaker 3: your childhood shake the woman that you are today.
Speaker 4: So we're going from question to question. Now were crying
Speaker 4: in the bathroom to what was your childhood? We're going deep.
Speaker 2: Here, girl. Yeah, so I grew up with the Gold Coast.
Speaker 2: I had a single mom.
Speaker 1: It was just my mum, my sister, and I And
Speaker 1: when I was born. My dad left when I was
Speaker 1: like a.
Speaker 2: Few months old.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I grew up with the Gold Coast
Speaker 1: and we moved to Brisbane and I was like eight
Speaker 1: and then my mum met her second husband and I
Speaker 1: can't really talk about it because of there was a
Speaker 1: court case about it, and basically something's happened financially and
Speaker 1: that caused me to have three jobs in grade twelve.
Speaker 2: I was working from when I was like thirteen. Then
Speaker 2: I had three jobs.
Speaker 1: In year twelve, and I my literally my sleeping pattern
Speaker 1: was like controlled off, like no dos and then having.
Speaker 2: Rest of its. So it was like I would take
Speaker 2: a rest of it to sleep and then have a
Speaker 2: nose to wake up.
Speaker 1: Because I was working until eleven pm every night, they
Speaker 1: get like an hour bus ride home and then doing
Speaker 1: school the next day. I missed out on so many
Speaker 1: social events because I was always working to like help
Speaker 1: mom and be able to survive basically, and all my
Speaker 1: friends were private school.
Speaker 2: You know. I went to a private school.
Speaker 1: So everyone has money, and everyone goes on holidays every
Speaker 1: September holidays, and everyone's you know, going to study, and.
Speaker 2: I never got to do that.
Speaker 1: So when I got off with a Bachelor, I was
Speaker 1: sort of like, well, I've never got to do anything
Speaker 1: for me, and the only reasons why I wouldn't do
Speaker 1: it well because of financial issues or because of disappointing
Speaker 1: my job or something like leaving mum for three months.
Speaker 1: So I kind of that's kind of how that shaped
Speaker 1: me into doing the Bachelor, which is really weird, but
Speaker 1: that was my thought process at the time.
Speaker 4: So The Bachelor was almost like your schoolies.
Speaker 1: You're like, I did have the schoolies with schools is
Speaker 1: pretty horrendous, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Did you guys go to school?
Speaker 3: Well, we actually didn't go to schoolies because I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's a good weekend to not be with a bunch
Speaker 3: of dickheads from school.
Speaker 1: That sounds terrible, but yeah, you made you made the
Speaker 1: right decision. I got a knife throat in my head
Speaker 1: at the school, so I feel like.
Speaker 4: God, I was like, you got to tell us, how
Speaker 4: did that? How did it come to that?
Speaker 1: So I didn't really When I was in high school,
Speaker 1: I didn't really drink or like do anything naughty because
Speaker 1: I was working all the time, so I don't really
Speaker 1: had this like party vibe. But then by school is
Speaker 1: obviously everyone's having everyone's getting drunk, and I was pretty sober,
Speaker 1: and all the boys in it that we were friends
Speaker 1: with were kind of a bit naughty, and they'd kind
Speaker 1: of started to try to do drugs and stuff, I think,
Speaker 1: And so this is where every time too ping it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, schools on.
Speaker 4: The Gold Coasters. Next level.
Speaker 3: We're from Adelaide and that school is at Victor Harbor,
Speaker 3: which is like an sort of tide.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, sorry, continue.
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't recommend any of it, let's be honest.
Speaker 1: But and then he, I know something. I didn't want
Speaker 1: him to do a bucket bong in our stink or something.
Speaker 1: I was like, could you not not do a bong
Speaker 1: in our stinks? And then he just threw a knife
Speaker 1: at me, and I was like, oh the lot. And
Speaker 1: then I I mean it was nowhere near me, like
Speaker 1: he was very fucked, and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm going to sleep.
Speaker 2: I know what, guys, you can leave it. I'm a
Speaker 2: good event. So Yesculis was like a zero out of ten.
Speaker 4: It almost sounds like good training for the Bachelor Mansion.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: If you yeah, I mean, I don't know was anyone
Speaker 3: throwing knives there or was it just insults everyone was throwing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'll send it a few bucket bongs, but.
Speaker 1: I don't think that. No, there was a Bachelor mansion. God, no,
Speaker 1: can you imagine?
Speaker 3: Well we did hear there was a rather controversial what
Speaker 3: would you call at a party going on in the villa.
Speaker 3: It was a vagina viewing party that did that happen.
Speaker 1: I was waiting for this one, and I'm so shocked
Speaker 1: because I am like this sex villain and no one's
Speaker 1: asking the vagina question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the hell. So, like, obviously you go a little.
Speaker 1: Bit crazy in the house, and when you're sitting in
Speaker 1: a house with twenty other women and you're like, you
Speaker 1: end up talking about vaginas. It's a big sleepover for
Speaker 1: three months, and I think we'd all had two glasses
Speaker 1: of wine because it only allowed two glasses of wine
Speaker 1: per night when you're really yeah, so like they keep
Speaker 1: everything really under control, but that means you are massive
Speaker 1: lightweight by there, like massive light weight.
Speaker 2: So we were all just a little.
Speaker 1: Bit drunk, and I think we were just talking about
Speaker 1: vaginas and we're like, with that majority you have, like
Speaker 1: we're in luck year ten. And then we were like,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's just show each other. And like
Speaker 1: the thing is, we'd all seen each other naked before
Speaker 1: because we share showers, we share bathrooms. But I think
Speaker 1: this was like a like a ceremony, like an initiation,
Speaker 1: and because the new girls have just.
Speaker 2: Come, so I think that was like our way of bonding.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it happens. It happened.
Speaker 1: It was funny, like I could draw everyone'sagina in woll.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, because that's so true that I
Speaker 3: do feel like when you get around girls.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it does always.
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but I've had conversations like that
Speaker 3: with friends. Because there was I saw this amazing docco
Speaker 3: and it was talking about how there's I think it's
Speaker 3: like ten different types of vaginas, which yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So it was what we made. We made the mind
Speaker 2: to get up like a little you know that diagramma.
Speaker 1: It's like twenty seven vaginas and I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: test Mainian Museum or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one.
Speaker 4: There's like the Wolf.
Speaker 3: There was like some really odd ones like the Wolf,
Speaker 3: and like, I just love the names they've come up
Speaker 3: with for them, like who picks that? I feel like
Speaker 3: a man's come up with the names because they're not
Speaker 3: really amazing.
Speaker 1: No woman is sitting around categorizing vaginas.
Speaker 2: Definitely man using something trendy.
