WEBVTT - Being Successful Led To My Divorce - Uncut with Mark Bouris

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<v Speaker 1>Life on Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose

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<v Speaker 1>lands were never seated. We pay our respects to their

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<v Speaker 1>elders past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was

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<v Speaker 2>recorded on Drug Wallamuta Land. Hi guys, and welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>to another episode of Life on Cut.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and it's a what was that?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I was just going to start this intro again

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<v Speaker 1>because I just made a mistake. But let's just cause

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<v Speaker 1>betas bade, none of us have really slept because we

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<v Speaker 1>went to a performance last night, a concert of sorts.

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<v Speaker 2>Da da no No. We are running on about four

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<v Speaker 2>or five hours sleep today. And the reason for that is,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I said on the other week that it

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be my first confide dancing with the stars,

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<v Speaker 2>but then there was some like crazy ass production issues

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<v Speaker 2>that happened.

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<v Speaker 3>So last night was the night.

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday night was the night I gived my little lass off.

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<v Speaker 1>You really did, So it's a I don't know, Laura.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we say where it is? Can we say where

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<v Speaker 1>it's filmed? Can we say what we did last night?

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<v Speaker 2>Or to be honest, I'm actually not even sure how

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<v Speaker 2>much of it I'm allowed to tell you yet because

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<v Speaker 2>obviously so the show Dancing with the Stars is pre

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<v Speaker 2>recorded and we are competing now, and then it comes

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<v Speaker 2>out I don't know a couple weeks, maybe a month weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>who knows, who knows exactly when it comes out. But

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<v Speaker 2>basically the competition has now started and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how much I can tell you or can't tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>But Britain Keisha were both there. My mother in law came,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt came, my sister came with.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a whole thing, and I embarrassingly threw my

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<v Speaker 2>body around a dance floor in front of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people.

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<v Speaker 1>No, so it's out at a Sydney Olympic Park, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like Homebush Stadium.

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<v Speaker 3>Will you tell the details? And then I can't go

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<v Speaker 3>in trouble the.

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<v Speaker 1>Sign nothing you keep me on the show. It's out

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<v Speaker 1>at Olympic Park, which is a great facility, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>also an hour drive from us, and it was quite

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<v Speaker 1>late at night, so we all went out there. We

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<v Speaker 1>piled in and TV takes a long time to film

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<v Speaker 1>like it does. There's a lot of setting up and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of redoing the set.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of time in between performances as well,

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<v Speaker 2>Like everything when you watch on TV is like it's

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<v Speaker 2>really snappy, it's really I mean, obviously they're making a

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<v Speaker 2>TV show, but there's a lot of stopdowns in between

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<v Speaker 2>each dance. And when there's a stop down between each dance,

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<v Speaker 2>there's some poor guy in the crowd, which is like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody gem and then everyone in the crowd has to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we woo girled.

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<v Speaker 2>We were woo girls for six hours, six hours, six

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<v Speaker 2>hours of wooing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Kish and I were worked it out. We left

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<v Speaker 1>the house for seven and a half hours. But to

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<v Speaker 1>watch your one minute, isn't that crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>There's what like seven couples dancing and you get one

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<v Speaker 2>and a half minutes out of each of them, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty much an hour. It was one and a

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<v Speaker 2>half minute throwing bodies around a dance floor.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, when you do the math like that, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was worth It's that's seven hours no sleep

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<v Speaker 1>was worth watching your one and a half minutes because

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing there's actually, you know, there's so much prep work, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like we don't see you, we don't see the dances

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. You're in the audience for literally

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<v Speaker 1>hours as they're going through what the night's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be and prepping and showing you where people gonna come.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's a fire, exit over here, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>we will run, don't worry, were out, It's okay. But

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<v Speaker 1>then when the dancers start coming on, nothing makes you

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<v Speaker 1>happier than like hearing the music, seeing people moving, seeing

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<v Speaker 1>people have fun, and it like reinvigorates you with the energy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when you came out and did your thing,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like we were just like screaming the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>You looked amazing. Okay, I know we can't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so shit because I want to tell you everything now,

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<v Speaker 2>and as soon as I get fired, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But I will get into a lot of travel from

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<v Speaker 3>Channel seven.

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<v Speaker 2>But as soon as I can tell you exactly what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on, of course you will all be the first

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<v Speaker 2>to know. But look, there is a real variation in

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<v Speaker 2>skill set. Let's just say that there's some very very

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<v Speaker 2>very good dances and then some very very not good dances.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm definitely on the not good side. No you are.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're sitting somewhere happy in the middle at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, there's room for improvement, but it could be

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<v Speaker 1>way worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there was poor I'm not gonna name anyone, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's one couple that were to stand out for being terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>but everyone loved them. I'm not evenna say if it

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<v Speaker 1>was a man and a woman, everybody loved them.

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<v Speaker 3>It was so endearing.

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<v Speaker 1>There was just an unfortunate mishap in the dance, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's always that. There's always somebody that is really no good.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they cast, Like when they cast the Bachelor,

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<v Speaker 1>they cast the people that are gonna find love. They

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<v Speaker 1>cast the people that are gonna be ridiculous and cause drama.

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<v Speaker 3>Same with dancing with the stuff. It's definitely one thing

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<v Speaker 3>I realized.

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<v Speaker 2>So you train so hard for so long that you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like if you're terrible, the whole of Australia is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna look at you and be like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>this is so cringe.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so embarrassed for her or him when you like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But watching everybody, the people who were genuinely terrible are

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<v Speaker 2>probably my favorite dancers to watch because they're so cute, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's I don't know, I don't say that a patronizing way.

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<v Speaker 2>I just mean, like I will if you give them

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<v Speaker 2>a bad score, I will protect them with all my

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<v Speaker 2>heart because they're so.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so you know when you're shit right, like oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really you do hurting me fucking clue, let me

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know when you're bad, so you know what

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<v Speaker 3>the score is going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just I imagine you're just happy to be there and

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<v Speaker 1>you've had fun. It's not like a legitimate competition that

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't trained your whole life for it and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't make the final like this is you, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you, there's nothing more clear than moving

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<v Speaker 2>your body and realizing that the beat is not when

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<v Speaker 2>you're moving it like halfway through and you're like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not in time, nothing about this is your fucking time.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think also, you guys probably are all a

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<v Speaker 1>lot harder on yourselves than what the audience sees. So

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<v Speaker 1>in your head, not you, but like dancers, because there

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<v Speaker 1>were a few people that made a couple of little mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the way that they described it was that

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<v Speaker 1>the mistakes were bigger than we saw. So you guys

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<v Speaker 1>know you're making mistakes because you know the dance. The

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<v Speaker 1>audience doesn't necessarily know that unless you've someone's dropped someone.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the time we don't know just how

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<v Speaker 1>big the mistake is. So I think I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I had fun. I had a great time.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see more dances.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's not very long away, okay, so it will

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<v Speaker 2>be on TV in a couple of weeks time. You

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<v Speaker 2>can all laugh at me together, or don't laugh at me, like,

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<v Speaker 2>please get behind me.

