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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that wasn't in the

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Speaker 1: studio with us this morning. We've got the Northern Territories

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Speaker 1: Treasurer and Minister for Various Portfolios, Bill Yeah, and good

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Speaker 1: morning Bill.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning everyon on the top end.

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Speaker 1: Great have you in the studio. And also joining us

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Speaker 1: from Sky News the Bureau Chief for the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham. Good morning to.

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Speaker 3: You morning, Will Fee.

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Speaker 1: And we've got the Deputy Opposition Leader, a member for

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Speaker 1: Daily Duran Jan Good.

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Speaker 4: Morning, Ah, Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now it's been another incredibly busy week and I will

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Speaker 1: start off with saying that we received throughout the week

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Speaker 1: a four page statement issued from the Chief Justice of

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court of the Northern Territory. The statement was

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Speaker 1: issued in response to public commentary concerning the grant of

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Speaker 1: bail to a teenager well more than ten days ago.

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Speaker 1: The statement was no doubt intended to provide some explanation

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Speaker 1: around the decision, and, according to that statement, to outline

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Speaker 1: the conventions that limit the manner and the extent to

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Speaker 1: which judges are able to participate in debate about decisions

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Speaker 1: that they've made. It continued that some of the commentary

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Speaker 1: and criticism misunderstands the considerations that the courts are required

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Speaker 1: to take into account when determining whether to grant compassionate

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Speaker 1: more questions from our listeners than it answered. There was

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Speaker 1: how often this is happening and at what cost? Now?

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Speaker 1: It was no doubt that the statement was intended to

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Speaker 1: But really a lot of people still how we got

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Speaker 3: Matt can I Well, I think there are a couple

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Speaker 3: response was basically that she I'm probably verbaling her a

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Speaker 3: But I think it only made people more upset about

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Speaker 3: it was too risky, the risk was too more. And

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Speaker 3: yet then the Department of Children and Families has said, oh,

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Speaker 3: The other thing, the other thing in the statement, it

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Speaker 5: And the issue for the Department there too is that

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Speaker 5: once the judge Supreme Court judge makes that order to

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Speaker 1: Reasons, so you can't push that.

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Speaker 5: They have to do it otherwise they're in contempt of court.

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Speaker 5: So they have to bear the costs, and the Chief

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Speaker 5: is quite right. Lot the Chief was responding to the

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Speaker 5: at the Chief Justice's response. But at the end of

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Speaker 5: if Corrections had to take them out and something had

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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, and I suppose, you know, maybe that's what

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Speaker 1: Matt and I need to do at the moment. The

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Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure which part of it.

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Speaker 1: There are concerns with But what I can say is that,

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Speaker 4: Well, look, Katie, First of all, obviously, you know, none

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Speaker 4: but then also to come out and over arch her

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Speaker 4: ensure that there are a separation of powers. Our roles

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Speaker 6: The judicial system what to do.

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Speaker 4: We have clear sets, we have clear we have clear

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Speaker 4: but we have we have clear sets of rules, clear

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Speaker 1: That is it something that the former government never had

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Speaker 4: Well, No, we knew our role and that's what's happened.

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Speaker 1: Actually need to stand up and say, hang on a

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Speaker 1: sec I don't agree with this. Do you actually sometimes

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Speaker 1: need to stand up for people and say I, actually,

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Speaker 4: Well, the way we do that, as MLA's Katie is

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Speaker 1: That hasn't happened.

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Speaker 1: That there'd be no crime. She said that there would

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Speaker 4: So that hasn't happened. So we've seen we've seen pieces

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Speaker 4: And then now she's come out and blamed the judicial system.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a you know, we have a basic

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Speaker 3: I think the judicial system got this one right.

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Speaker 4: Oh look, clearly, I'm not going to comment on that,

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Speaker 6: But she did mislead the public.

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Speaker 2: No, she did.

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Speaker 3: You're right about that, And I would like to actually

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Speaker 2: Allegedly struck the baby.

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Speaker 3: That's the difference that the Chief Minister made, I think

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Speaker 4: And that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And when you're a chiefs for a lot of people

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Speaker 1: I don't actually feel as though I'm any happier with

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Speaker 1: that teenager being granted bail because they were still culpable

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Speaker 5: Fellow as part of that offense to he step in

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Speaker 5: get out. No, he participated in the commission of that

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Speaker 3: My and they have said that. They have said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think it's actually raised more questions about what has happened.

