1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Just before we get into this episode, we wanted to 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: issue a trigger warning. We will be discussing themes around suicide. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: Coming up on today's show. 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: The US fitness influencer who's on trial after being accused 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: of selling a bogus fitness plan, the scarily realistic TikTok 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: glamor filter that's going viral. L Derby reveals she was 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: suicidal after tweet scandal, and a UK reality star jailed 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: for OnlyFans revenge porn. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: twice a week. 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: I'm Kate Torbert and. 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: My phone was absolutely inundated with messages from you, Sophie, 13 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: after a rather embarrassing moment at the hairdresser. Yeah, you know, 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: when something embarrassing happens to you, and to make yourself 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: feel better, you've almost got to tell every single person 16 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: that you know. 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: Is that why you're talking on the podcast about it? 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: Pretty much? 19 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: And I want to talk about it because I feel 20 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: like a lot of other people could relate. So I 21 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: was at the hairdresser and it was the heaviest day 22 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: of my period, and for any blonde out there, they'll 23 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: know that you do sit there for a number of hours. 24 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: I got pulled over to the basin and I was 25 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: sitting there probably for half an hour while my hair 26 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: was washed out and I had treatments put in, and 27 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: you know when you lie back, and I was thought, oh, 28 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: this is a bit sketchy. I don't know how this 29 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: is going to go. Anyway, got back up, sat down 30 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: in the chair, had my hair dried off, and thought, oh, no, 31 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm all right. Anyway, went up, paid for it, then 32 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: thought might popped to the bathroom. I go to the bathroom, 33 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: I turn around and I have the largest period bloodstain 34 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: on the back of my pants I think I've ever seen. 35 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: And you're not even being melodramatic. 36 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: It literally looked like I had been shot in the leg. Yeah, 37 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: I know, because I remember you were like being so 38 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: over the top of the messages and I'm. 39 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: Like, surely it's not that bad. 40 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: And then you sent it the photo and I was like, 41 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: holy shit, it looks like a crime scene. I just 42 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: don't know how you didn't realize. 43 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: Until you went to the bathroom. 44 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: It was because you know how you wear those big 45 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 1: apron things, you know, the big black thing it covered 46 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: my pants, so I didn't really feel it, and no 47 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: one else could see it at the time until I 48 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: walked to the bathroom and the bathroom was out in 49 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: this little courtyard area, and I thought, because I already paid, 50 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: I thought, can I. 51 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: Escape because I don't have to walk back through. 52 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: Thankfully, my hairdresser is a family friend, and I rushed 53 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: to her and I said, oh my god, I blend everywhere. 54 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: It's a crime scene. And she was so sweet. She 55 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: got me, do you want to towe? Darling? 56 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: Do you want to tow? And then she stood behind 57 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: me and blocked it whilst I walked out. 58 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 2: That's a good friend and a good hairdresser. 59 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: Luckily you're wearing jeans, so because remember on Degrassi that 60 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: famous moment where she's wearing a white skirt, Well, I 61 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: think it was just as bad. They were light blue jeans. 62 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: And I stupidly didn't have a jumper with me because 63 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: usually I just you know, chuck a jump around my waist. 64 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's like not like you could have 65 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: just taken your single it off and walked out topless. 66 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: I want to know if this has happened to anyone else. 67 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: I'm sure how in an. 68 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: Embarrassing situation like this make sope you feel better? Tell 69 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: us your bad period stories in the Facebook group. 70 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: Hello YouTube, and welcome back to my channel. 71 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: US Influenzer Britney Dawn Davis is facing trial overclaims her 72 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: online fitness brand engaged in deceptive practices that negatively impacted 73 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: customers with eating disorders. The thirty one year old is 74 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: the first influencer to have their social media empire probed 75 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: by a jury. Before we dive in Sophie, who is 76 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 1: Britney Dawn Davis. While Brittany became a fitness and lifestyle 77 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: influencer after competing in a number of bikini competitions and 78 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: also bodybuilding events, and over her nine years online, she 79 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: has attracted one point three million followers on TikTok and 80 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: four hundred and seventy six thousand on Instagram. 81 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: So Brittany launched. 82 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: A business called d Dawn Fit in March twenty fourteen, 83 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: claiming it promoted a holistic approach to health. She even 84 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: touted herself as an eating disorder soldier on social media. 85 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: And this is despite the fact that, like many other 86 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: fitness influencers, she has no professional fitness or nutrition training. Now, 87 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: Brittany began selling custom fitness and diet plans priced between 88 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: ninety two dollars and three hundred dollars, as well as 89 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: her own personal time that she would give to each 90 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: client to work on their custom plans. So clients began 91 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: to realize that they allegedly had been given similar or 92 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: near identical plan and they never got that face to 93 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: face time with Brittany. 94 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: Now. 95 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: Many people began to start complaining on Brittany's Instagram account, 96 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: but she allegedly deleted their comments, and one of Britney's clients, 97 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: who previously suffered from an eating disorder, spoke to Dallas 98 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: Media saying she paid one hundred and fifteen dollars for 99 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: a custom plan, but said she never received specific guidance. 