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<v Speaker 3>I need the sport. It's really really tomoralizing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm doing my absolute fucking best, guys, and I honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>as much as I've loved it, I cannot wait to

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<v Speaker 2>never do a jive kick ever again in my entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>My favorite thing, and I cannot wait for you to

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<v Speaker 1>watch back, is to see your face, your facials.

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<v Speaker 3>Your facials will liver and free in my mind for

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of my life, and I cannot wait. It

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like is this chicken tracks like this happening? Is

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<v Speaker 3>this adrenaline? Why she just sculled five v's at the back?

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<v Speaker 3>I was baked in adrenaline, fear and faked hand, just

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<v Speaker 3>fucking all over that, Dancel. I would make sure we

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<v Speaker 3>get some precious schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get some freeze frames. When it happens, we can

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<v Speaker 2>just do a series of my face. I know everyone listen,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like, what are you talking about? But look

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<v Speaker 2>it's coming and it's joyful. It's worth the way. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a few things we want to talk about. On

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<v Speaker 2>today's episode. We are interviewing Mark Borris, who do you

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<v Speaker 2>know what. I loved this interview and for anybody who

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know who he is, he's literally like a business superstar.

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<v Speaker 2>He's easily one of the most successful businessmen in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the host of Celebrity Apprentice for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, love our reality TV shows.

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<v Speaker 1>And The Apprentice, The Apprentice and the Celebrity Prentice. Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>he did both. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>He told everyone that they're fired, you're fined.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>He was the one that had to point and be like,

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<v Speaker 3>you're fired, you're fired now.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons why I loved this chat is

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, we do love our relationships. Here is

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<v Speaker 2>the way he spoke about his business successes, but alongside

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<v Speaker 2>his life challenges. And I say that because Mark himself

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<v Speaker 2>has had three separate divorces, and I think from the outset,

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<v Speaker 2>you can look at his life and think he has

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<v Speaker 2>been so incredibly successful, which he has been, but he

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<v Speaker 2>really talks about this concept of not being able to

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<v Speaker 2>have it all and the priorities and where things sat

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<v Speaker 2>in him life in terms of priorities, and how him

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<v Speaker 2>selling his very first business for literally hundreds of millions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars half a billion dollars, half a billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>is what also cost him his long term marriage and relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it is a great conversation around not just success,

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<v Speaker 2>but around divorce and around how priorities sit in life,

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<v Speaker 2>whether that be your focus on work or your focus

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<v Speaker 2>on relationships and connection.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's nice to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually quite refreshing to hear someone say the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say that as in other people don't,

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<v Speaker 1>but you constantly hear this, you know, it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>live Luf love thing, all the memes that go around.

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<v Speaker 1>You do hear people say you can have it all.

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<v Speaker 1>You fucking can't you if you work your ass off?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we all have the same hours in the

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<v Speaker 1>day as Oprah whatever, if all of these things, like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's true, we do all have the same hours, but

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<v Speaker 1>we know that this, you know, is surface level. The

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he was like, you really can't have it all.

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<v Speaker 1>You can have aspects of all of it. You can

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<v Speaker 1>have a relationship and be really successful, but one of

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<v Speaker 1>them is going to take precedence, and one of them

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<v Speaker 1>is going to suffer. For Mark, his drive in life

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<v Speaker 1>and what he lives for is work.

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<v Speaker 3>It is business.

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<v Speaker 1>He sold one business for five hundred million dollars. He

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<v Speaker 1>still works constantly. He's constantly still doing things because it's

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<v Speaker 1>his drive. It's what fills his coupets, what fulfills him.

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<v Speaker 1>And he'll honestly say, I know my relationship suffer. And

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<v Speaker 1>now moving forward in his relationships, he'll say, my partner

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<v Speaker 1>now or whatever, whoever he will be with, has to

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<v Speaker 1>understand that that is going to be a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of his life. And they're going to have that conversation

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<v Speaker 1>early on. And I think that that's probably something a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people don't want to hear, but it's the

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<v Speaker 1>truth for him and for his life, and he knows

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<v Speaker 1>now to move forward, if he's going to make a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship work. He has to be really honest and say

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<v Speaker 1>this is probably going to, you know, be more important

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<v Speaker 1>than you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's interesting as well because we see this

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<v Speaker 2>not just with people who are business people, but something

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<v Speaker 2>that you've experienced for it as well. We see with

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<v Speaker 2>professional sports people when somebody has something in life, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's their career, whether it is their sporting challenges, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is that takes main priority, we can think that

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<v Speaker 2>they're being selfish in their relationships. But something that Mark

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<v Speaker 2>spoke about was it's not about being selfish. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>talking and being honest about what is a priority to you,

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<v Speaker 2>and then people can choose how they want to be

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<v Speaker 2>a part of your life. In response to that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the things I mean when you

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<v Speaker 2>just said this whole conversation about having it all Michelle Obama,

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<v Speaker 2>I love the quote which she said, which was you

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<v Speaker 2>can have it all, just not at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think Mark is the perfect example of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is all coming up now before we get

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<v Speaker 2>into speaking to Mark. Something we did want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>We on Thursday's episode were talking about Carolina Santos. If

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<v Speaker 2>you listen to ask Gunkut, we were talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>she had slid into Michael Disorto, which is the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>fashion label, to get herself some free tickets to Australian

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<v Speaker 2>Fashion Week. Now, there was a DM exchange. That exchange

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<v Speaker 2>was shared across a few news outlets. It was doing

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<v Speaker 2>the reund it was doing the rounds, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>shut down by the fashion label. But the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>we discussed was how it is more problematic when a

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<v Speaker 2>brand or a restaurant or something shares dms from an

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<v Speaker 2>influencer to try and shame them. The reason why we

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to bring this up is because there has been

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<v Speaker 2>more revelations that have come to light, and also some

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<v Speaker 2>of you guys slid into our dms and we always

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<v Speaker 2>want to make sure that we are giving you the

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<v Speaker 2>right information and we're discussing things in the right way,

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<v Speaker 2>and when we do make an error or don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the right.

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<v Speaker 3>Information at hand, we want to address that.

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<v Speaker 2>So we assumed that the brand were the ones to

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<v Speaker 2>release those dms, which was kind of what was implied

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<v Speaker 2>at the time by the articles that had come out

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<v Speaker 2>at the time when we'd done the recordings. But since

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<v Speaker 2>then there has been more information and it wasn't the

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<v Speaker 2>brand who leaked the DMS in the first place. It

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<v Speaker 2>was one of Carolina's friends. So basically, Carolina apparently put

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<v Speaker 2>it on her stories on her close friends Instagram story

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<v Speaker 2>here where you have.