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Speaker 1: The statement has actually raised more questions for a lot

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Speaker 5: So there's all these cave It's done to make sure

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Speaker 1: Well, and again this is where that question is being

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Speaker 1: So that is something that the Chief Minister had raised

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Speaker 5: Well, we've made some changes to the bay laws already, Katie,

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Speaker 5: Well, you think that the courts would be taking that

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Speaker 3: And I think the Chief justiceays any statement, they don't

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Speaker 1: That's yeah. Look, there is I mean, this discussion is

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Speaker 5: We've seen those working in bio laws, Katie, over a

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Speaker 5: There's still more work to be done to make sure

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Speaker 5: It's said a long time, eight years of things going

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's been some pushback from the judges, is

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Speaker 3: So my understanding is that the plan would be to

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Speaker 2: Look and as sudden.

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Speaker 5: Look, I've been on this for years and years and

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Speaker 5: And I think that the big one silver Water in

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Speaker 5: Really yeah, absolutely, It sits inside the prison. And what

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Speaker 5: it comes down to is efficiency. So every time you

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Speaker 2: So court escorts, hospital escorts.

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Speaker 3: We've seen them so many times for unital escorts. Remember

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Speaker 5: So in those larger prisons elsewhere, the courts are inside

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Speaker 5: There's a place inside the prison that designates the court.

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Speaker 5: We've done this during COVID. COVID we couldn't move around,

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Speaker 5: We run courts out to the bush via video link up.

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Speaker 5: It can be done. The judiciary needed to be reminded

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Speaker 2: And we can do things differently.

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Speaker 3: At a lot of this stuff's done via AVL now

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Speaker 3: though already isn't it some.

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Speaker 2: Stuff not by AVL.

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Speaker 5: It needs to be a little bit of change somewhere

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Speaker 5: the courts are still pushing back on that first hearing

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Speaker 2: And it would it.

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Speaker 3: Be Would it be in silver Water? Is I presume

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Speaker 5: No, it's not accessible to that right, and the offender

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Speaker 5: designated as an actual court. It's not prison. The offender

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Speaker 5: sits there and they attend court virtually.

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Speaker 2: So it's no.

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Speaker 3: Is the plan here to do it inside the prison

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Speaker 3: wall or outside the prison wall.

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Speaker 5: I'm not exactly sure what Minister's talking about there, but

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Speaker 5: there are certainly ways to be able to do this

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Speaker 5: to make it more efficient, easier for corrections at the

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Speaker 5: end of the day.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the other issue as well, because we had

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Speaker 3: a twenty one million dollar overtime bill last year for

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Speaker 3: corrections and a lot of that, my understanding is a

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Speaker 3: huge part of.

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Speaker 5: Court escorts and remote court escorts. So there's ways to

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Speaker 5: do things smarter, and we've been when I was in

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Speaker 5: a job. We will push the judiciary to make some

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Speaker 5: changes to make things easier for us, and even particularly

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Speaker 5: around scheduling, to bring certain offenders in before lunch and

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Speaker 5: certain defenders after lunch, so we could actually keep our

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Speaker 5: officers back in the prison and be smart about the

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Speaker 5: way that we did business. But the courts are very

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Speaker 5: very reluctant and resision to any form of change whatsoever.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a will now to make some change

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Speaker 5: within the judicial system, which is good.

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Speaker 3: I'm just hoping that a public response to that idea

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Speaker 3: seems to be fairly positive from what I've seen over

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Speaker 3: the past couple of days.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of it? To run?

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Speaker 4: Look, I haven't seen the plan at all to the

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Speaker 4: courts being on prison grounds.

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Speaker 6: So that's you know, obviously it's a bit hard to.

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Speaker 4: Support the full implications of the plan, But I think again,

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Speaker 4: it needs to go through a series of consultation because

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Speaker 4: there could be unintended consequences to this, and that The

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Speaker 4: first thing that comes to mind is, you know, I

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Speaker 4: think it is important that people have that face to

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Speaker 4: with the judicial system, especially in the territory where we

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Speaker 4: have people that language is you know, third fourth language,

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Speaker 4: and that makes it even harder. You know, I've done

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Speaker 4: skytte videos out to communities. It makes it very hard.

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Speaker 4: So that I think we need to look at that

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Speaker 4: and ensure that especially when we've got people in remand

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Speaker 4: we've got people that are on bail, to ensure that

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Speaker 4: you know, we're not sentencing innocent people and that they

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Speaker 4: do get a fair trial at the end of the day.

