Speaker 1: Life on Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose
Speaker 1: lands were never seated. We pay our respects to their
Speaker 1: elders past and present.
Speaker 2: Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was
Speaker 2: recorded on Drug Wallamuta Land. Hi guys, and welcome back
Speaker 2: to another episode of Life on Cut.
Speaker 3: I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and it's a what was that?
Speaker 1: Okay, I was just going to start this intro again
Speaker 1: because I just made a mistake. But let's just cause
Speaker 1: betas bade, none of us have really slept because we
Speaker 1: went to a performance last night, a concert of sorts.
Speaker 2: Da da no No. We are running on about four
Speaker 2: or five hours sleep today. And the reason for that is,
Speaker 2: I know, I said on the other week that it
Speaker 2: was going to be my first confide dancing with the stars,
Speaker 2: but then there was some like crazy ass production issues
Speaker 2: that happened.
Speaker 3: So last night was the night.
Speaker 2: Sunday night was the night I gived my little lass off.
Speaker 1: You really did, So it's a I don't know, Laura.
Speaker 1: Can we say where it is? Can we say where
Speaker 1: it's filmed? Can we say what we did last night?
Speaker 2: Or to be honest, I'm actually not even sure how
Speaker 2: much of it I'm allowed to tell you yet because
Speaker 2: obviously so the show Dancing with the Stars is pre
Speaker 2: recorded and we are competing now, and then it comes
Speaker 2: out I don't know a couple weeks, maybe a month weeks,
Speaker 2: who knows, who knows exactly when it comes out. But
Speaker 2: basically the competition has now started and I don't know
Speaker 2: how much I can tell you or can't tell you.
Speaker 2: But Britain Keisha were both there. My mother in law came,
Speaker 2: Matt came, my sister came with.
Speaker 3: It was a whole thing.
Speaker 2: It was a whole thing, and I embarrassingly threw my
Speaker 2: body around a dance floor in front of a lot
Speaker 2: of people.
Speaker 1: No, so it's out at a Sydney Olympic Park, which
Speaker 1: is like Homebush Stadium.
Speaker 3: Will you tell the details? And then I can't go
Speaker 3: in trouble the.
Speaker 1: Sign nothing you keep me on the show. It's out
Speaker 1: at Olympic Park, which is a great facility, but it's
Speaker 1: also an hour drive from us, and it was quite
Speaker 1: late at night, so we all went out there. We
Speaker 1: piled in and TV takes a long time to film
Speaker 1: like it does. There's a lot of setting up and
Speaker 1: a lot of redoing the set.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of time in between performances as well,
Speaker 2: Like everything when you watch on TV is like it's
Speaker 2: really snappy, it's really I mean, obviously they're making a
Speaker 2: TV show, but there's a lot of stopdowns in between
Speaker 2: each dance. And when there's a stop down between each dance,
Speaker 2: there's some poor guy in the crowd, which is like
Speaker 2: everybody gem and then everyone in the crowd has to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we woo girled.
Speaker 2: We were woo girls for six hours, six hours, six
Speaker 2: hours of wooing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kish and I were worked it out. We left
Speaker 1: the house for seven and a half hours. But to
Speaker 1: watch your one minute, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2: There's what like seven couples dancing and you get one
Speaker 2: and a half minutes out of each of them, so
Speaker 2: it's pretty much an hour. It was one and a
Speaker 2: half minute throwing bodies around a dance floor.
Speaker 1: Actually, when you do the math like that, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was worth It's that's seven hours no sleep
Speaker 1: was worth watching your one and a half minutes because
Speaker 1: there's nothing there's actually, you know, there's so much prep work, right,
Speaker 1: like we don't see you, we don't see the dances
Speaker 1: for a long time. You're in the audience for literally
Speaker 1: hours as they're going through what the night's going to
Speaker 1: be and prepping and showing you where people gonna come.
Speaker 1: If there's a fire, exit over here, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: we will run, don't worry, were out, It's okay. But
Speaker 1: then when the dancers start coming on, nothing makes you
Speaker 1: happier than like hearing the music, seeing people moving, seeing
Speaker 1: people have fun, and it like reinvigorates you with the energy.
Speaker 1: And then when you came out and did your thing,
Speaker 1: it was like we were just like screaming the whole time.
Speaker 3: You looked amazing. Okay, I know we can't.
Speaker 2: It's so shit because I want to tell you everything now,
Speaker 2: and as soon as I get fired, yeah.
Speaker 3: But I will get into a lot of travel from
Speaker 3: Channel seven.
Speaker 2: But as soon as I can tell you exactly what's
Speaker 2: going on, of course you will all be the first
Speaker 2: to know. But look, there is a real variation in
Speaker 2: skill set. Let's just say that there's some very very
Speaker 2: very good dances and then some very very not good dances.
Speaker 3: And I'm definitely on the not good side. No you are.
Speaker 1: I think you're sitting somewhere happy in the middle at
Speaker 1: the moment, there's room for improvement, but it could be
Speaker 1: way worse.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: Yes, there was poor I'm not gonna name anyone, but
Speaker 1: there's one couple that were to stand out for being terrible,
Speaker 1: but everyone loved them. I'm not evenna say if it
Speaker 1: was a man and a woman, everybody loved them.
Speaker 3: It was so endearing.
Speaker 1: There was just an unfortunate mishap in the dance, but
Speaker 1: there's always that. There's always somebody that is really no good.
Speaker 1: That's why they cast, Like when they cast the Bachelor,
Speaker 1: they cast the people that are gonna find love. They
Speaker 1: cast the people that are gonna be ridiculous and cause drama.
Speaker 3: Same with dancing with the stuff. It's definitely one thing
Speaker 3: I realized.
Speaker 2: So you train so hard for so long that you
Speaker 2: feel like if you're terrible, the whole of Australia is
Speaker 2: gonna look at you and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is so cringe.
Speaker 3: I'm so embarrassed for her or him when you like that.
Speaker 2: But watching everybody, the people who were genuinely terrible are
Speaker 2: probably my favorite dancers to watch because they're so cute, Like.
Speaker 3: It's I don't know, I don't say that a patronizing way.
Speaker 2: I just mean, like I will if you give them
Speaker 2: a bad score, I will protect them with all my
Speaker 2: heart because they're so.
Speaker 3: Happy to be there.
Speaker 1: Well, so you know when you're shit right, like oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really you do hurting me fucking clue, let me
Speaker 1: tell you that.
Speaker 3: But you know when you're bad, so you know what
Speaker 3: the score is going to be.
Speaker 1: And I think that at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: they're just I imagine you're just happy to be there and
Speaker 1: you've had fun. It's not like a legitimate competition that
Speaker 1: you haven't trained your whole life for it and you
Speaker 1: don't make the final like this is you, guys.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, there's nothing more clear than moving
Speaker 2: your body and realizing that the beat is not when
Speaker 2: you're moving it like halfway through and you're like, this
Speaker 2: is not in time, nothing about this is your fucking time.
Speaker 1: But I think also, you guys probably are all a
Speaker 1: lot harder on yourselves than what the audience sees. So
Speaker 1: in your head, not you, but like dancers, because there
Speaker 1: were a few people that made a couple of little mistakes,
Speaker 1: and then the way that they described it was that
Speaker 1: the mistakes were bigger than we saw. So you guys
Speaker 1: know you're making mistakes because you know the dance. The
Speaker 1: audience doesn't necessarily know that unless you've someone's dropped someone.
Speaker 1: A lot of the time we don't know just how
Speaker 1: big the mistake is. So I think I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I had fun. I had a great time.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see more dances.
Speaker 2: Well it's not very long away, okay, so it will
Speaker 2: be on TV in a couple of weeks time. You
Speaker 2: can all laugh at me together, or don't laugh at me, like,
Speaker 2: please get behind me.
Speaker 3: I need the sport. It's really really tomoralizing.
Speaker 2: But I'm doing my absolute fucking best, guys, and I honestly,
Speaker 2: as much as I've loved it, I cannot wait to
Speaker 2: never do a jive kick ever again in my entire life.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing, and I cannot wait for you to
Speaker 1: watch back, is to see your face, your facials.
Speaker 3: Your facials will liver and free in my mind for
Speaker 3: the rest of my life, and I cannot wait. It
Speaker 3: sounds like is this chicken tracks like this happening? Is
Speaker 3: this adrenaline? Why she just sculled five v's at the back?
Speaker 3: I was baked in adrenaline, fear and faked hand, just
Speaker 3: fucking all over that, Dancel. I would make sure we
Speaker 3: get some precious schedule.
Speaker 2: Let's get some freeze frames. When it happens, we can
Speaker 2: just do a series of my face. I know everyone listen,
Speaker 2: this is like, what are you talking about? But look
Speaker 2: it's coming and it's joyful. It's worth the way. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's a few things we want to talk about. On
Speaker 2: today's episode. We are interviewing Mark Borris, who do you
Speaker 2: know what. I loved this interview and for anybody who
Speaker 2: doesn't know who he is, he's literally like a business superstar.
Speaker 2: He's easily one of the most successful businessmen in Australia.
Speaker 2: He was the host of Celebrity Apprentice for a long time.
Speaker 2: You know, love our reality TV shows.
Speaker 1: And The Apprentice, The Apprentice and the Celebrity Prentice. Yeah
Speaker 1: he did both. Yeah.
Speaker 3: He told everyone that they're fired, you're fined.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was the one that had to point and be like,
Speaker 3: you're fired, you're fired now.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why I loved this chat is
Speaker 2: because you know, we do love our relationships. Here is
Speaker 2: the way he spoke about his business successes, but alongside
Speaker 2: his life challenges. And I say that because Mark himself
Speaker 2: has had three separate divorces, and I think from the outset,
Speaker 2: you can look at his life and think he has
Speaker 2: been so incredibly successful, which he has been, but he
Speaker 2: really talks about this concept of not being able to
Speaker 2: have it all and the priorities and where things sat
Speaker 2: in him life in terms of priorities, and how him
Speaker 2: selling his very first business for literally hundreds of millions
Speaker 2: of dollars half a billion dollars, half a billion dollars
Speaker 2: is what also cost him his long term marriage and relationship.
Speaker 2: And so it is a great conversation around not just success,
Speaker 2: but around divorce and around how priorities sit in life,
Speaker 2: whether that be your focus on work or your focus
Speaker 2: on relationships and connection.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nice to hear.
Speaker 1: It's actually quite refreshing to hear someone say the truth.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that as in other people don't,
Speaker 1: but you constantly hear this, you know, it's like the
Speaker 1: live Luf love thing, all the memes that go around.
Speaker 1: You do hear people say you can have it all.
Speaker 1: You fucking can't you if you work your ass off?
Speaker 1: You know, we all have the same hours in the
Speaker 1: day as Oprah whatever, if all of these things, like, yes,
Speaker 1: it's true, we do all have the same hours, but
Speaker 1: we know that this, you know, is surface level. The
Speaker 1: fact that he was like, you really can't have it all.
Speaker 1: You can have aspects of all of it. You can
Speaker 1: have a relationship and be really successful, but one of
Speaker 1: them is going to take precedence, and one of them
Speaker 1: is going to suffer. For Mark, his drive in life
Speaker 1: and what he lives for is work.
Speaker 3: It is business.
Speaker 1: He sold one business for five hundred million dollars. He
Speaker 1: still works constantly. He's constantly still doing things because it's
Speaker 1: his drive. It's what fills his coupets, what fulfills him.
Speaker 1: And he'll honestly say, I know my relationship suffer. And
Speaker 1: now moving forward in his relationships, he'll say, my partner
Speaker 1: now or whatever, whoever he will be with, has to
Speaker 1: understand that that is going to be a big part
Speaker 1: of his life. And they're going to have that conversation
Speaker 1: early on. And I think that that's probably something a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to hear, but it's the
Speaker 1: truth for him and for his life, and he knows
Speaker 1: now to move forward, if he's going to make a
Speaker 1: relationship work. He has to be really honest and say
Speaker 1: this is probably going to, you know, be more important
Speaker 1: than you.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting as well because we see this
Speaker 2: not just with people who are business people, but something
Speaker 2: that you've experienced for it as well. We see with
Speaker 2: professional sports people when somebody has something in life, whether
Speaker 2: it's their career, whether it is their sporting challenges, whatever
Speaker 2: it is that takes main priority, we can think that
Speaker 2: they're being selfish in their relationships. But something that Mark
Speaker 2: spoke about was it's not about being selfish. It's about
Speaker 2: talking and being honest about what is a priority to you,
Speaker 2: and then people can choose how they want to be
Speaker 2: a part of your life. In response to that, and
Speaker 2: I think one of the things I mean when you
Speaker 2: just said this whole conversation about having it all Michelle Obama,
Speaker 2: I love the quote which she said, which was you
Speaker 2: can have it all, just not at the same time.
