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Speaker 3: This chat, I'm joined by two queens from RuPaul's Drag
Speaker 3: Race down Under season three. We have this week's eliminated contestants,
Speaker 3: Ivanna Drink and the most talked about queen from this
Speaker 3: series so far, due to that very scary moment where
Speaker 3: she fainted in front of Rupe. Paul we have Ivory Glaze.
Speaker 3: Ivory Glaze brings beauty and glamor to the stage with
Speaker 3: a love of fashion. Her looks are always very polished
Speaker 3: while always pushing a lot of boundaries. By day, she
Speaker 3: works at a bank, but that doesn't hold her back
Speaker 3: at night when she gets her drag on. Avana Drink,
Speaker 3: you may know, has an iconic IMDb credit before doing
Speaker 3: Rue Paul's that of the role of hooker Number two
Speaker 3: on Netflix Cowboy Bebop, but now is ready to update
Speaker 3: her IMDb to include the credit of the infamous Rue Girl.
Speaker 3: Havannah is often found at Kluozy Cabaret as a resident
Speaker 3: MC and showgirl. Also widely known the fact that Ivana
Speaker 3: is one half of the Ultimate Drag Power couple. She
Speaker 3: is married to Anita Wigglett from season one. I will
Speaker 3: find out what really happened after Ivory fainted and what
Speaker 3: the drag community of the world has been saying to
Speaker 3: her online. Avanna Drink will talk about that latex, how
Speaker 3: she prepared, and which catwoman was her true inspiration. We
Speaker 3: will discuss everything from the pressures of the competition, the
Speaker 3: highs and the lows, plus who nearly took on Jackie
Speaker 3: Gillies from the Real Housewives Melbourne for this season Snatch Game, Plus,
Speaker 3: we will get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes
Speaker 3: of RuPaul's Drag Race down Under, which is now available
Speaker 3: to watch on Stann Australia. Anyway, let's bring Ivory into
Speaker 3: the podcast first and stick around for Havana, who will
Speaker 3: be popping in straight after. So I hope you guys
Speaker 3: enjoy this special look at RuPaul's Drag Race down Under
Speaker 3: season three. Have you been having fun chatting to everyone?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. It's been really nice.
Speaker 3: Do you know what It's so bizarre that, you know,
Speaker 3: you've had this experience where your moment, which is like
Speaker 3: broken rup whole's sort of history, has happened a week ago,
Speaker 3: so you would have had a lot of people already
Speaker 3: interacting with you about that whole experience. Has that been strange?
Speaker 2: It's been strange.
Speaker 4: I mean I kind of knew that was going to happen,
Speaker 4: to be honest, like I was expecting it. I wasn't
Speaker 4: expecting it to be received so well. I thought people
Speaker 4: were just going to, like, you know, hate on it,
Speaker 4: but people seem to really enjoy it. So I'm very
Speaker 4: happy for the I'm happy for the love.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling it.
Speaker 3: I actually thought, when I watched it, are people going
Speaker 3: to debate as to whether or not the fainting was real?
Speaker 2: And did they?
Speaker 3: That's what I want to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 4: A few people were like, oh my god, like this
Speaker 4: is such an attention grab blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway,
Speaker 4: I learned how to restrict comments and that patients online.
Speaker 4: I don't see that anymore. I deceive that love.
Speaker 3: It's so bizarre, though, because like, if you watch that,
Speaker 3: maybe it's the edit of it, but there's no way
Speaker 3: that that was faked because the look on your face.
Speaker 3: It only happens for like maybe three seconds, but I've
Speaker 3: seen someone faint before, and that's exactly that look that
Speaker 3: comes over your face, and you can't faint that, you know.
Speaker 4: No, And like I mean, obviously you can't see it
Speaker 4: on camera. But I was wrenched in sweat. I like
Speaker 4: woke up in like this big cold sweat, and that's
Speaker 4: why I asked to go outside because I needed to
Speaker 4: like get air.
Speaker 2: Because I was drippen. I was strippen.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what series of housewives it was. But
Speaker 3: there was a Housewives season where someone fainted, Oh, Lisa
Speaker 3: vander Pump, she fainted during Dancing with the Stars and
Speaker 3: it was so clearly faked that she got literally everyone
Speaker 3: coming for her. And I was like, yeah, but you
Speaker 3: clearly faked that. Where with this it was like it
Speaker 3: felt authentic to me.
Speaker 4: So I imagine if I was like, nah, it was fake.