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Speaker 4: So that that comes to mind straight away. But you know,

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Speaker 4: to make for the comment, we need to see the

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Speaker 4: full plan outlined.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a bit of a break. You

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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. You are listening to

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Speaker 1: the week that was if you've just joined us this

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Speaker 1: morning in this studio is Bill Yan, Matt Cunningham and

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Speaker 1: Duran Young. Now there has been a lot happening this

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Speaker 1: week and we've spoken about a large majority of it.

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Speaker 1: But Matt, you got people talking this morning with this

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Speaker 1: other story that you'd covered about the Northern Territory Chief

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Speaker 1: man to Leah Finocchiaro defending her decision not to acknowledge

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Speaker 1: traditional owners at last week's Bombing of Darwin ceremony, saying

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Speaker 1: the practice had become so widespread under labor it had

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Speaker 1: lost its meaning. Missus Fanocchiaro was one of eight dignitaries

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Speaker 1: to deliver a speech at the event. Others included the

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Speaker 1: Deputy Prime Minister and plenty of others National MP Barnaby Joyce.

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Speaker 1: Each speaker acknowledged the Larokia traditional owners, while Professor Hege

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Speaker 1: delivered his welcome in the Larakia language. There was also

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Speaker 1: a five minute welcome to country that was delivered by

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Speaker 1: Larochia Man James Parfert, but the Chief Minister made no

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Speaker 1: mention of the Larakie people. She instead made a special

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Speaker 1: mention of veterans and their families. What did you make

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Speaker 1: of it?

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Speaker 4: Look, I find it very concerning that the leader of

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Speaker 4: the Northern Territory refuses to acknowledge the Larachea people, especially

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Speaker 4: at such a significant event.

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Speaker 6: Where Larakia people fought.

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Speaker 4: Alongside other members, especially at the time when people won't recognized.

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Speaker 4: So I find it very concerning and also to come

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Speaker 4: and politicize the issue, to say, oh, you know, well,

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Speaker 4: this is a labor policy that's been handed over to us.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Chief Minister was happy to do acknowledgments

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Speaker 4: to country before she was elected, and then all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden she's changed her tune and tried to divide

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Speaker 4: the community and turned it into a divisive manner. It

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Speaker 4: doesn't take much to show a bit of respect, and

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Speaker 4: especially when you're a leader and you're the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 4: she should be showing a lot more respect to Larry

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Speaker 4: Key of people. And I think it's quite worrying that

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Speaker 4: she's not acknowledging people, especially now that this is the

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Speaker 4: you know, we're talking about this is the main issue.

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Speaker 4: We've got cost of living issues, we've got crime issues,

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Speaker 4: Yet here we are talking about this because the leader

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Speaker 4: of the Northern Territory refuses to acknowledge judicial honess.

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Speaker 1: I am the events all the time. I've seen some

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Speaker 1: of the most incredible welcome to countries. I reckon that,

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Speaker 1: like I feel like I've probably seen more than most

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Speaker 1: people and some of them are absolutely incredible. I will say,

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Speaker 1: like the Youth Mill, some of the ones that I've

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Speaker 1: seen that they've done have been so good. Sometimes Auntie

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Speaker 1: Billa Wara, when she gets up and says her words,

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Speaker 1: I get goose pokes and think, oh, it's amazing. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's absolutely amazing. As the MC, I will like, I

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Speaker 1: always thank the person who has stood up and done

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Speaker 1: that welcome to country, and you know, if it's moved me,

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Speaker 1: I definitely would acknowledge the fact that it's moved me.

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Speaker 1: What I've noticed though, over the years is that I

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Speaker 1: feel as though sometimes other people then get up and

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Speaker 1: they make that acknowledgement, and it sometimes doesn't feel genuine,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, It feels like they're doing

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Speaker 1: it because they think they need to. And I kind

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Speaker 1: of think, well, and I kind of think to myself,

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Speaker 1: unless you've got you know, if you're not going to

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Speaker 1: say something that actually like that, you know that's meaning.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny. At the at the Bombing of Darwin ceremony,

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Speaker 3: I would say that the most meaningful acknowledgment of the

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Speaker 3: laroche of people are apart from James Parfitt's Welcome to Country,

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Speaker 3: but the most meaningful one came from Barnaby Joyce, right,

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Speaker 3: because everyone else said it at the beginning of their speech.

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Speaker 3: It was like, that's the box I need to tick, right,

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Speaker 3: I've got to say this, this this Barnaby. When you

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Speaker 3: go back and watch it, he doesn't get to it

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Speaker 3: until about two minutes in, right, and he's talking about

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Speaker 3: our allies and he's talking about and then he starts

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Speaker 3: talking about the Lara Kir people and then he starts

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Speaker 3: talking about their role in the defense of Darwin. So

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Speaker 3: it meant something, right, and it was a good It

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Speaker 3: was part of his speech and it was it was terrific.