Speaker 3: And I think Mark is the perfect example of that.
Speaker 2: So that is all coming up now before we get
Speaker 2: into speaking to Mark. Something we did want to talk about.
Speaker 2: We on Thursday's episode were talking about Carolina Santos. If
Speaker 2: you listen to ask Gunkut, we were talking about how
Speaker 2: she had slid into Michael Disorto, which is the Australian
Speaker 2: fashion label, to get herself some free tickets to Australian
Speaker 2: Fashion Week. Now, there was a DM exchange. That exchange
Speaker 2: was shared across a few news outlets. It was doing
Speaker 2: the reund it was doing the rounds, and she was
Speaker 2: shut down by the fashion label. But the thing that
Speaker 2: we discussed was how it is more problematic when a
Speaker 2: brand or a restaurant or something shares dms from an
Speaker 2: influencer to try and shame them. The reason why we
Speaker 2: wanted to bring this up is because there has been
Speaker 2: more revelations that have come to light, and also some
Speaker 2: of you guys slid into our dms and we always
Speaker 2: want to make sure that we are giving you the
Speaker 2: right information and we're discussing things in the right way,
Speaker 2: and when we do make an error or don't have
Speaker 2: the right.
Speaker 3: Information at hand, we want to address that.
Speaker 2: So we assumed that the brand were the ones to
Speaker 2: release those dms, which was kind of what was implied
Speaker 2: at the time by the articles that had come out
Speaker 2: at the time when we'd done the recordings. But since
Speaker 2: then there has been more information and it wasn't the
Speaker 2: brand who leaked the DMS in the first place. It
Speaker 2: was one of Carolina's friends. So basically, Carolina apparently put
Speaker 2: it on her stories on her close friends Instagram story
Speaker 2: here where you have.
Speaker 3: Like ten of your friends and that's all that the
Speaker 3: only people that see it.
Speaker 2: And one of her fucking friends screenshot it and sent
Speaker 2: it to the news outlets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a dog, yeap, good friend. You want to
Speaker 1: keep those friends around. I think people were us included,
Speaker 1: but everyone was making the assumption that it was the brand,
Speaker 1: because who in their right mind would release their own
Speaker 1: humiliating dissing Yeah, so that's why the assumption was made
Speaker 1: that it was obviously the brand, because everyone's like, who
Speaker 1: would possibly do it? But to hear that it was,
Speaker 1: I mean, and this is all assumptions again, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know if the friend has come out and confirmed us,
Speaker 1: so we're going to say that. But now the story
Speaker 1: is that, yeah, it's a friend that leaked the DMS,
Speaker 1: which I think is wild. Who is doing this to
Speaker 1: their friends totally?
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's probably time to have a bit
Speaker 2: of a reassessment of who's in your close friends group.
Speaker 1: It's literally like the very smaller Australian version of the
Speaker 1: Wagatha Christie shit that went down in the UK.
Speaker 3: And I think most people would have heard of the
Speaker 3: wagon Wagath. Why do I have a lot of troules
Speaker 3: saying Wagatha.
Speaker 1: I think most people would have heard of the Wagatha
Speaker 1: Christie situation that went down. But Rebecca Vardy is basically
Speaker 1: these wags And I don't like the term obviously because
Speaker 1: people call me one, but I'm going to call other
Speaker 1: people for the sake of it, because it's obviously a
Speaker 1: play on words. It was this fight between some wags
Speaker 1: and it's they're obviously like, I get the Christie.
Speaker 3: Who you know? Okay? Can you guys get it? I
Speaker 3: don't look. If you don't, you can google it. It's
Speaker 3: fucking fascinating as what it is, but it's the same
Speaker 3: sort of a thing.
Speaker 1: It was like one woman's life like being ruined by
Speaker 1: all these leaks that were happening, and she couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out what it was and ended up being one of
Speaker 1: her close friends that was leaking it.
Speaker 3: And it was this.
Speaker 1: Big like investigation that they did internally on their Instagram
Speaker 1: to figure out who the friend was. It went to court,
Speaker 1: they got sued, like huge, huge drama in the UK.
Speaker 2: I mean, here's another like thought, just don't use close
Speaker 2: friends on Instagram.
Speaker 3: I do not use that. I do not trust close friends.
Speaker 2: I mean I trust my close friends, but I don't
Speaker 2: trust the people I put in close friends on Instagram.
Speaker 1: One close friend on mine, and it was an accident.
Speaker 1: I accidentally starred them one day. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to do it. And it's just my sister Sherry,
Speaker 1: So like I feel like if anything got leaked on.
Speaker 3: My page, I know what it is. Well, look, coming
Speaker 3: back to this for one quick second.
Speaker 2: We spoke about it obviously on Thursday's episode, and in
Speaker 2: this instance, like Michael Disorto, they did not release the
Speaker 2: private dms. But we have seen it happen in the past.
Speaker 2: We have seen restaurants do it to influencers. We have
Speaker 2: seen it happened on many occasions. I do think that
Speaker 2: there is still a conversation there around why it is
Speaker 2: kind of fun. I guess to humiliate influences when they
Speaker 2: have asked for something or they have kind of slid
Speaker 2: into a brand or company's DMS. But ultimately I wanted
Speaker 2: to say to the few people who did message and
Speaker 2: sent us the update on that information. Thank you, and also,
Speaker 2: I hope Carolina had a fucking great time of fashion
Speaker 2: Week because it looks like she's still well. She did
Speaker 2: make it looks like one of those dms actually worked,
Speaker 2: if not to the microshow. Anyway, there is one more
Speaker 2: thing I wanted to talk about before we get into
Speaker 2: interviewing Mark. There was a research study that came out
Speaker 2: recently in the States. Now, look, it is a United
Speaker 2: States based research study. Maybe the answers are not applicable
Speaker 2: to Australia, but I would go so far as to
Speaker 2: say that maybe there's some correlation that could apply here.
Speaker 2: Probably a pretty good sample, a pretty good sample, and
Speaker 2: a pretty good example. So six thousand people were surveyed
Speaker 2: on a website called bonusfinder dot com.
Speaker 3: Sounds super fucking legit, bonus find out at Oxford dot com.
Speaker 2: A dot com survey. Six thousand people is not a
Speaker 2: small sample size. The survey was about bachelor and bachelorette
Speaker 2: parties and cheating. And this is a pretty fucking alarming statistic.
Speaker 2: More than seventy percent of Americans cheat at bachelor or
Speaker 2: bachelorette parties. So the survey found that of six thousand people,
Speaker 2: including the soon to be betrothed and their guests, more
Speaker 2: than seventy percent admitted that they have cheated on their
Speaker 2: partners at bachelor or bachelorette parties.
Speaker 3: That is a huge statistic.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably important though, to keep in mind
Speaker 2: when we talk about this, like, cheating is a pretty
Speaker 2: massive range of a spectrum, right. Everybody has very different
Speaker 2: ideas as to what constitutes cheating, and I think in
Speaker 2: order for the survey to kind of be correct or
Speaker 2: to have some sort of validity to it, this was
Speaker 2: the range. So it was ranging from anything from flirting,
Speaker 2: downloading a dating app during the parties to sexting or
Speaker 2: sleeping with someone, whether it's an escort, someone at the party,
Speaker 2: or somebody from the night.
Speaker 3: But the thing is what the study clarifies is really important.
Speaker 1: The cheating is a spectrum, right, So for some people
Speaker 1: what constitution cheating does not constitutionting for somebody else. So
Speaker 1: some people are okay with flirting, some people are okay
Speaker 1: with messages, some people are okay with a lap dance.
Speaker 3: So these statistics have to take that into account. And
Speaker 3: they did break these.
Speaker 1: Statistics down even further now Thirty three point one percent
Speaker 1: said they had a lap dance, Twenty one point three
Speaker 1: percent said kissing. Eleven point two percent admitted to sleeping
Speaker 1: with someone eleven point two that's still pretty fucking hard,
Speaker 1: getting freaky yeah. Nine percent said they got hot and
Speaker 1: heavy in the sheets as a threesome.
Speaker 3: Also a huge nine percent is huge? Why is everyone
Speaker 3: having three sims?
Speaker 1: Am?
Speaker 3: I the only person in this room who hasn't had
Speaker 3: a three ReSm? I haven't. But have you had a threesome?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? We all have vanilla?
Speaker 2: None of us? Oh my god, how Keisha you've got okay?
Speaker 2: I know last week we were hiring because Keisha's now
Speaker 2: got a boyfriend. We're also hiring if you've had a
Speaker 2: threesome out there. We need someone in this group.
Speaker 3: Who's a bit more fucking like risque.
Speaker 2: Tell me what you like the kink here, the fucking better.
Speaker 2: We've got an opening.
Speaker 1: So this is interesting because I think for me, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want my partner to be going and having a
Speaker 1: lap dance, right. I would be like, that's not cool.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I'm not okay with it.
Speaker 3: I just break up with them? Is it a break
Speaker 3: up of all events, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think it's cheating, right, Like, if it's just a
Speaker 1: lap dance, if there's just something you can, like if
Speaker 1: you depend one dance in the club like that these days,
Speaker 1: I don't constitute it as cheating personally. If there's touching, yes,
Speaker 1: But if he was on a bus and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I like it, but I'm like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to break up with him. But for somebody else that's
Speaker 1: not acceptable, and that's okay. That's because everybody has these
Speaker 1: different boundaries.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have a question for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, would you constitute a lap dance cheating if it
Speaker 2: wasn't paid for, if it was just from a girl
Speaker 2: who they'd met that night, Yeah, and she gave him
Speaker 2: a lap dance, is that cheating?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: So I'm so cooked that if it wasn't a Bucks
Speaker 1: or bachelorette and he'd just gone out and got a
Speaker 1: lap dance from a chick, I'd be like, cool, you've
Speaker 1: purposely gone out to try and cheat on me.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying it's okay.
Speaker 2: So there's an exchange of money and it meant nothing
Speaker 2: to her, then it's okay.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if it's a job for her.
Speaker 1: There are twenty guys that are all having fun seeing
Speaker 1: someone off and the girls coming around. She's done a
Speaker 1: dance in front of Just Say It's band for a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes and moves on. Then I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, more so than if you just went
Speaker 1: down to the local and.
Speaker 3: Got a lap dance from a chick that wouldn't slide.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I don't know why we see a bachelot and when
Speaker 2: I say we, I don't mean us specifically or even
Speaker 2: you listening to this episode. But I don't know why
Speaker 2: some people think that a bachelorette party or a bachelor
Speaker 2: party is a get out of jail free card when
Speaker 2: it comes to fidelity with your partner, Like why do
Speaker 2: the rules not apply that apply on every other big
Speaker 2: Saturday night out.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's well, I mean, it's this idea
Speaker 1: of come on, this could be your last time for
Speaker 1: the rest of your life. Like everyone knows you don't
Speaker 1: cheat in a marriage, so it's now we'll never you know,
Speaker 1: Like I think that that's what happens. It's also fueled
Speaker 1: by drugs and alcohol. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: miscommunication in there, Like a lot of people don't really
Speaker 1: want strippers, and this is bachelorettes en bachelor's. A lot
Speaker 1: of people don't want them, but their friends just think
Speaker 1: it's the fun idea and it's all organizer and once
Speaker 1: you're there, you don't want to be the people that's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want this. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that go into it, a lot of different reason.
Speaker 2: Peer pressure along with temptation, because like you wouldn't normally
Speaker 2: go out on a Saturday night and have strippers or
Speaker 2: have that sort of like hyper sexualized experience, which I
Speaker 2: think is synonymous with a bachelor batchet party.
Speaker 1: I have a wild story actually, I know somebody that,
Speaker 1: like a couple that were getting married and on his
Speaker 1: Bucks night he cheated.
Speaker 3: He got an escort.
