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Speaker 1: People were saying, you're fake, you're a bit, you're dumb,

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Speaker 3: Today, we sat down with Abby Chatfield from The Bachelor

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Speaker 3: much for joining us on Outspoken. Sophie and I of

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Speaker 1: But I think with every Instagram rand people are finding

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Speaker 1: But like, I think it's just it's just queer baiting,

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Speaker 1: So I don't it makes you feel a bit icky.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny because they put they put Chelsea and

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Speaker 2: She is the angel and I am miss like devil whore,

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Speaker 2: I like tried to leave so many times.

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Speaker 1: I think the hardest part was the omission of any

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Speaker 2: Which happened.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I wanted to fuck him, but like, there were

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Speaker 2: And then there's every conversation.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty unfair though, because I don't know if

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Speaker 4: How is that a fair edit?

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Speaker 3: Are they wanting to portray the winner in this certain

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that.

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Speaker 1: I think that they had you know, I can't really

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Speaker 1: think what was more worrying wasn't really you know, like

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Speaker 1: And the thing is when you watch the When you

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Speaker 1: He was like, you don't say anything negative to anyone

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was. That was an hour after it happened.

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Speaker 1: I was always one being basically essentially bullied in that house.

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Speaker 1: And then to watch it back and have different music

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Speaker 2: And sorry, I'm going on ten.

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Speaker 4: But no, it's so interesting.

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Speaker 1: So from my Top five dates to hometowns, my music

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Speaker 2: It's purely just this music.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what shocks me? Every year?

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Speaker 3: Because when I sit down and watch The Bachelor and

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Speaker 4: All these awful hate field messages.

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Speaker 3: What do you think was there a point where there

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Speaker 2: So we actually have a Google Drive folder with all

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Speaker 2: of them? The ones?

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Speaker 1: About halfway through, my really good friend took control of

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Speaker 1: but maybe you should just like think about being nicer

447
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Speaker 1: to people because I'm an actual person. Like, I think

448
00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,560
Speaker 1: they didn't understand that it wasn't Channel ten's account, it's

449
00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,160
Speaker 1: my private account. People don't get that, and they would

450
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,120
Speaker 1: often just supply and.

451
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,919
Speaker 2: Be like, oh, I'm really sorry. Like I think I

452
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 2: just wanted attention and I just wanted someone to talk

453
00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:11,680
Speaker 2: to them.

454
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is shocking and it's quite upsetting, but

455
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's just learned behavior. I think

456
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 1: they see comments on my posts and they think it's

457
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,800
Speaker 1: okay and then they DM me. And what I found

458
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,760
Speaker 1: as well, which is really interesting, was I would turn

459
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 1: off comments or limit comments to people who I follow,

460
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 1: and when I did that, like, I would try and

461
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,920
Speaker 1: do that to kind of protect myself from all the comments.

462
00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,359
Speaker 1: And then when I did that, people would DM me

463
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,119
Speaker 1: things that were like ten times as bad because it

464
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,920
Speaker 1: was in private in their heads, paragraphs and paragraphs about

465
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,520
Speaker 1: what they're going to do to me, about how much

466
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,159
Speaker 1: I don't deserve love and how much I don't care

467
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,800
Speaker 1: about mat and meanwhile, I'm crying myself to sleep about

468
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,200
Speaker 1: this guy that I'm still in love with.

469
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,200
Speaker 2: Now that I'm past it, it's.

470
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Speaker 1: Good to look back and kind of think about patterns

471
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Speaker 1: and human behavior that I noticed.

472
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Speaker 3: Does Channel ten have any support program in place that

473
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 3: hel helps you guys deal with that? Because I can

474
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 3: imagine you're, you know, twenty three at the time and

475
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,159
Speaker 3: dealing with something like this. It just seems absurd that

476
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 3: you guys have to go through that.

477
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we have a psychologist that we can call

478
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,639
Speaker 1: or text at any time.

479
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 2: She's really good. I really liked her and she helped

480
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 2: me a lot.

481
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 1: They also of feel like, if you want to see

482
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 1: someone in person, they'll pay for it. Cannel tend are

483
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 1: really good because they obviously understand the severity of all

484
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: of this even girls that Eleanor had had one one

485
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,199
Speaker 1: day after Hometowns that was her getting abused and she

486
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 1: had a really hard time, Like everyone cops it to

487
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,400
Speaker 1: some degree. So yeah, we have support, but I mean,

488
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 1: I don't think from my perspective, talking about it didn't

489
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: really help because once I got off the phone, I

490
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,199
Speaker 1: would have one hundred more notifications.