100 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: She continued saying, the red flag started to go up. 101 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: It was not individualized. I was not part of this 102 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: team Britney Dawn. It set me back. It actually pushed 103 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: me back to my eating disorder. Now. By twenty nineteen, 104 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: those who claimed to be scammed by Brittany began contacting 105 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: each other on Facebook and started a petition called Stop 106 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: Britney Dawn Fitness Scams. That petition has now amassed over 107 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand signatures. Now. All of this led Brittany to 108 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: apologize in a now deleted YouTube video. She said, I 109 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: apologize to anyone who feels like they got scammed from me. 110 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: I now realized that I should have had more help 111 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: and that this is a lesson. I'm having to learn 112 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: the hard way, and for that I am sorry. Brittany 113 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: also appeared on Good Morning America, saying she had taken 114 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: full responsibility for her mistake and that she did whatever 115 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: it took to make things right now. Brittany is being 116 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: sued by the state of Texas, and according to the lawsuit, 117 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: at least fourteen customers making the complaint are people with 118 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: eating disorders. Britney has denied taking on such clients, though, 119 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: according to the lawsuit, one client message Britney saying I 120 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: truly need guidance, help, the right information and support right now. 121 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: Currently have an eating disorder, horrible body image views, and 122 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: am underweight for my height. Rather than providing individual coaching, though, 123 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: the lawsuit says, Britney simply gave generic and non substantive 124 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: feedback such as that's my girl, you're killing it, and 125 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: you've got this babe. Just the typical Instagram response. 126 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, bit of copy and pasting going on in the 127 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 2: dms there. What's pretty crazy is this is the. 128 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: First time a social media empire is set to. 129 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: Be pro by a jury. 130 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: I feel like followers everywhere want to get their hands 131 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: on the juicy details of just how much money. 132 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: She made from these fitness plans. 133 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: So this isn't just the court of tattle life, is it. 134 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: This is a real court that this case is going to. Yeah, 135 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: and it's actually led by a jury. So it'd be 136 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: interesting to see how that jury is picked. Because, as 137 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: we mentioned, she's got one point one million followers on TikTok, 138 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: She's got a huge audience on Instagram. It would be 139 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: hard to find people that potentially hadn't heard of her. 140 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: Not necessarily though, because even though we have an influence 141 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: of podcasts, there are people with like millions of followers 142 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: that I. 143 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: Have no idea about that are Australian. 144 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: So she's in America where her name is huge. She 145 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: was on the Good Morning Show, she's been in all 146 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: these newspapers. But if they can find a jury to 147 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: be sit on a trial for the Kardashians versus Black China, 148 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: I think they can find a jury for this. I'll 149 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: just go to like the over fifty, like the men. 150 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: I'll have no idea who she is. 151 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: Well, it appears like the defense team is trying to 152 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: conceal the vast amount of money that Brittany did make 153 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: from these fitness plans. So they provided documents which outlined 154 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: just eleven percent of what she made, whereas the prosecution 155 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: is saying that she flat up made one point five 156 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: million dollars since opening up her fitness account and since 157 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: putting these plans out there. That's crazy because doesn't it 158 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: just show you how much these fitness influencers are making, 159 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: Like to make one point five million dollars on just 160 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: sort of one drop of a fitness product is insane, 161 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: particularly for a fitness plan that allegedly hasn't given its 162 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: customers what it said it would. There's clearly a lot 163 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: of money floating around here. How much is Britney being 164 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: sued for or they are seeking between two hundred and 165 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars and also one million dollars, So there 166 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: is a lot of money on the line for Brittany 167 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: now admits all the controversy. Brittany pivoted and rebranded herself, 168 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: moving away from the fitness world to find God. So, 169 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: after issuing apologies, she took a break from social media 170 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: in late twenty nineteen and returned as a Christian influencer. 171 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: So she addressed the changes, saying, fitness and health are 172 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: no longer my identity. My identity is christ You guys know, 173 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: I went into a season of hiding when everything happened. 174 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: I heard God say, stop trying to hide what I'm 175 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: using Now. Skeptics have found the rebrand suspiciously convenient. What 176 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: do you guys think about it? It does seem rather 177 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: convenient that her target audience is now a group of 178 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: people whose beliefs center on forgiveness. It does, And I 179 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: think by rebranding, she's moving from that old image, seemingly 180 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: in the hope that people won't connect it's her anymore. 181 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: Why doesn't she just go away, like if she doesn't 182 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: want to be on social media anymore? Why is it 183 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: like suddenly she's got to come back and. 184 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: She's going to be a different kind of influencer. 