Speaker 1: Now he didn't get it. This situation where you know,
Speaker 1: it gets a bit out of control, the friends organizer
Speaker 1: turns into a lapdownce. Someone pays a bit of extra,
Speaker 1: he's slept with an escort, he had sex, Yeah, whole
Speaker 1: kiting capital. And then he wouldn't have said anything. He
Speaker 1: would have taken that to the grave. He would have
Speaker 1: just got married and taken to the grave. But a
Speaker 1: few days goes past. She's doing all the washing anyway,
Speaker 1: she finds a receipt and in his pocket was a
Speaker 1: receipt with an unusual name at the top and the date,
Speaker 1: and the date was the night of the Bucks party,
Speaker 1: and then it had a very large one sum of money,
Speaker 1: got this weird name on the date, and the weird
Speaker 1: name on the receipt wasn't where they were going on
Speaker 1: the bus because she knew what was happening, you know,
Speaker 1: as the watch she's like, what are you guys doing
Speaker 1: this night?
Speaker 3: You know? And she was like, something doesn't seem right.
Speaker 1: So she ended up going full inspector gadget and she as,
Speaker 1: you do, yeah, one hundred percent, I would inspect a
Speaker 1: gadget the shit out of that receipt.
Speaker 3: She googled it.
Speaker 1: It turned out it was a brothel, so she said, hey,
Speaker 1: what can I It's like when you go to the
Speaker 1: canteen and you got two dollars at school, you like,
Speaker 1: what can I get for this much money? And they're like,
Speaker 1: you can get two chicken chippies. She called up and
Speaker 1: she's like, what can I get for this much money?
Speaker 3: But she called She googled the brothel.
Speaker 2: Then she called it, and she was like, what services
Speaker 2: can I receive?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like when you go to the canteen years old
Speaker 1: for your lunch order? Yeah, what can I get for
Speaker 1: like four hundred bucks? Five hundred bucks? And because she
Speaker 1: wanted to know, what fuck? What do you get for
Speaker 1: that much money? And basically you get everything, you get
Speaker 1: the whole service. So she figured out through all this
Speaker 1: investigating that he had, yeah, slept with someone, so he.
Speaker 2: There are something better than a female detective who thinks
Speaker 2: that something's gone down, like a woman in a relationship
Speaker 2: who was being scorned, unstoppable.
Speaker 3: I in my past relationships have been the most thorough.
Speaker 2: I could probably solve a fucking murder with how thorough
Speaker 2: I have been across social media.
Speaker 3: I have friends literally one for in particular. No, I'm hooked.
Speaker 3: What happened? Did they get married? They got married? They
Speaker 3: just got married.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know they talked it out,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what level what was said. Obviously
Speaker 1: it was positioned as drunk mistake. I'm sorry for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: but they ended up getting married.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Postponement of wedding no to.
Speaker 1: Expending it too hard. It's really hard to postpone a wedding.
Speaker 1: You know you postponed it twice. It's not on me
Speaker 1: to comment. Everyone's situation is different. I don't know what
Speaker 1: i'd do in that situation, but for whatever reason, they
Speaker 1: decided to continue and get married as per normal. I'm
Speaker 1: sure things weren't normal in the relationship and they had
Speaker 1: a lot of work to do, but at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, she's obviously decided that she still wants
Speaker 1: to spend life with this person. They'll probably go to
Speaker 1: the therapy and do whatever else. But at this point,
Speaker 1: she's like, full far out. The wedding's in two weeks.
Speaker 1: What am I gonna do?
Speaker 2: My issue with this is, though, is that I think
Speaker 2: if you're somebody who sees bachelor parties as a pass out,
Speaker 2: then what stops you from doing that in other aspects
Speaker 2: of your life? Like I don't think that people just
Speaker 2: go one and done, do you know? I mean, I
Speaker 2: think if you have that level of disregard towards your partner,
Speaker 2: like if you're okay with pushing the limit, which obviously
Speaker 2: most relationships would have those boundaries, then what's to say
Speaker 2: that when you're in another situation where there's alcohol or
Speaker 2: peer pressure or it's heightenedly sexualized that you're not going
Speaker 2: to make that same.
Speaker 1: Well, because I think it's the mindset. I think it's
Speaker 1: the mindset of, like, you get married once in your life,
Speaker 1: and the idea of marriage is the fact that you're monogamous.
Speaker 1: So then it's the idea of, well, I'm only getting
Speaker 1: married to this one person's rest of my life. I'm
Speaker 1: also only having one last night, and this is my
Speaker 1: last night. And I think people get sucked into this mindset.
Speaker 1: Now I think it's fucked Like. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a get out of free pass. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a you know, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas
Speaker 1: night at all.
Speaker 3: I think it doesn't matter what night it is.
Speaker 1: It's cheating, doesn't matter when it is, doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: you think it's your last time, meaning thing doesn't if
Speaker 1: you paid for it, Like for me, it's.
Speaker 2: All kind of I mean, yeah, and we all know
Speaker 2: that there's different levels of it, like we said at
Speaker 2: the beginning of this, But the only thing I think
Speaker 2: that is maybe incorrect about that is that it's the
Speaker 2: assumption that it's only the groom or bride doing it.
Speaker 3: The bride to be or the groom.
Speaker 2: But the statistics of this and the reason why I
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about it, the reason why I thought
Speaker 2: it was so effing wild is because of this six
Speaker 2: thousand people that were surveyed, the seventy percent, this was
Speaker 2: not just the bride and groom.
Speaker 3: This was people going to Bucks or bachelorette parties.
Speaker 2: And I think that the reason for that is because
Speaker 2: there is and I know it's one of the reasons
Speaker 2: why it's such a trigger for some people. They don't
Speaker 2: want their partners going to bachelorette and Bucks parties because
Speaker 2: they feel like it's an environment where their ability to
Speaker 2: say no or their ability to resist temptation is extremely tested.
Speaker 2: Which for those people who feel like that, or we
Speaker 2: feel like they can't trust their partners in those situations,
Speaker 2: that must be a really frightening feeling.
Speaker 1: God, Ben probably doesn't have to worry. I'll have a
Speaker 1: high team. Karaoke can be done by like nine pm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were in bed at eleven. I had two pregnant
Speaker 1: people at my hand.
Speaker 3: Your head was like we hit hard at about three pm.
Speaker 2: We were peaking at two thirty in the afternoon and
Speaker 2: we were at home having pizza and cups of tea
Speaker 2: at nine thirty.
Speaker 1: We were having dnms around the lounge with cups of
Speaker 1: t at nine thirty pm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not even dnms because we were off our
Speaker 2: face on drugs.
Speaker 3: It was just D and m's.
Speaker 2: Because we had tea old that was Tia said she
Speaker 2: had a great time.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend it was the night of
Speaker 1: my dreams. I had a great night. Like for me
Speaker 1: to have hit it, to have the fun, to have
Speaker 1: done the rounds. Do I had the dreams, had the shots,
Speaker 1: had the dancing, had the karaoke, and be back in
Speaker 1: bed with pizza at nine pm?
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, she can't dress.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: Let's check to Mark, Mark, welcome to life on cut cool?
Speaker 5: I'm sure?
Speaker 2: Is it cool?
Speaker 4: Do you know what you're in for?
Speaker 5: You got no idea?
Speaker 3: What's your favorite sex position? No, I'm joking, that's no.
Speaker 5: Can I have more than one? Yeah? Well I really
Speaker 5: like and I don't want really embarrass you.
Speaker 4: Okay, hit me.
Speaker 5: It's nothing embarrassing on top, woman on top.
Speaker 2: This is going to make no sense to anyone who
Speaker 2: hasn't yet listened to Mark's podcast, But look that that's
Speaker 2: all coming Mark. We start every interview the same way.
Speaker 2: We want to know what your most embarrassing story is.
Speaker 2: It's called an accidentally unfiltered story, and you know it's
Speaker 2: just such a nice way to humanize yourself.
Speaker 5: Well, I got one for you. So many years ago.
Speaker 5: I got four sons and my young son at the
Speaker 5: time was fifteen mile to some would have been early twenties.
Speaker 5: And i'ed them all to come meet me in Greece
Speaker 5: because they have different others, so I know them all
Speaker 5: to come and meet me. And they all went on
Speaker 5: one flight. I was already there, but I'd flown in
Speaker 5: from another country, not Australia. And I always take sleeping
Speaker 5: tablets as soon as I ride because I get jet
Speaker 5: lag and I take something times help me sleep. So
Speaker 5: soon as I arrived, were in Greece in this unbelievable hotel,
Speaker 5: I said, meet me up in the bar, even though
Speaker 5: he was only fifteen young was the fifteen It doesn't
Speaker 5: matter in Greece before seven eighteen, come on up, and
Speaker 5: I started drinking whiskey like usual things, which I like
Speaker 5: to do. So we had a few dreams, had dinner.
Speaker 5: I looked at the bath and all sort stuff and
Speaker 5: I said, guys, I'm going to go to bed. You
Speaker 5: guys are going to do what you want. I went
Speaker 5: to my room and I took my sleeping tablets I
Speaker 5: normally do. I went to sleep, and then in the
Speaker 5: middle of the night, I felt the need to get
Speaker 5: up and take a peek. So I went up and
Speaker 5: opened the door to the bathroom, and then the door
Speaker 5: closed behind me, and I realized I was in the
Speaker 5: hall naked. Naked, No, I wasn't clean on the door,
Speaker 5: but by this time I was in such shock. Well
Speaker 5: what the hell like? I completely woke up, and because
Speaker 5: I had a sleeping tablet, I had a couple of whiskeys,
Speaker 5: the whole thing acted against me, and I was like,
Speaker 5: oh my god. I was a total panic. I saw
Speaker 5: a phone. There's like a wall phone on the thing,
Speaker 5: and I tried to ring the reception that there's no
Speaker 5: one answering, because it's like two o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 5: and the Greek's unnestly they good at that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5: I saw a dude walking down to his room, so
Speaker 5: I put my hands he and I said, hey, mate,
Speaker 5: can you let me in your room? Let you lend
Speaker 5: me a towel. I see must have sounded like the
Speaker 5: biggest bullshit story of hoping you could speak English and
Speaker 5: he couldn't. Started to speaking to Greek. He couldn't speak Greek,
Speaker 5: so I don't know what nationality was he German or
Speaker 5: something like that. Anyway, fortunately let me in the room,
Speaker 5: gave me a towel, went outside tuck and then I
Speaker 5: asked him to ring the reception they come out and
Speaker 5: save him. But it was one of the most embarrassing
Speaker 5: moments in my life because that Only a couple of
Speaker 5: years prior to that, Malcolm Fraser, when he was a
Speaker 5: Prime Minister of Australia had got caught in a hotel
Speaker 5: room in one Chai and a part of Hong Kong
Speaker 5: naked outside his room and the media just hammered him.
Speaker 5: And I was doing the appearance of this sort of time,
Speaker 5: so I was just so worried that it was going
Speaker 5: to get out in the media. They probably we'll get
Speaker 5: out the media now, but it's too late.
Speaker 2: Because I told him it's about there's like power in
Speaker 2: telling the story yourself. It's when you get caught out
Speaker 2: that then they take the power away from you. But
Speaker 2: when you're like, oh yeah, this happened, so they can't
Speaker 2: even make fun of you anymore. I told you front foot,
Speaker 2: but you're very lucky to have an in Greece and
Speaker 2: not in.
Speaker 4: How'd you get what's the end of this story?
Speaker 5: The reception came up and they just opened the door
Speaker 5: for me to let me in the room. When I
Speaker 5: was the first thing they said, we need to see ID.
Speaker 3: What the fuck? Well, pull it out of my ass crack,
Speaker 3: then let me have it for you, giggling.
Speaker 4: You can see who I am online. That's so funny.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you got in safe. Look, most people know you.
Speaker 1: You just mentioned from the Apprentice and celebrity Apprentice and
Speaker 1: a bit of a one of the most successful businessmen
Speaker 1: in Australia. I would say, I don't know if you'd
Speaker 1: referred yourself as that, but I reckon probably would. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know if success means but yes, well
Speaker 5: if you're doing in a traditional sense in terms of
Speaker 5: numbers and stuff like that, yes, yeah.
Speaker 4: I feel like this is going to happen a lot
Speaker 4: in this interview.
Speaker 1: We're probably going to segue when something comes up, but
Speaker 1: that's an interesting point. What is success to you? From
Speaker 1: the outset? I would say, okay, worth a couple of
Speaker 1: hundred million, give or take. I know that there's no
Speaker 1: number for you because you could probably have another hundred
Speaker 1: million tomorrow.
Speaker 3: To me, that success, But what is it to you?
Speaker 5: Well, I always say to you from my point of
Speaker 5: view as success, from my point of view as the
Speaker 5: family you raise. So I'm only interested in my sons
Speaker 5: and my grandson, and that's the most important thing to me,
Speaker 5: because my measure for success is what I would think
Speaker 5: my mum and dad would like to see in me.