491
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:47,959
Speaker 2: You can't escape it.

492
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 3: It just reminded me because there's been so much talk

493
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 3: about the mental health of reality television contestants and how

494
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 3: some of the contestants on Love Island in the UK

495
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 3: have sadly committed suicide after the treatment from I spoke,

496
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 3: fans of The Bachelor you've received, does it surprise you

497
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 3: that there does seem to be this staggering amount of

498
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 3: reality television people who are taking their own lights.

499
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: No good at all.

500
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: The weeknd before finale, I was having suicidal thoughts. I

501
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 1: have a pre existing like anxiety disorder and depression that

502
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 1: I kind of gotten through before I went in the show,

503
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: and obviously I wouldn't go on if that was still

504
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: like clearing up and I got back to a place.

505
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: Like the weekend before FINALI I didn't leave my bed

506
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 1: and I was like, I think I'm miskin to kill myself,

507
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to do my interviews, I don't

508
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:36,919
Speaker 1: want to do anything.

509
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: Everyone's just gonna hate me. And I turned my phone.

510
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: Off and then I turn it back on and I

511
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: have all more dms, and then I had and then

512
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: you also have the pressure for your friends and your

513
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: family of needing to apply to them because they're trying

514
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: to make you feel better, and like all you want

515
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: to do.

516
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 2: Is just like hid.

517
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: So no, it doesn't shock me at all. I had

518
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: one friend who was in the phone chief for like

519
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: three hours, and I was just like, I like, I'm

520
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: going to kill myself. Like it was, it was really

521
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: really bad, but I guess I've bounced back now.

522
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: It was weird.

523
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: I got really bad really quickly and then got really

524
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: okay really quickly.

525
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 3: As well. Do you think there needs to be something

526
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 3: done to protect people that are on reality television? Because

527
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I can totally see why you would have

528
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 3: felt like that. I mean, so it's so silly, because

529
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you a bit about the

530
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 3: Daily Mail because today you posted an amazing another amazing

531
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 3: Instagram calling out the comments. No, well, a bloody good

532
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 3: rant that needs to be said. I mean, SOF and I.

533
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 3: We've had a few articles written about us, and these

534
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 3: are very small articles, and you go to the comments

535
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 3: and everyone's horrendous, and like you think, oh my god,

536
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 3: I can totally imagine getting mass comments telling you shit,

537
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 3: because suddenly you're going to think, oh, well are they

538
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 3: Maybe they're telling the truth, especially when I feel like

539
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: you can't escape when it's on your phone where you

540
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 3: can't even turn your phone off.

541
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: Well, just just on the point of like believing what

542
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: people are saying. When everyone was saying that I was manipulative,

543
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 1: which is such a weird. It's a weird thing to

544
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: say about someone because once you say someone's manipulative or fake,

545
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: you can't do anything to prove them otherwise, Like you

546
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: literally cannot if someone says you're fake, everything that is

547
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,719
Speaker 1: taken as being fake, Like I still have comments when

548
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: I open up about my abortion, people were damning me

549
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: being you said this for attention, you fake bitch, And

550
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: it's like, no, no, no, I've not, like, like why

551
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: would I do that for attention? Like that's not at all.

552
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to help women because I'm a strong feminist,

553
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: but when I was having suicidal thoughts, I was like, fuck,

554
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: am I mentally? I was like, am I mentally ill?

555
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: Do I not even see that I'm manipulating people?

556
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 3: Like?

557
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: I literally was calling my best friends being like, do

558
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: you hate me? Am I this unlikable? And people would

559
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: dam me and be like, how do you? I'm sure

560
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: you have no friends? So I was like one of

561
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: my best friends crying, being like, do you want to

562
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: not be my friend anymore?

563
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 2: Am I this horrible person? Like? Am I manipulative? Am I?

564
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: Like all these thoughts that everyone's saying to you? And

565
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: when you have people were saying you're fake, You're a bit,

566
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: you're dumb, you're fat, you're ugly, your your snake, you

567
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: can snake emoji?

568
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: You never want to see it again? You just you

569
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: do believe it.

570
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: I just say, you are absolutely gorgeous. You are none

571
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 3: of those things that they're saying. It makes me so

572
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 3: sad for you to think that for a second, because

573
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: it's just a lot of the time it's.

574
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 4: A bunch of very jealous girls online.

575
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: Do you know what sofa My motto is always we

576
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: love Taylor Swift. She's like, oh God, and we always

577
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: say if Taylor Swift cops comments online people, Taylor Swift,

578
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 3: you know, there's obviously something wrong with people, and anyone's

579
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 3: gonna cop criticism over something.