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<v Speaker 3>Like ten of your friends and that's all that the

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<v Speaker 3>only people that see it.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of her fucking friends screenshot it and sent

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<v Speaker 2>it to the news outlets.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like a dog, yeap, good friend. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>keep those friends around. I think people were us included,

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<v Speaker 1>but everyone was making the assumption that it was the brand,

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<v Speaker 1>because who in their right mind would release their own

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<v Speaker 1>humiliating dissing Yeah, so that's why the assumption was made

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<v Speaker 1>that it was obviously the brand, because everyone's like, who

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<v Speaker 1>would possibly do it? But to hear that it was,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and this is all assumptions again, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if the friend has come out and confirmed us,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're going to say that. But now the story

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<v Speaker 1>is that, yeah, it's a friend that leaked the DMS,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is wild. Who is doing this to

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<v Speaker 1>their friends totally?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like it's probably time to have a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a reassessment of who's in your close friends group.

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<v Speaker 1>It's literally like the very smaller Australian version of the

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<v Speaker 1>Wagatha Christie shit that went down in the UK.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think most people would have heard of the

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<v Speaker 3>wagon Wagath. Why do I have a lot of troules

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<v Speaker 3>saying Wagatha.

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<v Speaker 1>I think most people would have heard of the Wagatha

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<v Speaker 1>Christie situation that went down. But Rebecca Vardy is basically

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<v Speaker 1>these wags And I don't like the term obviously because

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<v Speaker 1>people call me one, but I'm going to call other

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<v Speaker 1>people for the sake of it, because it's obviously a

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<v Speaker 1>play on words. It was this fight between some wags

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<v Speaker 1>and it's they're obviously like, I get the Christie.

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<v Speaker 3>Who you know? Okay? Can you guys get it? I

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<v Speaker 3>don't look. If you don't, you can google it. It's

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<v Speaker 3>fucking fascinating as what it is, but it's the same

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<v Speaker 3>sort of a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like one woman's life like being ruined by

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<v Speaker 1>all these leaks that were happening, and she couldn't figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what it was and ended up being one of

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<v Speaker 1>her close friends that was leaking it.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was this.

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<v Speaker 1>Big like investigation that they did internally on their Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out who the friend was. It went to court,

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<v Speaker 1>they got sued, like huge, huge drama in the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, here's another like thought, just don't use close

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<v Speaker 2>friends on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 3>I do not use that. I do not trust close friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I trust my close friends, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>trust the people I put in close friends on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>One close friend on mine, and it was an accident.

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<v Speaker 1>I accidentally starred them one day. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>how to do it. And it's just my sister Sherry,

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<v Speaker 1>So like I feel like if anything got leaked on.

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<v Speaker 3>My page, I know what it is. Well, look, coming

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<v Speaker 3>back to this for one quick second.

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<v Speaker 2>We spoke about it obviously on Thursday's episode, and in

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<v Speaker 2>this instance, like Michael Disorto, they did not release the

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<v Speaker 2>private dms. But we have seen it happen in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>We have seen restaurants do it to influencers. We have

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<v Speaker 2>seen it happened on many occasions. I do think that

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<v Speaker 2>there is still a conversation there around why it is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fun. I guess to humiliate influences when they

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<v Speaker 2>have asked for something or they have kind of slid

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<v Speaker 2>into a brand or company's DMS. But ultimately I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to say to the few people who did message and

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<v Speaker 2>sent us the update on that information. Thank you, and also,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope Carolina had a fucking great time of fashion

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<v Speaker 2>Week because it looks like she's still well. She did

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<v Speaker 2>make it looks like one of those dms actually worked,

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<v Speaker 2>if not to the microshow. Anyway, there is one more

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<v Speaker 2>thing I wanted to talk about before we get into

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<v Speaker 2>interviewing Mark. There was a research study that came out

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<v Speaker 2>recently in the States. Now, look, it is a United

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<v Speaker 2>States based research study. Maybe the answers are not applicable

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<v Speaker 2>to Australia, but I would go so far as to

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<v Speaker 2>say that maybe there's some correlation that could apply here.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably a pretty good sample, a pretty good sample, and

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty good example. So six thousand people were surveyed

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<v Speaker 2>on a website called bonusfinder dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds super fucking legit, bonus find out at Oxford dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>A dot com survey. Six thousand people is not a

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<v Speaker 2>small sample size. The survey was about bachelor and bachelorette

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<v Speaker 2>parties and cheating. And this is a pretty fucking alarming statistic.

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<v Speaker 2>More than seventy percent of Americans cheat at bachelor or

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<v Speaker 2>bachelorette parties. So the survey found that of six thousand people,

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<v Speaker 2>including the soon to be betrothed and their guests, more

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<v Speaker 2>than seventy percent admitted that they have cheated on their

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<v Speaker 2>partners at bachelor or bachelorette parties.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a huge statistic.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably important though, to keep in mind

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<v Speaker 2>when we talk about this, like, cheating is a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>massive range of a spectrum, right. Everybody has very different

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<v Speaker 2>ideas as to what constitutes cheating, and I think in

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<v Speaker 2>order for the survey to kind of be correct or

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<v Speaker 2>to have some sort of validity to it, this was

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<v Speaker 2>the range. So it was ranging from anything from flirting,

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<v Speaker 2>downloading a dating app during the parties to sexting or

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping with someone, whether it's an escort, someone at the party,

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<v Speaker 2>or somebody from the night.

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<v Speaker 3>But the thing is what the study clarifies is really important.

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<v Speaker 1>The cheating is a spectrum, right, So for some people

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<v Speaker 1>what constitution cheating does not constitutionting for somebody else. So

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<v Speaker 1>some people are okay with flirting, some people are okay

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<v Speaker 1>with messages, some people are okay with a lap dance.

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<v Speaker 3>So these statistics have to take that into account. And

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<v Speaker 3>they did break these.

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<v Speaker 1>Statistics down even further now Thirty three point one percent

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<v Speaker 1>said they had a lap dance, Twenty one point three

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<v Speaker 1>percent said kissing. Eleven point two percent admitted to sleeping

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<v Speaker 1>with someone eleven point two that's still pretty fucking hard,

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<v Speaker 1>getting freaky yeah. Nine percent said they got hot and

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<v Speaker 1>heavy in the sheets as a threesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Also a huge nine percent is huge? Why is everyone

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<v Speaker 3>having three sims?

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<v Speaker 1>Am?

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<v Speaker 3>I the only person in this room who hasn't had

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<v Speaker 3>a three ReSm? I haven't. But have you had a threesome?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god? We all have vanilla?