Speaker 4: I did it for TV. I got the screen time.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine can you.
Speaker 3: Imagine if we're talking about it now in this podcast,
Speaker 3: but like, you know, now's the time to just reveal that, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm an attention seeker and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it worked.
Speaker 3: I spoke to like a few different queens from different
Speaker 3: seasons from season one and season two, and all of
Speaker 3: them were like they'd heard about it, like through the
Speaker 3: Great Front because obviously this is the drag Race gazette
Speaker 3: or something, but yeah, all the feedback that had been
Speaker 3: given to them was that you know that this this
Speaker 3: moment had happened. And I guess that's the last thing
Speaker 3: you want when you're on RuPaul's drag Race is to
Speaker 3: have something like that happen.
Speaker 2: I guess, of course.
Speaker 4: And that's like another thing and when people are like, Oh,
Speaker 4: you faked it. I'm like, do you really think I
Speaker 4: would want to embarrass myself in front of RuPaul like that?
Speaker 4: Like the shear like horror on my face when I
Speaker 4: like look up and Rue is like staring at me,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh my god, what just happened?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, get me out of this room. I
Speaker 2: can't be here.
Speaker 3: But how long was it until they got you back? Like,
Speaker 3: as in, so did you have any like when Rue
Speaker 3: decided to open episode three with the lip sync? Like,
Speaker 3: how much time did you have to prepare for that? Oh?
Speaker 2: It was the next morning. We like lip synced at
Speaker 2: like eight in the morning.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Did you feel like coming back at that point?
Speaker 3: Did you go, oh, I'm going to get this or
Speaker 3: did you think that you were being brought back to
Speaker 3: finish that story off? Like how much did you think
Speaker 3: that that was going to be your final moment?
Speaker 4: To be honest, On the day that I passed out,
Speaker 4: I did get to go to my hotel room early,
Speaker 4: and I was like in my fields a lot, and
Speaker 4: I was chatting with the show therapist and I was
Speaker 4: kind of like, honestly, I'm so embarrassed, Like I don't
Speaker 4: want to go back, like this is like ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I just want to come home.
Speaker 4: But she managed to like ask, She asked if I
Speaker 4: wanted to speak to someone for my season to kind
Speaker 4: of like see if that's really what I want to do,
Speaker 4: because you know, when someone's just done something that they're
Speaker 4: going to be a bit you know, skitzy. So I
Speaker 4: had someone come over in the evening and we chatted
Speaker 4: about it, and I was like, okay, you know what,
Speaker 4: like you're right, like, let me just go and do it.
Speaker 2: And you know, if I go home, I go home.
Speaker 2: If I don't go home, then I don't go home.
Speaker 4: You know, like at least I haven't had any regrets
Speaker 4: and I don't have any, like I don't you don't
Speaker 4: want to quit, but like I can understand when queens
Speaker 4: do quit because it is a lot going on. But
Speaker 4: I'm glad that I came back. I did it, and
Speaker 4: the rest is history.
Speaker 3: I was talking to a few international queens as well
Speaker 3: about it who's seen it, and they were also saying
Speaker 3: everyone who's been on that show has had that split
Speaker 3: second thought of that could happen to them during their
Speaker 3: time on the show, that oh god, what happens if
Speaker 3: I faint. So it's something that's so big. I don't
Speaker 3: know even though if you understand the gravitas of that,
Speaker 3: but you've kind of like made such an impact on
Speaker 3: that show because of all of these other people that
Speaker 3: have done it before are like that could have been me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a little bit here and there from
Speaker 4: some girls like sharing it on Twitter and stuff, being
Speaker 4: like this, I can absolutely understand this.
Speaker 2: This is like very real, which is good.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like not validating, but you know, it
Speaker 4: helps my cause to say that it was genuine to
Speaker 4: start with. But it also kind of like highlights you know,
Speaker 4: like it's a tough, tough competition, it's a tough, tough time,
Speaker 4: and you kind of have a bit more. I guess
Speaker 4: it puts into perspective to people that may not understand
Speaker 4: how intense it is to be there, and it kind
Speaker 4: of like elucidates that, you know, it brings it to
Speaker 4: light to people that like this is like really serious
Speaker 4: to these people and like they're under a lot. So
Speaker 4: hopefully maybe people cut other queens some slack in the future.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much do it mean to you
Speaker 3: to get on the show, Like.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, like I was at a crossroads in
Speaker 4: my life, right. So I've been working at the bank
Speaker 4: for five six years almost, and I was kind of
Speaker 4: due to find a new career.