580
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's me Miley. And I'm like, Miley's

581
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: my literal queen, similar you I can tell and like

582
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: she does anything and everyone hates her and I'm like,

583
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: she's intelligent, gorgeous, talented, has it has it charity that

584
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: she runs rescues dogs.

585
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, Miley is my queen. So people Miley for

586
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: doing anything.

587
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: Miley breathes, and I'm like it was kind of like

588
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: a joke that I would say to people, being like,

589
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: if she can get through bankers, I can get through this.

590
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: But everyone cops, everyone cops, ship like everyone, And like

591
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: when Taylor Swoopers had all those snakes emojis, what does

592
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: she even do?

593
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: She yeah, she had was a West controversy.

594
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: Like that, that overwhelming action that she got. I actually

595
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: thought of that as well during my During my time, I.

596
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: Was like, I'm Taylor Switch, I'm being persecuted.

597
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 4: But you know what some people are. I know some

598
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 4: people are like, oh well, just don't read the comments.

599
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: It's like, how are you not going to read comments

600
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 3: when everybody is talking about you, It's it's human nature.

601
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: People are like, I just ignore it, and I'm like,

602
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: this is my personal Instagram, Like you realize that, Like

603
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: you realize that I talked to my friends mostly through DM,

604
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: so if I'm gonna talk to my also, people like,

605
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: just delete Instagram. And it's like, why should I have

606
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: to delete my Instagram to avoid getting abused online?

607
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: Like why don't we just say maybe everything's just stop

608
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: bullying her? Exactly?

609
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 4: Exactly?

610
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: To avoid social media is an integral part of all

611
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: of our life. To leap Facebook to lead Instagram, don't

612
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: go on it, And I'm like, what and just sit

613
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: here and wonder what everyone's saying about me?

614
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: Either way? Either way you fucked. Oh basically, well.

615
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: Just back to your Instagram post today. As I said,

616
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: I bloody loved it. I fucking hate that. I mean,

617
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: I love and I hate the Daily Mail comments because

618
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 3: I do have a sneaky read of the comments from

619
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 3: now and then. But I feel like those people that

620
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: write those horrendous comments are just the scum of the earth.

621
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: Who write those comments, it must be the saddest people

622
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 3: what prompted you to call them out?

623
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: So the person Todd was in those photos of me

624
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: and we aren't dating.

625
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: Everyone care I'm calm down.

626
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: Everyone's like they're getting married, they're engaged, and it's like, no,

627
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: we just passion a couple of dates.

628
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: He's very hot, leave me alone.

629
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, not only Pash, but I saw

630
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: you had a fish and chips.

631
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 4: And a can of aso. Yeah, very specific, are they?

632
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: Todds. The gentleman fed me some chips, like I must.

633
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: Say, I must say I love a good casto, so

634
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: I rate your tools there.

635
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you posito with chips and

636
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: extra chicken salt.

637
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 4: What an amazing date compared to those.

638
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd rather have hot chips and a date

639
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: with Todd than some of those dates that were on

640
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: The Bachelor.

641
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: Come on, absolutely, it was a great time.

642
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: But anyway, so he said he sent the link and

643
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: he was like, don't oh, he was, I don't read

644
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: the comments on this, but like, isn't this funny?

645
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: Like well, and I was like, oh yeah.

646
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: And then when someone says you don't read the I

647
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 1: would never read the comments anyway. But the fact that

648
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: he was like, don't read the comments, like he was

649
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: just trying to protect me obviously and feeling shit.

650
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 4: It's like a rab to a bull, isn't it.

651
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

652
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to read the comments obviously idiot,

653
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: and then I read through them, but I was so

654
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: angry and it wasn't even about like me, because like

655
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: I'm a size eight, like I don't have obviously, I

656
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: have days where I'm like, oh I feel grossed, or

657
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: like I don't feel amazing, but like I've kind of

658
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: gotten over my like deep rooted issues.

659
00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: In my body.

660
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: But me angry thinking about other women reading that who

661
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: don't slight their body, whether they're the same size as me,

662
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: bigger or smaller, and thinking that's how the world.

663
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: Perceives me and in turn perceives them worse, if that

664
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: makes sense. But if I'm the how do I say this?

665
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: Like, if I'm like the bar of like an average body,

666
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: if people are thinner than me, or heavier than me,

667
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: or have bigger boobs of me or small mobs of me,

668
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: and people are saying things about my boobs at me

669
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: being like fat, about how I say that?