Speaker 3: Talking about relations in relationships in the house, did it
Speaker 3: shock you when Bacco and Rachel came out in the
Speaker 3: press kissing. I love that you've gone from Vagina questions
Speaker 3: to asking me, was I was trying to segue into.
Speaker 1: That lesbian seg Yeah, So I mean I questioned the
Speaker 1: validity of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think that is legit as far as I
Speaker 1: know it could be.
Speaker 2: But I think, to be honest, a bit of gay baiting.
Speaker 2: Well with me, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Well when you see those photos of them come out
Speaker 3: and they're clearly sitting in the front of a restaurant kissing,
Speaker 3: I mean really, I mean they're not.
Speaker 4: Getting the yet no offense. They weren't. You know, there
Speaker 4: were no Abby's from the Bachelor.
Speaker 3: They weren't the standouts of the Bachelor's, so they're not
Speaker 3: going to be I don't think peraps are going to
Speaker 3: be following them around on the off chance they're kissing
Speaker 3: at a restaurant, to be honest.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, And like Sydney, Sydney is like crazy
Speaker 1: for perhaps like in Brisbane, I don't I have one
Speaker 1: that follows me. But like in Sydney, I literally was
Speaker 1: getting uber eachs and someone was taking photos of me
Speaker 1: and I had no shoes on.
Speaker 2: I saw that I was so hungover and I've been.
Speaker 1: Vomiting all morning and I was sitting outside with no
Speaker 1: shoes on in Pop's point, waiting for uber eats.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: But like, I think it's just it's just queer baiting,
Speaker 1: and I feel like it makes relationships the do come
Speaker 1: out of The Bachelor that are the same sex.
Speaker 2: It kind of like I legitimizes them.
Speaker 1: So I don't it makes you feel a bit icky.
Speaker 1: It could be legit. It could have been legit, but
Speaker 1: as far as I'm aware, I haven't. They even told
Speaker 1: me that it's not legit. But I don't think it is.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's interesting to hear that, because that was my
Speaker 4: exact thought.
Speaker 3: Well, in the past, we've seen women like Kira Maguire
Speaker 3: be so blatantly cast as the villain. So before the
Speaker 3: show air, did you have any inkling that you were
Speaker 3: going to be cast as this season's villain?
Speaker 2: No, like, no idea.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because they put they put Chelsea and
Speaker 1: I as the antithesis of each other.
Speaker 2: She is the angel and I am miss like devil whore,
Speaker 2: and Chelsea.
Speaker 1: And I were really really good friends and we were
Speaker 1: like I was by the end like ChEls Eleanor and
Speaker 1: I were like the closest by like top six. We
Speaker 1: were the ones who were the closest trio, And it's
Speaker 1: just it's really funny looking back because by the end,
Speaker 1: at the start, I had a really hard time with
Speaker 1: the girls in the house. But I thought my edit
Speaker 1: was going to be like this, like sook because I
Speaker 1: cried every single day. I cried every single interview, every
Speaker 1: single boxy Wow, I was like a mess.
Speaker 2: I like tried to leave so many times.
Speaker 1: I was like fuck this, Like I was so emotionally exhausted,
Speaker 1: and then this like weird, this villain edit was so
Speaker 1: it was so strange because obviously what Matt and I
Speaker 1: had from my perspective was legitimate, so it was upsetting.
Speaker 1: I think the hardest part was the omission of any
Speaker 1: actual conversation the Matten I had, because I would have
Speaker 1: liked for me to watch those conversations back, just me
Speaker 1: sitting there and being like I want to fuck you.
Speaker 2: Which happened.
Speaker 1: Obviously I wanted to fuck him, but like, there were
Speaker 1: other conversations we had about feminism and about indigenous suicide
Speaker 1: rates that aren't included.
Speaker 2: And then there's every conversation.
Speaker 1: I had with him is me like biting my lips
Speaker 1: because I have big lips to get dry in Sydney's winter,
Speaker 1: like Jesus cry so fake and I'm like, I have
Speaker 1: dry lips.
Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty unfair though, because I don't know if
Speaker 3: you heard, but Laura Byrne came out on her podcast
Speaker 3: and she said that she told Maddie Jay during her
Speaker 3: final date that she wanted to sit on her face
Speaker 3: his face, but this was never showed.
Speaker 4: How is that a fair edit?
Speaker 3: Are they wanting to portray the winner in this certain
Speaker 3: holier than now light?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that.
Speaker 1: I think that they had you know, I can't really
Speaker 1: say much from some of the contract, but I think
Speaker 1: they had a certain narrative they wanted to put me in.
Speaker 1: And that's fine. I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I can't change the edit. I know what actually happened,
Speaker 1: and the girls know what actually happened in the house
Speaker 1: and Matt knows, so in't really be too upset. I
Speaker 1: think what was more worrying wasn't really you know, like
Speaker 1: there's a TV show being made. You're aware of that
Speaker 1: going in, But it was like the reaction of the
Speaker 1: public and how vicious and brutal they got with me.
Speaker 1: And the thing is when you watch the When you
Speaker 1: watch the season back, my publicist said to me every week.
Speaker 1: He was like, you don't say anything negative to anyone
Speaker 1: or about anyone ever if you watch it back. The
Speaker 1: only thing I ever said it was negative was when
Speaker 1: I called Ellie disgusting because she had to get about.
Speaker 2: Me behind my back, and I was like, I was angry,
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. That was an hour after it happened.
Speaker 2: I was angry. But other than that, I was always
Speaker 2: the one being gained up on.
Speaker 1: I was always one being basically essentially bullied in that house.
Speaker 1: And then to watch it back and have different music
Speaker 1: could over. When I slip a glass of wine. Then
Speaker 1: ever like, wow, she is a bit because I slip
Speaker 1: a glass of wine and effects. It's crazy. It's crazy
Speaker 1: that how people's perceptions are changed.
Speaker 2: And sorry, I'm going on ten.
Speaker 4: But no, it's so interesting.
Speaker 2: From one week to another. I noticed that my music change.
Speaker 1: So from my Top five dates to hometowns, my music
Speaker 1: changed from Snake Snake, Snake, Snake Snake to I got
Speaker 1: kind of whitey music at hometowns because my family were
Speaker 1: great for the hometown was great.
Speaker 2: And on episode on the Top five.
Speaker 1: Day episode, I was getting like death threats abused, and
Speaker 1: then the next day when it was hometowns, I was
Speaker 1: literally getting people being like, you know, you aren't that bad. Actually,
Speaker 1: I've not changed anything about the way I speak or
Speaker 1: anything about what I do.
Speaker 2: It's purely just this music.