Speaker 5: And my mother's passed away because recently, not that a
Speaker 5: couple years ago, but my dad's all life, So what
Speaker 5: would they feel was success from their point of view,
Speaker 5: And it's not about money. Mom day couldn't care less
Speaker 5: about that. Just as long as I got a good
Speaker 5: kids and good grandkids and I'm a good son, that's
Speaker 5: success to me. So that's the most important thing to me.
Speaker 2: How I mean, speaking of your family, how were you raised?
Speaker 2: Because I think there's often this assumption that if you're
Speaker 2: somebody who is hugely successful that maybe there was a
Speaker 2: bit of a silver spoon, or you're a nepo baby.
Speaker 2: I know that term gets thrown around quite a bit
Speaker 2: these days. What was your childhood like and the way
Speaker 2: that you got into business? How did that come about?
Speaker 5: Well, my child was very stable, so that's an important
Speaker 5: thing I had. Both parents were married, stayed married, loved
Speaker 5: each other, and good parents to me, good husband and
Speaker 5: wife to each other as far as I could see anyway.
Speaker 5: My dad was a very hard worker. Neither one had
Speaker 5: fancy jobs that my dad came to strat couldn't speak English.
Speaker 5: My mum taught him to speak English. He worked in
Speaker 5: factory's whole life, worked hard, lots of jobs. So I
Speaker 5: was brought up as a kid who saw hard working parents,
Speaker 5: very stable, loving parents. My mother was very creative, very smart,
Speaker 5: well read, never had many opportunities in life, had no
Speaker 5: opportunities in life basically, but driven. And she got us
Speaker 5: to play piano. Like I had to learn piano from
Speaker 5: an early age. We did all the sports. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: I didn't grow up with the silver spoon. I grew
Speaker 5: in the west suburb, Vicinia, and I went to a
Speaker 5: little Catholic school out there. I didn't sort of walk
Speaker 5: into a business, but I saw hard working people and
Speaker 5: people who want to improve their lives. So I guess
Speaker 5: that's probably the probably how I started. I just want
Speaker 5: to improve my life. I didn't think I had a
Speaker 5: shoot live. I didn't grow up with a chip on
Speaker 5: my shoulders. I never felt like, oh, well, I'm going
Speaker 5: to go and get this car, because I never saw
Speaker 5: that car. No, that wasn't my deal. I just wanted
Speaker 5: to work hard. I always wanted to impress my mom
Speaker 5: and dad. I don't mean impress them so much. I
Speaker 5: wanted to do the right thing by mom and dad.
Speaker 5: Always wanted them to feel proud of me. That's sort
Speaker 5: of what drove me to a large extent. I remember
Speaker 5: when I sold the Wizard business. It's written out everywhere
Speaker 5: how much we sold it for, and it was, you know,
Speaker 5: in those days, in two thousand and four, that's nearly
Speaker 5: twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: And for anyone who doesn't know how much that was sold,
Speaker 2: it was half a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: I love that you say, like back then there was
Speaker 1: a lot of money back in no market.
Speaker 3: Still a lot of money now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but people talk about, you know, unicorns and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. But you know, that amount of money then
Speaker 5: is in terms of equipalment today is huge. And the
Speaker 5: night had happened, I was in New York because I
Speaker 5: had to go to New York to receive all the
Speaker 5: payments and signed documents and stuff like that. I was
Speaker 5: just there by myself, and I remember walking up to
Speaker 5: a certain place that General Electric had sort of set
Speaker 5: the settlement would be. And it was eleven o'clock at
Speaker 5: night because they had to settle in Australia as well
Speaker 5: as New York, complicated, and I just walked up there
Speaker 5: on my own that was building that when it was
Speaker 5: sort of pretty much closing through a security system, walked
Speaker 5: in there, signed some documents, got paperwork, et cetera. Brought
Speaker 5: back to my hotel, and put myself at pizza in
Speaker 5: my room in New York. I always wanted to try
Speaker 5: in New York pizza and I hadn't really been before.
Speaker 5: So that's how I celebrated at dating me wrong. It
Speaker 5: was important, but it wasn't that important to me.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to put myself in that position right now.
Speaker 4: What was it?
Speaker 1: And you don't have to say numbers, but what was
Speaker 1: your wealth like before you made that exchange? Were you
Speaker 1: just working hard, still making decent money, but nothing extraordinary,
Speaker 1: and then this company's coming in and said I'll buy
Speaker 1: you for half a billion. Was it an actual huge
Speaker 1: jump or were you already worth a couple of hundred million?
Speaker 5: No? No, no, no, I was my previous life. I
Speaker 5: was working as a professional, worked at a chart accounting
Speaker 5: firm which I was a senior partner of, and then
Speaker 5: I sort of sold that. Then I worked in a
Speaker 5: law firm for a number of years. You know, I
Speaker 5: did well, I had reasonable money.
Speaker 4: You did well, but normal, well.
Speaker 5: Just normal like every professional would do. I was like
Speaker 5: forty eight when I sold it, so you know, I
Speaker 5: had accumulated some assets, but nothing particularly great from my
Speaker 5: point of view. You know, the extra money wasn't going
Speaker 5: to buy me anything. But I still can only buy
Speaker 5: a pizza for I got the concierge to order for me.
Speaker 5: It's still anti cost me twenty five US dollars or something.
Speaker 5: I mean, I got all this money, I can't go
Speaker 5: and buy a better one. So it didn't make that
Speaker 5: much difference to me to my life.
Speaker 3: I feel like it make a lot of difference to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that it's interesting because I think that,
Speaker 2: I mean, my first question is coming into that sort
Speaker 2: of success, and also that purchase is exchanged. Obviously, you
Speaker 2: built the business up. But then you have this massive
Speaker 2: sale coming into that much money, which is an incomprehensible
Speaker 2: amount of wealth for some people. How does that change
Speaker 2: you as a person.
Speaker 5: It didn't change me. It just didn't change me.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: The most important thing for me was it was on
Speaker 5: page two of the Wall Street Journal. Was such a
Speaker 5: big sale for someone General Electric? It was a big sar.
Speaker 5: I've got a clip of the Wall Street Journal still somewhere.
Speaker 5: But the thing that sits in my drawer still to
Speaker 5: this very day is a letter from my mother, who
Speaker 5: waited three or four weeks after the sale, and she
Speaker 5: wrote in a letter, I wanted to wait until the
Speaker 5: noise was down, and she told me what she actually
Speaker 5: thought of me as a kid, as her kid doing this.
Speaker 5: Wasn't the amount of money, but she talked about the
Speaker 5: effort that I put into it. If she watched my effort,
Speaker 5: that was probably the most important thing to me, to
Speaker 5: be honest with you, I mean that, and today it's
Speaker 5: a mere memory. It's a mere moment in my life.
Speaker 5: And people say that's successful. On that day, yes, that
Speaker 5: was worth a lot of money. But maybe the next
Speaker 5: day the shares that I got in General actric might
Speaker 5: not have been worth as much. In fact, they were not,
Speaker 5: but they might.
Speaker 1: Have been mine a technicality were scowed over that.
Speaker 5: Way, but there might have been worth less. So because
Speaker 5: there's just one line you draw on one day in
Speaker 5: the sand, and anything had happened every day thereafter.
Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't ask the right question then in terms
Speaker 2: of how it changed you? But how did it change
Speaker 2: the people around you? People who were in your sphere,
Speaker 2: who are in your life, who understood this. Did it
Speaker 2: change their perception of who you are?
Speaker 5: Maybe? I think probably audiences changed the perception about me,
Speaker 5: And I think it probably I grew an audience as
Speaker 5: a result of that. My friends didn't really change, and
Speaker 5: I was still got the same.
Speaker 3: Like you're getting dinner tonight, though, And well, a.
Speaker 5: Bit of that happened round The wedding press became much
Speaker 5: more expensive, Christie's became much more expensive. I became a
Speaker 5: godfather a lot more often.
Speaker 3: I'm making you mind, godfather, godfather.
Speaker 5: I mean it also resulted in me getting divorced too,
Speaker 5: So you know the effort I put into that. Unwittingly,
Speaker 5: I didn't realize what you're to do quip a relationship.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that I wasn't doing what I should
Speaker 5: have done to keep the relationship. So a lot of
Speaker 5: the success came as a result of what I sacrificed.
Speaker 5: And I didn't know of sacrificing it, but I actually
Speaker 5: sacrificed a long term marriage. And you know, the mother
Speaker 5: of some of my kids. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Is that because you just put one hundred and ten
Speaker 1: percent of yourself into the business at that time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I more than one hundred percent everything. I didn't
Speaker 5: realize that because when I was growing up, my dad
Speaker 5: worked three jobs and that's what he did, and Mum
Speaker 5: did what she did, and Mum also worked, but like
Speaker 5: it was a partnership, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 5: no one ever looked like to me. No one ever
Speaker 5: questioned anything, and it looked right to me in my case.
Speaker 5: And I never saw Dad take Mum out for dinner.
Speaker 5: I never saw we never had holidays, We didn't go
Speaker 5: away anywhere and all that sort of stuff. So probably
Speaker 5: I just stupidly assumed that that's how everything works, and
Speaker 5: I just did what I saw. I didn't think about it.
Speaker 5: I just do what I saw, and I didn't realize
Speaker 5: that you had to spend time with people to make
Speaker 5: them feel appreciated, appreciated and that you cared about them
Speaker 5: and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess there's a sense of I don't want
Speaker 1: to say relationships work because it's not, but it requires work,
Speaker 1: especially of a long period of time. You do have
Speaker 1: to come to a point where you prioritize it and
Speaker 1: put effort in, grow together, make sure you're given each
Speaker 1: other enough. And I think that's where a lot of
Speaker 1: people probably do go wrong, is that they forget that.
Speaker 1: They think, oh, we're good, We've got the piece of paper. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't need to put the ft anymore.
Speaker 4: They're always going to be there. And it probably really
Speaker 4: showed you, I imagine.
Speaker 1: What was important in life. You got the money, but
Speaker 1: you lost something that you loved.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I sort of regret it. But I'll be honest
Speaker 5: with you though, I discovered something about myself and that
Speaker 5: was that. That's the blog on to bit. I love
Speaker 5: work and that is the most important thing to me
Speaker 5: in my life. That's the view I take not many
Speaker 5: people and honestly say that, and not because I want
Speaker 5: to work, but because I want to do the things
Speaker 5: that my work delivers. You know, my work. I'm lacking
Speaker 5: in my work in the homelown business, I help people
Speaker 5: get homes, or I help people through stressful periods. My
Speaker 5: podcast business, I'm trying to tell audiences about what it's
Speaker 5: like to own a business and share those sorts of
Speaker 5: things with people. So I see that as really important,
Speaker 5: not because I want to work, because I see that
Speaker 5: as a great undertaking, a very important thing. That's what
Speaker 5: I think I'm here for. I'm not necessarily here for
Speaker 5: making someone have a good relationship with me. Therefore, I
Speaker 5: have to find someone.
Speaker 4: Who happy to play second fiddle almost well, not.
Speaker 5: Second fiddle, but they might have their own undertaking or
Speaker 5: they understand that this is how you have to be
Speaker 5: with Mark. And I don't mean that in a sort
Speaker 5: of ruthless way.
Speaker 2: I think that this is such an interesting self discovery.
Speaker 2: And I say this because I've witnessed it and my
Speaker 2: friend's relationships some of them also witnessed it in I
Speaker 2: think sometimes in my own relationship, we can often tell
Speaker 2: ourselves that the reason why we're working so hard is
Speaker 2: because we want to do it for our family.
Speaker 3: We want to create a better life for our family.
Speaker 2: I'm doing this because I'm contributing back to this in
Speaker 2: a monetary way. You're growing and growing, but there does
Speaker 2: come a point where no amount of extra money is
Speaker 2: what's needed to grow that family unit. It's time because
Speaker 2: that's the one thing you can't actually purchase. I think
Speaker 2: that sometimes we can almost try and fool ourselves that
Speaker 2: you're doing it for a different purpose.
Speaker 3: But that's such an honest.
Speaker 2: Revelation that you had that you were like, yes, that
Speaker 2: relationship needed more time of me, but the thing that
Speaker 2: I wanted to do was business, and that's the thing
Speaker 2: that you continue to excel at.