670
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: How I'm do you know a better body at twenty four?

671
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: What do they mean? People are gonna feel worse about themselves.

672
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: And that's why I was so angry, because I was

673
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: just like, how can you write these things down? And

674
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: they are gonna be young girls who read through this

675
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: shit and think, well, if Abby from the Bachelor who

676
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: came second is ugly and fat, then what am.

677
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: I regards exactly exactly?

678
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: So I think when we're I'm like someone who is

679
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: like herald as this like beautiful like person on the batch,

680
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: like all the girls are on the Bachelor. If people

681
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: are saying they're ugly and fat, what what room.

682
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: Is there to go? Like? Where do you go from there?

683
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: So'd be angry.

684
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: It made me, Oh my gosh. I read the comments

685
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: and I was like, what the apisode to swear? But

686
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: what the actual fuck? Like are these people cooked? I

687
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: was like, this is so ridiculous. As you said, you're

688
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: a size eight, which people would aspire to be, You've

689
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: got an amazing body.

690
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 4: I mean, let's be honest.

691
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: The people taking the photos, they're trying to take bad

692
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: photos of everybody at the beach.

693
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they're not going.

694
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: To be posting the most flattering You looked amazing anyway,

695
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: but do you know what I mean? Like, that's what

696
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: annoysy about the Daily Mail. They post these articles and

697
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: they say these nice things like oh look at this

698
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: stunner out on the beach. But then they'll sometimes post

699
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: photos where you're not looking your best to incite the hate,

700
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: hateful comments like do you find that?

701
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

702
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, from stuff you've read.

703
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's definitely to provoke people.

704
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: And like the thing like you can see ribs in

705
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: one of those photos. I have my arms ribs, yeah,

706
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: And it's like I'm size eight but even if I

707
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: was a size eighteen or a size two, it doesn't matter.

708
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: You shouldn't comment on someone's body in this derogatory way.

709
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: And I think people as well.

710
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: I think the fact that I got this villain edit

711
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: people want to hate me and want to Isn't she

712
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: disgusting as well as mean and manipulative? But it's like

713
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm missing a little chick, like I'm miss the beach

714
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: with a friend on a date, wanting to know someone.

715
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't understand what people saying that I should have

716
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: worn a full piece.

717
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: Why who am I offending?

718
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: I remember Georgia Love got a lot of that criticism

719
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: as well, and it's just absolutely ridiculous.

720
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 4: She's a size eight as well. I feel like.

721
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 3: Saying, though, have you been baby shopping? It's pretty hard

722
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: to get anything that covers anything these days.

723
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like those bikinis, like, yeah, they are like.

724
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: Everyone likes you of the bikinis.

725
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: I would burn those bikinis, but I'm glad that you

726
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: would earn those bikinis, Like maybe without without my fake

727
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: tan on.

728
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: The color was a bit off on my skin, looking

729
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: like sea foam. That is a bikini salt. It's my

730
00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: bob being raised.

731
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: It's probably fifty year old men that don't even get

732
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: that they're fashionable bikinis.

733
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 4: They're probably like, ah, why don't they why they got

734
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 4: the one piece? Aren't that far out? It's just absolute creshns.

735
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: Not only if you copped bullying from outside sources, but

736
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: obviously you copped it very much in the house. Just

737
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: going back to some of the girls in the mansion,

738
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: why do you think they had a problem with you?

739
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: Was it from day dot or well, did they have

740
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 3: a problem with you or was it just editing?

741
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: No, there was definitely there was.

742
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: It was mainly I mean, I don't like to name people,

743
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: but it was mainly the people who thought would have

744
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: been bad, were that and worse in the mansion, but

745
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: once it was top after Hometowns, it was much better.

746
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: But even before Hometown's and Top six, they had Eleanor

747
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: and Chelsea, who I was really close with, and I

748
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: always had a friend in the mansion. Some people have

749
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: been like, what do you mean you had no friends?

750
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: Like we saw you being friend with Chelsea, and it's like,

751
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you can still be bullied and

752
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: have a house of ten girls who really dislike you

753
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: even look at you. And then if you have two friends,

754
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you aren't getting bullied. That means you

755
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: have sympathy friends who are nice people, like a loser

756
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: on the back porch having tea with you because you're

757
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: crying all day, Like, oh my.

758
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: God, this sounds like Sophie and my high school experience.

759
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: I know exactly what it's like. Yeah, you can be

760
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: hated and then have your bestie, but you cry too.