Speaker 2: I'm not like crazy.
Speaker 4: It's very hard to be a full time drag queen,
Speaker 4: and it's very hard to do it without an opportunity
Speaker 4: like Drag Grace to be a full time drag queen.
Speaker 2: So I applied for the show with.
Speaker 4: A bit of encouragement from one of the season two girls,
Speaker 4: and I got on and I was like, this is it.
Speaker 4: This is like the point of my life where I
Speaker 4: can take control and do things my way and what
Speaker 4: I want to do. And it was so important for
Speaker 4: me to like be there and you can see it
Speaker 4: in episode one, and I'm so emotional. It's because I've
Speaker 4: put so much like like this is what i want
Speaker 4: to do, this is my dream, and I'm like screwing
Speaker 4: it up right now, And you know, if you go
Speaker 4: home early. Typically like not saying it will happen, but
Speaker 4: it's it's typical that they don't do as well outside,
Speaker 4: Like how I go in this competition will define how
Speaker 4: I be as a drag queen for the rest of
Speaker 4: my life, which is not true in hindsight, but that's
Speaker 4: kind of like it was. It was so important for
Speaker 4: me to like do well, and I just put so
Speaker 4: much like I'm so excited and happy and like I
Speaker 4: can finally do this. Then you know, things turn out
Speaker 4: the way they turn.
Speaker 2: Out for reason. But yeah, do I answer your question?
Speaker 2: I can remember the question.
Speaker 3: So you did. I don't know. I got lost in
Speaker 3: it as well, because I think you really do have
Speaker 3: an interesting story with this, and you know what I
Speaker 3: want to say to you though from what this show,
Speaker 3: but also for commenting on reality TV for as long
Speaker 3: as I have it isn't who wins the show that
Speaker 3: gets the big career. You know, there's people that have
Speaker 3: been on this show who've been in two episodes that
Speaker 3: I have superseded sometimes the winner in that season. So
Speaker 3: this is really a jumping off point and it's up
Speaker 3: to you as to what story you want to tell,
Speaker 3: you know, after this experience, and.
Speaker 4: To answer that question. That was kind of a question,
Speaker 4: but I'm going to turn it into a question anyway.
Speaker 4: The story I want to tell is if you fall down,
Speaker 4: pick yourself back up. It's not the end of the world.
Speaker 4: If you really want to do this, just fucking do it.
Speaker 4: Give it your best shot, and you know you don't
Speaker 4: know what can come out of anything, so things cross
Speaker 4: it all goes well, I'm going to give it a
Speaker 4: red hot go. But yeah, you're totally right, and it's
Speaker 4: what you do with a lot of people will say this,
Speaker 4: they'll say, it's not how you do on the show,
Speaker 4: it's what you do after the show. And so as
Speaker 4: long as you've got your head screwed on and you
Speaker 4: know what you're doing and you're having a nice time
Speaker 4: of being lovely to everyone, you should be able to
Speaker 4: be all right.
Speaker 3: You just smissed out on the Housewives Challenge, and I
Speaker 3: was curious to ask you about that. You know, who's
Speaker 3: your favorite housewife in the housewife franchise? It sounds like
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with thatx This is the second time I
Speaker 3: brought it up. But you know who is your favorite
Speaker 3: housewife and who would have been your inspiration?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed Real Housewives of Melbourne, So I watched
Speaker 4: that all a few times and actually on fact for
Speaker 4: the season two audition because I was just doing it.
Speaker 2: Because it was lockdown and you know, you want to
Speaker 2: just do something in drag for the season two audition.
Speaker 2: I did Jackie.
Speaker 4: Jackie Gillis, that's my Snatch Game character, so I definitely
Speaker 4: would have been her and the challenge, like you know
Speaker 4: when she's like I can see something with the angels
Speaker 4: and she just like yes, shine shy and shy and
Speaker 4: you just like flash everyone on the thing that I
Speaker 4: was so ready that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, knowing Jackie as well as I do, she'll hit
Speaker 3: you up. She'll definitely slide into your d MS about
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 2: Well, Jackie, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 4: I nearly took you for a Snatch Game this year,
Speaker 4: and I know you have a deep pop and I
Speaker 4: was about to buy one of your dresses to wear
Speaker 4: for the Snatch game on Deep so like I was ready.