185 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: It's a new money making scheme really, because she now 186 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: runs a ministry called She Lives Freed, so she offers 187 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: religious conferences. It cost one hundred and twenty five dollars 188 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: a ticket, and during these courses speaking in tongues is 189 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: encouraged throughout the crowd. So it just seems like another 190 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: way to make a buck. And she did lose hundreds 191 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: of thousands of followers when this whole controversy around her 192 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: fitness plans went out there, but she's now gained much 193 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: of this following back since rebranding herself as a Christian influencer. Now, 194 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: despite her attempts to have this new rebrand and come 195 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: out fresh, controversy is still following her. So Brittany's husband, 196 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: Jordan Nelson, who appears on her platform and actually provides 197 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: marital advice with her, has come under fire. So Jordan 198 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: is a former police officer and he was sued back 199 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen for excessive use of force against a 200 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: black man, and in October twenty twenty one, the couple 201 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: caused controversy when Brittany announced in a monetizer video that 202 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: her husband shot and killed her dog Brodie instead of 203 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: taking him to the vet after he was hit by 204 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: a car. Brittany has also faced further backlash after sharing 205 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: her self debunking conspiracies like the twenty twenty one Astro 206 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 1: World tragedy, where she blamed it on demonic activity. Unsurprisingly, 207 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: there is currently a subreddit thread for Brittany which is 208 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: called Britney Dawn Snart, and that has attracted thirty eight 209 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: thousand members, and it has more than tripled since the 210 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: Fitness Planned lawsuit was filed. So one user referred to 211 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: the trial as the super Bowl of snark, whilst another 212 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: wrote can't wait, I am so pumped. Brittany has threatened 213 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: legal action against a number of those posting in the 214 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: group for defamatory comments, and she has spoken about being cyberbullied. 215 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: I can understand both sides of. 216 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 2: The equation here. If you are someone who was being ripped. 217 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: Off, I can see how therapeutic it would be to 218 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: join a group where you can talk about how enraged 219 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: you are and how unfair it is. But on the 220 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: other side of things, if you have thirty eight thousand 221 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: people all saying. 222 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 2: Shit about you, it would be incredibly upsetting. 223 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: I think in that instance you can't sue thirty eight 224 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: thousand people, so you've got to just stop. 225 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: Reading the thread. 226 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: It really does show you the power of these Reddit threads, 227 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: because I'm assuming that the people who are now suing 228 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: Brittany are all from one of these Reddit or tattle threads. 229 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 2: They've all united together and try to make her right. 230 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: If they hadn't started speaking, they wouldn't know that they'd 231 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: been ripped off and just provided this run of the 232 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: meal diet. 233 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: Plan was put out to everyone. 234 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: I actually think this court case, even though it's happening 235 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: in the US, I think a lot of Australian influencers 236 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: will be watching on and seeing, you know, this is 237 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: something that could potentially happen to them. Comment below what 238 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: ordered from KFC. UK reality star Stephen Behar has been 239 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: found guilty on all counts in his high profile revenge 240 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: porn trial involving Love Island's Georgia Harrison. The thirty two 241 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: year old has been sentenced to twenty one months prison 242 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: for sharing private sexual videos and photos of Georgia to 243 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: his OnlyFans account. Now, so this is one of the 244 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: most high profile cases of its kind in the UK. 245 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: That's right. 246 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: The celebrity nature of both of these parties has made 247 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: this court case huge news in the UK. So Stephen, 248 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: who goes by the nickname Bear, appeared on our screens 249 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: eleven years ago. Really, I can't believe it's been that long. 250 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy. 251 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: So the first show he appeared on was Shipwrecked, then 252 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: it was X on the Beach, the Challenge just the 253 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: to two of Us, and he even won Celebrity Big 254 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: Brother back in twenty sixteen. I just remember him dating 255 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: Charlotte Crosby and being a real dick to her. Well, Jin, 256 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: it's pretty gross because he has had a string of 257 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: high profile partners, but a lot of them have been 258 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: from Geordie Shaw. So he also dated Vicky Pattinson. Yeah, 259 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: so he met her on X on the Beach. He 260 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: also dated Gary Beadle's ex Lily. 261 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: Wow, she's really keeping it in that little family now. 262 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: In recent years, Bear's TV career has sort of gone 263 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: down the drain and he's instead phibitted and launched a 264 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: career on OnlyFans now moving on to his ex Georgie Harrison. 265 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: She is now a social media influencer. She has one 266 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: point one million followers. She did briefly appear on the 267 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: Only Way as Essex and then a couple of years 268 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: later on Love Island. In twenty seventeen, she also appeared 269 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: on Celebrity X, on The Beach, War of the World's Too, 270 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: and The Challenge, So she is very much known in 271 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: the reality TV space as well. See I can't really 272 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: place her on Love Island. I've googled her and she 273 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: looks familiar, but I don't remember her being a big 274 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: part of the series. Well, she must have been to 275 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: get one million followers, or maybe was from the subsequent 276 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: other reality shows she appeared on, Yeah. 277 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: I think so. 278 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: Do you know what I found really interesting about this 279 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: case is that they actually revealed how many subscribers Bear 280 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: had on OnlyFans, And normally people don't come out and say, oh, 281 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: I've got this many. So he has won over one 282 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: thousand subscribers on Only Fans, which I thought his subscribe 283 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: account would be a lot higher. But then again, who's 284 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: interested in seeing some washed up nobody who's been on 285 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: real reality shows? I kind of feel like the female 286 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: creators get more followers than