761
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: I felt like many of the girls criticized you, saying

762
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 3: that you were just there to grow your Instagram following,

763
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: which isn't everyone. But anyway, do you find it quite

764
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 3: ironic that it's Ellie who's now started her own YouTube channel.

765
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I quite like Ellie, but the fact

766
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: that she's she was the first one with the blue tick.

767
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: She was the first one to make a YouTube channel.

768
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: She is doing like a boost sponsorship or something like

769
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: a I don't.

770
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: Know which is fine. All these things are fine, Like that's.

771
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: Great, earn money through social media, go for a babe,

772
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: But why would you say that I was there for

773
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: social media fame and then that's the first thing that

774
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: you do. And her Instagram as well before going on

775
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: the show, was much more like curated than mine. Like

776
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: if you go back and look, if that makes sense,

777
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: Like it's all like her grid is all the same

778
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: and it's always saying those like insta.

779
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: Filters and all that stuff, and that's fine. We all

780
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: have a filter pack. But like, don't excuse me of

781
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: being there.

782
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: And also I never mentioned Instagram once in the strap.

783
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: This is what baffles me as well. I never spoke

784
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: about Instagram.

785
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: If anything.

786
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: Chelsea and I were like, fuck, it's going to really

787
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: damage our careers with in the predominantly male dominated industries

788
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: like Chelsea and science and me in property will get

789
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: so much shit if we start doing sponsored posts like

790
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: that was we were like.

791
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: Oh, it's going to be so like it's like a

792
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: negative thing.

793
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: And her other thing was that I was there for

794
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Bachelor in.

795
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: Paradise, which I mean, everyone.

796
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: Who doesn't win is going to get most likely off

797
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: of Bachelor.

798
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: That's hound that's where they get their cast from.

799
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: I'd love to see on Bachelor in Paradise, but I

800
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: feel like I'm more invested now in your relationship with.

801
00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: Todd and I'm like, everyone calm down, and I'm feeling

802
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,719
Speaker 1: he's pressurant right now.

803
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: But but like that that's fine.

804
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: But the reason why she said that was because my

805
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: comments around the house would always be I don't you

806
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: didn't really have to see this on the show, but

807
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: like I have a very like my COVID mechanism is

808
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: always humor, like always, and.

809
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 2: Whenever i'd be up at Matt or like other girls.

810
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: Would be upset about Matt or like being like, oh,

811
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: it's just so fuckd like we've had two months in

812
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: here without any like joy.

813
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: I would be I would.

814
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: Always say, girls, there is always bit and like as

815
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: like my joke like guys's always bip, don't worry like

816
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: obviously kidding, I'm like in love with this man. Crime

817
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: every night, guys, there's always someone in Paradise, like maybe

818
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: someone could date Bill and like ruin their life, like.

819
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: Made him at the dog park or whatever.

820
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that kind of banter.

821
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: And in the house there was also always a joke

822
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: where it was like, oh, there's always Todd because like

823
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: he is the only normal one, which is funny now,

824
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, like that kind of like, oh, girls,

825
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: come on because everyone's sitting around fucking cry. And then

826
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: that turned into Abbes and The Heath Bachelor in Paradise.

827
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what the show was, what BIT

828
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: was when I went on there. I truly didn't know it.

829
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: I literally someone told me someone mentioned BIT and I

830
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: was like what. I was like crying of laughter, being

831
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: like what the fuck is BIT?

832
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: And I was like what is that? Because I hadn't

833
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 2: seen a full episode of The Bachelor. I only watched

834
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: like punky recaps.

835
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: And then yeah, like I ever like she came on

836
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: here for fame and to be on the back, and

837
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I hadn't watched.

838
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: I don't have a TV. I don't have a fucking TV.

839
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: Like I got one recently, But like before I went on,

840
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: I didn't I watch was Netflix, like and Bachelor in Paradise.

841
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was in Australia, and our minders

842
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: worked Bachelor in Paradise as well, So I would ask

843
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: him being like, can someone explain the concept to me?

844
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: And I would ask about it all the time because

845
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: my brain couldn't comprehend the Rose situation and like.

846
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: The five come in before go, so I would talk

847
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: about it all the time. Like Eleenor was like, you

848
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: do bang on.

849
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: About it, but it's because you're so confusing your brain

850
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 1: cut so I wrap around the consetu of the show.

851
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: So like I think in that environment, everyone takes little

852
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: comments and when you're there, like you're trying to find

853
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: reasons why Matt wouldn't love that person because you're so

854
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: your self esteem is so low when you're in there

855
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: that you're like, I need to find reasons why he.