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<v Speaker 2>None of us? Oh my god, how Keisha you've got okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I know last week we were hiring because Keisha's now

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<v Speaker 2>got a boyfriend. We're also hiring if you've had a

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<v Speaker 2>threesome out there. We need someone in this group.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's a bit more fucking like risque.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me what you like the kink here, the fucking better.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got an opening.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is interesting because I think for me, I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't want my partner to be going and having a

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<v Speaker 1>lap dance, right. I would be like, that's not cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it. I'm not okay with it.

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<v Speaker 3>I just break up with them? Is it a break

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<v Speaker 3>up of all events, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't think it's cheating, right, Like, if it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>lap dance, if there's just something you can, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you depend one dance in the club like that these days,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't constitute it as cheating personally. If there's touching, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>But if he was on a bus and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying I like it, but I'm like, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to break up with him. But for somebody else that's

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<v Speaker 1>not acceptable, and that's okay. That's because everybody has these

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<v Speaker 1>different boundaries.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I have a question for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, would you constitute a lap dance cheating if it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't paid for, if it was just from a girl

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<v Speaker 2>who they'd met that night, Yeah, and she gave him

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<v Speaker 2>a lap dance, is that cheating?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm so cooked that if it wasn't a Bucks

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<v Speaker 1>or bachelorette and he'd just gone out and got a

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<v Speaker 1>lap dance from a chick, I'd be like, cool, you've

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<v Speaker 1>purposely gone out to try and cheat on me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not saying it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's an exchange of money and it meant nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to her, then it's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, if it's a job for her.

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<v Speaker 1>There are twenty guys that are all having fun seeing

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<v Speaker 1>someone off and the girls coming around. She's done a

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<v Speaker 1>dance in front of Just Say It's band for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of minutes and moves on. Then I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, more so than if you just went

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<v Speaker 1>down to the local and.

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<v Speaker 3>Got a lap dance from a chick that wouldn't slide.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why we see a bachelot and when

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<v Speaker 2>I say we, I don't mean us specifically or even

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<v Speaker 2>you listening to this episode. But I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>some people think that a bachelorette party or a bachelor

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<v Speaker 2>party is a get out of jail free card when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to fidelity with your partner, Like why do

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<v Speaker 2>the rules not apply that apply on every other big

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday night out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it's well, I mean, it's this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of come on, this could be your last time for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life. Like everyone knows you don't

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<v Speaker 1>cheat in a marriage, so it's now we'll never you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think that that's what happens. It's also fueled

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<v Speaker 1>by drugs and alcohol. I think there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>miscommunication in there, Like a lot of people don't really

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<v Speaker 1>want strippers, and this is bachelorettes en bachelor's. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people don't want them, but their friends just think

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<v Speaker 1>it's the fun idea and it's all organizer and once

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<v Speaker 1>you're there, you don't want to be the people that's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want this. I think there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things that go into it, a lot of different reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Peer pressure along with temptation, because like you wouldn't normally

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<v Speaker 2>go out on a Saturday night and have strippers or

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<v Speaker 2>have that sort of like hyper sexualized experience, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think is synonymous with a bachelor batchet party.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a wild story actually, I know somebody that,

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<v Speaker 1>like a couple that were getting married and on his

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<v Speaker 1>Bucks night he cheated.

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<v Speaker 3>He got an escort.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he didn't get it. This situation where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it gets a bit out of control, the friends organizer

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<v Speaker 1>turns into a lapdownce. Someone pays a bit of extra,

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<v Speaker 1>he's slept with an escort, he had sex, Yeah, whole

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<v Speaker 1>kiting capital. And then he wouldn't have said anything. He

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<v Speaker 1>would have taken that to the grave. He would have

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<v Speaker 1>just got married and taken to the grave. But a

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<v Speaker 1>few days goes past. She's doing all the washing anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>she finds a receipt and in his pocket was a

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<v Speaker 1>receipt with an unusual name at the top and the date,

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<v Speaker 1>and the date was the night of the Bucks party,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it had a very large one sum of money,

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<v Speaker 1>got this weird name on the date, and the weird

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<v Speaker 1>name on the receipt wasn't where they were going on

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<v Speaker 1>the bus because she knew what was happening, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as the watch she's like, what are you guys doing

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<v Speaker 1>this night?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? And she was like, something doesn't seem right.

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<v Speaker 1>So she ended up going full inspector gadget and she as,

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<v Speaker 1>you do, yeah, one hundred percent, I would inspect a

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<v Speaker 1>gadget the shit out of that receipt.

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<v Speaker 3>She googled it.

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<v Speaker 1>It turned out it was a brothel, so she said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what can I It's like when you go to the

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<v Speaker 1>canteen and you got two dollars at school, you like,

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<v Speaker 1>what can I get for this much money? And they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you can get two chicken chippies. She called up and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, what can I get for this much money?

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<v Speaker 3>But she called She googled the brothel.

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<v Speaker 2>Then she called it, and she was like, what services

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<v Speaker 2>can I receive?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like when you go to the canteen years old

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<v Speaker 1>for your lunch order? Yeah, what can I get for

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<v Speaker 1>like four hundred bucks? Five hundred bucks? And because she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to know, what fuck? What do you get for

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<v Speaker 1>that much money? And basically you get everything, you get

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<v Speaker 1>the whole service. So she figured out through all this

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<v Speaker 1>investigating that he had, yeah, slept with someone, so he.

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<v Speaker 2>There are something better than a female detective who thinks

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<v Speaker 2>that something's gone down, like a woman in a relationship

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<v Speaker 2>who was being scorned, unstoppable.

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<v Speaker 3>I in my past relationships have been the most thorough.

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<v Speaker 2>I could probably solve a fucking murder with how thorough

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<v Speaker 2>I have been across social media.

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<v Speaker 3>I have friends literally one for in particular. No, I'm hooked.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened? Did they get married? They got married? They

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<v Speaker 3>just got married.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I know they talked it out,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know what level what was said. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>it was positioned as drunk mistake. I'm sorry for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>but they ended up getting married.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Postponement of wedding no to.

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<v Speaker 1>Expending it too hard. It's really hard to postpone a wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you postponed it twice. It's not on me

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<v Speaker 1>to comment. Everyone's situation is different. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>i'd do in that situation, but for whatever reason, they

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<v Speaker 1>decided to continue and get married as per normal. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure things weren't normal in the relationship and they had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of work to do, but at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, she's obviously decided that she still wants

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<v Speaker 1>to spend life with this person. They'll probably go to

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<v Speaker 1>the therapy and do whatever else. But at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, full far out. The wedding's in two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>What am I gonna do?