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Speaker 3: But I get your point. Like, the best welcome to

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Speaker 3: country I've ever seen was Richard Fijo at the dream

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Speaker 3: Time game between Richmond and Essendon that was held here

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty during COVID that went national. I don't think,

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Speaker 3: you know, unless you're a card carrying racist, I don't

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Speaker 3: think you could watch that and not be moved, you know,

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Speaker 3: in some way by that welcome. Now he's been. Richard

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Speaker 3: has been one of the most vocal critics of Lea's

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Speaker 3: failure to acknowledge touching in this incident, but I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think there is a difference between a moving welcome

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Speaker 3: to country and some of the acknowledgements of the country.

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Speaker 3: The worst example I can think of is the one

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Speaker 3: you get on the plane, whether the air hostess is

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Speaker 3: telling you to put up your trade table and put

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Speaker 3: down and your window and in the same monotone voice,

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Speaker 3: you know, gives an acknowledgment of not even necessarily the

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Speaker 3: larachilla like just the traditional owners, whoever they may be.

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Speaker 3: And I think corporate Australia has played a big part in,

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Speaker 3: you know, making it something that has lost its meaning

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Speaker 3: at some level. For something to be meaningful, it has

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Speaker 3: to mean something to the person who's saying the words.

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Speaker 5: I think, I suppose and I look at what's taken

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Speaker 5: place this week in Dran.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're quite right. Just because leader's near

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Speaker 2: the chievements, it doesn't mean she stopped doing it.

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Speaker 6: She has.

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Speaker 5: And she was and there was a times that you're

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Speaker 5: only talking about one instance there though previously in opposition

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Speaker 5: she was doing the same thing. Because I do the

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Speaker 5: same thing myself personally. If someone doesn't welcome the country

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Speaker 5: and then someone does an acknowledgement of country, and I

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Speaker 5: get uplated to talk. I generally don't do an acknowledge

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Speaker 5: in a country because it has already been done.

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Speaker 2: If I'm the.

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Speaker 5: First speaker up or I'm the MC, I will do

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Speaker 5: that acknowledgment of country. If people choose to do it

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Speaker 5: after me, that's up to them. But I know that

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Speaker 5: once it's been done, I'm happy with that, and if

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Speaker 5: I get up to talk later, I generally don't do it.

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Speaker 5: And the same has happened in this instance with the

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Speaker 5: Chief Minister. I know previously she'd been at functions where

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Speaker 5: the acknowledgement of country has been done, so she hasn't

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Speaker 5: done it, or she's the first speaker, she will have

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Speaker 5: done it, and it's not expected for people.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Duran that if there's a welcome to

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Speaker 3: country at an event, that each speaker then individually should

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Speaker 3: do an acknowledgement.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think Leah Fakiarra should have done it. I mean,

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Speaker 4: she is the leader of the Northern Territory and she

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Speaker 4: should at such a big and important event, at a

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Speaker 4: national event, she should have acknowledged the Lara Kie people.

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Speaker 4: We've seen Richard Fijo come out absolutely scathing Lea about

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Speaker 4: her not acknowledging the traditional owners. I think it's just

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Speaker 4: disappointing that this is the converse that we're having when

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Speaker 4: we've got other issues in the community, such as cost

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Speaker 4: of living, such as crime we've just been talking about,

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Speaker 4: and yet this is the main conversation. Leah has chosen

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Speaker 4: to get national headlines on this and become divisive across

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Speaker 4: the community. As a leader, you need to bring people together.

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Speaker 4: You need to bring people together, and that's something she.

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Speaker 1: Has well well.

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Speaker 3: And to be fair, like to be fair, the only

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Speaker 3: reason I got onto the story was because Manuel Brown

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Speaker 3: and Justine Davis and Richard had posted about it on Facebook.

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Speaker 3: That's that's how I knew it had happened. I wasn't there,

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Speaker 3: and I didn't like I was there, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: even pick up on it at the time. But then

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Speaker 3: I subsequently saw a post from Manuel Brown having a

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Speaker 3: crack over it, and that's that's where the story came from.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, because Maniel Brown understands the significance of it,

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Speaker 4: and you know, it's Manuel Brown and I and other members.

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Speaker 4: We don't just do it now because we're politicians were

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Speaker 4: at our whole life. It's a protocol that you do

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Speaker 4: that you take on and yeah, no, sure, respect She's

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Speaker 4: being disrespectful, is what the issues.