the males. Well getting into 287 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: what actually happened. So in August twenty twenty, Bear and 288 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: Georgia were filmed on Bear's CCTV cameras having sex in 289 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: his garden, and Georgia told the court she did not 290 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: know they were being filmed, and I told Bear. 291 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: Not to share the footage, she said. 292 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: He went on to share it on WhatsApp and also 293 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: online on his OnlyFans account. Now Bear claimed that he 294 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: had deleted the footage that day and had not shared 295 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: it with anyone other than Georgia. Now, when you say share, 296 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: what he actually did was through only fans. He sent 297 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: it as an extra option for people to pay for, 298 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: so he didn't just upload it on his feed. He 299 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: actually gave people with option. You know, you can pay 300 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: x amount extra to see this video. So he thinks 301 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: that's okay because it wasn't content, It was just an 302 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: add on. Now Bear has been found guilty on two 303 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: counts of disclosing private sexual photographs and films with intent 304 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: to cause distress. He was also found guilty of voyeurism. 305 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: Now Judge Morgan said Bear had been motivated by a 306 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: wish to exploit the economic value of the recording, and 307 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: that he had caused Georgia extensive humiliation and embarrassment. He 308 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: continued saying, I'm sure that you recognize the enhanced economic 309 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: value to you by having Georgia Harrison, a well known 310 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: reality TV and social media personality, in the video. I 311 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: am not surprised by Bear's behavior at all. I feel 312 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: like his behavior has increasingly gotten worse and culminated in 313 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: this point where he has now been publicly shown out 314 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: to be a very bad person. And I'm very proud 315 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: of Georgia for speaking out about this behavior because she 316 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: had the option to remain anonymous, but wanted to speak 317 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: out and encourage others to do the same if they're 318 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: caught up in this revenge porn situation. I wonder what 319 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: this means for only fans because Bear was able to 320 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: make around seventy thousand Australian dollars by sending out this video, 321 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: Like what happens with the money? 322 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: Does he have to pay it back? 323 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: And also is only fans implicated in this revenge porn Well, 324 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: the thing that was quite disturbing is that Bear turned 325 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: this whole trial into a circus and he clearly saw 326 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: it as a marketing tool to promote his new website. 327 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: So he was banned from only fans and he since 328 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: came out with this website where he posts pornographic videos instead, 329 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: and critics accused him of milking the court case to 330 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: just purely promote this new website, so whilst on trial, 331 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: he posted a clip on the site and also Twitter 332 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: depicting a sex act with his new girlfriend. She's a 333 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: twenty three year old onlyfan star. Her name is Jasmine 334 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: Morral and she has one million followers on Instagram. So 335 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: the pair got together last year when Bear posted a 336 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: call on Twitter for a girlfriend to settle down with. 337 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: The couple are said to be planning a wedding in 338 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: Turkey next year. I don't know how his time in 339 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: jail fits into those plans, and she has been by 340 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: Bear's side during the whole trial. So he attracted attention 341 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: arriving in a Rolls Royce and he dressed in a 342 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: variety of very garish and out their suits and coats. 343 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: He also posed with a gold and silver cane, as 344 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: well as puffing on a huge cigar, so it was 345 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: clear that he was trying to get a lot of attention. 346 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: There was a lot of paparazzi, there a lot of media. 347 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: He also posed for selfies outside of the court and 348 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: there was this one scene I saw on YouTube where 349 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: he was surrounded by reporters. He was being thrown all 350 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: these questions and he decided to break out into songs, 351 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: so he was treating the whole thing as a joke. 352 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: It's disgusting here actually looks like is it the candy 353 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: Man or that guy? 354 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that's the sort of. 355 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: Brand that he's leaning into at the moment. I wonder 356 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: how it goes in jail. Can he be producing pornographic 357 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: content behindly not? But a lot of people are saying 358 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: that he thinks he's making more of a name for 359 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: himself by having this notoriety around the court case, and 360 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: there'll be even more interest and intrigue. 361 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: To me, it's a very sad story. 362 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: It seems like someone who has given fame and attention 363 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: at such an early age, and he has become addicted 364 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: to that attention and fame to the point where he 365 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: will try and sell out others just to get his 366 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: own way and get more attention. Good morning, Everyboday. 367 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 2: Good morning everyone. 368 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: Before we jump into this topic, we're just issuing a 369 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: trigger warning as we will discuss themes around suicide. Elle 370 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: Swift is the latest influencer launching a podcast. The controversial 371 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: UK YouTuber released her first episode last week, revealing she 372 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: was suicidal after offensive tweets she wrote as a teenager resurfaced, Amy, 373 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: can you give us a refresher of this incident. Yeah, 374 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: we spoke a lot about this scandal on the podcast 375 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: as it was unfolding last year, So just a quick recap. 376 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: On New Year's Day in twenty twenty two, racist, homophobic 377 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: and fat phobic tweets Elle had written when she was 378 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: fourteen and fifteen resurfaced online. So the backlash was swift 379 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: and there's no pun intended, and Elle was essentially canceled 380 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: and she spent almost six months offline. 