Speaker 1: People are really easily manipulated by sound effects, which I
Speaker 1: didn't realize.
Speaker 4: Do you know what shocks me? Every year?
Speaker 3: Because when I sit down and watch The Bachelor and
Speaker 3: The Bachelorette, I almost feel like in most households, it's
Speaker 3: almost a sport to watch the show.
Speaker 4: You know, you don't take.
Speaker 3: It too seriously. I personally know that everything's been edited
Speaker 3: and it hasn't anybody seen. Unreal like the people that
Speaker 3: are sending you hate comments and death threats. I feel
Speaker 3: like saying, you know, it's all a load of shit,
Speaker 3: don't you This is just purely for our entertainment. How
Speaker 3: are we living in a society where people are thinking
Speaker 3: how low do you go to go and actually contact
Speaker 3: someone and say these hate field like I can't even imagine.
Speaker 3: You know, you've come home heartbroken, obviously people don't know
Speaker 3: that at the time, but then you're copying.
Speaker 4: All these awful hate field messages.
Speaker 3: What do you think was there a point where there
Speaker 3: was just one that kind of that you remember really well?
Speaker 4: Or I mean, have you received so many that were
Speaker 4: just awful?
Speaker 2: So we actually have a Google Drive folder with all
Speaker 2: of them in it. Oh wow, that my what all
Speaker 2: of them? The ones?
Speaker 1: About halfway through, my really good friend took control of
Speaker 1: my Instagram and she I was like, if you find
Speaker 1: any really bad ones, just screenshot them and put them
Speaker 1: in a drop box so that I can use them
Speaker 1: for something later on, because I can't handle them right now,
Speaker 1: but I will use them later on to like do
Speaker 1: without a bullying because I was getting so many a day,
Speaker 1: and it got to a point where she was like,
Speaker 1: you have to delete your app and I would just
Speaker 1: upload your photo for tonight's Coltil party because she's like,
Speaker 1: you cannot you cannot open your app, Like she was like,
Speaker 1: this is insane. But there was one that was like
Speaker 1: one of the first really really bad ones, really early on,
Speaker 1: and it was after I'd told Matt about Monique calling
Speaker 1: him a dog C word and someone was like, how
Speaker 1: does it feel to embarrass yourself for National TV? You
Speaker 1: fucking slut or something, And then at the end it
Speaker 1: was like never come to Melbourne or I'll fucking knock
Speaker 1: you out.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and like that was one of the
Speaker 2: first violent ones that I got.
Speaker 1: And I was at my desk and my boss, like,
Speaker 1: I was crying every day during airing, so I was
Speaker 1: getting I would turn my phone over and I turn
Speaker 1: it back over five minutes later, and I would have
Speaker 1: like fifty five dms abusing me, all like comments, all
Speaker 1: like and then on top of that, my friends are
Speaker 1: trying to support me, so I'd be like, I'd have
Speaker 1: like one hundred and seventy texts and I'd have like
Speaker 1: all these abusive dms.
Speaker 2: I couldn't keep up.
Speaker 1: So I was crying all day every day, and my
Speaker 1: boss had just taken me for coffee in the morning
Speaker 1: and he's so lovely and he was like, if anything,
Speaker 1: just like we can have a coffee and you can cry,
Speaker 1: and he'd written a little post note on my desk
Speaker 1: saying smile.
Speaker 2: Smile, that's so sweet. But when I got he's so lovely,
Speaker 2: and when I.
Speaker 1: Got that text and looked at him because he sits
Speaker 1: next to me at a sobbing and he was like
Speaker 1: the fuck he was like, I was trying every day,
Speaker 1: so that was one that kind of stood out. But
Speaker 1: they did get worse than that, but that one was
Speaker 1: the first one that someone kind of threatened physical violence.
Speaker 3: Did the age of some of the people that were
Speaker 3: sending you messages surprised because I know there's sometimes a
Speaker 3: twelve or thirteen year old girl sending death threat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they were actually quite a few.
Speaker 1: The girls looked about nine or ten, literally like children.
Speaker 1: And I would try to reply to those and I
Speaker 1: would kind of just be like, Hey, this hasn't upset me,
Speaker 1: but maybe you should just like think about being nicer
Speaker 1: to people because I'm an actual person. Like, I think
Speaker 1: they didn't understand that it wasn't Channel ten's account, it's
Speaker 1: my private account. People don't get that, and they would
Speaker 1: often just supply and.
Speaker 2: Be like, oh, I'm really sorry. Like I think I
Speaker 2: just wanted attention and I just wanted someone to talk
Speaker 2: to them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is shocking and it's quite upsetting, but
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's just learned behavior. I think
Speaker 1: they see comments on my posts and they think it's
Speaker 1: okay and then they DM me. And what I found
Speaker 1: as well, which is really interesting, was I would turn
Speaker 1: off comments or limit comments to people who I follow,
Speaker 1: and when I did that, like, I would try and
Speaker 1: do that to kind of protect myself from all the comments.
Speaker 1: And then when I did that, people would DM me
Speaker 1: things that were like ten times as bad because it
Speaker 1: was in private in their heads, paragraphs and paragraphs about
Speaker 1: what they're going to do to me, about how much
Speaker 1: I don't deserve love and how much I don't care
Speaker 1: about mat and meanwhile, I'm crying myself to sleep about
Speaker 1: this guy that I'm still in love with.
Speaker 2: Now that I'm past it, it's.
Speaker 1: Good to look back and kind of think about patterns
Speaker 1: and human behavior that I noticed.
Speaker 3: Does Channel ten have any support program in place that
Speaker 3: hel helps you guys deal with that? Because I can
Speaker 3: imagine you're, you know, twenty three at the time and
Speaker 3: dealing with something like this. It just seems absurd that
Speaker 3: you guys have to go through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we have a psychologist that we can call
Speaker 1: or text at any time.
Speaker 2: She's really good. I really liked her and she helped
Speaker 2: me a lot.
Speaker 1: They also of feel like, if you want to see
Speaker 1: someone in person, they'll pay for it. Cannel tend are
Speaker 1: really good because they obviously understand the severity of all
Speaker 1: of this even girls that Eleanor had had one one
Speaker 1: day after Hometowns that was her getting abused and she
Speaker 1: had a really hard time, Like everyone cops it to
Speaker 1: some degree. So yeah, we have support, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think from my perspective, talking about it didn't
Speaker 1: really help because once I got off the phone, I
Speaker 1: would have one hundred more notifications.
Speaker 2: You can't escape it.