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Speaker 3: No, I was just responding to your point about her

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Speaker 3: making it a national story or whatever. I just think

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Speaker 3: it was the criticism of it that.

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Speaker 1: Brought your attention that then ended up being something that

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Speaker 1: gets covered, because that's the thing if you're not there

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Speaker 1: and if you you know, if you haven't actually seen it,

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Speaker 1: like I wasn't at the bombing of Dawn events, so

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that it had happened. But look, I

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Speaker 1: do take on board, Duran, the point that you're making

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Speaker 1: that there's lots of other things on the agenda, lots

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Speaker 1: of other very important things. So we're going to take

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Speaker 1: a very quick break and when we come back, we

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Speaker 1: are going to talk about those you're listening to mix

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Speaker 1: one O four ninees three sixty. You are listening to

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Speaker 1: mix one O four nines three sixty in the studio bill. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham and Duran Young. Now we know that we've

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Speaker 1: been speaking for weeks about the concerns being raised by

662
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Speaker 1: correction stuff when it comes to these legislative changes that

663
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Speaker 1: were passed in Parliament enabling private corrections private contractors, I

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Speaker 1: should say, to be utilized and officers from interstate to

665
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Speaker 1: be surged in. Now we know that we learned sort

666
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Speaker 1: of towards the end of last week and early this

667
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Speaker 1: week that corrections workers then overwhelmingly had a vote of

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Speaker 1: no confidence for the Corrections Commissioner Matthew Varley, calling for

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Speaker 1: an immediate dismissal of him. On Friday, late Friday last week,

670
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Speaker 1: we learned the United Workers Union had released the results

671
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Speaker 1: of their no confidence vote, which said ninety eight percent

672
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Speaker 1: of workers no longer trusted the leadership of the territory's

673
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Speaker 1: prison system. That poll of five hundred and nineteen correctional

674
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Speaker 1: officers eighty seven percent of the union membership found only

675
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Speaker 1: two percent said they still believed in the leadership of

676
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Speaker 1: mister Varley. Now, what was interesting, Bill, is they didn't

677
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Speaker 1: deliver that result, as I understand it, to the Corrections

678
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Speaker 1: Minister Jered Maylee. They delivered it to you.

679
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Speaker 2: Well, actually not quite, Katie.

680
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Speaker 1: Converge on your office.

681
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they popped in the mind office in ol Springs.

682
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Speaker 5: So because I've seen I read the NT news articles

683
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Speaker 5: saying they delivered it to me, he said, well, hang on,

684
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Speaker 5: I'm in Darwin it's a bit hard. I didn't see

685
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Speaker 5: anyone pop up my doorstep in Darwin.

686
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Speaker 2: But hey, look.

687
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Speaker 5: The amount of no confidence motions I think i've seen

688
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Speaker 5: in my using corrections. I'd probably need a couple of

689
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 5: arms and more fingers to count them.

690
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Speaker 4: Right.

691
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Speaker 2: Every time.

692
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Speaker 5: Management within Corrections does something that the union don't like,

693
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Speaker 5: the first thing they tend to.

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Speaker 2: Do is a vaute of no confidence. I think there

695
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Speaker 2: was a couple.

696
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Speaker 5: Thrown around about me when I was a general manager

697
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Speaker 5: in Al Springs. I know that my colleagues had votes

698
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Speaker 5: of no confidence. Previous commissioners had votes of no confidence.

699
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Speaker 5: So every time management or senior management Corrections does something

700
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Speaker 5: that the union don't agree with, the first port of

701
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 5: call is a vaute of no confidence. I've got I've

702
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Speaker 5: got complete confidence in Matt Valley, the commissioner. He's doing

703
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Speaker 5: a good job under some very very trying conditions. He's

704
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Speaker 5: trying to actually help correctional officers out. Now I'm the

705
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 5: first person to stick their hand up and say, if

706
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Speaker 5: you try to bring security guards inside them able to

707
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 5: run it, you can't do that. And I'm been telling

708
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Speaker 5: my colleagues that don't do that. This is not what's

709
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 5: not what's been put forward. These are suitably trained staff

710
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 5: who have to probably meet the criteria certificate three to

711
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 5: come in and assist corrections because corrections for months. And

712
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Speaker 5: all my mates in our springs who probably don't like

713
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 5: me very much at the moment, but anyway, former mates

714
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 5: have been saying for so long, we're short staff, we're overwork,

715
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 5: the situation is dangerouscause we don't have enough staff. Or

716
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 5: here's a way to get some staff in to help

717
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 5: you out, to provide a safer work environment and give

718
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Speaker 5: you a little bit of reprieve. And they're saying, oh jeez,

719
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Speaker 5: now we don't we don't want to.