381 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 2: Now, when I saw. 382 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: LL drop this podcast, I had a look and not 383 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: thinking that name sounds very familiar, and then I realized 384 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: it's almost exactly the same name as Ashy Bines's new podcasts. 385 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: So L's podcast is called Growing and Glowing, well as 386 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: She's is called Grow and Glow. It's ironic because they're 387 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: both such controversial figures. I know they're obviously doing a 388 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: lot of growing and glowing. Is it wrong that I 389 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: got growing and showing in my head when I grow? 390 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: Or Yeah? And on the topic of names, I notice 391 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: L introduced herself as Ellie rather than L. And I've 392 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: always thought her name was pronounced L as it's spelled 393 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: E L L E, and also because she calls her 394 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: fans an gels. However, I've been seeing different things online. 395 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: I've been seeing on tottle they're saying, no, it's Ellie. 396 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: We had people messaging us saying it's Ellie. I'd like 397 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: to know in our Facebook group, is it L or 398 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: Ellie or just both? That L is just a nickname 399 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: for Ellie's I've heard it refer to herself as L 400 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: Darby as well. 401 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: I think it can be both. I don't know. I'm 402 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 2: very confused. Let's stick with L for now. Yes we will. 403 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: So the first episode went for an hour and twelve minutes, 404 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: and I feel like I really took one for the 405 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: team listening to the first twenty minutes in particular, did 406 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: you do it in fast forward? 407 00:18:58,840 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 2: No? 408 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: I didn't, stupidly, and the start was just so repetitive. 409 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: She kept saying the same thing over and over again. 410 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, get on with it. 411 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: I want to hear about the cancelation, and I haven't 412 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: gonna be honest, there was a lot of wanker talk 413 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: about mantras and very woo woo stuff that I just 414 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: really wanted to tune out of and it felt very 415 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: contrived because I feel like Elle is really keen to 416 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: push that she's changed and she's a better person. And 417 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: I just feel like a lot of influencers rattle off 418 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: this stuff about manifestation and all this crap that I'm 419 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: just not interested in. 420 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: I don't buy into it. 421 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: We need a producer to say, let's get down to 422 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: the dirt. Let's get to what everyone actually wants to 423 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: hear on this podcast. If she has to kind of 424 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: preface all that, otherwise people think that she hasn't learned anything. 425 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: It's about proving that she's learned something, even though we 426 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: know she probably has it. I just think it's absolute nonsense. 427 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. And people just think that 428 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: they're so deep for spilling out this crap because they 429 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: don't really get it, and they know that no one 430 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: else gets there, but no one wants to admit they 431 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: don't get it because they're not deep exactly. So in 432 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: the podcast blurb, Elle promised to take listeners back to 433 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: the starf of her journey in self development and. 434 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 2: Discuss the ego death that brought her to where she 435 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: is today. 436 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until the twenty seventh minute mark of 437 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: this podcast that things actually began getting interesting. So Elle 438 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: said when the tweets initially emerged, she was convinced someone 439 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: had photoshopped them because she didn't recognize them at all. 440 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: She said she didn't believe that she would. 441 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: Have written something like that, and in the days and 442 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: months that followed, Elle said, for the first time in 443 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: her life. 444 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 2: She felt suicidal. 445 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: And to put that into perspective, Elle hasn't had an 446 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: easy life. Her mum was diagnosed with brain cancer when 447 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: Elle was eighteen and sadly passed away seven years later. 448 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: Elle said when her mum was first diagnosed with cancer, 449 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: she suffered from depression. However, she says her mental state 450 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: was the worst it's ever been following the tweet scandal. 451 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: She said she felt even worse when her mom passed away, 452 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: and I think that really puts it into perspective about 453 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: how bad she must have felt and the trolling that 454 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: she was receiving. She was copying it left, right and center, 455 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: not only from people online, but this was a huge 456 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: meeting story in the. 457 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: UK as well. 458 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: I think it would have also been really difficult because 459 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: her son was only about six months old, and she 460 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: recalled this moment where she was holding her baby son, Saint, 461 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: and she said that as soon as he was born, 462 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: she felt like she had this purpose in his life 463 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: to be his mum. However, at that moment, she said 464 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: she was searching for purpose and couldn't find it, and 465 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: she said that she just didn't want to be here 466 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: anymore and wanted. 