Speaker 3: I was ready, My god, oh my god. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the This is Ruphols
Speaker 3: down Under. So we're getting the Australian and we're getting
Speaker 3: the New Zealand Queens together. Do you notice or do
Speaker 3: you recognize the difference in the styles of drags between
Speaker 3: those two countries.
Speaker 4: We're quite similar. I think it's a pretty common trend.
Speaker 4: I will say maybe, oh, I'm going to get in.
Speaker 2: Trouble for this.
Speaker 3: That's great, that's good for my podcast.
Speaker 4: Okay, good, here's the use for you now. No, I
Speaker 4: will say maybe New Zealand drag is a little less
Speaker 4: polished typically than down on the Drag, But I also
Speaker 4: think that correlates to the amount that they get paid
Speaker 4: for their gigs, and like they don't get paid as
Speaker 4: much over there than they do in Sydney.
Speaker 2: For instance.
Speaker 4: So you can only invest as much as you make, right, Well,
Speaker 4: that's like the rule of some girls, don't fucking spend
Speaker 4: more than you make.
Speaker 3: Did you hear about that last week? Those someone can't
Speaker 3: remember where you Obviously you might have Google alerts. I've
Speaker 3: got Google alerts on all of Rupoul's. But someone had
Speaker 3: spent two hundred and fifty thousand dollars on outfits before
Speaker 3: doing the American series. Did you read that?
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm on Twitter babes as though it before it
Speaker 4: even broke out on Google. Yes, I did. I did
Speaker 4: read that, and I think that is insane. But they're
Speaker 4: going to look beautiful.
Speaker 3: Do you know how much am I allowed to ask
Speaker 3: you about this without looking in your bank account? How
Speaker 3: much money you spent before doing the show?
Speaker 2: I spent around eighteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Wow, I think you did such a great job on
Speaker 3: the show. And everyone that joins the podcast asked them
Speaker 3: this question, and that is what's something from behind the scenes,
Speaker 3: something that we didn't get a chance to see, something
Speaker 3: from may not necessarily to reveal how the show is made,
Speaker 3: but just a funny story about what it was like
Speaker 3: to be on ru Poles for you.
Speaker 2: I actually have a fun story. I do have a
Speaker 2: fun story.
Speaker 4: So on one of the first days of filming, we
Speaker 4: get transported from the hotel to set via like a
Speaker 4: minivan and usually like this a pa or like someone
Speaker 4: quite knew that's doing that sort of job. Anyway, So
Speaker 4: one day, instead of parking out the front like they
Speaker 4: normally did, they want to go into the garage of
Speaker 4: the hotel to park. And I don't know what had happened,
Speaker 4: but they had crashed the van into the roof of
Speaker 4: the hotel garage.
Speaker 2: And then so all ten of us are there in
Speaker 2: this van, like, oh my god, what just happened? Added
Speaker 2: the funniest like, oh, sorry, girls, I think we might
Speaker 2: have hit something.
Speaker 4: We were like glasses falling from the ceiling, Like I
Speaker 4: think you hit something.
Speaker 2: But getting out of here.
Speaker 4: So that's that was a funny moment that obviously was
Speaker 4: not going to be shown on camera.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm pretty sure the rupol's got insurance, so yeah,
Speaker 3: it would have been coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine, it's covered.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Have a great time chatting with the media about this season,
Speaker 3: and I can't wait to watch what you do with
Speaker 3: this whole experience. I think there's there's a lot waiting
Speaker 3: for you, so just enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. It was so nice chatting with you.
Speaker 3: Interesting to unpack the fainting with Ivory. I really did
Speaker 3: appreciate her telling us about her journey with that. But
Speaker 3: now let's welcome Evana Drink into the podcast and guys,
Speaker 3: I hope you enjoy this second part of the chat.
Speaker 3: This is a podcast, but people really need to see
Speaker 3: how good you look right now, Like you look phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Thank you say that again so everyone really gets the gist.
Speaker 1: I look phenomenal. I'll say it.
Speaker 3: Buy the T shirt. It's the inspiration though for your
Speaker 3: look today. It's so good.
Speaker 1: I'm really honest. I'm wearing sweetpants and this leotard is
Speaker 1: like a good thing to wear because I can pull
Speaker 1: the sweetpants above. It was just the easiest thing to wear.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're so good. Can I just say
Speaker 3: it was so funny. I was watching this episode, but
Speaker 3: I turned to my partner and I was like, I
Speaker 3: am obsessed with this catwoman look. Thank you? Did you
Speaker 3: prepare that catwoman look before going into the competition? Like,
Speaker 3: how did you get that much latex together?