Speaker 3: It just reminded me because there's been so much talk
Speaker 3: about the mental health of reality television contestants and how
Speaker 3: some of the contestants on Love Island in the UK
Speaker 3: have sadly committed suicide after the treatment from I spoke,
Speaker 3: fans of The Bachelor you've received, does it surprise you
Speaker 3: that there does seem to be this staggering amount of
Speaker 3: reality television people who are taking their own lights.
Speaker 2: No good at all.
Speaker 1: The weeknd before finale, I was having suicidal thoughts. I
Speaker 1: have a pre existing like anxiety disorder and depression that
Speaker 1: I kind of gotten through before I went in the show,
Speaker 1: and obviously I wouldn't go on if that was still
Speaker 1: like clearing up and I got back to a place.
Speaker 1: Like the weekend before FINALI I didn't leave my bed
Speaker 1: and I was like, I think I'm miskin to kill myself,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to do my interviews, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do anything.
Speaker 2: Everyone's just gonna hate me. And I turned my phone.
Speaker 1: Off and then I turn it back on and I
Speaker 1: have all more dms, and then I had and then
Speaker 1: you also have the pressure for your friends and your
Speaker 1: family of needing to apply to them because they're trying
Speaker 1: to make you feel better, and like all you want
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: Is just like hid.
Speaker 1: So no, it doesn't shock me at all. I had
Speaker 1: one friend who was in the phone chief for like
Speaker 1: three hours, and I was just like, I like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to kill myself. Like it was, it was really
Speaker 1: really bad, but I guess I've bounced back now.
Speaker 2: It was weird.
Speaker 1: I got really bad really quickly and then got really
Speaker 1: okay really quickly.
Speaker 3: As well. Do you think there needs to be something
Speaker 3: done to protect people that are on reality television? Because
Speaker 3: I mean, I can totally see why you would have
Speaker 3: felt like that. I mean, so it's so silly, because
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you a bit about the
Speaker 3: Daily Mail because today you posted an amazing another amazing
Speaker 3: Instagram calling out the comments. No, well, a bloody good
Speaker 3: rant that needs to be said. I mean, SOF and I.
Speaker 3: We've had a few articles written about us, and these
Speaker 3: are very small articles, and you go to the comments
Speaker 3: and everyone's horrendous, and like you think, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I can totally imagine getting mass comments telling you shit,
Speaker 3: because suddenly you're going to think, oh, well are they
Speaker 3: Maybe they're telling the truth, especially when I feel like
Speaker 3: you can't escape when it's on your phone where you
Speaker 3: can't even turn your phone off.
Speaker 1: Well, just just on the point of like believing what
Speaker 1: people are saying. When everyone was saying that I was manipulative,
Speaker 1: which is such a weird. It's a weird thing to
Speaker 1: say about someone because once you say someone's manipulative or fake,
Speaker 1: you can't do anything to prove them otherwise, Like you
Speaker 1: literally cannot if someone says you're fake, everything that is
Speaker 1: taken as being fake, Like I still have comments when
Speaker 1: I open up about my abortion, people were damning me
Speaker 1: being you said this for attention, you fake bitch, And
Speaker 1: it's like, no, no, no, I've not, like, like why
Speaker 1: would I do that for attention? Like that's not at all.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to help women because I'm a strong feminist,
Speaker 1: but when I was having suicidal thoughts, I was like, fuck,
Speaker 1: am I mentally? I was like, am I mentally ill?
Speaker 1: Do I not even see that I'm manipulating people?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I literally was calling my best friends being like, do
Speaker 1: you hate me? Am I this unlikable? And people would
Speaker 1: dam me and be like, how do you? I'm sure
Speaker 1: you have no friends? So I was like one of
Speaker 1: my best friends crying, being like, do you want to
Speaker 1: not be my friend anymore?
Speaker 2: Am I this horrible person? Like? Am I manipulative? Am I?
Speaker 1: Like all these thoughts that everyone's saying to you? And
Speaker 1: when you have people were saying you're fake, You're a bit,
Speaker 1: you're dumb, you're fat, you're ugly, your your snake, you
Speaker 1: can snake emoji?
Speaker 2: You never want to see it again? You just you
Speaker 2: do believe it.
Speaker 3: I just say, you are absolutely gorgeous. You are none
Speaker 3: of those things that they're saying. It makes me so
Speaker 3: sad for you to think that for a second, because
Speaker 3: it's just a lot of the time it's.
Speaker 4: A bunch of very jealous girls online.
Speaker 3: Do you know what sofa My motto is always we
Speaker 3: love Taylor Swift. She's like, oh God, and we always
Speaker 3: say if Taylor Swift cops comments online people, Taylor Swift,
Speaker 3: you know, there's obviously something wrong with people, and anyone's
Speaker 3: gonna cop criticism over something.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's me Miley. And I'm like, Miley's
Speaker 1: my literal queen, similar you I can tell and like
Speaker 1: she does anything and everyone hates her and I'm like,
Speaker 1: she's intelligent, gorgeous, talented, has it has it charity that
Speaker 1: she runs rescues dogs.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Miley is my queen. So people Miley for
Speaker 2: doing anything.
Speaker 1: Miley breathes, and I'm like it was kind of like
Speaker 1: a joke that I would say to people, being like,
Speaker 1: if she can get through bankers, I can get through this.
Speaker 1: But everyone cops, everyone cops, ship like everyone, And like
Speaker 1: when Taylor Swoopers had all those snakes emojis, what does
Speaker 1: she even do?
Speaker 3: She yeah, she had was a West controversy.
Speaker 2: Like that, that overwhelming action that she got. I actually
Speaker 2: thought of that as well during my During my time, I.
Speaker 1: Was like, I'm Taylor Switch, I'm being persecuted.
Speaker 4: But you know what some people are. I know some
Speaker 4: people are like, oh well, just don't read the comments.
Speaker 3: It's like, how are you not going to read comments
Speaker 3: when everybody is talking about you, It's it's human nature.
Speaker 1: People are like, I just ignore it, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is my personal Instagram, Like you realize that, Like
Speaker 1: you realize that I talked to my friends mostly through DM,
Speaker 1: so if I'm gonna talk to my also, people like,
Speaker 1: just delete Instagram. And it's like, why should I have
Speaker 1: to delete my Instagram to avoid getting abused online?
Speaker 2: Like why don't we just say maybe everything's just stop
Speaker 2: bullying her? Exactly?
Speaker 4: Exactly?
Speaker 1: To avoid social media is an integral part of all
Speaker 1: of our life. To leap Facebook to lead Instagram, don't
Speaker 1: go on it, And I'm like, what and just sit
Speaker 1: here and wonder what everyone's saying about me?
Speaker 2: Either way? Either way you fucked. Oh basically, well.