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<v Speaker 2>My issue with this is, though, is that I think

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<v Speaker 2>if you're somebody who sees bachelor parties as a pass out,

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<v Speaker 2>then what stops you from doing that in other aspects

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<v Speaker 2>of your life? Like I don't think that people just

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<v Speaker 2>go one and done, do you know? I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think if you have that level of disregard towards your partner,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you're okay with pushing the limit, which obviously

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<v Speaker 2>most relationships would have those boundaries, then what's to say

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<v Speaker 2>that when you're in another situation where there's alcohol or

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<v Speaker 2>peer pressure or it's heightenedly sexualized that you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to make that same.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because I think it's the mindset. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>the mindset of, like, you get married once in your life,

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<v Speaker 1>and the idea of marriage is the fact that you're monogamous.

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<v Speaker 1>So then it's the idea of, well, I'm only getting

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<v Speaker 1>married to this one person's rest of my life. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also only having one last night, and this is my

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<v Speaker 1>last night. And I think people get sucked into this mindset.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I think it's fucked Like. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a get out of free pass. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>night at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it doesn't matter what night it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's cheating, doesn't matter when it is, doesn't matter if

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<v Speaker 1>you think it's your last time, meaning thing doesn't if

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<v Speaker 1>you paid for it, Like for me, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>All kind of I mean, yeah, and we all know

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<v Speaker 2>that there's different levels of it, like we said at

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of this, But the only thing I think

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<v Speaker 2>that is maybe incorrect about that is that it's the

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<v Speaker 2>assumption that it's only the groom or bride doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>The bride to be or the groom.

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<v Speaker 2>But the statistics of this and the reason why I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to talk about it, the reason why I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was so effing wild is because of this six

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<v Speaker 2>thousand people that were surveyed, the seventy percent, this was

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<v Speaker 2>not just the bride and groom.

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<v Speaker 3>This was people going to Bucks or bachelorette parties.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that the reason for that is because

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<v Speaker 2>there is and I know it's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why it's such a trigger for some people. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>want their partners going to bachelorette and Bucks parties because

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<v Speaker 2>they feel like it's an environment where their ability to

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<v Speaker 2>say no or their ability to resist temptation is extremely tested.

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<v Speaker 2>Which for those people who feel like that, or we

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<v Speaker 2>feel like they can't trust their partners in those situations,

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<v Speaker 2>that must be a really frightening feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>God, Ben probably doesn't have to worry. I'll have a

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<v Speaker 1>high team. Karaoke can be done by like nine pm. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we were in bed at eleven. I had two pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>people at my hand.

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<v Speaker 3>Your head was like we hit hard at about three pm.

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<v Speaker 2>We were peaking at two thirty in the afternoon and

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<v Speaker 2>we were at home having pizza and cups of tea

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<v Speaker 2>at nine thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>We were having dnms around the lounge with cups of

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<v Speaker 1>t at nine thirty pm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and not even dnms because we were off our

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<v Speaker 2>face on drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just D and m's.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we had tea old that was Tia said she

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<v Speaker 2>had a great time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to pretend it was the night of

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<v Speaker 1>my dreams. I had a great night. Like for me

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<v Speaker 1>to have hit it, to have the fun, to have

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<v Speaker 1>done the rounds. Do I had the dreams, had the shots,

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<v Speaker 1>had the dancing, had the karaoke, and be back in

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<v Speaker 1>bed with pizza at nine pm?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, she can't dress.

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's check to Mark, Mark, welcome to life on cut cool?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it cool?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know what you're in for?

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<v Speaker 5>You got no idea?

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<v Speaker 3>What's your favorite sex position? No, I'm joking, that's no.

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<v Speaker 5>Can I have more than one? Yeah? Well I really

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<v Speaker 5>like and I don't want really embarrass you.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, hit me.

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<v Speaker 5>It's nothing embarrassing on top, woman on top.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to make no sense to anyone who

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't yet listened to Mark's podcast, But look that that's

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<v Speaker 2>all coming Mark. We start every interview the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to know what your most embarrassing story is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called an accidentally unfiltered story, and you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>just such a nice way to humanize yourself.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I got one for you. So many years ago.

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<v Speaker 5>I got four sons and my young son at the

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<v Speaker 5>time was fifteen mile to some would have been early twenties.

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<v Speaker 5>And i'ed them all to come meet me in Greece

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<v Speaker 5>because they have different others, so I know them all

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<v Speaker 5>to come and meet me. And they all went on

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<v Speaker 5>one flight. I was already there, but I'd flown in

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<v Speaker 5>from another country, not Australia. And I always take sleeping

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<v Speaker 5>tablets as soon as I ride because I get jet

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<v Speaker 5>lag and I take something times help me sleep. So

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<v Speaker 5>soon as I arrived, were in Greece in this unbelievable hotel,

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<v Speaker 5>I said, meet me up in the bar, even though

0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.120
<v Speaker 5>he was only fifteen young was the fifteen It doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>matter in Greece before seven eighteen, come on up, and

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<v Speaker 5>I started drinking whiskey like usual things, which I like

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<v Speaker 5>to do. So we had a few dreams, had dinner.

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<v Speaker 5>I looked at the bath and all sort stuff and

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<v Speaker 5>I said, guys, I'm going to go to bed. You

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<v Speaker 5>guys are going to do what you want. I went

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<v Speaker 5>to my room and I took my sleeping tablets I

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<v Speaker 5>normally do. I went to sleep, and then in the

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<v Speaker 5>middle of the night, I felt the need to get

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<v Speaker 5>up and take a peek. So I went up and

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<v Speaker 5>opened the door to the bathroom, and then the door

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<v Speaker 5>closed behind me, and I realized I was in the

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<v Speaker 5>hall naked. Naked, No, I wasn't clean on the door,

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<v Speaker 5>but by this time I was in such shock. Well

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<v Speaker 5>what the hell like? I completely woke up, and because

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<v Speaker 5>I had a sleeping tablet, I had a couple of whiskeys,

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<v Speaker 5>the whole thing acted against me, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh my god. I was a total panic. I saw

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<v Speaker 5>a phone. There's like a wall phone on the thing,

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<v Speaker 5>and I tried to ring the reception that there's no

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<v Speaker 5>one answering, because it's like two o'clock in the morning,

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<v Speaker 5>and the Greek's unnestly they good at that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>I saw a dude walking down to his room, so

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<v Speaker 5>I put my hands he and I said, hey, mate,

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<v Speaker 5>can you let me in your room? Let you lend

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<v Speaker 5>me a towel. I see must have sounded like the

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<v Speaker 5>biggest bullshit story of hoping you could speak English and

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<v Speaker 5>he couldn't. Started to speaking to Greek. He couldn't speak Greek,

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 5>so I don't know what nationality was he German or

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<v Speaker 5>something like that. Anyway, fortunately let me in the room,

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<v Speaker 5>gave me a towel, went outside tuck and then I

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<v Speaker 5>asked him to ring the reception they come out and

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<v Speaker 5>save him. But it was one of the most embarrassing

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<v Speaker 5>moments in my life because that Only a couple of

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<v Speaker 5>years prior to that, Malcolm Fraser, when he was a

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:23.919
<v Speaker 5>Prime Minister of Australia had got caught in a hotel

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<v Speaker 5>room in one Chai and a part of Hong Kong

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<v Speaker 5>naked outside his room and the media just hammered him.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was doing the appearance of this sort of time,

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<v Speaker 5>so I was just so worried that it was going

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<v Speaker 5>to get out in the media. They probably we'll get

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<v Speaker 5>out the media now, but it's too late.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I told him it's about there's like power in

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.360
<v Speaker 2>telling the story yourself. It's when you get caught out

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 2>that then they take the power away from you. But

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 2>when you're like, oh yeah, this happened, so they can't

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 2>even make fun of you anymore. I told you front foot,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're very lucky to have an in Greece and

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<v Speaker 2>not in.