Speaker 1: Well, I actually found a really fabulous latex designer based
Speaker 1: in LA And when I was preparing for the show.
Speaker 1: We obviously don't get given runways until a bit further along,
Speaker 1: but after you been cast, and so I really like
Speaker 1: to I plan ahead because we're in New Zealand and Australia,
Speaker 1: like things take forever to get here. I reached out
Speaker 1: to a lot of designers beforehand, and I was kind
Speaker 1: of planning my looks and I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to make every look quite different, Like I don't want
Speaker 1: to be wearing similar silhouettes or similar patterns or similar designers,
Speaker 1: because I want to kind of explore the different fashion
Speaker 1: because I'm a corporate drag queen at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. Like a lot of the stuff I wear
Speaker 1: was very sequins and Bangkok Thailand kind of stuff, because
Speaker 1: that's what the straight audiences love anyway, I knew I
Speaker 1: really wanted to have something made from Latex. So I
Speaker 1: reached out to Jane earlier before I even got the runways,
Speaker 1: and I said, I want you to work with you.
Speaker 1: I don't know where what it will be. I don't
Speaker 1: know when I will be able to tell you what
Speaker 1: it is, but I know that I really want you
Speaker 1: to make it rest me. And she was like, of course,
Speaker 1: like let me know, and like and that's where it
Speaker 1: came from. I was like Latex like Villains, bad Girls, Catwoman,
Speaker 1: black Latex, how sixy and how fabulous? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not I never want anything like it. And I was like,
Speaker 1: this is immediately pres eight.
Speaker 3: It was so good, but also your performance, Like I
Speaker 3: don't know how much you know about the character, but
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with Catwoman.
Speaker 1: The thing I like the most about this particular outfit
Speaker 1: it was it was very conservative, but at the same
Speaker 1: time so sixy and so I really wanted to honor
Speaker 1: Michelle Fife as Catwoman were as opposed to like Ann
Speaker 1: half Away's or Halle Berry's, who are both great in
Speaker 1: the role. But you know, like it was just that
Speaker 1: particular vibe funnily enough, like I knew what I looked
Speaker 1: like in their outfit, and I really wanted to be
Speaker 1: as sixy as a possibly ki, But I moved like
Speaker 1: that normally That's how I do shows. So it was
Speaker 1: kind of like me as Catwoman, as me doing a
Speaker 1: show to Adam Lambert's I need a hear.
Speaker 3: People are going to think I'm so strange for saying this,
Speaker 3: but like I could see Batman, the animated series Catwoman,
Speaker 3: I could see Julie Numar, I could see all of
Speaker 3: these other Catwoman performances. So maybe I've read too far
Speaker 3: into it and maybe just laughed.
Speaker 1: About what I actually like. I grew up watching those shows,
Speaker 1: you know, like the Batman, the Batman cartoon, and I
Speaker 1: always gravitated towards the female and the feminine characters.
Speaker 3: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I mean, probably because I'm a big homo, but I
Speaker 1: just I just loved Like we would play Tick. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever played the game Tick, and
Speaker 1: I would always choose the female characters because they were
Speaker 1: my favorite, and I honestly, in my mind, they were
Speaker 1: the most powerful ones. Like if you wanted to beat
Speaker 1: someone up, you would go for like memal Christie, and
Speaker 1: I just like energy I love and you know I
Speaker 1: sit in it into you earlier that the best part
Speaker 1: about Dragon what inspires me is that feminine energy. It's
Speaker 1: the feminine form, it's it's the hourglass figure. You know,
Speaker 1: it's every single part about what makes a woman a woman,
Speaker 1: no matter if you were born one or not, if
Speaker 1: y I is what I like to incorporate in my drag.
Speaker 3: When you're doing the lip sync, though, did you have
Speaker 3: any idea as to who's going home? Because you know,
Speaker 3: we've obviously watched this show for an extraordinary long time,
Speaker 3: and you always think, do the queens know? Can they
Speaker 3: feel it in their bones? Who's going to stay and
Speaker 3: who's going to go?
Speaker 1: No, you can't. And you know it's such a situation
Speaker 1: because you watch it at home and you go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're aware of what's going on around them, blah blah blah. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what that lip sync was like
Speaker 1: because I just blacked out. Like you know, when you
Speaker 1: go through trauma like a car crash or you break something,
Speaker 1: and you kind of forget the moments around that particular trauma.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like that, Like I was so in
Speaker 1: the moment. I don't remember Adam Lander. I I don't
Speaker 1: even think I even saw the judges when I was
Speaker 1: doing this performance.