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Speaker 1: Give it a chance. Bell like, do they just need

721
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Speaker 1: to give it a bit of time? What do you reckon?

722
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've worked in the system. The rest of

723
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Speaker 1: us have it.

724
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Speaker 5: I said in the speech in Parliament the other week,

725
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Speaker 5: because I heard all these people stand up and all

726
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 5: of a sudden they're all experts in corrections, and I've

727
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 5: got I've got a bit grumpy about that. Until you've

728
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 5: been on the cole FA short staff with a couple

729
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 5: of hundreds of looking after hundreds of prisoners. You don't

730
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 5: get to stand up in become an expert on corrections.

731
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 5: If I had the opportunity to get extra staff in

732
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Speaker 5: from wherever it happened to be back in the day,

733
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Speaker 5: to give the officers some reprieve and make the workplace safer,

734
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Speaker 5: I would have done it.

735
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: We've tried to.

736
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Speaker 5: Do things over the years, and the unions I've always

737
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 5: opposed it. It seems I want the cake and I

738
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 5: want to eat it too. Why can't we find the stuff? Like,

739
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 5: we can't recruit the staff that we know? How many

740
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 5: staff short are we?

741
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Speaker 3: I know talking to Scott Menan a couple of years ago,

742
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 3: he was like, we're seventy short, and he went to

743
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Speaker 3: the Government of the day with a proposal to recruit

744
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: seventy extra and got knocked on the head butt.

745
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and even in our springs, I know that they're

746
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 2: up to sixty short just recently. That's talking to people

747
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: on the ground.

748
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 5: Look, there was some things didn't happen for a little

749
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Speaker 5: while within when corrections was under Attorney Generals. They didn't

750
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Speaker 5: recruit for a period of time because they're using some

751
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 5: wrong numbers at the end of the day, and that

752
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 5: put directions behind the eight ball on recruitment. We've seen

753
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 5: increasing prison numbers, which means you have to recruit. And

754
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 5: I fought for years to get standardized recruitment happening every year.

755
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 5: We knew what attrition was, we knew that we had

756
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 5: to recruit x amount per year, but couldn't get that

757
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 5: over the line back.

758
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: In the day.

759
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 5: And now we're in a position where they're scrambling to recruit,

760
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Speaker 5: and now they're back to back recruiting is you've got

761
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 5: to recruit to your new numbers, and then you've got

762
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Speaker 5: to recruit to deal with the attrition, and then you've

763
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 5: got to recruit to your short fall. And to do

764
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Speaker 5: how long do you have to train for It's three

765
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 5: months three months of training, nearly three months of training,

766
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Speaker 5: so you've got to back to back to back to

767
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Speaker 5: back to back to back recruit.

768
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Speaker 3: You paid while you train?

769
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, yeah, you're not getting a full wage

770
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 5: while you trained. I'll tell you what the wage while

771
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 5: you're on tryinget.

772
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: What do you get?

773
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: How much do you get paid once?

774
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 5: You don't think you get the consolidated allowance while you're

775
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 5: in training, but once you come off the training course

776
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 5: and go into the job, you get the consolid Allowanceers

777
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 5: I think it's about thirty six or thirty seven percent now, so.

778
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: The wages it take you up to what one hundred

779
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: grand I.

780
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 5: Think the guys are on over eighty eighty five.

781
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: I think for I'd have to go back and check.

782
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: I'm not sure anymore.

783
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 5: But the wages now for correctional officers in the territory,

784
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 5: they were probably some of the worst.

785
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: In the country.

786
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 5: I think we're back here up towards the in the

787
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 5: country and we need to do that to get people

788
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 5: to come here. But we need to get people to

789
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 5: come to the terror you want to work. Lots of

790
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 5: want to come to Darwen and work. Sadly, we're not

791
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 5: seeing too many people want to come to Ali Springs,

792
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 5: which is unfortunate. But we've got the opportunity now to

793
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 5: see a workforce to come in to provide that little

794
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 5: bit of a reprieve and pick up some of those

795
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 5: lower level jobs the prison offices are doing, so we

796
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 5: can keep those prison officers on the coal face where

797
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 5: they need to be, those highly trained people dealing with

798
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 5: prisoners and having other people out doing some of those

799
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 5: escort works.

800
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: So the escorts is the main thing that you're looking

801
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: to outsource is that the idea you've got someone like

802
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: gfours to do the escort.