Speaker 3: Just back to your Instagram post today. As I said,
Speaker 3: I bloody loved it. I fucking hate that. I mean,
Speaker 3: I love and I hate the Daily Mail comments because
Speaker 3: I do have a sneaky read of the comments from
Speaker 3: now and then. But I feel like those people that
Speaker 3: write those horrendous comments are just the scum of the earth.
Speaker 3: Who write those comments, it must be the saddest people
Speaker 3: what prompted you to call them out?
Speaker 1: So the person Todd was in those photos of me
Speaker 1: and we aren't dating.
Speaker 2: Everyone care I'm calm down.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like they're getting married, they're engaged, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: we just passion a couple of dates.
Speaker 2: He's very hot, leave me alone.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, not only Pash, but I saw
Speaker 3: you had a fish and chips.
Speaker 4: And a can of aso. Yeah, very specific, are they?
Speaker 2: Todds. The gentleman fed me some chips, like I must.
Speaker 3: Say, I must say I love a good casto, so
Speaker 3: I rate your tools there.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you posito with chips and
Speaker 1: extra chicken salt.
Speaker 4: What an amazing date compared to those.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd rather have hot chips and a date
Speaker 3: with Todd than some of those dates that were on
Speaker 3: The Bachelor.
Speaker 2: Come on, absolutely, it was a great time.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so he said he sent the link and
Speaker 1: he was like, don't oh, he was, I don't read
Speaker 1: the comments on this, but like, isn't this funny?
Speaker 2: Like well, and I was like, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And then when someone says you don't read the I
Speaker 1: would never read the comments anyway. But the fact that
Speaker 1: he was like, don't read the comments, like he was
Speaker 1: just trying to protect me obviously and feeling shit.
Speaker 4: It's like a rab to a bull, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to read the comments obviously idiot,
Speaker 1: and then I read through them, but I was so
Speaker 1: angry and it wasn't even about like me, because like
Speaker 1: I'm a size eight, like I don't have obviously, I
Speaker 1: have days where I'm like, oh I feel grossed, or
Speaker 1: like I don't feel amazing, but like I've kind of
Speaker 1: gotten over my like deep rooted issues.
Speaker 2: In my body.
Speaker 1: But me angry thinking about other women reading that who
Speaker 1: don't slight their body, whether they're the same size as me,
Speaker 1: bigger or smaller, and thinking that's how the world.
Speaker 2: Perceives me and in turn perceives them worse, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense. But if I'm the how do I say this?
Speaker 1: Like, if I'm like the bar of like an average body,
Speaker 1: if people are thinner than me, or heavier than me,
Speaker 1: or have bigger boobs of me or small mobs of me,
Speaker 1: and people are saying things about my boobs at me
Speaker 1: being like fat, about how I say that?
Speaker 2: How I'm do you know a better body at twenty four?
Speaker 2: What do they mean? People are gonna feel worse about themselves.
Speaker 1: And that's why I was so angry, because I was
Speaker 1: just like, how can you write these things down? And
Speaker 1: they are gonna be young girls who read through this
Speaker 1: shit and think, well, if Abby from the Bachelor who
Speaker 1: came second is ugly and fat, then what am.
Speaker 4: I regards exactly exactly?
Speaker 1: So I think when we're I'm like someone who is
Speaker 1: like herald as this like beautiful like person on the batch,
Speaker 1: like all the girls are on the Bachelor. If people
Speaker 1: are saying they're ugly and fat, what what room.
Speaker 2: Is there to go? Like? Where do you go from there?
Speaker 2: So'd be angry.
Speaker 3: It made me, Oh my gosh. I read the comments
Speaker 3: and I was like, what the apisode to swear? But
Speaker 3: what the actual fuck? Like are these people cooked? I
Speaker 3: was like, this is so ridiculous. As you said, you're
Speaker 3: a size eight, which people would aspire to be, You've
Speaker 3: got an amazing body.
Speaker 4: I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 3: The people taking the photos, they're trying to take bad
Speaker 3: photos of everybody at the beach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they're not going.
Speaker 3: To be posting the most flattering You looked amazing anyway,
Speaker 3: but do you know what I mean? Like, that's what
Speaker 3: annoysy about the Daily Mail. They post these articles and
Speaker 3: they say these nice things like oh look at this
Speaker 3: stunner out on the beach. But then they'll sometimes post
Speaker 3: photos where you're not looking your best to incite the hate,
Speaker 3: hateful comments like do you find that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, from stuff you've read.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's definitely to provoke people.
Speaker 1: And like the thing like you can see ribs in
Speaker 1: one of those photos. I have my arms ribs, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's like I'm size eight but even if I
Speaker 1: was a size eighteen or a size two, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't comment on someone's body in this derogatory way.
Speaker 2: And I think people as well.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that I got this villain edit
Speaker 1: people want to hate me and want to Isn't she
Speaker 1: disgusting as well as mean and manipulative? But it's like
Speaker 1: I'm missing a little chick, like I'm miss the beach
Speaker 1: with a friend on a date, wanting to know someone.
Speaker 1: I don't understand what people saying that I should have
Speaker 1: worn a full piece.
Speaker 2: Why who am I offending?
Speaker 3: I remember Georgia Love got a lot of that criticism
Speaker 3: as well, and it's just absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 4: She's a size eight as well. I feel like.
Speaker 3: Saying, though, have you been baby shopping? It's pretty hard
Speaker 3: to get anything that covers anything these days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like those bikinis, like, yeah, they are like.
Speaker 2: Everyone likes you of the bikinis.
Speaker 1: I would burn those bikinis, but I'm glad that you
Speaker 1: would earn those bikinis, Like maybe without without my fake
Speaker 1: tan on.
Speaker 2: The color was a bit off on my skin, looking
Speaker 2: like sea foam. That is a bikini salt. It's my
Speaker 2: bob being raised.
Speaker 3: It's probably fifty year old men that don't even get
Speaker 3: that they're fashionable bikinis.
Speaker 4: They're probably like, ah, why don't they why they got
Speaker 4: the one piece? Aren't that far out? It's just absolute creshns.
Speaker 3: Not only if you copped bullying from outside sources, but
Speaker 3: obviously you copped it very much in the house. Just
Speaker 3: going back to some of the girls in the mansion,
Speaker 3: why do you think they had a problem with you?
Speaker 3: Was it from day dot or well, did they have
Speaker 3: a problem with you or was it just editing?
Speaker 2: No, there was definitely there was.
Speaker 1: It was mainly I mean, I don't like to name people,
Speaker 1: but it was mainly the people who thought would have
Speaker 1: been bad, were that and worse in the mansion, but
Speaker 1: once it was top after Hometowns, it was much better.