Speaker 2: I was doing it.
Speaker 1: I was just doing it for myself. I think I
Speaker 1: looked at the cameras most of all. But no, I
Speaker 1: honestly can't take anything. I don't even know what Reader
Speaker 1: had done during netlip sync, or even what I did
Speaker 1: in the end as well, because it's just all a
Speaker 1: blur to me.
Speaker 3: Do you just get the one shot like I always
Speaker 3: feel like you able to do it twice? Or do
Speaker 3: they do any pickups or anything, or it's just literally
Speaker 3: that thirty seconds or however long it is and you
Speaker 3: just got to Gopher broke.
Speaker 1: It's like a minute and a half I think, or
Speaker 1: a minute something like that they do.
Speaker 3: It feels like thirty seconds to me. It feels so stressful.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it's like in the moment, it's the longest song
Speaker 1: you're ever do in your life. But then you watch
Speaker 1: listen to Oh this is actually so short, And I
Speaker 1: was so lucky to have like this, I know this song,
Speaker 1: so I was so happy that I didn't have to
Speaker 1: spend a lot of iff it trying to learn the lyrics.
Speaker 3: It's so this is so bizarre, But like throughout the show,
Speaker 3: you were saying, I wish people could see me for
Speaker 3: this version of yourself that you didn't feel like you
Speaker 3: were presenting to the camera. I'm talking to you right now,
Speaker 3: and I'm seeing a very different person like I'm you
Speaker 3: are much more confident, Who're so engaging, You're so well spoken,
Speaker 3: so articulate. What happens to your mind when you put
Speaker 3: the pressure on yourself to be on a show as
Speaker 3: iconic as this.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it was, you know, Like I
Speaker 1: went into the show knowing everyone knows who I'm married to,
Speaker 1: and she did well, she did well second season, but
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's just the way the cookie crumbles
Speaker 1: everyone and I knew how loved she was, and I
Speaker 1: felt there was a lot of pressure on me to
Speaker 1: to not compete, but you know, be on the same level.
Speaker 1: A lot of it was also coming to myself with
Speaker 1: my own person because I knew that Peop would be
Speaker 1: like as automatically Asso sit me to be married to Anita,
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously there's nothing wrong with that because
Speaker 1: I chose to do it, but at one point, you
Speaker 1: want to be your own person, you want to be
Speaker 1: taken taken on for who you are, but also having
Speaker 1: that in mind, and it kind of just was like
Speaker 1: a lot of different clashing thoughts and different ideals of
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do or how I wanted to
Speaker 1: portray myself and kind of also at the same time
Speaker 1: build a brand with myself. And you're doing all of
Speaker 1: this well in front of through fucking Paul. You know,
Speaker 1: there's just like a lot there's a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: in that situation, and when it's all you're thinking about
Speaker 1: because you're so immersed in this world and this environment
Speaker 1: that it's kind of all there is to think about,
Speaker 1: so you kind of overthink things and then and then
Speaker 1: you kind of you know, they always say you're in
Speaker 1: a sebate, and it's true. You really do have one,
Speaker 1: and it comes and it fucks things.
Speaker 3: Up so bizarre because like you know, just watching you today,
Speaker 3: like it's the version that you were talking about in
Speaker 3: that episode where you're like, I wish they could see this,
Speaker 3: and everyone agreed. You know, sometimes when you watch someone
Speaker 3: say something on reality TV, they're like, oh, I wish
Speaker 3: I was this because I'm that everyone looked at you.
Speaker 3: Everyone was like, yes, yes, you are that person. Why
Speaker 3: aren't you bringing this? What is going on exactly?
Speaker 1: I was in that workroom every day, making everyone laugh,
Speaker 1: the cast and the crew and like having a laugh
Speaker 1: with everyone. Like when I left, there was a cameraman
Speaker 1: who saying Chaz and for some reason, he would always
Speaker 1: be around when I was getting undressed, and so we
Speaker 1: had this running joke that Chairs was a pervert and
Speaker 1: he just wanted to see me naked all the time.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, Chairs, when I'm gone, You're
Speaker 1: not going to be able to like to pervot anybody
Speaker 1: else now, and he was like oh, and it was sad.