856
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: Wouldn't like Eleanor or why he wouldn't like Abby. And

857
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: if I'm talking about people all the time, they're going

858
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: to go, well, that's why he shouldn't be with her.

859
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 2: That makes sense.

860
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: That's the reason why because she is too young, she

861
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: is abso having kids and she has uttered the words

862
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: a bit more than four times in the mirror, and

863
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: I has appeared.

864
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 2: That's aually, that's sutually what it.

865
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 4: Is and just a change of pace.

866
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: I was going to say, you you mentioned the abortion,

867
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: the abortion comments that you made, which was so brave

868
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: you and I think, well, good on you for coming

869
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: out and telling your story. Can you tell us a

870
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: little bit about the reaction, because I mean, I've seen

871
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: lots of positive comments, but as we were talking, I'm

872
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: sure there's many negative because of what are you living

873
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: in a negative world? But yeah, what has been the

874
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 3: main reaction to your story?

875
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh, it's been great. It's actually been amazing. Ever since.

876
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: That's like two weeks, I've got mainly this positive great

877
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: DMS and after I told my abortion story, I'm shameless,

878
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: I've gotten so many young women and also middle Asiamen

879
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: messaged me with their like abortion story and telling me

880
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: about like how much I've helped them accept it and

881
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: not feel as guilty.

882
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: And I've like.

883
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: Cried in a few messages. So that it's been quite nice.

884
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: Everyone's been really supportive. The only one that was even

885
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: like close to negative was some Christian person DM me

886
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: saying why did you like kill one of God's children,

887
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't.

888
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: Believe in God. Like I was just like, I mean like,

889
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: I'm just like it wasn't really mean and it was

890
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: just them with their beliefs. So yeah, that's fine.

891
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's actually been really really positive. I'm sure

892
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: there were some negative comments on daily mails somewhere, but

893
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: naturally not gonna looking for those bad boys.

894
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 4: Oh well, good on you. That's that's that's what I

895
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 4: love about.

896
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, the producers portrayed you or

897
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 3: the editing portrayed you in one way, but I feel

898
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: like you've been so good and you've come out and

899
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: you've shown us who you really are through your social

900
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: media account. Has that been sort of not an orchestrated move,

901
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 3: but has that been something that you've been wanting to

902
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: do to.

903
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: Reveal your true self? I suppose after the way you

904
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 4: were portrayed.

905
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that first post that I made about

906
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: such shaming, I was like kind of like thinking about

907
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: it in the tail end of the show, just because

908
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: I was so frustrated because obviously we can't respond to

909
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: anything or it's airing, so we can't have any say.

910
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: So that was kind of like pre planned.

911
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: But other than that, I just tend to go on

912
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: these rants on Instagram anyway, because I'm a very opinionated

913
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: feminist and I usually would make rants about I guess,

914
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: other current affairs or other things that are happening in

915
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: the world. But now I guess I just have a

916
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: little bit more passion because it's about me. It's about

917
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: my life, and I can have like an educated, I

918
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: guess opinion on it, and I can say my piece

919
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: and be able to say it full well that I

920
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 1: have all.

921
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: The facts because I was there or like I am me.

922
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: So yeah, it hasn't really been orchestrated, but I think

923
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: it's just a continuation of my Instagram anyway, like what

924
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: I like anyway, because.

925
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: That's just what I'm like. Like I said, like, and

926
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 2: I had.

927
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: Multiple conversations about feminism and about abortion when I taught them,

928
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: about my abortion and about my instruggles with mental health

929
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So I wish that side kind

930
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: of got to be shown on the show of me

931
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: having even one intelligent conversation with anyone.

932
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: But I guess it's lucky that I can show it.

933
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: Ble now, for sure, I was gonna say here's your chance.

934
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: Sof and I love nothing more than talking about the

935
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: me too movement?

936
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 4: What are you? What are your thoughts?

937
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: Okay?

938
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: So, I mean I am super into me too movement.

939
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: Obviously, I'm a I'm a I'm a very good feminist.

940
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: I'm a good girl. But I feel like when it

941
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: came to be a zisan sorry story.

942
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: Thoughts for things and emotions or that I was really

943
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: taught and that was the point where I stopped looking at.

944
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: Me two things. Am I a bad person? No?

945
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: I think it's become It's become overwhelming now, hasn't it.

946
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously Weinstein stuff came out and everyone was invested,

947
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 3: but there's so much talk about, yeah, some the validity

948
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 3: of some stories, which it pisces me off that it's questioned.