Speaker 1: But even before Hometown's and Top six, they had Eleanor
Speaker 1: and Chelsea, who I was really close with, and I
Speaker 1: always had a friend in the mansion. Some people have
Speaker 1: been like, what do you mean you had no friends?
Speaker 1: Like we saw you being friend with Chelsea, and it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you can still be bullied and
Speaker 1: have a house of ten girls who really dislike you
Speaker 1: even look at you. And then if you have two friends,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you aren't getting bullied. That means you
Speaker 1: have sympathy friends who are nice people, like a loser
Speaker 1: on the back porch having tea with you because you're
Speaker 1: crying all day, Like, oh my.
Speaker 3: God, this sounds like Sophie and my high school experience.
Speaker 3: I know exactly what it's like. Yeah, you can be
Speaker 3: hated and then have your bestie, but you cry too.
Speaker 3: I felt like many of the girls criticized you, saying
Speaker 3: that you were just there to grow your Instagram following,
Speaker 3: which isn't everyone. But anyway, do you find it quite
Speaker 3: ironic that it's Ellie who's now started her own YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I quite like Ellie, but the fact
Speaker 1: that she's she was the first one with the blue tick.
Speaker 2: She was the first one to make a YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: She is doing like a boost sponsorship or something like
Speaker 1: a I don't.
Speaker 2: Know which is fine. All these things are fine, Like that's.
Speaker 1: Great, earn money through social media, go for a babe,
Speaker 1: But why would you say that I was there for
Speaker 1: social media fame and then that's the first thing that
Speaker 1: you do. And her Instagram as well before going on
Speaker 1: the show, was much more like curated than mine. Like
Speaker 1: if you go back and look, if that makes sense,
Speaker 1: Like it's all like her grid is all the same
Speaker 1: and it's always saying those like insta.
Speaker 2: Filters and all that stuff, and that's fine. We all
Speaker 2: have a filter pack. But like, don't excuse me of
Speaker 2: being there.
Speaker 1: And also I never mentioned Instagram once in the strap.
Speaker 1: This is what baffles me as well. I never spoke
Speaker 1: about Instagram.
Speaker 2: If anything.
Speaker 1: Chelsea and I were like, fuck, it's going to really
Speaker 1: damage our careers with in the predominantly male dominated industries
Speaker 1: like Chelsea and science and me in property will get
Speaker 1: so much shit if we start doing sponsored posts like
Speaker 1: that was we were like.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's going to be so like it's like a
Speaker 2: negative thing.
Speaker 1: And her other thing was that I was there for
Speaker 1: Bachelor in.
Speaker 2: Paradise, which I mean, everyone.
Speaker 1: Who doesn't win is going to get most likely off
Speaker 1: of Bachelor.
Speaker 2: That's hound that's where they get their cast from.
Speaker 3: I'd love to see on Bachelor in Paradise, but I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm more invested now in your relationship with.
Speaker 1: Todd and I'm like, everyone calm down, and I'm feeling
Speaker 1: he's pressurant right now.
Speaker 2: But but like that that's fine.
Speaker 1: But the reason why she said that was because my
Speaker 1: comments around the house would always be I don't you
Speaker 1: didn't really have to see this on the show, but
Speaker 1: like I have a very like my COVID mechanism is
Speaker 1: always humor, like always, and.
Speaker 2: Whenever i'd be up at Matt or like other girls.
Speaker 1: Would be upset about Matt or like being like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just so fuckd like we've had two months in
Speaker 1: here without any like joy.
Speaker 2: I would be I would.
Speaker 1: Always say, girls, there is always bit and like as
Speaker 1: like my joke like guys's always bip, don't worry like
Speaker 1: obviously kidding, I'm like in love with this man. Crime
Speaker 1: every night, guys, there's always someone in Paradise, like maybe
Speaker 1: someone could date Bill and like ruin their life, like.
Speaker 4: Made him at the dog park or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that kind of banter.
Speaker 1: And in the house there was also always a joke
Speaker 1: where it was like, oh, there's always Todd because like
Speaker 1: he is the only normal one, which is funny now,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, like that kind of like, oh, girls,
Speaker 1: come on because everyone's sitting around fucking cry. And then
Speaker 1: that turned into Abbes and The Heath Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what the show was, what BIT
Speaker 1: was when I went on there. I truly didn't know it.
Speaker 1: I literally someone told me someone mentioned BIT and I
Speaker 1: was like what. I was like crying of laughter, being
Speaker 1: like what the fuck is BIT?
Speaker 2: And I was like what is that? Because I hadn't
Speaker 2: seen a full episode of The Bachelor. I only watched
Speaker 2: like punky recaps.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, like I ever like she came on
Speaker 1: here for fame and to be on the back, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I hadn't watched.
Speaker 2: I don't have a TV. I don't have a fucking TV.
Speaker 1: Like I got one recently, But like before I went on,
Speaker 1: I didn't I watch was Netflix, like and Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was in Australia, and our minders
Speaker 1: worked Bachelor in Paradise as well, So I would ask
Speaker 1: him being like, can someone explain the concept to me?
Speaker 1: And I would ask about it all the time because
Speaker 1: my brain couldn't comprehend the Rose situation and like.
Speaker 2: The five come in before go, so I would talk
Speaker 2: about it all the time. Like Eleenor was like, you
Speaker 2: do bang on.
Speaker 1: About it, but it's because you're so confusing your brain
Speaker 1: cut so I wrap around the consetu of the show.
Speaker 1: So like I think in that environment, everyone takes little
Speaker 1: comments and when you're there, like you're trying to find
Speaker 1: reasons why Matt wouldn't love that person because you're so
Speaker 1: your self esteem is so low when you're in there
Speaker 1: that you're like, I need to find reasons why he.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't like Eleanor or why he wouldn't like Abby. And
Speaker 2: if I'm talking about people all the time, they're going
Speaker 2: to go, well, that's why he shouldn't be with her.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's the reason why because she is too young, she
Speaker 1: is abso having kids and she has uttered the words
Speaker 1: a bit more than four times in the mirror, and
Speaker 1: I has appeared.
Speaker 2: That's aually, that's sutually what it.
Speaker 4: Is and just a change of pace.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, you you mentioned the abortion,
Speaker 3: the abortion comments that you made, which was so brave
Speaker 3: you and I think, well, good on you for coming
Speaker 3: out and telling your story. Can you tell us a
Speaker 3: little bit about the reaction, because I mean, I've seen
Speaker 3: lots of positive comments, but as we were talking, I'm
Speaker 3: sure there's many negative because of what are you living
Speaker 3: in a negative world? But yeah, what has been the
Speaker 3: main reaction to your story?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's been great. It's actually been amazing. Ever since.