Speaker 1: It was funny. I went to Melbourne after filming ended
Speaker 1: and before we were all announced, and I was able
Speaker 1: to connect up like hang out with Gab and Ash
Speaker 1: from the show. And it's so funny because Ash said
Speaker 1: to me, She's like, oh, you do sound different when
Speaker 1: you're in drag And I was like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: like really who I am? Like I talk so different,
Speaker 1: I'm so high energy, I don't have an inside voice.
Speaker 1: I'm constantly yelling, and so I was like, okay, well
Speaker 1: this is this is who I am, you know, and
Speaker 1: now I've grown, I've learned, and if you've ever seen
Speaker 1: it on an All Stars and hint, this is what
Speaker 1: you'll see.
Speaker 3: I feel like, for me, you're a no brainer if
Speaker 3: there was an All Stars, because I feel like, if
Speaker 3: they do it, they're going to bring you with Anita,
Speaker 3: so we can watch that because we love we love
Speaker 3: reality TV, we love being a fly on the wall.
Speaker 3: But I just feel like, you know, we would love
Speaker 3: to watch the dynamics of a married couple being on
Speaker 3: the show and seeing how you both interact, if it's
Speaker 3: if it's toxic, if it's lovely, if it's you know.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine stand original series behind the lashes I've.
Speaker 3: I mean for it. You don't understand, I'm so do
Speaker 3: you don't how many questions I have for you about
Speaker 3: the whole thing. I'm like, I wondered whether or not
Speaker 3: you know you being in a relationship with Anita was
Speaker 3: a good or a bad thing for your story because
Speaker 3: you are your own person. I don't necessarily think my
Speaker 3: relationship defines me, so I don't necessarily believe that your
Speaker 3: relationship with Anita to finds you either, And I wondered
Speaker 3: how much of that impacted your time on the show.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it was a no brainer for me,
Speaker 1: for me when I went to knowing that, you know,
Speaker 1: the fans love Anita and they love these types of storylines.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the drag the drag Race factors, first
Speaker 1: married couple to compete on a drag race franchise, and
Speaker 1: you know, I knew that there was going to be
Speaker 1: a lot of love and an interest in that because
Speaker 1: it's not it's not something you see every day. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like we we're married
Speaker 1: obviously who I mentioned a lot. Everyone knows about this
Speaker 1: by now, and we are who we are. We like
Speaker 1: we compliment each other. I think we do, and I
Speaker 1: think he would say the same. We compliment each other
Speaker 1: and you know, like we we we we're a couple
Speaker 1: that really base our values on being kind, being courteous,
Speaker 1: and being professional. And I think in a way, being
Speaker 1: able to show who I was with the pressure behind
Speaker 1: me of being Anita's husband was you know, it was
Speaker 1: it was tough. Like I'm not gonna say that it
Speaker 1: wasn't because it's hard. You know, you're or you being
Speaker 1: compared to someone. It's like like a brother or a sister,
Speaker 1: and they actually like, quite, they're better than you. Well
Speaker 1: that's what you think. They're better than you. They do
Speaker 1: sports better or whatever. You're like, you're always going to
Speaker 1: be that person's brother, that person's sister, and it's the
Speaker 1: same in this situation. I'm always going to be Anita's husband,
Speaker 1: and I think reversed. I was seeing that the satur Day.
Speaker 1: Actually she won't be known as Alana's husband. You know,
Speaker 1: she got that fear chance to show who she was.
Speaker 3: It's a hard dynamic. It's a really hard dynamic because
Speaker 3: I genuinely believe you are so strong and that you
Speaker 3: would have been picked to do the show without any
Speaker 3: connection to her whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think I was. I was.
Speaker 1: You know, my audition video versions for the show was
Speaker 1: very much who I am today.
Speaker 3: You know. It was.
Speaker 1: It was lively, it was fun, it was energitic, and
Speaker 1: that's why Rue chose me.
Speaker 3: You know, is there a formula though? That's what I
Speaker 3: want to know? Like it see, because you're married to
Speaker 3: somebody who got on the show, who successfully applied and
Speaker 3: got on, and then I think, you know that might
Speaker 3: have been the advice that Anita was able to give you.
Speaker 3: Is this is what you need to say, this is
Speaker 3: what you need to do to get on the show.
Speaker 3: Were you able to lean into some.
Speaker 1: Of that, No, not necessarily, Like she did help me
Speaker 1: with the with the filming and process, and she kind
Speaker 1: of guided me on like different aspects of it, like
Speaker 1: you maybe have more energy here, maybe say this differently,
Speaker 1: maybe do that. But it wasn't like don't say this,
Speaker 1: you should say like this because then they'll want you on.