949
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: But I can see why some people do go, oh, well,

950
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: is this just an issue of destroying reputations for revenge

951
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: and that kind of thing? But I think most of

952
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: the time, when women come out and stand up for themselves,

953
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 3: it's a legitimate for a legitimate reason.

954
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And I think as well.

955
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: I kind of had a moving through life assuming and

956
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: this is a really weird and I kind of realized

957
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: that when the media movement started, and my friends and

958
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: I all agreed, where it's like, I just assume that everyone's.

959
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 2: Been sexually assaulted, truly, truly, like.

960
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: All everyone that I know has been between groped in

961
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: a pub and raped, which is a horrible thing to

962
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: say out loud, but I think I just believe every story,

963
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: and there's hes some sorry thing confused me because I

964
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: was like, well, I there was such an aggressive reaction

965
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: from men about it, yeah, and I think maybe he's

966
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: some sorry it's like a socially awkward dude who truly

967
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: didn't get it, and his apology I think was substantial

968
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: enough to be like, maybe he just didn't get it.

969
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, it's like, well, I think

970
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: most women have been that situation where it's like someone's

971
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: taking things too far and you can't stop it, and

972
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: then you kind of blame yourself for not stopping it,

973
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: and it's like, where is the line between it being

974
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: or it's sexual asault either way? But I guess like

975
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: blatant sexual black and white assault where it's like this

976
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: person was right, this person was wrong, and then there's

977
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: this gray area and I just I get overwhelmed with it,

978
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: I get really overwhelmed and I get really guilty and sick.

979
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: And I that's why I take back from it, because

980
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: I was just like, I can't.

981
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: I can't do this anymore. I have the mental capacity anymore.

982
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: It is.

983
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: It is hard because there's so much we have to

984
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: care about these days. I mean, you got to care

985
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: about well, I do care about the metom movement, but

986
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like plastic straws, all that

987
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 3: kind of stuff that just seems to me so much

988
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: that we have energy that we have to put in

989
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: these things.

990
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: I know, well, I uploaded a video the other day

991
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: of me drinking, like I'm I had my metal straw

992
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: with me at all times. But I went to a

993
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: cafe at like a surf club and they gave me

994
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: a milkshake with a plastic straw in it.

995
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh fuck, I forgot to say

996
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: no straw.

997
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: And I was drinking throughout my story and I got

998
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: like twenty dms being like how dare you?

999
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: And I was like, like.

1000
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 4: You throw it out, you know what I mean, like

1001
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 4: not use.

1002
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: It, and like I'm not a fan of a plastic

1003
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: straw and like I will always see rubbish if it's

1004
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: on the side of the street to pick it up.

1005
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: But like people, we do have to care so much

1006
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: about certain things, and it's like, why are we caring

1007
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: about plastic straws so much? Is that like the cool

1008
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: thing of the moment. Why aren't we petitioning the amount

1009
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: of plastic waste in a cold when you're when you're working.

1010
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 4: For I had that conversation yesterday with a friend. It's

1011
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 4: just ridiculous.

1012
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: I saw this Halloween lollies and every lolly was individually

1013
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: wrapped in plastics, Like, surely this is well doys, No,

1014
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 3: it's so the kids know it's safety. But I was

1015
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: gonna say, because I don't want to hold you up

1016
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: too much. But lastly, we have to ask you. I

1017
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: know we've touched on Todd, and we've touched on your

1018
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 3: casito date with your fish and chips, but how is

1019
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: it all going? No pressure or anything from the Bachelor's community.

1020
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: But you know, he's great, like he I've said this before,

1021
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: but he is like everyone's like he's so amazing on

1022
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: TV and he's like that, but so much better because

1023
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: he's funny, Like he's really funny, and he's great. When

1024
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: he was here we had a really good time, but

1025
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: he lives in Perth and I'm certainly not relocating to

1026
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: Perth anytime soon. He's not moving to Brisbane anytime soon.

1027
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: So we've just kind of been like, I mean, if

1028
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: we're both in the same city, will hang out, but

1029
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: and we talk a fair bit, but we just sort

1030
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: of there's not really I think there's a point trying

1031
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: to establish a relationship starting off for long distance, and

1032
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: then that's really hard, and especially with all all the

1033
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: stucking right now in my life, it's just a bit much.

1034
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: So it's kind of a do you want me to give.

1035
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 4: You some hope?

1036
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: Because my boyfriend and I we started dating and then

1037
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: he moved, like I'm in Adelaide and he moved to

1038
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 3: Sydney and we were I think he was he was

1039
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 3: there for over a year and now he's back in Adelaide.