Speaker 5: And my family, including my kids, of course, that reason
Speaker 5: is Secondary'll be honestly, because like my kids are all
Speaker 5: grown up down, they're all living their lives. They're not
Speaker 5: saying Dad, thanks very much for you know, how hard
Speaker 5: you're work and the things you give us or gave us,
Speaker 5: you know, And I don't expect it to that from
Speaker 5: them either. I have to have a purpose in my life,
Speaker 5: and I don't mind being selfish. I don't mean selfish
Speaker 5: and extend to hurt people. I don't want to hurt anybody.
Speaker 5: But selfish is looking after yourself and understanding what's important
Speaker 5: for you. So there's nothing wrong with I think, in
Speaker 5: my opinion, doing what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: But I think that's also evident for you.
Speaker 1: It's almost self explanatory the fact that you've made these
Speaker 1: monumental sales, you have monumental wealth, you still go to
Speaker 1: work every day and do multiple businesses. It speaks for
Speaker 1: itself because you could go and buy an island and
Speaker 1: a yacht and no one could ever see or hear
Speaker 1: from you again.
Speaker 4: But you're not.
Speaker 1: You're out there doing the work and trying to educate
Speaker 1: people and be educated yourself. That's an intrinsic drive that
Speaker 1: people either have or they don't. One thing I'd like
Speaker 1: to dig a bit deeper in that you just said.
Speaker 1: You said that you didn't really change much when you
Speaker 1: came into this wealth. What I'd like to know is
Speaker 1: was there a level of trust that changed within you
Speaker 1: that maybe you haven't thought about a lot, But I
Speaker 1: would imagine there are a lot of people that might
Speaker 1: want to be a friend now, A lot of people
Speaker 1: that might have wanted to date you when you became
Speaker 1: single for reasons that are obvious.
Speaker 4: You have a lot of money. There are a lot
Speaker 4: of people that want an easy life.
Speaker 2: You're also a handsome man, Marked, Or you're very handsome.
Speaker 4: No, you are, You're very handsome.
Speaker 3: They're only dating for your money, that's it. But other
Speaker 3: great qualities and attributes.
Speaker 1: But how do you know you take that aside, if
Speaker 1: you weren't handsome, it doesn't matter. There are people out
Speaker 1: there that the attraction is the money. It's not physical,
Speaker 1: I mean, or.
Speaker 3: It's the lifestyle that one can provide. We'll give it
Speaker 3: to Mark.
Speaker 1: He's handsome, he's intelligent, he's got the money. But was
Speaker 1: they that started to pull back a bit and worry
Speaker 1: that people were coming into your life, especially romantically, for
Speaker 1: the wrong reason.
Speaker 5: It's interesting to ask that question because what happened was
Speaker 5: that my wife, her and who got divorced, she became unwell,
Speaker 5: very unwell, and as a result of that, the boys,
Speaker 5: the three sons to her, came and lived with me,
Speaker 5: and I was very conscious of their mum being un well.
Speaker 5: I want the boys seeing women come into my life,
Speaker 5: so I actually I wouldn't say it was celibate, but
Speaker 5: for a long period of time, but I was very
Speaker 5: conscious of not having relationships during that period. And the
Speaker 5: only woman they saw was the housekeeper, and I was
Speaker 5: very conscious of not upsetting my boys because I was
Speaker 5: upsetting enough for the mum being unwell, and I didn't
Speaker 5: want to sort of make it worse for them. They
Speaker 5: had to just live with their dad. That was a
Speaker 5: bit of a hassle, you know, because I'm you know,
Speaker 5: you can't be the mum, yeah, you know, and mums
Speaker 5: provide different outcomes and dads, I think, and I was
Speaker 5: really conscious that, so I just didn't want upset the
Speaker 5: apperquite so, to answer your question, I avoided that. I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't have that issue. I mean, I'm sure there
Speaker 5: would have been some out there who might have gone,
Speaker 5: you know, might have come to me for that reason.
Speaker 5: But I avoided that, and I'm sort of to be frankly,
Speaker 5: I really feel quite happy that I was able to
Speaker 5: sort of manage that process and I got really involved
Speaker 5: with my kids. And I also had a business in India,
Speaker 5: so I used to travel to India once every four weeks.
Speaker 5: And I'd say that for ten days.
Speaker 4: So I got, that's where you do what you need
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 5: No, not in India.
Speaker 3: I thought, that's what's mon.
Speaker 5: No no no, I didn't know, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: India is a bit tricky. You know, like in Idia
Speaker 5: the pretty smart like they work out in a minute,
Speaker 5: like what you're up to totally.
Speaker 2: What is it in terms of becoming such a prolific
Speaker 2: entrepreneur for you? When was that shift between being like
Speaker 2: I want to run one business or turning a small
Speaker 2: business into a complete conglomerate.
Speaker 3: How did you make that shift?
Speaker 2: And is it so much for you about what the
Speaker 2: business is or running businesses in general. I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's very clear what I'm saying, but I think
Speaker 2: there's a big difference for some people. Some people have
Speaker 2: a passion for running our business because it's the mission
Speaker 2: of that business, and whereas other people can have their
Speaker 2: fingers in multiple pis and it's the actual logistics of
Speaker 2: running a business that kind of gets them off.
Speaker 5: I'm not so interested in the running of the business.
Speaker 5: I find that pretty hard and can be a bit tedious.
Speaker 5: So I have, like you have lots of people in
Speaker 5: my business who work for me, like lots, That in
Speaker 5: itself is a bit of It can be a bit
Speaker 5: of a challenge too, but because I'm not perfect at
Speaker 5: handling people, but I do have a head of HR
Speaker 5: and a whole HR department who do all that stuff.
Speaker 5: For me, I'm more interested. I'm a curious person and
Speaker 5: I'm interested in learning all the time, and I get
Speaker 5: curious about things. So I also look at something that
Speaker 5: I think I can take on. So my podcast. I
Speaker 5: was walking back from the gym one day and listening
Speaker 5: to this American Life and I said to my business partner,
Speaker 5: I said, mate, I reckon, we could do this. And
Speaker 5: then he said, okay, let's have a crack. So that's
Speaker 5: like eight years ago. We went and hired a little
Speaker 5: studio down to King's Cross. We started this podcast called
Speaker 5: My Boris Show, which became the mentor but had no
Speaker 5: idea what we're doing. Which did it for fun, but
Speaker 5: it was a curiosity thing that made me do it.
Speaker 5: And then once I broke through it and I understood how
Speaker 5: it was done, I then like to turn it into
Speaker 5: a bigger business. So that's my thing. I like to
Speaker 5: go can I do this? And lots of things that
Speaker 5: have failed at but can I do this? It's a
Speaker 5: new idea, it's a new thing. Yes, I can do it. Now,
Speaker 5: how do aterna into business? Make money out of it
Speaker 5: and employ people? And then I guess someone else to
Speaker 5: run it? So I don't run the podcast. I don't
Speaker 5: run Yellow Big Road, Yellow bic Road runs your self.
Speaker 5: Wizard ran itself. You know, we had hundreds of staff.
Speaker 5: Wiz was another example. I saw John Simon's Aussie home
Speaker 5: Loans along with McCrow bank taking on the banks and
Speaker 5: pulling their pants down, and I thought, I know about
Speaker 5: that marketplace because I have a master's degree in that
Speaker 5: particular aspect, and I thought I could do that. So
Speaker 5: I was curious as well. I could do it, and
Speaker 5: I started off for the next thing. And I had
Speaker 5: this big business, but I didn't run it.
Speaker 2: So what do you think, then, is the difference for
Speaker 2: somebody who runs a small business who's working in their
Speaker 2: business all the time, but knows that they want to
Speaker 2: make that transition to scaling. How would you say, or
Speaker 2: what is the first steps to being able to go
Speaker 2: from that kind of day to day where you almost
Speaker 2: feel like you're bogged in it and you can't grow
Speaker 2: because you're out capacity, to then having the freedom of
Speaker 2: being able to work on it.
Speaker 5: The scaling is a really difficult thing, a really difficult concept.
Speaker 5: But scaling for me means you've got to be in
Speaker 5: a market. This is what I call it the rising
Speaker 5: tied So I was a rising title liquidity in the world.
Speaker 5: What I mean by that is that it wasn't that
Speaker 5: people want to borrow money, not that liquidity in the
Speaker 5: wizard business or the l big row business for that matter,
Speaker 5: but liquidity in terms of money available to lend to them. So,
Speaker 5: because there's no point people wanting money from me if
Speaker 5: I can't actually get access to it. So I understood
Speaker 5: the rising tidle liquidity in the world, and I knew
Speaker 5: where to get it, and I knew how to get it.
Speaker 5: My game was, could I build a financial technology model.
Speaker 5: Financial engineer is something that allowed me to borrow money
Speaker 5: from the global markets at the same price that banks do,
Speaker 5: so that I can competitively lend to this train market.
Speaker 5: That was my game. And if you're trying to work
Speaker 5: out how am I going to get my business scard up,
Speaker 5: You've got to know that you can get supply the item.
Speaker 5: You've got to be able to supply the item at
Speaker 5: scale to the market. People think scaling up is about
Speaker 5: getting more people to buy my item. Scaling up is
Speaker 5: about getting more content to supply to the marketplace.
Speaker 1: Excuse my ignorance, where did the money come from when
Speaker 1: you were privately loaning to all of these hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of people. Where was it was it just outside
Speaker 1: investors that you promised an interest.
Speaker 5: To or no, no, no, no, well sorta. So there's
Speaker 5: a thing called capital markets around the world and money
Speaker 5: money markets. Money looks to attach yourself to an asset
Speaker 5: in the world. It could be mining, it could be
Speaker 5: home loans, it could be real estate. It's always looking
Speaker 5: to find where it's going to get its highest return
Speaker 5: with the least amount of risk. And Australian mortgages are
Speaker 5: one of the best returning asset classes in the world
Speaker 5: with one of the lowest risks because Australians always pay
Speaker 5: the mortgage back. We have the lowest default and arrears
Speaker 5: rate in the world and have done for thirty years.
Speaker 5: And there was a lot of money floating around the world.
Speaker 5: So I would go every six weeks, I go with
Speaker 5: my team to the US and then to Europe, and
Speaker 5: we'd raise a billion US dollars and different currencies, but
Speaker 5: let's say billion US dollars. And I would go to
Speaker 5: see Bill Gates's company, Bill Gates' foundation, or I go
Speaker 5: to see Merrill Lynch. And I had this group of
Speaker 5: people I would see be ten cities in the US,
Speaker 5: ten countries in Europe, and I'd raise a billion dollars.
Speaker 5: They would say to me, this is a return we
Speaker 5: want and I'd say, well, this is the return I'm
Speaker 5: going to give you. And by the way, you're going
Speaker 5: to have a mortgage sitting underneath, which is a strain morgin.
Speaker 5: And I convince them how our asset class was performing.
Speaker 5: And over time I built relationshships with them, and they
Speaker 5: were so flush for money they had to get rid
Speaker 5: of it because they couldn't leave it to sitting in
Speaker 5: an account doing nothing. So I would give them a place
Speaker 5: for them, an asset class for them to get rid
Speaker 5: of it on. And I did this for years and
Speaker 5: years and years. And that's the part of the business
Speaker 5: I ran. By the way, everyone thinks I was the
Speaker 5: marketing go and doing TV. So now I ran the
Speaker 5: part of the business which was a supply money.
Speaker 4: I ran the important partner.
Speaker 5: That's that's the imazing important part in every business. In
Speaker 5: your podcast business, it's about your content. How do you
Speaker 5: supply your audience with a new, interesting content and lots
Speaker 5: of it? And probably more often because they have a time,
Speaker 5: they want two podcasts with what they want a third
Speaker 5: one a different Yeah, he's got like five six seven
Speaker 5: a week, Joe Rogan like, and it's how can I
Speaker 5: supply more of these? Going to replicate myself in lots
Speaker 5: of ways, and that's sort of how I model my businesses.
Speaker 2: Do you ever struggle with imposter syndrome or you know
Speaker 2: that you have the confidence now from the years of successes,
Speaker 2: or is there ever just a time where you're like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know how I put another one off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did. In the early days of a Wizard,
Speaker 5: I certainly did you know. I remember someone said to me,
Speaker 5: let's do an advertising campaign. Kerry Packer said he was
Speaker 5: my partner, Kerry in Wizard business, and he said, let's
Speaker 5: do an advertising campaign. I've never done ad before, and
Speaker 5: he said, I want you in it, and he said,
Speaker 5: I want you to look at the campra. He told
Speaker 5: me how to do it and everything, and I had
Speaker 5: to go do an ad and I didn't know what
Speaker 5: I was doing, and I've definitely felt like I was imposter,
Speaker 5: Like I was forty years of age. So I just
Speaker 5: turned up in a white T shirt and a pair
Speaker 5: of jeans and a pair of boots and I had
Speaker 5: a like a V neck jumper onderneath, and they says
Speaker 5: that we're going to wear for the ad like I'm
Speaker 5: doing banking ads. Like bankers in those days, we're walking
Speaker 5: around tires and suits. And I turned up and said,
Speaker 5: well that's I thought this would be okay, and they said, okay,
Speaker 5: well whatever, we'll run with. It actually worked that well.