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<v Speaker 4>How'd you get what's the end of this story?

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<v Speaker 5>The reception came up and they just opened the door

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<v Speaker 5>for me to let me in the room. When I

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<v Speaker 5>was the first thing they said, we need to see ID.

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<v Speaker 3>What the fuck? Well, pull it out of my ass crack,

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<v Speaker 3>then let me have it for you, giggling.

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<v Speaker 4>You can see who I am online. That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad you got in safe. Look, most people know you.

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<v Speaker 1>You just mentioned from the Apprentice and celebrity Apprentice and

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a one of the most successful businessmen

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia. I would say, I don't know if you'd

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<v Speaker 1>referred yourself as that, but I reckon probably would. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I don't know if success means but yes, well

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<v Speaker 5>if you're doing in a traditional sense in terms of

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<v Speaker 5>numbers and stuff like that, yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like this is going to happen a lot

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<v Speaker 4>in this interview.

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<v Speaker 1>We're probably going to segue when something comes up, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's an interesting point. What is success to you? From

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<v Speaker 1>the outset? I would say, okay, worth a couple of

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>hundred million, give or take. I know that there's no

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>number for you because you could probably have another hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, that success, But what is it to you?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I always say to you from my point of

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 5>view as success, from my point of view as the

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 5>family you raise. So I'm only interested in my sons

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 5>and my grandson, and that's the most important thing to me,

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 5>because my measure for success is what I would think

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 5>my mum and dad would like to see in me.

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 5>And my mother's passed away because recently, not that a

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 5>couple years ago, but my dad's all life, So what

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 5>would they feel was success from their point of view,

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 5>And it's not about money. Mom day couldn't care less

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 5>about that. Just as long as I got a good

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 5>kids and good grandkids and I'm a good son, that's

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 5>success to me. So that's the most important thing to me.

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.959
<v Speaker 2>How I mean, speaking of your family, how were you raised?

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Because I think there's often this assumption that if you're

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 2>somebody who is hugely successful that maybe there was a

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>bit of a silver spoon, or you're a nepo baby.

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 2>I know that term gets thrown around quite a bit

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 2>these days. What was your childhood like and the way

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 2>that you got into business? How did that come about?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, my child was very stable, so that's an important

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 5>thing I had. Both parents were married, stayed married, loved

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 5>each other, and good parents to me, good husband and

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 5>wife to each other as far as I could see anyway.

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 5>My dad was a very hard worker. Neither one had

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 5>fancy jobs that my dad came to strat couldn't speak English.

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 5>My mum taught him to speak English. He worked in

0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 5>factory's whole life, worked hard, lots of jobs. So I

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 5>was brought up as a kid who saw hard working parents,

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 5>very stable, loving parents. My mother was very creative, very smart,

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 5>well read, never had many opportunities in life, had no

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 5>opportunities in life basically, but driven. And she got us

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 5>to play piano. Like I had to learn piano from

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 5>an early age. We did all the sports. Yeah, so

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:23.239
<v Speaker 5>I didn't grow up with the silver spoon. I grew

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 5>in the west suburb, Vicinia, and I went to a

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 5>little Catholic school out there. I didn't sort of walk

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 5>into a business, but I saw hard working people and

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 5>people who want to improve their lives. So I guess

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<v Speaker 5>that's probably the probably how I started. I just want

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 5>to improve my life. I didn't think I had a

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<v Speaker 5>shoot live. I didn't grow up with a chip on

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<v Speaker 5>my shoulders. I never felt like, oh, well, I'm going

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 5>to go and get this car, because I never saw

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 5>that car. No, that wasn't my deal. I just wanted

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 5>to work hard. I always wanted to impress my mom

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 5>and dad. I don't mean impress them so much. I

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 5>wanted to do the right thing by mom and dad.

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 5>Always wanted them to feel proud of me. That's sort

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 5>of what drove me to a large extent. I remember

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 5>when I sold the Wizard business. It's written out everywhere

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 5>how much we sold it for, and it was, you know,

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.120
<v Speaker 5>in those days, in two thousand and four, that's nearly

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 5>twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And for anyone who doesn't know how much that was sold,

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 2>it was half a billion dollars.

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I love that you say, like back then there was

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money back in no market.

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:14.959
<v Speaker 3>Still a lot of money now.

0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but people talk about, you know, unicorns and stuff

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.479
<v Speaker 5>like that. But you know, that amount of money then

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 5>is in terms of equipalment today is huge. And the

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 5>night had happened, I was in New York because I

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 5>had to go to New York to receive all the

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 5>payments and signed documents and stuff like that. I was

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 5>just there by myself, and I remember walking up to

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 5>a certain place that General Electric had sort of set

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 5>the settlement would be. And it was eleven o'clock at

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 5>night because they had to settle in Australia as well

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:44.959
<v Speaker 5>as New York, complicated, and I just walked up there

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 5>on my own that was building that when it was

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 5>sort of pretty much closing through a security system, walked

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 5>in there, signed some documents, got paperwork, et cetera. Brought

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 5>back to my hotel, and put myself at pizza in

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 5>my room in New York. I always wanted to try

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 5>in New York pizza and I hadn't really been before.

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 5>So that's how I celebrated at dating me wrong. It

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 5>was important, but it wasn't that important to me.

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to put myself in that position right now.

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 4>What was it?

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 1>And you don't have to say numbers, but what was

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 1>your wealth like before you made that exchange? Were you

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 1>just working hard, still making decent money, but nothing extraordinary,

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 1>and then this company's coming in and said I'll buy

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>you for half a billion. Was it an actual huge

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 1>jump or were you already worth a couple of hundred million?

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 5>No? No, no, no, I was my previous life. I

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 5>was working as a professional, worked at a chart accounting

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 5>firm which I was a senior partner of, and then

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 5>I sort of sold that. Then I worked in a

0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 5>law firm for a number of years. You know, I

0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 5>did well, I had reasonable money.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 4>You did well, but normal, well.

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 5>Just normal like every professional would do. I was like

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 5>forty eight when I sold it, so you know, I

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 5>had accumulated some assets, but nothing particularly great from my

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 5>point of view. You know, the extra money wasn't going

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 5>to buy me anything. But I still can only buy

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 5>a pizza for I got the concierge to order for me.