1040
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: So and we're still together. So there is hopeimes a

1041
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: long distance relationship.

1042
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: But I want to do so Yeah, I just feel

1043
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: like I also it's weird having all this extra pressure.

1044
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: Like there's been what photos of two dates we've had.

1045
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: They were actually on the I think that was like

1046
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: the same day, Like we had a weekend together, went

1047
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: to the beach both days.

1048
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: And it's funny now everyone there's always extra pressure that

1049
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: we both. It's kind of like imagine wing to the

1050
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: guy and everyone's like it. Boyfriends like I don't know,

1051
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: I like, I like, but like like when we're not

1052
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: about stage all. I don't think we're going to be

1053
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: about stage anytime soon. I mean, I'm not going to

1054
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: fly six hours maybe for a when some chips got

1055
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: like way sorry sitting.

1056
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: Though, And I'd like to finish on a question about you.

1057
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: What are we expecting to see from you in the

1058
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: next six months or so? Are you going to stay

1059
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: in this job you're in at the moment or should

1060
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: we be expecting something else?

1061
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: So I've started writing for women on my win news

1062
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: dot com. So I'm doing that a little bit. I'm

1063
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: trying to get into I need to.

1064
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: I think I need to, honestly out of property. But

1065
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: I think I might.

1066
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: I have done like one year of a psychology degree,

1067
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: so I think I might try and finish start finishing

1068
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: that next year and maybe to fill my dream of

1069
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: becoming a sexologist. I've been in contact with doctor Nicky,

1070
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: who was on that episode. Yeah, and because on that episode,

1071
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: like that was kind of used like a punchline as well,

1072
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: that comment like that's a true like thing that I want.

1073
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: To become, like not just with sex, with like gender.

1074
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: Binaries and like sexuality like and things like that, not

1075
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: just about like dick and dad, Like oh ho, you

1076
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: get like that's not what I'm not, like why I

1077
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: want to be a sex therapist, like fuck me. But

1078
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: I took her on the day of that day and

1079
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: I cornered her in the bathroom and I was like,

1080
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: doctorin Nick, tell me what are your call the pass?

1081
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: And she told me, And she's been really lovely messaging

1082
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: me since then, so I might try and finish that

1083
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: and have her as my mentor. So I think that,

1084
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean the next step, but hopefully I can continue

1085
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: writing because I actually really enjoy it, which is crazy.

1086
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 4: That's so cool.

1087
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 3: If you if you become a sexologist, can you promise

1088
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: you'll come back on our show because I feel like

1089
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 3: we've got a lot of questions listen to questions that

1090
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 3: would love to ask you.

1091
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: Of course. Well, I was kind of like the sex

1092
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: therapist of the house. Girls would ask me questions and

1093
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 2: I would be.

1094
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: Like, well, like there was like one time where I like,

1095
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: do like a diagram of the adverage sized butt plug.

1096
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: And was like, girl, girl, this is this is Barry

1097
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 2: the butt plug.

1098
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 4: So why wasn't that ed?

1099
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: I know, I know, am Ammy being funny.

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Speaker 3: For God's say, I didn't didn't shock you that everyone

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Speaker 3: had such an issue with you saying that you felt horny,

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Speaker 3: Like is that? I mean as it just seems absurd

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Speaker 3: that Australia seems so offended by that.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was crazy.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that was such an extreme reaction to

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Speaker 1: me just being horny, Like I'm an adult woman with

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Speaker 1: my adults like quote unquote boyfriend, like I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I spot the girlfriends, like what's polyamorous at that point, and.

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Speaker 3: Just like every typical relationship, you know, yeah, like like

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Speaker 3: the start of a relationship.

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Speaker 1: And and it was half the reaction though, it was

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Speaker 1: like girls Dan, I'm like, yeah, it's like being like

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Speaker 1: that's so proud, and the other half was like baby

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Speaker 1: boomers being like you're vaulting, and it's like.

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Speaker 2: I just I'm at a point where I'm like, why

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Speaker 2: is wanting sex with vaulting?

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Speaker 1: I actually don't get it, so it doesn't upset me

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Speaker 1: this makes me angry for like society, not for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're so excited to see what the future holds

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Speaker 3: for you, and we just wanted to say thank you

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 4: You get out of the car. We love talking to you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for being on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, guys, Thanks you, it was so.

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Speaker 4: Nice to talk to your legend. Don't listen to the

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Speaker 4: Daily Mail.

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Speaker 2: I won't random.

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Speaker 4: Yes, look out for it. Thanks so much you guys.

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Speaker 2: Bangs