467 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 2: To die now. 468 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: L reiterated that she wasn't looking for sympathy, but as 469 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: a listener, I found it really hard not to feel 470 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: sympathy for her. And I think you can feel sympathy 471 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: for L and still condemn the horrible things that she 472 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: said as a teenager. I don't think it has to 473 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: be black and white and be like an eye for 474 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: an eye. It's really fascinating to see the other side 475 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: of cancel culture because people generally go into hiding, but 476 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: you don't often hear what they're actually going through mentally 477 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: and just how hard it hits them. Because when you 478 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: think of being celebrities or influences for some reason, you 479 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: just don't think that it's that big of a deal. 480 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: And at the time, there was a lot of discussion 481 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: around well should L be canceled because the comments were 482 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: made such a long time ago, and it was a 483 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: very divisive topic of whether, you know, we should hold 484 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: her accountable for these comments. Now, part of the interview 485 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: I found really fascinating was Elle talking about how the 486 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: cancelation affected her financially, because it's not something that you 487 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: often hear influencers talk about. She said, financially, our family 488 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: with a six month old baby overnight lost any form 489 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,239 Speaker 1: of income literally for the foreseeable future. She went on 490 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: to say that she was genuinely considering starting a whole 491 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: new career path in a totally different area and was 492 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: never going online again. 493 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: Now. 494 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: It did make me wonder, though, how much of a 495 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: financial hit they did take, because she later revealed that 496 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: she had security sitting outside her home while her and 497 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: her husband slept, and she explained that she was having 498 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: these intrusive thoughts about people breaking into her house. Let's 499 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: throw to what she said. 500 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 3: I was convinced, convinced myself in the middle of the 501 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 3: night people would come in and do horrendous things to 502 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 3: my baby in front of me while I or they 503 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 3: would like murder my dogs or my husband or me. 504 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 3: These intrusive thoughts were so bad that we had to 505 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 3: see it with security outside our house. 506 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: Wow, the threats must have been pretty bad at that 507 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: time for her to put security in place and have 508 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: these sorts of thoughts. You can see why though, because 509 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: look at Molly May. I mean, she's huge in the 510 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: UK and she was robbed. She's got security now, maybe 511 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: that was a bit of a warning for her. Particularly 512 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: when influencers put out so much information about their whereabouts online, 513 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: there would have just been a treasure trove of information 514 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: as to where she lived. Yeah. I remember in her 515 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: Christmas video she would share her light display out the front. 516 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: It was very obvious what the facade of her house looked. 517 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: Like was different. 518 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: Because when everyone loves you, you probably don't mind people 519 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: know where you live because they might drop you off things. 520 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: But when something like this happens, it changes in an instance. Yeah, Well, 521 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: one other thing that changed a lot for l were 522 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: her friendship. So she said she lost a lot of friends. 523 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: They literally vanished after this scandal, and she said she 524 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: ended up sending a text message to everyone on a 525 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: contact list basically saying that she's the most disgusting person 526 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: in the world and not to have anything to do 527 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: with her. She said, I'm not worthy of your love. 528 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: I don't deserve any good things because I'm a horrible person. 529 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: She sent this to her dad and her sisters as 530 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: well as she said like her hairdresser and everyone she'd 531 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: ever met. She said she just wanted to dig herself 532 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: a grave and jump into it and have her life done. 533 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: She was literally at rock bottom. The thing that I 534 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: find really troubling about this story is how these tweets resurfaced, 535 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: because it's quite clear that there's a large community of 536 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: people who go on these forums who detest these influences 537 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: or celebrities so much that they go out of their 538 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: way to destroy their lives. Well, it's like a witch trial. 539 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: Like I'm currently listening to the JK. Rowling witch Trial 540 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: I think it's called, which I would highly recommend. And 541 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: it's so fascinating to hear about that tumbler culture and 542 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: also the four Chan, how those two platforms worked against 543 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: each other in this sort of cancel culture era and 544 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: kind of created that. You can see why her friends 545 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: didn't want to have anything to do with her, because 546 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: even on tattle Life, any celebrity or anyone with notoriety 547 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: that was liking her posts or supporting her in any 548 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: way they in turn were canceled too, and you can 549 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: just see how desperate and upset Elle would have been. 550 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: She would have felt like she literally had no one 551 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: other than Con to lean on, because Con was also 552 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: copying it over some old tweets that he put out well. 553 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: As we were discussing in the last topic about the 554 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: fitness influencer Brittany. Sometimes these groups can actually bring people 555 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,239 Speaker 1: together for good, and sometimes they can do a lot 556 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: of bad. 557 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 2: It's interesting to look. 558 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: At councel culture because when an influencer does the wrong thing, 559 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: we do want them to somehow be deplatformed. But I 560 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: don't think anyone wants an influencer to get this low 561 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: where they're actually contemplating suicide. 562 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: Of course not. 563 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: Oh, I totally agree, and I think the whole cancelation 564 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: is very interesting because no one ever truly is canceled. 