Speaker 3: Believe that's your point of difference.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't have known at the time.
Speaker 5: I didn't know. I hadn't have a clue.
Speaker 1: It's literally what people say, Oh, he's not like the rest.
Speaker 1: And also you probably look more trusting when someone comes.
Speaker 4: In in a suit and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Something's not right and I was different too.
Speaker 1: How many employees do you think you have worldwide?
Speaker 5: At a guess now, employees and contracts are a couple
Speaker 5: of thousand.
Speaker 1: And what do you think your employees would say about you?
Speaker 1: If I asked them if I said, what is Mark
Speaker 1: like as a boss?
Speaker 4: What do you think that'd say?
Speaker 5: Hopefully? I think not everyone agrees with my views on
Speaker 5: the way the business should be run. I think some
Speaker 5: of them get feel as though I don't spend enough
Speaker 5: time with them, and it's not possible for me to
Speaker 5: spend enough time with them, Like this week, I was
Speaker 5: in Melbourne. Tonight, I'll be in Brisbane the next night,
Speaker 5: I'll be in Hobart. Next week I will go to
Speaker 5: New Zealand because we've got a conference in New Zealand.
Speaker 5: And I get to a point and then I'm going
Speaker 5: to do all my podcasts somewhere in between, and I'm
Speaker 5: going to live a normal life, to try to live
Speaker 5: a normal life in between. So I don't probably don't
Speaker 5: get to see everyone enough, and probably that would be
Speaker 5: the thing that they would like about working with me.
Speaker 5: We don't get to see Mark enough. But I do
Speaker 5: as much as I can, and I'm always back feeling.
Speaker 5: So then sometimes my kids known some enough, so then
Speaker 5: I know my kids ring my EA to make an appointment,
Speaker 5: point to me have breakfast or lunch, but they just
Speaker 5: know it's more efficient to do that. Yeah, you know
Speaker 5: my kids when I send my kids, they're older, but
Speaker 5: you know, they're all in the thirties plus. But at
Speaker 5: least I've set up a structure, and I know Laura
Speaker 5: has a similar structure. That's why I made a comment
Speaker 5: to you about the other day. But you know, like
Speaker 5: I see all the parts that I have to satisfy,
Speaker 5: and I try to structure it up as best I can.
Speaker 3: But how do you find balance?
Speaker 2: When you say you try and find structure, I guess
Speaker 2: when everything is needing a bit of you, and everything
Speaker 2: is needing more of you, how do you prioritize the
Speaker 2: parts that are most.
Speaker 3: Important to you?
Speaker 5: And that sometimes creates a problem.
Speaker 4: For me, creates a divorce.
Speaker 5: I can create a divorce or medical problems. You know,
Speaker 5: you can get run down, which happens sometimes and every
Speaker 5: now and then I have to give myself an uppercut,
Speaker 5: and so I saying, I, Mark, what the hell do
Speaker 5: you think you're doing? Why accepting that invitation? Why accepting that?
Speaker 5: Sometimes I go yes to everything, and then I realized,
Speaker 5: what the hell have I done to myself? And particularly
Speaker 5: if you get the flu or something in the middle
Speaker 5: of it all, it's pretty tough. So I'm backfilling all
Speaker 5: the time and then over now and then empty the backpack.
Speaker 5: That's too much, Yeah, and I just overreact and take
Speaker 5: it all out. Someone doing anything for a couple of days,
Speaker 5: that's it. I'm big on weekends being no phone, no emails,
Speaker 5: no messages, but emails are a little bit tried to read
Speaker 5: less business stuff and try to relax. I really think
Speaker 5: you need. I need two days out of every seven
Speaker 5: just in my garden, visiting my dad, seeing my grandson,
Speaker 5: that sort of stuff, and banal tried commonplace, boring sort
Speaker 5: of stuff, you know, like watching Netflix or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that type of thing.
Speaker 2: What was the transition like for you when you started
Speaker 2: to progress into the media sphere not just being someone
Speaker 2: who is running successful businesses from behind the wall, that
Speaker 2: you then became the face of what running a successful
Speaker 2: business was like?
Speaker 3: How did you make that transition? And was there a
Speaker 3: period where I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, you struggled with it or that you were kind
Speaker 2: of out of your depth at a completely new medium.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good question, Like.
Speaker 4: That first commercial in the white T shirt.
Speaker 2: Apart from that, I mean, but it's such a big thing.
Speaker 2: There's one thing to run businesses to then be the
Speaker 2: face of what that means, and I think like in
Speaker 2: your role you kind of became the godfather of that.
Speaker 5: Look, this is Fennick. I was not that an aware person.
Speaker 5: I didn't really know what the fuck I was doing.
Speaker 3: Naivety. It goes a long way.
Speaker 5: Something and I'm one of those people who will try anything,
Speaker 5: so I'll give it a crack. I'll say yes to anything.
Speaker 5: My mum always used to say. She'd say to me,
Speaker 5: I booked you in for in a Steadford like a competition,
Speaker 5: piano competition. Like I just think I don't want to
Speaker 5: do that, Like, but okay, I'll do it, mum. And
Speaker 5: my mother always said, have a go at anything, whatever
Speaker 5: it is, go and try for this footy game, and
Speaker 5: you might get into the webside. So I just did
Speaker 5: all those things because other people suggested it, and it
Speaker 5: wasn't a conscious thing. I thought, well, shit, maybe I
Speaker 5: won't get accepted by the media, maybe I will, maybe
Speaker 5: this could be a blowout. Whatever. I just went and
Speaker 5: did it, and I thought, whatever the consequences are, i'll
Speaker 5: deal with it down the track. And I never really
Speaker 5: knew at the consequences because, as you said, I was
Speaker 5: noive to all this stuff.
Speaker 2: I also think it comes down to a personality type though,
Speaker 2: as well, because for some people, some people are real
Speaker 2: forward planners. Some people need to know that they have
Speaker 2: all their ducks in a row before they start something.
Speaker 2: And it's almost that like procrastination wheel that stops people
Speaker 2: from getting a head start because they need it to
Speaker 2: be perfect or need to know what the outcome will
Speaker 2: be before they can actually take the first step. And
Speaker 2: then there's other people that have the confidence to kind
Speaker 2: of charge forth into the unknown and just figure it
Speaker 2: out along the way. And that's definitely a personality trait
Speaker 2: which you seem to take into not just business, but
Speaker 2: into how you've approached media.
Speaker 5: Well, that's exactly my personality traits. It's not a strategy.
Speaker 5: It's probably more a strategy these days now I'm more
Speaker 5: aware of myself, but it was definitely a personality trait.
Speaker 5: And it's a bit like modeling, you know when you
Speaker 5: said a lot of people try to perfect the model
Speaker 5: before they launched the model.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: One thing I know about modeling, particularly like anytime modeling
Speaker 5: catwalk No, no, not that one.
Speaker 2: You should perfect before you get on the cats embarrassing
Speaker 2: business modeling is that you will never know all the
Speaker 2: inputs that you need to put into the model to
Speaker 2: make the model accurate.
Speaker 5: So therefore you might as well just start off and
Speaker 5: start refine the model as you go along. So that's
Speaker 5: how machine learning works, how you get AI. The machine
Speaker 5: refines the model as it goes, because it learns about
Speaker 5: the model, and that's sort of how I am. I
Speaker 5: take the view that I'll learn a long way. I'll
Speaker 5: pick up how I got to fix this thing up,
Speaker 5: and I'll change my direction or my strategy, whichever or
Speaker 5: tactically whichever way I got to go, because I think
Speaker 5: that's the best way, because I'd rather just start it
Speaker 5: because I'm starting because I'm curious in the first place.
Speaker 5: I want to see if I can do it. I mean,
Speaker 5: I wanted to know what I can learn from I'm
Speaker 5: interested in learning. I want to learn about as many
Speaker 5: things as possible. I want to meet as many people
Speaker 5: as possible to see what I can learn from them.
Speaker 5: And I don't want to sound like that's a terrible thing,
Speaker 5: but it sounds terrible, But I actually like to get
Speaker 5: something from you. And it could be a question you
Speaker 5: asked me, challenging me about something I've never thought about before.
Speaker 5: I'll give you an answer and I think, wow, I
Speaker 5: didn't realize that before. Or it could be me doing
Speaker 5: my podcast, or I'm actually asking you questions. I want
Speaker 5: to get something out of you. It's very selfish again,
Speaker 5: but it works, and if you do it in a
Speaker 5: nice way. You don't offend anybody, You try not to
Speaker 5: be hurtful. You'd be as sensitive as I possibly can.
Speaker 5: I'm not always that sensitive, but be a sensitive as
Speaker 5: possibly can. That works. I mean that's one of the
Speaker 5: reason why I stopped doing the apprentice show with a
Speaker 5: celebrit apprentice, because I felt as though it was a
Speaker 5: system that was a bit offensive. You know, reality TV
Speaker 5: can be a bit hurtful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's an understatement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in what ways did you find the Apprentice was having?
Speaker 5: Well, it's always about Look, reality TV doesn't workun lesser
Speaker 5: as emotions. Yeah, and you've got to get villains and heroes.
Speaker 2: Jeopardy as well, you've got to be some kind of
Speaker 2: cliffhanger that maybe not even is there and.
Speaker 5: They wanted to come back for the next episode. Drama
Speaker 5: leave it on a certain way.
Speaker 1: I also think the audience wants to see people in
Speaker 1: your position being hard on people and cutting people off,
Speaker 1: you know, mid sentence, telling them their piece of shit.
Speaker 1: It's why Gordon Ramsey is so successful in terms of
Speaker 1: his reality shows.
Speaker 4: It's this is what people are attracted to for something.
Speaker 5: Do you think that was the case.
Speaker 1: No, I still actually do, and we've had these discussions
Speaker 1: even if you look at things like The Bachelor. But
Speaker 1: I hate seeing it happen when a storyline's developing for
Speaker 1: somebody and you know they're pushing it. You know, people
Speaker 1: are getting bullied and trolled and people being nasty. But
Speaker 1: they've tried it where it was all lovey dovey and nothing,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work. It doesn't work because humans want
Speaker 1: to feel better about themselves by also watching other people
Speaker 1: not necessarily succeed.
Speaker 2: I totally agree we got BRIT's saying because I think
Speaker 2: for so long people say like, oh enough with the drama,
Speaker 2: like it's too much. You know, I can't watch it anymore.
Speaker 2: But yet Maths is the most watched reality TV show
Speaker 2: in Australia, and the entire show is based around putting
Speaker 2: people together. They'll put a couple of nice couples that
Speaker 2: work out, but the majority of people who have been
Speaker 2: partnered because they are literal polar opposites.
Speaker 5: If you're punching yourself there for watching it, it'll be
Speaker 5: the most explosive.
Speaker 3: I ever watched an episode. I mean I do.
Speaker 2: I watch it and I'm a sucker for it, But
Speaker 2: I think outreach culture. We're attracted to it throughout social
Speaker 2: media as well. You know, social media algorithms within Instagram
Speaker 2: are created in a way where it knows that if
Speaker 2: you're angry about content, you will stay on that content
Speaker 2: for longer. You will view content that makes you angry
Speaker 2: for a longer period of time than what you will
Speaker 2: view content that makes you feel good. And so it
Speaker 2: works that algorithm if you are outraged about something, if
Speaker 2: you're angry about something, that content will get pushed out
Speaker 2: to a bigger audience.
Speaker 3: And if you say, had a really lovely day today,
Speaker 3: drink a lovely coffee.
Speaker 1: But was that fed to you Mark on the show?
Speaker 1: Was that fed to you you know, like going and
Speaker 1: be brutal today?
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally. Well, well that's how they first approached me.
Speaker 5: They just said, this is a Trump show. Here's a
Speaker 5: video DVD. Watch that. That's how the show goes. And
Speaker 5: I said, well, I don't want to say you are
Speaker 5: five because it's a non Australian thing, and they said,
Speaker 5: well that's part of the FOS. You have to say it,
Speaker 5: and you have to point your finger, and.