803
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, and look, it happens in other states and I've

804
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 5: seen it in WA and other states where it has worked. Look,

805
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 5: they still have their problems, but the same as corrections,

806
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 5: they have their problems doing escorts. So it works in

807
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 5: other states. The capacity is there now to do it.

808
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 5: But it's also working with police too, So it's not

809
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 5: just corrections, it's also to pick up some of that

810
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 5: police movement as well, and that of course Freese police

811
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 5: up to keep them on the ground and the cole

812
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 5: face doing what they need to do as well.

813
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, look, I think this issue runs deeper than

814
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 4: the Commissioner himself. We know that when this was first proposed,

815
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 4: Jared Maylee, the Minister at the time, refused to meet

816
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 4: with the corrections officers. And that's while we're in the

817
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 4: bungle we're in now. I find it quite concerning that

818
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: Bill Yarn, the Minister, is saying that you know, you're

819
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 4: not the experts here, but yet this is a correction

820
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 4: officers coming out and ninety eight percent of saying they

821
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 4: don't have confidence in this process and privatize aiding, privatizing

822
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Speaker 4: our correction officers. Leaf Nokiara and twenty eighteen came out

823
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: and put a statement out herself saying that privatization of

824
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 4: correction officers is unsafe and dangerous. Yet here she is

825
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: coming back to say, oh, you know we're going to

826
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: we've passed these laws and it's okay now. So she's

827
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 4: changed a tune again. But what's really concerning is the

828
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: Minister again not meeting with correction officers to hear their

829
00:38:59,080 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 4: concerns directly.

830
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Speaker 3: I was at a press conference this week where he

831
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 3: said he did meet with the union this week.

832
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

833
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: I was wondering whether it's going to be a bit ice.

834
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Speaker 4: But that was that was after the fact that bill

835
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 4: has gone through. I mean that's we you know, that

836
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: should have been done well and truly before that, I mean,

837
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Speaker 4: it's all well and good to go after it, you.

838
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: Know, and there's been some slanging and then they met

839
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: with each other. I thought that would have been an

840
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: interesting one.

841
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: Was a meaning between the Chief Justice and the Attorney

842
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 3: General yesterday.

843
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: I would have loved to have been a fly on

844
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Speaker 2: the wall for that one.

845
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 5: We're in this position with corrections, okay, because of the

846
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 5: mismanaging corrections for the last eight years, there hasn't been

847
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 5: that investment in corrections. And I've said it time and

848
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 5: time and time again. For every buck you invest in.

849
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 2: Police, you got to invest a buck fifty in your

850
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: justice system.

851
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 6: Well that's not true.

852
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: Round a million dollars have invested in the last budget

853
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 4: into correction that they actually through, come through and rush

854
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: these pieces.

855
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 5: I've seen what labor did to the budget and corrections.

856
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 2: They cut the guts out of it, they shucked and

857
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: industries all the good work that we did. Labor got

858
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: in and just.

859
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 4: Creed one hundred million dollars was put into the budget

860
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 4: last year into corrections, and then you've come in and

861
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 4: rushed through the legislation because the implications for right years, No.

862
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Speaker 1: They're going to take a bit of a break. Well,

863
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Speaker 1: if you've just joined us, you've missed a very busy

864
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Speaker 1: hour in the studio is of course bill Ya, Matt Cunningham,

865
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Speaker 1: and Duran Young. And before we wrap up for this morning,

866
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: health has indeed been on the agenda this week. We

867
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Speaker 1: know the federal government making the announcement to overhaul Medicare.

868
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: We also know though that it was then announced throughout

869
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: the week after that big announcement that health insurance, well,

870
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: if you've got if you've got private health insurance, you're

871
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: going to see your premiums jump up by an average

872
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: of three point seventy three percent from April one. A

873
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: lot of people, if you live in the Northern Territory

874
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: potentially questioning exactly what that's going to mean for you.

875
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: Given the fact that last week we talked about the

876
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: maternity services at Darwin Private Hospital and the issues we've

877
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: got there, we now know that maternity services at the

878
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: hospital have been extended for a little bit longer, So

879
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: they're now going to stay open until June six, meaning

880
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: meaning forty five of those one hundred and fourteen families

881
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Speaker 1: impacted by the original closure in mid April will now

882
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Speaker 1: be able to have their babies at the Darwin Private Look,

883
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that that it's a

884
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Speaker 1: bit of a shambles the private health at this point

885
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Speaker 1: in time.

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Speaker 3: We're paying more and getting less, is what you're telling.

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00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm saying, Yes to.