0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 5>It's still anti cost me twenty five US dollars or something.

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I got all this money, I can't go

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 5>and buy a better one. So it didn't make that

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 5>much difference to me to my life.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it make a lot of difference to me.

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that it's interesting because I think that,

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, my first question is coming into that sort

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 2>of success, and also that purchase is exchanged. Obviously, you

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 2>built the business up. But then you have this massive

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 2>sale coming into that much money, which is an incomprehensible

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 2>amount of wealth for some people. How does that change

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 2>you as a person.

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<v Speaker 5>It didn't change me. It just didn't change me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>The most important thing for me was it was on

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<v Speaker 5>page two of the Wall Street Journal. Was such a

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 5>big sale for someone General Electric? It was a big sar.

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 5>I've got a clip of the Wall Street Journal still somewhere.

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<v Speaker 5>But the thing that sits in my drawer still to

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 5>this very day is a letter from my mother, who

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 5>waited three or four weeks after the sale, and she

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:48.840
<v Speaker 5>wrote in a letter, I wanted to wait until the

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 5>noise was down, and she told me what she actually

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 5>thought of me as a kid, as her kid doing this.

0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 5>Wasn't the amount of money, but she talked about the

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 5>effort that I put into it. If she watched my effort,

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 5>that was probably the most important thing to me, to

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 5>be honest with you, I mean that, and today it's

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 5>a mere memory. It's a mere moment in my life.

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 5>And people say that's successful. On that day, yes, that

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.439
<v Speaker 5>was worth a lot of money. But maybe the next

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 5>day the shares that I got in General actric might

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 5>not have been worth as much. In fact, they were not,

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 5>but they might.

0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Have been mine a technicality were scowed over that.

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 5>Way, but there might have been worth less. So because

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 5>there's just one line you draw on one day in

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:29.320
<v Speaker 5>the sand, and anything had happened every day thereafter.

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I didn't ask the right question then in terms

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.439
<v Speaker 2>of how it changed you? But how did it change

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 2>the people around you? People who were in your sphere,

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 2>who are in your life, who understood this. Did it

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:41.239
<v Speaker 2>change their perception of who you are?

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 5>Maybe? I think probably audiences changed the perception about me,

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 5>And I think it probably I grew an audience as

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 5>a result of that. My friends didn't really change, and

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 5>I was still got the same.

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Like you're getting dinner tonight, though, And well, a.

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 5>Bit of that happened round The wedding press became much

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 5>more expensive, Christie's became much more expensive. I became a

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 5>godfather a lot more often.

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm making you mind, godfather, godfather.

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:10.799
<v Speaker 5>I mean it also resulted in me getting divorced too,

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 5>So you know the effort I put into that. Unwittingly,

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 5>I didn't realize what you're to do quip a relationship.

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 5>I didn't realize that I wasn't doing what I should

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.480
<v Speaker 5>have done to keep the relationship. So a lot of

0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 5>the success came as a result of what I sacrificed.

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:29.880
<v Speaker 5>And I didn't know of sacrificing it, but I actually

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 5>sacrificed a long term marriage. And you know, the mother

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 5>of some of my kids. I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that because you just put one hundred and ten

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 1>percent of yourself into the business at that time.

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I more than one hundred percent everything. I didn't

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:45.760
<v Speaker 5>realize that because when I was growing up, my dad

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 5>worked three jobs and that's what he did, and Mum

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 5>did what she did, and Mum also worked, but like

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 5>it was a partnership, you know what I mean, And

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:56.839
<v Speaker 5>no one ever looked like to me. No one ever

0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 5>questioned anything, and it looked right to me in my case.

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 5>And I never saw Dad take Mum out for dinner.

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 5>I never saw we never had holidays, We didn't go

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 5>away anywhere and all that sort of stuff. So probably

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 5>I just stupidly assumed that that's how everything works, and

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 5>I just did what I saw. I didn't think about it.

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 5>I just do what I saw, and I didn't realize

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 5>that you had to spend time with people to make

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 5>them feel appreciated, appreciated and that you cared about them

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 5>and stuff like that.

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess there's a sense of I don't want

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 1>to say relationships work because it's not, but it requires work,

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>especially of a long period of time. You do have

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>to come to a point where you prioritize it and

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>put effort in, grow together, make sure you're given each

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>other enough. And I think that's where a lot of

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 1>people probably do go wrong, is that they forget that.

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 1>They think, oh, we're good, We've got the piece of paper. Well,

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:44.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to put the ft anymore.

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 4>They're always going to be there. And it probably really

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:48.400
<v Speaker 4>showed you, I imagine.

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>What was important in life. You got the money, but

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you lost something that you loved.

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:55.360
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I sort of regret it. But I'll be honest

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 5>with you though, I discovered something about myself and that

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 5>was that. That's the blog on to bit. I love

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 5>work and that is the most important thing to me

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 5>in my life. That's the view I take not many

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.279
<v Speaker 5>people and honestly say that, and not because I want

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.439
<v Speaker 5>to work, but because I want to do the things

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 5>that my work delivers. You know, my work. I'm lacking

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 5>in my work in the homelown business, I help people

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 5>get homes, or I help people through stressful periods. My

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:22.439
<v Speaker 5>podcast business, I'm trying to tell audiences about what it's

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 5>like to own a business and share those sorts of

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 5>things with people. So I see that as really important,

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 5>not because I want to work, because I see that

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 5>as a great undertaking, a very important thing. That's what

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 5>I think I'm here for. I'm not necessarily here for

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 5>making someone have a good relationship with me. Therefore, I

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 5>have to find someone.

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 4>Who happy to play second fiddle almost well, not.

0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 5>Second fiddle, but they might have their own undertaking or

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.279
<v Speaker 5>they understand that this is how you have to be

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 5>with Mark. And I don't mean that in a sort

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 5>of ruthless way.

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 2>I think that this is such an interesting self discovery.

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 2>And I say this because I've witnessed it and my

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 2>friend's relationships some of them also witnessed it in I

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 2>think sometimes in my own relationship, we can often tell

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves that the reason why we're working so hard is

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<v Speaker 2>because we want to do it for our family.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to create a better life for our family.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing this because I'm contributing back to this in

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<v Speaker 2>a monetary way. You're growing and growing, but there does

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<v Speaker 2>come a point where no amount of extra money is

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<v Speaker 2>what's needed to grow that family unit. It's time because

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<v Speaker 2>that's the one thing you can't actually purchase. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that sometimes we can almost try and fool ourselves that

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing it for a different purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's such an honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Revelation that you had that you were like, yes, that

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<v Speaker 2>relationship needed more time of me, but the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to do was business, and that's the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that you continue to excel at.