Speaker 3: So you had to be like, you're fired serious.
Speaker 4: You weren't allowed that so.
Speaker 5: That sometimes they refilmed it, refilmed it, and it could
Speaker 5: do another take. You point the finger harder, say and like,
Speaker 5: and it's harder to say the second time, third time
Speaker 5: especially I've already said it once.
Speaker 4: The poor persons.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I know exactly. But TV, as you guys know,
Speaker 5: TV is a tough thing when you see behind the
Speaker 5: curtain what actually goes on. But I have to say
Speaker 5: it was a great experience for me as well. I
Speaker 5: met some good friends. I've still got some good mates
Speaker 5: out of the various contestants. I met a lot of
Speaker 5: people in the production crew, still good friends of mine.
Speaker 5: I enjoyed a hell of a lot. Not towards the
Speaker 5: end though, it wasn't so good.
Speaker 4: Was it a direct.
Speaker 1: Invitation from Trump for you to be the host of
Speaker 1: the Australian version?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 5: It was a guy called Mark Fennessy who used to
Speaker 5: own Free Mental Media and they had the global production
Speaker 5: rights of the show. The shows in twenty five countries.
Speaker 5: I did get to meet Trump, and in fact he
Speaker 5: contacted me once I was chosen. He contacted me through
Speaker 5: the people who do the management of around the world.
Speaker 5: He invited me to New York. I turned him down,
Speaker 5: and he got quite upset about it. He said, you know,
Speaker 5: I'll send you a free ticket business class ticket to
Speaker 5: come to New York and he stayed Trump Town and
Speaker 5: I said I don't want to come, and he said,
Speaker 5: were you seriously, I'm so and so on off for
Speaker 5: your free trip. I said, Mad, I'm by my first
Speaker 5: class ticket myself if I feel like it. I don't really.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't stay your hotel anyway.
Speaker 4: I don't need your free business.
Speaker 5: So he wasn't very happy with that. But I had
Speaker 5: lots of interview I interviewed him here in Australia when
Speaker 5: he came to Australia once a few years back. No,
Speaker 5: it was Mark Fantasy brought it to me. I was
Speaker 5: sort of doing nothing in two thousand and nine and
Speaker 5: he said, mate, someone suggested you for the show. Do
Speaker 5: you want to do a trial? I said, I don't
Speaker 5: know the show. I had never seen it. He said,
Speaker 5: he's a DVD watch it. We're going to come in
Speaker 5: and we'll come in the week and we're doing some
Speaker 5: TV people and cameras and will bring some actors.
Speaker 4: Practice your pointing, you do that and just.
Speaker 5: Go through the process. And I went through it. And
Speaker 5: I said to one of the guys at the end
Speaker 5: who he was an actor, and he answered me this
Speaker 5: question that I asked him, and it was so fucking
Speaker 5: stupid his answer, And as I said, that was the
Speaker 5: one thing that clinched the deal.
Speaker 3: Because you were polarizing. You came across as.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's going to say something that's unfiltered, right, and
Speaker 5: that's where they want unfiltered comments.
Speaker 2: Did you when you watch it back, did you dislike
Speaker 2: the way that you were coming across? Did you dislike
Speaker 2: the way that you were framed if you were being
Speaker 2: made to kind of be this far more just like
Speaker 2: opinionated and angry and seem like your your thoughts on
Speaker 2: things were so much further in the direction than what
Speaker 2: you necessarily felt to say normally. Did you watch that
Speaker 2: and go, that's not authentic to who I am as
Speaker 2: a person.
Speaker 5: To be honest with this, some of the people did
Speaker 5: annoy me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ah, I didn't have to act that one, so.
Speaker 5: And I was saying what I actually thought. Look, you
Speaker 5: know what it's like, they got you on the set
Speaker 5: for twelve hours. Yeah, in the studio, like they posted
Speaker 5: my boardrooms, Oh my god, I get there are six
Speaker 5: in the morning. It was seven days a week start
Speaker 5: at six am. I had a pre production briefing what
Speaker 5: happened the day before, and I'd be sitting there at
Speaker 5: six am and by eight o'clock they'd have all the
Speaker 5: celebrities at four thirty five am in the morning getting
Speaker 5: made up, and that all come because we used to
Speaker 5: have twelve people in the show and they'd all turn
Speaker 5: up and then be there like four or five o'clock
Speaker 5: in the afternoon. Some would say something so stupid. I mean,
Speaker 5: I had to tell able running with Pauline Hanson like
Speaker 5: a shocking one, like and she wanted to walk off
Speaker 5: the show and she can't because they saw an agreement
Speaker 5: you can't walk off the show we had, you know,
Speaker 5: like I won't say what she said, but it was
Speaker 5: really dreadful what she said. And another one one of
Speaker 5: my sons was actually my advisor in one of the shows.
Speaker 5: In two of the series, there was nearly a punch
Speaker 5: up between him and Jason Akamanis, the AFL guy wasn't film. Fortunately.
Speaker 5: I remember Johnny Stefferson, the Olympic runner for him to
Speaker 5: me to runner and Jeff Ennick were on one show
Speaker 5: and they nearly had a punch up which I had
Speaker 5: to step in between the two of them out the
Speaker 5: back in a storeroom. And so at the end of
Speaker 5: the day you get pretty agitate yourself. So a lot
Speaker 5: of stuff that came out was me just being honest.
Speaker 5: But I did have a bugger mere. So there was
Speaker 5: always they always talking to me from the production unit
Speaker 5: outside saying she's not watching, she's lost your gaze or
Speaker 5: some of that, or he's not paying attention, or he
Speaker 5: did this, that and the other. So they were always
Speaker 5: prompting me to rip in and every now and then
Speaker 5: if I felt there was a flat spot, I would.
Speaker 2: Who was the I mean, we just said some of
Speaker 2: the celebrities who might have been the hardest for you
Speaker 2: to deal with, But who, in your experience was the
Speaker 2: best celebrity that you had to work with?
Speaker 5: Julia Julia Morris. Yes, not Julie Giller. Julie Giller didn't
Speaker 5: come on. I would have loved to have Julia Morris.
Speaker 5: She's so funny, so cool, so quick and gets it
Speaker 5: like she was just brilliant in everything she did. So
Speaker 5: she was definitely one of my favorites. And look like
Speaker 5: they all are doing this to get a leg up
Speaker 5: into TV mostly mostly.
Speaker 2: To extend their profile, to build on their profile, I think,
Speaker 2: which is fair. I know, and sometimes we say it
Speaker 2: like that's a like we're like, oh, they're just doing
Speaker 2: it to build their profile. Everybody's doing every opportunity their
Speaker 2: work career is to get a pay rise or to
Speaker 2: get a raise or increase their employment. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if you're in media or if you're working as a
Speaker 2: sales assistant. Like, we're all working hard to get noticed.
Speaker 5: Sign no drum with it, Yeah, and that's what the
Speaker 5: show was sort of about. It's about getting celebrities who
Speaker 5: trying to get back into the scene. So I had
Speaker 5: no drama with it. Where I had drama was where
Speaker 5: they weren't straight with me. I don't know people I've
Speaker 5: been straight, but David Haslhoff was sort of really interesting.
Speaker 5: Like we had the holf on one series there and
Speaker 5: I remember saying to me, he said, Mark, I've got
Speaker 5: to go to Austria. I've been booked to do the
Speaker 5: birthday party of someone, mister Glock. The guy's got the
Speaker 5: glock pistols, some old dude. And I didn't realize that
Speaker 5: Hoff was so famous in Austria. He's very famous. Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: totally famous. So he was on the wall when the
Speaker 5: Berlin Wall was coming down, singing some song in German
Speaker 5: for everybody was It was like a number one hit
Speaker 5: in Europe. So Hoff had no understanding of the rules
Speaker 5: of the show. Zero I've got to go, I'm going
Speaker 5: to earn a whold of money. Hold the show until
Speaker 5: I come back, which is what we did. We had
Speaker 5: to stop filming until he came back because the item
Speaker 5: fired him and I had no reason to fire him,
Speaker 5: so we had to hold the show until he came back.
Speaker 5: So I got to sort of see some already already
Speaker 5: knew Hoff because I had a girlfriend in la who
Speaker 5: was friends with Hoff, and when Hoff was married and
Speaker 5: his friends with his wife, and those are the days
Speaker 5: when he was drinking a lot and his wife is
Speaker 5: drinking a lot, and they're in the sort of breakoup period.
Speaker 5: And when he came back to Australia, unfortunately, somehow the
Speaker 5: current fair of one of those shows showed a video
Speaker 5: of him that was on YouTube, of his daughter crying
Speaker 5: to him about Dad stopped drinking. And then when he
Speaker 5: saw it, we're filming and you come up to me
Speaker 5: and said I'm out. I'm leaving the show because you
Speaker 5: guys have embarrassed me on Australian television. It was n nothing
Speaker 5: to do with me, mate, like I didn't you know?
Speaker 5: And that was a YouTube video totally And I end
Speaker 5: up having to put him up in my apartment in
Speaker 5: the city of Macross Street for three weeks. We lavished
Speaker 5: him with everything he possibly imagine and we had a
Speaker 5: sort of pretty much bribing him back into staying on
Speaker 5: the show. But they're interesting people. But to answer your question,
Speaker 5: Julie Morris by far was a standout.
Speaker 3: Oh I love the water compliment, I know.
Speaker 2: And she isn't like Australia's darling. So it's so nice
Speaker 2: when you hear about people that we see on TV
Speaker 2: every day when there is amazing is what you hope
Speaker 2: they are?
Speaker 5: She really so and she still texts me and says
Speaker 5: hey you going and all that sort of stuff. And
Speaker 5: I have everybody's text, every being persons on the show.
Speaker 5: I have all the text numbers and when they left
Speaker 5: I would send them a little note and text and
Speaker 5: say how are you going? They will have my text
Speaker 5: number two say look I'm sorry I had to fire you, but.
Speaker 2: Like you but you're so y before we do let
Speaker 2: you go, I mean, I feel like we can't have
Speaker 2: possibly Australia's most experienced businessman without asking you what would
Speaker 2: be And this is a very open question, but what
Speaker 2: would be the best piece of business advice that you
Speaker 2: have learned over the years.
Speaker 5: If you've got a business that's selling into somebody, make
Speaker 5: sure you're selling into what is called a rising tide.
Speaker 5: So know what is a rising tide globally, not just
Speaker 5: in Australia, globally. So it could be something to do
Speaker 5: with artificial intelligence, because there's a rising tide there. I mean,
Speaker 5: who knows whether the tide will go to, how quickly
Speaker 5: it will rise, or whether it will ever be deflated.
Speaker 5: But any business that has some application to artificial intelligence
Speaker 5: and machine learning today as far as and like chat
Speaker 5: you between all that sort of stuff, from my point
Speaker 5: of view, is a good place to start to build
Speaker 5: your business aspirations. It could be something to do with
Speaker 5: technology podcasts. Example, it's probably tougher today, but like when
Speaker 5: we were setting up our.
Speaker 2: Podcast when we started, yeah, it was a rising tide
Speaker 2: and being an early adopter, the idea.
Speaker 5: Of adopt early and find out what is a rising tide.
Speaker 5: So always be paying attention with what's going on locally,
Speaker 5: but probably more importantly overseas. And where's everyone directing their
Speaker 5: attention in the early stages. And do I have an application?
Speaker 5: Do I have the skills and application to go into
Speaker 5: that environment. Don't try and get into those environments after
Speaker 5: seven or eight years when it's completely full and very competitive,
Speaker 5: because then you're just going to be either buying yourself
Speaker 5: or investing in a business that's you could probably go
Speaker 5: and get a job somewhere in the same amount of
Speaker 5: money and have nowhere near the hassle. So look for
Speaker 5: the rising tides.
Speaker 2: Mark, thank you so much for being a part of
Speaker 2: the pod. You are insightful but also a joy to
Speaker 2: speak to. Thanks going ask so much of your time today.
Speaker 5: Thanks very much.
Speaker 4: I'm pretti about you. But I'm going to start a business.
Speaker 5: I find the rising tide.
Speaker 1: I'm rising the tide running all the way into the sunset. Well,
Speaker 1: you guys know we never finished an episode without our
Speaker 1: suck and our sweet, our highlight and our lowlight of
Speaker 1: the week.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna kick it off, so alright, just been there, girlfriend,
Speaker 3: that's all. I have one quick suck.
Speaker 1: That was just like a real, real suck, which is
Speaker 1: I've been horrifically ill.