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Speaker 5: Put it, And I don't think we're the line, certainly

889
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 5: not the line ranges here in the territory. It's happening

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00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 5: right across the country, and it's unfortunate seeing those maternity

891
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 5: services closing down here. But at LASA NT your Health

892
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 5: is now stepping up to pick up that gap for

893
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Speaker 5: those families, which is good to say. I'm glad to

894
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 5: hear that the private is going to stay open for

895
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Speaker 5: a little bit longer to give some surty to those families.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, it's good to see Territory Health stepping into

897
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Speaker 5: pick up.

898
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 3: What's the justification for the seven plus percent increase? Inflation's

899
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: at two point five percent at the moment, and health

900
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: insured with other insurances. My home insurance went up like

901
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 3: thirty percent last years astronomical.

902
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: Well, and this is I think what's going to be

903
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: a really big issue, as everyone's saying for the federal

904
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: election is you know, we're all thinking, all right, is

905
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: the election going to be called because that rate cut

906
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: had happened, But that rate cut really isn't actually outweighing

907
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Speaker 1: all the other living expenses that continue to go up.

908
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 5: We're soon to drop an hour and that interest rate,

909
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Speaker 5: but this is the other cost living expenses continue to climb.

910
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the services don't feel like they're getting better.

911
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: You know, what you're paying for doesn't feel like it's

912
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: actually getting any better, which I think is the real

913
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: kick in the guts. But anyway, what day do we

914
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Speaker 1: reckon this federal elections? When's it going to happen? I

915
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: think I asked you this last week too, Matt Well.

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Speaker 3: I think you know predictions are unwise, especially about the future,

917
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: but it's looking more and more likely.

918
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Speaker 2: I'll give you.

919
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 3: I'll give you too. They'll both be wrong, I promise

920
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 3: his prediction. What prediction One is that the government will

921
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: hand down the budget and won't go to the polls

922
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: until May. I think they think they're in trouble and

923
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Speaker 3: they want another rate cut and potentially a few budget sweetness.

924
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: But that that is based on nothing. My other prediction

926
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Speaker 3: is that sometime between now and the federal election, during

927
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Speaker 3: the federal election campaign, there will be a major announcement

928
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 3: reather Darwin Port. You saw Luke Gosling had a big

929
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: op ed in the paper on Monday. I reckon the

930
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: deal will get done to somehow buy the port, return

931
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: the port something because and it'll be largely I mean,

932
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Speaker 3: there's security reasons behind it, but it'll be largely political

933
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Speaker 3: reasons because labor will know that that'll play very well

934
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Speaker 3: for them in this election, which they are.

935
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Speaker 2: Worried about losing.

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Speaker 5: And it's funny, Luke's been pretty quiet on the Port

937
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 5: for lots of years, and all of a sudden he's.

938
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Speaker 2: Out to be fair.

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00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: He's always he's always been harkish on the Port. He's

940
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Speaker 3: always said it was a bad deal, and he's always

941
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: said it to but he's absolutely on the front foot.

942
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 5: We're doing a lot of work in that space at

943
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 5: the moment because we've got to make sure we're getting

944
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Speaker 5: the best deal for people of territory on that.

945
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, absolutely, I've been on it.

946
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Speaker 2: Since before December, working.

947
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Speaker 1: For what are you working on getting it back?

948
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Speaker 5: Well, what's going on on the port in particular, once

949
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Speaker 5: we found out that there's issues around that breach of

950
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 5: a bond one hundred and ten million dollar bond and

951
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 5: what that actually means as far as debt, solvency and

952
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 5: all sorts of other things going. So I've been in

953
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Speaker 5: discussion with the federal government since December last year on

954
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 5: this and the federal governor actually working with us on

955
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Speaker 5: those issues around the Port. I can't say too much because,

956
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Speaker 5: as you probably know, it's fairly confidential, but yeah, we.

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Speaker 3: Go for an and a half an hour.

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Speaker 2: Will We've been working on this for a while.

959
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Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap up. Sorry, Gang

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Speaker 1: Daran Young, Labour's deputy opposition leader. Great to have you

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Speaker 1: in the studio, mate, Thank.

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Speaker 4: You, Thank you Katie and to your listeners and also

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Speaker 4: to Matt and Bill as well.

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Speaker 1: It's been a good morning. Matt cunning home from Sky News.

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Speaker 3: Thank you to Turan and as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thank you everybody that's here as well. Everybody.

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Speaker 5: Enjoy your weekend. What's going on and Dale on this weekend,

968
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Speaker 5: so get out and enjoy that sort of half nice

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Speaker 5: weather while you can.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Good on you all, Thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us this morning on the week that was