565 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: I mean, Elle has now released a podcast that was 566 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 1: very successful basically marketing herself as a changed woman and 567 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: and this rebrand of her. I did enjoy hearing her 568 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: talk about the process she went through to be a 569 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: better person, because she explained that the first step to 570 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: being a better person was going back to her fourteen 571 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: year old self and understanding her world and where she 572 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: was at that point to be so unhappy and so 573 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: full of hate. And without going into the detail, she 574 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: touched on some childhood trauma that she experienced, and she 575 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: said that there were things that happened in her childhood 576 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: that led her to be very unhappy and she didn't 577 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: process them at the time. And this childhood trauma actually 578 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: led Ale to have her first therapy session with the 579 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: school counselor at eleven, and she said that the counselor 580 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: got her to write a letter to an adult that 581 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: she was having issues with, and she wrote the letter 582 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: and gave it to the person and apparently they ripped 583 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: it up in front of her and threw it at her. Now, 584 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: that experience put her off from therapy. However, she did 585 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: try again at eighteen, and this was when her mum 586 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: was diagnosed with cancer and she was prescribed antidepressants and 587 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: also therapy. 588 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: She also went back to therapy. 589 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: When she was twenty one and or twenty five when 590 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: her mom passed away, but she just said she couldn't 591 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: actually get into it properly. She would go and then 592 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: not want to come back because she said she was 593 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: very avoidant and wanted to distract herself with other things. However, 594 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: when she was canceled in quotation mark, she said she 595 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: really stuck to therapy and has been going every week 596 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: for over a year and said it's really helped her. 597 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: And you can tell she's been going to therapy because 598 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: there is a lot of therapy speak amongst what she says. 599 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: But she did actually come across as really intelligent, which 600 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: I haven't seen a nerv loogs. Not to be rude, 601 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: but she's always going on about you know, materialistic things, 602 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: materialistic things, or watching TV or putting Christmas decorations up, 603 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: so I've never seen this side of her before. Are 604 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: you very surprised that she decided to speak about the 605 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: cancelation and sort of bring everything back up in the 606 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: first episode. I'm not because for her, she has to 607 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: acknowledge it in order to move forward, and I think 608 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: she knows that a lot of people want to hear 609 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: her speak about it. 610 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 2: And it also sets. 611 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: Up this rebrand for her because I really can see 612 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: her selling maybe a man infestation course or you know, 613 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: getting into that wu woo space more, and she needed 614 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: to speak about it. 615 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: Was actually very good marketing on her behalf. 616 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: And a podcast is a perfect platform for her because 617 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: it's more time she's able to speak her truth, she's 618 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: able to delve into issues. See Oprah term. I think 619 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: you've been listening to the podcast too much, but she is. 620 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: I mean, she could have gone on another podcast and 621 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: be interviewed about it, but she's gone, No, I'm going 622 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: to make my own podcast. As we said in previous episodes. 623 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: She's also rebranded herself as L Swift, not L Darby, 624 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: so it's a perfect marketing plan. Really, lookok, residence Lady 625 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: of Prahus speaking, it's my sister Violet, the one who 626 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: married the turf accountant. 627 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 2: He built that big house with Ronford of Sauna and 628 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: a pony. 629 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: The Bold Glamour filter went viral on TikTok last week, 630 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: marking a new era of hyperreality filters. Utilizing sophisticated AI technology, 631 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: The filter transforms people into a more airbrushed, glamorous version 632 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: of themselves. Now, this is very different to the dog 633 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: filter that we grew up with. Have you guys tried 634 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: it out yet? I, like everyone else on my tiktop feed, 635 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: tried this filter out and I was expecting good things 636 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: because people looked so nice with it on, but it 637 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: made me look fucking ridiculous. I realized I wouldn't look 638 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: good with lip filer at all. I did see beck 639 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: Lomaz talking about how the filter didn't look good on her, 640 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: and she was saying that apparently it doesn't look good 641 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: on women who have masculine features. And I feel like 642 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: my jaw is quite defined it could be considered masculine, 643 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: So maybe that's why it didn't look good on me. 644 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: Did you guys have a look at yourselves in it? 645 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: I looked like a cartoon character when I put it on. 646 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,239 Speaker 1: It just looked odd. I wonder if it's because we 647 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: wear makeup and it's adding makeup on top of makeup, 648 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: because I have seen people look really good with it 649 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: and it look really natural. And I think that's a 650 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: scary thing about this filter, because it looks very realistic. 651 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't move or glitch on your face, looks realistic 652 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: on everyone but us. Yes, it just everybody look the same. 653 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: And now it's making me second guess what people actually 654 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: look like on my Insta story. Now, for those who 655 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: haven't tried the filter or are avoiding trying it for 656 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: them their own mental health, the filter narrows out your 657 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: nose and hollows your cheekbones. It also airbrushes your skin 658 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: and gives you a very contoured look. You literally look 659 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: like you've sat and had full cut Ashian glam, but 660 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: perhaps also a few visits to the cosmetic nurse as 661 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: well well. When I saw this filter, all I could 662 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: think about with the young girls whose self esteem is 663 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: going to be negatively affected by it, because you're not going. 664 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 2: To want to leave the house. 665 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: Can you imagine posting up videos of yourself to your 666 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: school friends and then having to rock up to school. 