Speaker 3: Now I feel like I've taken over you. You're so dramatic.
Speaker 3: I only think Matt is the second most dramatic person.
Speaker 3: Well horrifically ill.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I was hovering over quite an I do
Speaker 1: for myself. Yeah, it was really bad, and I feel
Speaker 1: like I've taken over you. I feel like there was
Speaker 1: a little while ago that you were on this you
Speaker 1: were sick all the time, and I was really healthy.
Speaker 2: Now I feel like I'm getting sick all the time.
Speaker 2: But I'm not healthy. I'm like a shell of a human.
Speaker 2: All I do is dance, dance, dance.
Speaker 3: I do is dance, dance, dance.
Speaker 1: So really sick, as in this has not happened to
Speaker 1: me before. But I got really bad vertico in my sleep,
Speaker 1: which is where the world is spinning and then you
Speaker 1: start vomiting and you cannot move your head anyway or
Speaker 1: you vomit.
Speaker 3: I vomited for twelve hours straight.
Speaker 2: It was wild, and they thought that it maybe was
Speaker 2: a side effect from doing the skin treatment.
Speaker 1: Nothing related nut. I didn't know anyway. We won't to
Speaker 1: go too deep into that for now. So that was
Speaker 1: one suck and now I'm going to go into my suite.
Speaker 1: We will go into another suck. So my swite bear
Speaker 1: with me. My sweet of the week was I never
Speaker 1: hang anything in my house. I got some art recently
Speaker 1: and I loved it. I moved my house around, I
Speaker 1: moved to my furnishure around and now there are these big.
Speaker 3: Walls that were like really barren. So I was like,
Speaker 3: I need to hang some art on there.
Speaker 1: And so I got all romantic and I.
Speaker 3: Produced thes laughing because.
Speaker 1: She knows online ordered three frames of photos to be
Speaker 1: delivered to my house because I'm too lazy and don't
Speaker 1: have time to go do it. Of Ben and I
Speaker 1: when we did that really funny on the spare of
Speaker 1: the moment professional photo shoot at the Louver in Paris.
Speaker 1: If you don't know that story, guys, we were at
Speaker 1: the Louver in Paris and this Rando photographer asked to
Speaker 1: come and shoot us. We thought it was a scam,
Speaker 1: we said yes for a laugh, and we ended up
Speaker 1: getting these really beautiful photos from it. So I ordered
Speaker 1: three of them and printed them out decent side, and
Speaker 1: I put all three of them on this one wall
Speaker 1: in my laundroom really next to each other.
Speaker 3: I thought it looked really good.
Speaker 1: And I was so proud of the fact that I
Speaker 1: did it on my own. I hung it, I measured it.
Speaker 1: I was just really feeling myself. The pictures are great,
Speaker 1: and I'm in love. This is going into my suck is.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really nice. I've never been in
Speaker 1: love and put a picture up of me and my
Speaker 1: partner in my existence first time.
Speaker 3: All my friends do it, everyone else does it? Anyway,
Speaker 3: Do I do that?
Speaker 4: Do people put off?
Speaker 1: Yes? I go into my friend's house and there's like
Speaker 1: giant nude photoshoots of them. Anyway, really yeah, so producer
Speaker 1: Keisha and my other friend Kim. Yes, I'm naming shaming you, Kim.
Speaker 1: They both they both come into my house and just
Speaker 1: start tearing strips off me for the fact that I
Speaker 1: put photos up of myself and my partner in the
Speaker 1: lound room. First of all, they were like, Okay, it
Speaker 1: either looks like someone's died. Someone's died and this is
Speaker 1: a shrine, or it looks like a wedding shoot. And
Speaker 1: apparently you're not allowed to put photos up of yourself
Speaker 1: and your partner unless you're married. Now I disagree.
Speaker 3: I think that is bullshit. I'm calling bullshit.
Speaker 1: Why do I have to be married to put photos
Speaker 1: up of me and my lover?
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that Like I mean, I have
Speaker 2: a couple of little photos of Matt and I. We
Speaker 2: got this like little pack and there was a few
Speaker 2: photos of us.
Speaker 3: And like all once you put on the wall.
Speaker 2: They're like hard picture frames that you put on like
Speaker 2: a little side table.
Speaker 3: So there's a couple of those of Matt nite.
Speaker 2: I think it's more the fact because your lounge room
Speaker 2: is the first room you walk into when you enter
Speaker 2: your house.
Speaker 3: I don't have a west wing in an east wing.
Speaker 3: I've got a tiny apartment totally. You walk in and
Speaker 3: there's a lounge room.
Speaker 2: So maybe it looks like a shrine because it's three
Speaker 2: big photos together. But can I just in your defense,
Speaker 2: because your partner and you're doing long distance, you don't
Speaker 2: see them every day, so it's nice to have like
Speaker 2: a daily shrine to sit and look at.
Speaker 1: Also, I sort of did it because he's coming here
Speaker 1: in two weeks to visit, and I want him to
Speaker 1: be like, oh cute, Like I mean something to her.
Speaker 3: She's done something. Well, you think he's gonna see it
Speaker 3: and be like, babe, why have you got a shrine?
Speaker 1: Because because I showed him and he thought it was
Speaker 1: really cute. And at the end of the day, fuck you,
Speaker 1: produce a Keyser and Kim, I will shrine the shit
Speaker 1: out of my us.
Speaker 3: I love to know.
Speaker 2: I would love to know who has big photos of
Speaker 2: them and their partner put on the wall.
Speaker 1: I know, but they're usually wedding shoots. Is the difference.
Speaker 1: But what if I choose to never get married and
Speaker 1: just be in love? Does that mean I can't also
Speaker 1: bask in my own love.
Speaker 2: No, You're allowed to bask in love. That's beautiful. I'm
Speaker 2: so happy with the basking and the loving. But I
Speaker 2: would like to know where the limit is. Like I
Speaker 2: know that a picture in a picture frame on a
Speaker 2: side table is completely fine, and so.
Speaker 1: If it transitions to the wall, it's not okay.
Speaker 2: But if it's bigger than a four and it's on
Speaker 2: a wall and there's three of them, is that not appropriate? Like?
Speaker 2: What limit to the proclamation of love? Are you allowed
Speaker 2: to have in your own living space? Or love?
Speaker 3: Yeah, declaration whatever? Or can you just have whatever?
Speaker 1: Love?
Speaker 3: Can you have like.
Speaker 2: A full fucking artwork made of you and your partner
Speaker 2: and your love of each other.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: And just to clarify, guys, this isn't like they are
Speaker 1: only A four sized photos. There's three of them, so
Speaker 1: it's more like an A four. Yeah, but then they've
Speaker 1: got the frame so I had to couple of centimeters.
Speaker 3: But then there's three.
Speaker 1: But they're all of the same shoot, which I thought
Speaker 1: was a vibe. But I'm not very good at aesthetics.
Speaker 1: So it's all three different photos from the loop which
Speaker 1: stuff you all.
Speaker 3: I like it. I can't wait to see this. I
Speaker 3: can't wait.
Speaker 1: I'll take a photo of you because you don't come
Speaker 1: to my house anymore, so hard they ever get to
Speaker 1: come to your house?
Speaker 3: That's not true.
Speaker 1: I was there the other week, but I was quite
Speaker 1: offended producing she wants to put it on Insta.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think we can put it on instat
Speaker 2: because that just opens it up to a vote of
Speaker 2: people saying whether it's okay or not okay, which I think.
Speaker 2: You know what, it's your house. You do what if
Speaker 2: you want to in your house? And that's Okay, if
Speaker 2: you want to do a shrine of dildos on the wall,
Speaker 2: that's fine too.
Speaker 3: This is my point.
Speaker 1: I was so taken aback that these two were laughing
Speaker 1: at me and had the audacity to laugh in me
Speaker 1: in my own home after I bought them dinner.
Speaker 3: I was like, the hide of them. I think it's fine.
Speaker 1: I've seen heaps people with photos of their partners, and
Speaker 1: I reckon, if we do a poll, which you know.
Speaker 3: We're all gonna do, we're gonna do an Instagram pole.
Speaker 3: I think it's okay.
Speaker 2: I don't have a single wedding photo in my house,
Speaker 2: not a single one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's.
Speaker 1: Doesn't shock me because you're a very disorganized person.
Speaker 3: Oh you think it's just because I haven't gotten around
Speaker 3: to it yet.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that will never be done because it's not a
Speaker 1: priority for you at the moment.
Speaker 3: You've got too much other stuff going on. But nah,
Speaker 3: I just don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've got them in a nice book, and
Speaker 2: Matt got a lovely wedding book made up. I just
Speaker 2: don't think I'm a wedding photos in my house kind
Speaker 2: of person.
Speaker 3: I think it's a I don't know, it's a beautiful
Speaker 3: day that shocks me.
Speaker 1: I think it would be nice to have a wedding
Speaker 1: photo you get once in your life, the best day
Speaker 1: of your life, I hope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you should print one. I'll print you
Speaker 3: a couple. Well, you know where to buy them, so
Speaker 3: could you for me? I'll send you the link, swipe up,
Speaker 3: temps and on.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, So my second sweet for the week
Speaker 2: is my suck is a boring one. And I know,
Speaker 2: I mean I say quite a bit recently, but I'm
Speaker 2: going to say it anyway. Things have been so busy recently.
Speaker 2: I've had Matt's mum come in and stay with me.
Speaker 2: She's not suck. Ellie's actually my sweet. She's fucking amazing
Speaker 2: life saver. But I just literally have not seen my kids.
Speaker 2: Like training and fitting work schedule around everything has meant
Speaker 2: that I'm out of the house at six am.
Speaker 3: You miss Marley's eighteenth birthday. Yeah, Marley's moved out her home.
Speaker 2: I am not home until seven pm most nights, which
Speaker 2: means I'm pretty much missing from the time that they
Speaker 2: wake up until the time they go to bed. I
Speaker 2: know it is just a period in time, Like I know,
Speaker 2: it's only for like another eleven days of filming. But
Speaker 2: it's really hard, and it's been now for like the
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks that my ability to spend time
Speaker 2: with them has gone les less and less, and it's
Speaker 2: at the point now it really affects me. I get
Speaker 2: up in the morning and I feel really sad that
Speaker 2: I can't spend more time with them. Yeah, it's fair,
Speaker 2: And I know for me as well, as much as
Speaker 2: I've loved doing Dancing with the Stars, it's been really really.
Speaker 3: Fun and I love all the work that I do.
Speaker 2: I know that like that's it for me for a while,
Speaker 2: Like I need some I need some time out.
Speaker 3: You do, Yeah, but it's like, do not say yes
Speaker 3: or anything else. I was hoping you'd say that. I
Speaker 3: hoping you get there on your own. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just it was my nephew's birthday party on the weekend,
Speaker 2: which I couldn't go to, and I just feel like
Speaker 2: I'm missing out on stuff with you. It is.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things in life that sometimes saying
Speaker 1: yes to one opportunity means there's a sacrifice in another
Speaker 1: aspect of your life.
Speaker 3: And we talk about that with Mark Burris.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things and you chose this opportunity,
Speaker 1: which you've had a great time and you've learned, and
Speaker 1: but something had to give and it will be over
Speaker 1: soon and you'll be back on track.
Speaker 3: You definitely need to go take a fucking breath and
Speaker 3: get a message.
Speaker 2: And I need it's a magnesium and maybe sit a
Speaker 2: nice bath to get laid. No, had sex the other day. Yes,
Speaker 2: Nana took the kids out at lunchtime and I was
Speaker 2: gonna have a nap, but we had sex instead lunchtime nap. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I had lunchtime sex. Midday minusion to Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: like literally one o'clock and I was like a literation.
Speaker 3: Did I have a midday threesome with my mother in law?
Speaker 3: I just went for the literation thing.
Speaker 2: No, No, okay, I haven't had any reasons, as we
Speaker 2: established earlier, and my sweet for the week is my
Speaker 2: mother in law. And the reason for that is that
Speaker 2: Ellie Matt's mum has taken three weeks of annual leave
Speaker 2: to come and live with us, and she has just
Speaker 2: been doing everything. So she's been cooking, she's been cleaning,
Speaker 2: she's been filling up the love cup for the kids
Speaker 2: because I've not been there to do it. And she
Speaker 2: just is fucking amazing and it really reminds me that
Speaker 2: it takes a village.
Speaker 3: You can't do it all in.
Speaker 2: Your and you know, I think that's kind of been
Speaker 2: the theme of today's podcast episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Well that is it from us. Guys. If
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