Speaker 1: It was definitely my audition tape. I would release it.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm allowed to. I don't think
Speaker 1: I am, but I would release it because it's wwa
Speaker 1: ii am you know, like everything I said on that video,
Speaker 1: I don't regret. There was no it was. I was
Speaker 1: representing myself and that's that was a big take. That
Speaker 1: was a big thing I wanted to do when I
Speaker 1: went on to the show, was I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say things I wouldn't say in real life. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to add to drama just for the sake of
Speaker 1: adding to drama. I'm there to represent who I am
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, people are going
Speaker 1: to watch and be like, oh, what a bird she was,
Speaker 1: and that's not who I am like, I don't want
Speaker 1: people to meet me in real life and be like, wow,
Speaker 1: you're not actually as bitch as you were on the show,
Speaker 1: because that doesn't do me a service.
Speaker 3: No, and that does happen though, like is in so
Speaker 3: much of your control gets taken away from you because
Speaker 3: the narrative of putting that whole show together sometimes means
Speaker 3: that we do seem to have a certain lick of
Speaker 3: the character that they're interested in putting forward. You know
Speaker 3: what I mean. I have so many questions. I literally
Speaker 3: could talk to you for all day, but I'm just
Speaker 3: going to go with some quick ones snatch game. Who
Speaker 3: was it going to be?
Speaker 1: I'm not saying because I want to do it on
Speaker 1: All Stars.
Speaker 3: Okay, so when you went home, who did you think
Speaker 3: was going to wear? Not what you know now, but
Speaker 3: like coming out at that point, who did you think
Speaker 3: was going to take the competition out?
Speaker 1: I don't think we're about to answer this question.
Speaker 3: I guess the best thing to ask you is my
Speaker 3: last question, which is that I ask everyone who joins
Speaker 3: the podcast, and that is what is something from behind
Speaker 3: the scenes that you can share with us, kind of
Speaker 3: like maybe a funny anecdote.
Speaker 1: I has so many of these little things. I've got two.
Speaker 1: I'll give you two, okay, right, I love it. I
Speaker 1: actually have a scar on my nipple because of the
Speaker 1: mic peck burnt me and it was such a soft
Speaker 1: heat that it kind of just like was on all
Speaker 1: day and without move So I've got a scar right
Speaker 1: underneath it. Now you'll see in the second episode if
Speaker 1: you look at when I'm getting out of drag or yeah,
Speaker 1: I think out of drag, you'll see a plaster just
Speaker 1: below my nipple that's from that a bit of yi.
Speaker 1: I made the mic so feel so sad.
Speaker 3: After that, so funny. If people don't talk about this,
Speaker 3: but you know, when you're miked up on a reality show,
Speaker 3: it's such a weird experience when you're not. I remember,
Speaker 3: like after Big Brother, for a good two weeks, I
Speaker 3: kept thinking that my mic pack was still on. Like
Speaker 3: I remember putting my seatbelt on in the cur and
Speaker 3: re arranged how I put the seatbot on because I
Speaker 3: thought I had a mic pack still on. And my
Speaker 3: partner was like, oh my god, you're so deranged after
Speaker 3: doing this.
Speaker 1: Honestly, you could become such a thing, right, Like I
Speaker 1: literally would go up to him his name was Lars,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like that, and he would put it
Speaker 1: on for those of you listening, and my hands are
Speaker 1: up in the air. He would put it on and
Speaker 1: I'd be like cool, thank you, and then you do
Speaker 1: the shake shape shake, and then you need to count,
Speaker 1: and then it'd be like, yeah, we can hear and cough,
Speaker 1: and that would be it. It wouldn't even be like a
Speaker 1: thing I'd ever think about the design challenge. I didn't
Speaker 1: make the edit, which sucks, but me and Floor had
Speaker 1: just kind of like literally just lost ourselves. We were
Speaker 1: so tired and were so over it, and we would
Speaker 1: We were on the floor literally rolling around for maybe
Speaker 1: an hour and a half just laughing about everything like
Speaker 1: her dress, my dress, my zip, calling ubers to take
Speaker 1: us home because we were done, and it was just
Speaker 1: so fun. That was my That was my favorite memory
Speaker 1: of the show.
Speaker 3: All Right, I'm gonna let you go, but I'm I'm
Speaker 3: just good luck with it all. I just think you're
Speaker 3: so fantastic. I'll be in your audience.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, nice to me. You've been