667 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: Obviously most schools don't allow girls to wear may cup, 668 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: but just ridiculous. I'm sure most people probably look better 669 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: without this bloody filter, but people are going to get 670 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: it in their heads that this is the way that 671 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: you have to look, because I'm sure a lot of 672 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: influencers have already started using this filter on their stories 673 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: and it gives this distorted view of how people actually 674 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: look when no one looks like that in real life. 675 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: You only have to see how much everyone jumped on 676 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: the blue eye filter bandwagon when Alex Earl started using it. Now, 677 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: the impact of this filter is already being seen on TikTok. 678 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: I keep seeing comments like this one. 679 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: So one young user wrote, I want to take this 680 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: filter to a plastic surgeon and order everything on the menu. 681 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: Another user said I tried this one and it made 682 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: me so insecure about the texture of my skin. Another 683 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: person referred to it as a confidence reducer, while someone 684 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: else wrote, so glad these filters existed only after my 685 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: prefrontal cortex fully developed. I do think it's wild when 686 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: you think back to when we were younger and psychologists 687 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: were concerned about barbies and the unrealistic beauty standards that 688 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: they created. Now young girls are having to deal with 689 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: having these ideal beauty standards literally projected directly onto their faces, 690 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: and the fact that they don't glitch makes it even 691 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: harder to detect. Now, can you imagine how much catfishing 692 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: is going to be going on now too? Well, that's 693 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: the thing, because when you're on TikTok, it does label 694 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: it as that you're used in the filter, But then 695 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: if you go and save that video off and put 696 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: it onto Instagram or YouTube, the disclaimer is completely gone. 697 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: And I mean, I know we were speaking about that 698 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: the filter makes us look ridiculous, but it's it's only 699 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: because we know what we actually look like. If people 700 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: are using this filter and people don't know what they 701 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: truly look like, it's going to be very confusing to 702 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: know if they're using a filter or not. I feel 703 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: like we're going to have to share in our Instagram 704 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: and TikTok just how ridiculous we look was this? It 705 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: is actually hilarious how bad we all look with this filter. 706 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: I keep seeing the videos where the person starts off 707 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 1: with the filter and then flicks it off, and you're like, 708 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: holy fuck, Like it's actually completely wild. And while there 709 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: is a lot of negativity going on online about it, 710 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: it has also opened up a lot of really good 711 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: conversations and people calling out that this is a very 712 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: unrealistic beauty standard, and a lot of people saying that 713 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: the filter should be banned. 714 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 2: Do you guys think it should be allowed on TikTok? 715 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: I don't see the use. 716 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: Of these filters other than making people feel shit about 717 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: themselves and deceiving others. What is the point of putting 718 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: a filter out there that doesn't look anything like you? 719 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: What is the fun in that? Well? 720 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: I can see one purpose would be if you wanted 721 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: to film a TikTok video and not do your makeup. 722 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: But the difference is that it's not just putting make 723 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: on you, it's actually, you know, narrowing your nose, giving 724 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: you bigger cheek bones. And I think the more that 725 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: we start using these filters, the more that we then 726 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: are very harsh on ourselves. And I think there are 727 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: people out there that use the filter because they don't 728 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: want to show up online looking like themselves. But in turn, 729 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: that just ends up making you feel every time that 730 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: you are online and you show your face that you're 731 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: not good enough. And I don't think that's a good 732 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: thing that we are pushing out. 733 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: There, Sophie. 734 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: On your point of what is the point of some 735 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: of these filters, I do love a good snapchat filter, 736 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: but I generally like when it makes you look really bad, 737 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: Like I love setting those kind of funny But that's 738 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: the difference because these are very ultra realistic filters that 739 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: are manipulating your face to make you feel better. But 740 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: as we started off by saying, it started off with 741 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: the dog filter and taking the piss out of you, 742 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: I mean that dog filter one Prince Harry over when 743 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: Megan had it on the first thing I want to 744 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: do after finishing this recording is see what Dale looks. 745 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: Like with this filter. 746 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: And I must admit, well, there are some men on there. 747 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 2: That I thought would look really weird, but they look better. 748 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: Do they look beautiful? 749 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: Is that what it is? It doesn't seem to make 750 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: them look like they've got makeup on. It just makes 751 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 1: them look younger and fresher. I suppose because it blurs 752 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: out their skin. Maybe well, I really want to go 753 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 1: try that filter on Dale. Here is down the hallway, 754 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: So I think we should wrap things up. This podcast 755 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people 756 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 1: of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past 757 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: and present, and if you would like to join in 758 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: on all the conversations, head over to our Facebook group 759 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: which is Outspoken at the podcast community, and don't forget 760 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: to follow us on Instagram and on TikTok at Outspoken 761 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: Underscore the Underscored podcast and we'll hopefully share a very 762 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: disturbing video of ourselves with the filter