Speaker 1: That's like two weeks, I've got mainly this positive great
Speaker 1: DMS and after I told my abortion story, I'm shameless,
Speaker 1: I've gotten so many young women and also middle Asiamen
Speaker 1: messaged me with their like abortion story and telling me
Speaker 1: about like how much I've helped them accept it and
Speaker 1: not feel as guilty.
Speaker 2: And I've like.
Speaker 1: Cried in a few messages. So that it's been quite nice.
Speaker 1: Everyone's been really supportive. The only one that was even
Speaker 1: like close to negative was some Christian person DM me
Speaker 1: saying why did you like kill one of God's children,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't.
Speaker 2: Believe in God. Like I was just like, I mean like,
Speaker 2: I'm just like it wasn't really mean and it was
Speaker 2: just them with their beliefs. So yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's actually been really really positive. I'm sure
Speaker 1: there were some negative comments on daily mails somewhere, but
Speaker 1: naturally not gonna looking for those bad boys.
Speaker 4: Oh well, good on you. That's that's that's what I
Speaker 4: love about.
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, the producers portrayed you or
Speaker 3: the editing portrayed you in one way, but I feel
Speaker 3: like you've been so good and you've come out and
Speaker 3: you've shown us who you really are through your social
Speaker 3: media account. Has that been sort of not an orchestrated move,
Speaker 3: but has that been something that you've been wanting to
Speaker 3: do to.
Speaker 4: Reveal your true self? I suppose after the way you
Speaker 4: were portrayed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that first post that I made about
Speaker 1: such shaming, I was like kind of like thinking about
Speaker 1: it in the tail end of the show, just because
Speaker 1: I was so frustrated because obviously we can't respond to
Speaker 1: anything or it's airing, so we can't have any say.
Speaker 2: So that was kind of like pre planned.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I just tend to go on
Speaker 1: these rants on Instagram anyway, because I'm a very opinionated
Speaker 1: feminist and I usually would make rants about I guess,
Speaker 1: other current affairs or other things that are happening in
Speaker 1: the world. But now I guess I just have a
Speaker 1: little bit more passion because it's about me. It's about
Speaker 1: my life, and I can have like an educated, I
Speaker 1: guess opinion on it, and I can say my piece
Speaker 1: and be able to say it full well that I
Speaker 1: have all.
Speaker 2: The facts because I was there or like I am me.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it hasn't really been orchestrated, but I think
Speaker 1: it's just a continuation of my Instagram anyway, like what
Speaker 1: I like anyway, because.
Speaker 2: That's just what I'm like. Like I said, like, and
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 1: Multiple conversations about feminism and about abortion when I taught them,
Speaker 1: about my abortion and about my instruggles with mental health
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So I wish that side kind
Speaker 1: of got to be shown on the show of me
Speaker 1: having even one intelligent conversation with anyone.
Speaker 2: But I guess it's lucky that I can show it.
Speaker 3: Ble now, for sure, I was gonna say here's your chance.
Speaker 3: Sof and I love nothing more than talking about the
Speaker 3: me too movement?
Speaker 4: What are you? What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: So, I mean I am super into me too movement.
Speaker 2: Obviously, I'm a I'm a I'm a very good feminist.
Speaker 2: I'm a good girl. But I feel like when it
Speaker 2: came to be a zisan sorry story.
Speaker 1: Thoughts for things and emotions or that I was really
Speaker 1: taught and that was the point where I stopped looking at.
Speaker 2: Me two things. Am I a bad person? No?
Speaker 3: I think it's become It's become overwhelming now, hasn't it.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously Weinstein stuff came out and everyone was invested,
Speaker 3: but there's so much talk about, yeah, some the validity
Speaker 3: of some stories, which it pisces me off that it's questioned.
Speaker 3: But I can see why some people do go, oh, well,
Speaker 3: is this just an issue of destroying reputations for revenge
Speaker 3: and that kind of thing? But I think most of
Speaker 3: the time, when women come out and stand up for themselves,
Speaker 3: it's a legitimate for a legitimate reason.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And I think as well.
Speaker 1: I kind of had a moving through life assuming and
Speaker 1: this is a really weird and I kind of realized
Speaker 1: that when the media movement started, and my friends and
Speaker 1: I all agreed, where it's like, I just assume that everyone's.
Speaker 2: Been sexually assaulted, truly, truly, like.
Speaker 1: All everyone that I know has been between groped in
Speaker 1: a pub and raped, which is a horrible thing to
Speaker 1: say out loud, but I think I just believe every story,
Speaker 1: and there's hes some sorry thing confused me because I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I there was such an aggressive reaction
Speaker 1: from men about it, yeah, and I think maybe he's
Speaker 1: some sorry it's like a socially awkward dude who truly
Speaker 1: didn't get it, and his apology I think was substantial
Speaker 1: enough to be like, maybe he just didn't get it.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, it's like, well, I think
Speaker 1: most women have been that situation where it's like someone's
Speaker 1: taking things too far and you can't stop it, and
Speaker 1: then you kind of blame yourself for not stopping it,
Speaker 1: and it's like, where is the line between it being
Speaker 1: or it's sexual asault either way? But I guess like
Speaker 1: blatant sexual black and white assault where it's like this
Speaker 1: person was right, this person was wrong, and then there's
Speaker 1: this gray area and I just I get overwhelmed with it,
Speaker 1: I get really overwhelmed and I get really guilty and sick.
Speaker 1: And I that's why I take back from it, because
Speaker 1: I was just like, I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't do this anymore. I have the mental capacity anymore.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: It is hard because there's so much we have to
Speaker 3: care about these days. I mean, you got to care
Speaker 3: about well, I do care about the metom movement, but
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like plastic straws, all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff that just seems to me so much
Speaker 3: that we have energy that we have to put in
Speaker 3: these things.
Speaker 1: I know, well, I uploaded a video the other day
Speaker 1: of me drinking, like I'm I had my metal straw
Speaker 1: with me at all times. But I went to a
Speaker 1: cafe at like a surf club and they gave me
Speaker 1: a milkshake with a plastic straw in it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh fuck, I forgot to say
Speaker 2: no straw.
Speaker 1: And I was drinking throughout my story and I got
Speaker 1: like twenty dms being like how dare you?
Speaker 2: And I was like, like.
Speaker 4: You throw it out, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 4: not use.
Speaker 1: It, and like I'm not a fan of a plastic
Speaker 1: straw and like I will always see rubbish if it's
Speaker 1: on the side of the street to pick it up.
Speaker 1: But like people, we do have to care so much
Speaker 1: about certain things, and it's like, why are we caring
Speaker 1: about plastic straws so much? Is that like the cool
Speaker 1: thing of the moment. Why aren't we petitioning the amount
Speaker 1: of plastic waste in a cold when you're when you're working.
Speaker 4: For I had that conversation yesterday with a friend. It's
Speaker 4: just ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I saw this Halloween lollies and every lolly was individually
Speaker 3: wrapped in plastics, Like, surely this is well doys, No,
Speaker 3: it's so the kids know it's safety. But I was
Speaker 3: gonna say, because I don't want to hold you up
Speaker 3: too much. But lastly, we have to ask you. I
Speaker 3: know we've touched on Todd, and we've touched on your
Speaker 3: casito date with your fish and chips, but how is
Speaker 3: it all going? No pressure or anything from the Bachelor's community.
Speaker 1: But you know, he's great, like he I've said this before,
Speaker 1: but he is like everyone's like he's so amazing on
Speaker 1: TV and he's like that, but so much better because
Speaker 1: he's funny, Like he's really funny, and he's great. When
Speaker 1: he was here we had a really good time, but
Speaker 1: he lives in Perth and I'm certainly not relocating to
Speaker 1: Perth anytime soon. He's not moving to Brisbane anytime soon.
Speaker 1: So we've just kind of been like, I mean, if
Speaker 1: we're both in the same city, will hang out, but
Speaker 1: and we talk a fair bit, but we just sort
Speaker 1: of there's not really I think there's a point trying
Speaker 1: to establish a relationship starting off for long distance, and
Speaker 1: then that's really hard, and especially with all all the
Speaker 1: stucking right now in my life, it's just a bit much.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of a do you want me to give.
Speaker 4: You some hope?
Speaker 3: Because my boyfriend and I we started dating and then
Speaker 3: he moved, like I'm in Adelaide and he moved to
Speaker 3: Sydney and we were I think he was he was
Speaker 3: there for over a year and now he's back in Adelaide.
Speaker 3: So and we're still together. So there is hopeimes a
Speaker 3: long distance relationship.
Speaker 1: But I want to do so Yeah, I just feel
Speaker 1: like I also it's weird having all this extra pressure.
Speaker 2: Like there's been what photos of two dates we've had.
Speaker 2: They were actually on the I think that was like
Speaker 2: the same day, Like we had a weekend together, went
Speaker 2: to the beach both days.
Speaker 1: And it's funny now everyone there's always extra pressure that
Speaker 1: we both. It's kind of like imagine wing to the
Speaker 1: guy and everyone's like it. Boyfriends like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I like, I like, but like like when we're not
Speaker 1: about stage all. I don't think we're going to be
Speaker 1: about stage anytime soon. I mean, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: fly six hours maybe for a when some chips got
Speaker 1: like way sorry sitting.
Speaker 3: Though, And I'd like to finish on a question about you.
Speaker 3: What are we expecting to see from you in the
Speaker 3: next six months or so? Are you going to stay
Speaker 3: in this job you're in at the moment or should
Speaker 3: we be expecting something else?
Speaker 1: So I've started writing for women on my win news
Speaker 1: dot com. So I'm doing that a little bit. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get into I need to.
Speaker 2: I think I need to, honestly out of property. But
Speaker 2: I think I might.
Speaker 1: I have done like one year of a psychology degree,
Speaker 1: so I think I might try and finish start finishing
Speaker 1: that next year and maybe to fill my dream of
Speaker 1: becoming a sexologist. I've been in contact with doctor Nicky,
Speaker 1: who was on that episode. Yeah, and because on that episode,
Speaker 1: like that was kind of used like a punchline as well,
Speaker 1: that comment like that's a true like thing that I want.
Speaker 2: To become, like not just with sex, with like gender.
Speaker 1: Binaries and like sexuality like and things like that, not
Speaker 1: just about like dick and dad, Like oh ho, you
Speaker 1: get like that's not what I'm not, like why I
Speaker 1: want to be a sex therapist, like fuck me. But
Speaker 1: I took her on the day of that day and
Speaker 1: I cornered her in the bathroom and I was like,
Speaker 1: doctorin Nick, tell me what are your call the pass?
Speaker 1: And she told me, And she's been really lovely messaging
Speaker 1: me since then, so I might try and finish that
Speaker 1: and have her as my mentor. So I think that,
Speaker 1: I mean the next step, but hopefully I can continue
Speaker 1: writing because I actually really enjoy it, which is crazy.
Speaker 4: That's so cool.
Speaker 3: If you if you become a sexologist, can you promise
Speaker 3: you'll come back on our show because I feel like
Speaker 3: we've got a lot of questions listen to questions that
Speaker 3: would love to ask you.
Speaker 2: Of course. Well, I was kind of like the sex
Speaker 2: therapist of the house. Girls would ask me questions and
Speaker 2: I would be.
Speaker 1: Like, well, like there was like one time where I like,
Speaker 1: do like a diagram of the adverage sized butt plug.
Speaker 2: And was like, girl, girl, this is this is Barry
Speaker 2: the butt plug.
Speaker 4: So why wasn't that ed?
Speaker 2: I know, I know, am Ammy being funny.
Speaker 3: For God's say, I didn't didn't shock you that everyone
Speaker 3: had such an issue with you saying that you felt horny,
Speaker 3: Like is that? I mean as it just seems absurd
Speaker 3: that Australia seems so offended by that.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was crazy.
Speaker 1: I feel like that was such an extreme reaction to
Speaker 1: me just being horny, Like I'm an adult woman with
Speaker 1: my adults like quote unquote boyfriend, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I spot the girlfriends, like what's polyamorous at that point, and.
Speaker 3: Just like every typical relationship, you know, yeah, like like
Speaker 3: the start of a relationship.
Speaker 1: And and it was half the reaction though, it was
Speaker 1: like girls Dan, I'm like, yeah, it's like being like
Speaker 1: that's so proud, and the other half was like baby
Speaker 1: boomers being like you're vaulting, and it's like.
Speaker 2: I just I'm at a point where I'm like, why
Speaker 2: is wanting sex with vaulting?
Speaker 1: I actually don't get it, so it doesn't upset me
Speaker 1: this makes me angry for like society, not for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're so excited to see what the future holds
Speaker 3: for you, and we just wanted to say thank you
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 4: You get out of the car. We love talking to you.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for being on the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, guys, Thanks you, it was so.
Speaker 4: Nice to talk to your legend. Don't listen to the
Speaker 4: Daily Mail.
Speaker 2: I won't random.
Speaker 4: Yes, look out for it. Thanks so much you guys.
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