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<v Speaker 5>And my family, including my kids, of course, that reason

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 5>is Secondary'll be honestly, because like my kids are all

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<v Speaker 5>grown up down, they're all living their lives. They're not

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<v Speaker 5>saying Dad, thanks very much for you know, how hard

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 5>you're work and the things you give us or gave us,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, And I don't expect it to that from

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 5>them either. I have to have a purpose in my life,

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<v Speaker 5>and I don't mind being selfish. I don't mean selfish

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<v Speaker 5>and extend to hurt people. I don't want to hurt anybody.

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<v Speaker 5>But selfish is looking after yourself and understanding what's important

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<v Speaker 5>for you. So there's nothing wrong with I think, in

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<v Speaker 5>my opinion, doing what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think that's also evident for you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost self explanatory the fact that you've made these

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<v Speaker 1>monumental sales, you have monumental wealth, you still go to

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<v Speaker 1>work every day and do multiple businesses. It speaks for

0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:26.880
<v Speaker 1>itself because you could go and buy an island and

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<v Speaker 1>a yacht and no one could ever see or hear

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<v Speaker 1>from you again.

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<v Speaker 4>But you're not.

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 1>You're out there doing the work and trying to educate

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 1>people and be educated yourself. That's an intrinsic drive that

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 1>people either have or they don't. One thing I'd like

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 1>to dig a bit deeper in that you just said.

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:43.879
<v Speaker 1>You said that you didn't really change much when you

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<v Speaker 1>came into this wealth. What I'd like to know is

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 1>was there a level of trust that changed within you

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe you haven't thought about a lot, But I

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<v Speaker 1>would imagine there are a lot of people that might

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a friend now, A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>that might have wanted to date you when you became

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<v Speaker 1>single for reasons that are obvious.

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<v Speaker 4>You have a lot of money. There are a lot

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 4>of people that want an easy life.

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<v Speaker 2>You're also a handsome man, Marked, Or you're very handsome.

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<v Speaker 4>No, you are, You're very handsome.

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<v Speaker 3>They're only dating for your money, that's it. But other

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<v Speaker 3>great qualities and attributes.

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<v Speaker 1>But how do you know you take that aside, if

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't handsome, it doesn't matter. There are people out

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<v Speaker 1>there that the attraction is the money. It's not physical,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, or.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the lifestyle that one can provide. We'll give it

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<v Speaker 3>to Mark.

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<v Speaker 1>He's handsome, he's intelligent, he's got the money. But was

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<v Speaker 1>they that started to pull back a bit and worry

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<v Speaker 1>that people were coming into your life, especially romantically, for

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong reason.

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<v Speaker 5>It's interesting to ask that question because what happened was

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<v Speaker 5>that my wife, her and who got divorced, she became unwell,

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<v Speaker 5>very unwell, and as a result of that, the boys,

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<v Speaker 5>the three sons to her, came and lived with me,

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 5>and I was very conscious of their mum being un well.

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 5>I want the boys seeing women come into my life,

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<v Speaker 5>so I actually I wouldn't say it was celibate, but

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<v Speaker 5>for a long period of time, but I was very

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<v Speaker 5>conscious of not having relationships during that period. And the

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<v Speaker 5>only woman they saw was the housekeeper, and I was

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<v Speaker 5>very conscious of not upsetting my boys because I was

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<v Speaker 5>upsetting enough for the mum being unwell, and I didn't

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 5>want to sort of make it worse for them. They

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:20.799
<v Speaker 5>had to just live with their dad. That was a

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 5>bit of a hassle, you know, because I'm you know,

0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 5>you can't be the mum, yeah, you know, and mums

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:29.000
<v Speaker 5>provide different outcomes and dads, I think, and I was

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 5>really conscious that, so I just didn't want upset the

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:33.959
<v Speaker 5>apperquite so, to answer your question, I avoided that. I didn't.

0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 5>I didn't have that issue. I mean, I'm sure there

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<v Speaker 5>would have been some out there who might have gone,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, might have come to me for that reason.

0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 5>But I avoided that, and I'm sort of to be frankly,

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 5>I really feel quite happy that I was able to

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<v Speaker 5>sort of manage that process and I got really involved

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:50.320
<v Speaker 5>with my kids. And I also had a business in India,

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:53.360
<v Speaker 5>so I used to travel to India once every four weeks.

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 5>And I'd say that for ten days.

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<v Speaker 4>So I got, that's where you do what you need

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<v Speaker 4>to do.

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<v Speaker 5>No, not in India.

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 3>I thought, that's what's mon.

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<v Speaker 5>No no no, I didn't know, no, no, no, no.

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 5>India is a bit tricky. You know, like in Idia

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<v Speaker 5>the pretty smart like they work out in a minute,

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:14.320
<v Speaker 5>like what you're up to totally.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it in terms of becoming such a prolific

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<v Speaker 2>entrepreneur for you? When was that shift between being like

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I want to run one business or turning a small

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<v Speaker 2>business into a complete conglomerate.

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:29.440
<v Speaker 3>How did you make that shift?

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<v Speaker 2>And is it so much for you about what the

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<v Speaker 2>business is or running businesses in general. I don't know

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 2>if that's very clear what I'm saying, but I think

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:40.239
<v Speaker 2>there's a big difference for some people. Some people have

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.720
<v Speaker 2>a passion for running our business because it's the mission

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 2>of that business, and whereas other people can have their

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 2>fingers in multiple pis and it's the actual logistics of

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.359
<v Speaker 2>running a business that kind of gets them off.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not so interested in the running of the business.

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:57.280
<v Speaker 5>I find that pretty hard and can be a bit tedious.

0:42:57.600 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 5>So I have, like you have lots of people in

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 5>my business who work for me, like lots, That in

0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 5>itself is a bit of It can be a bit

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<v Speaker 5>of a challenge too, but because I'm not perfect at

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:08.800
<v Speaker 5>handling people, but I do have a head of HR

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 5>and a whole HR department who do all that stuff.

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 5>For me, I'm more interested. I'm a curious person and

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 5>I'm interested in learning all the time, and I get

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:19.839
<v Speaker 5>curious about things. So I also look at something that

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 5>I think I can take on. So my podcast. I

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 5>was walking back from the gym one day and listening

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<v Speaker 5>to this American Life and I said to my business partner,

0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 5>I said, mate, I reckon, we could do this. And

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:33.879
<v Speaker 5>then he said, okay, let's have a crack. So that's

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:35.879
<v Speaker 5>like eight years ago. We went and hired a little

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:39.279
<v Speaker 5>studio down to King's Cross. We started this podcast called

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:41.279
<v Speaker 5>My Boris Show, which became the mentor but had no

0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 5>idea what we're doing. Which did it for fun, but

0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:45.840
<v Speaker 5>it was a curiosity thing that made me do it.

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 5>And then once I broke through it and I understood how

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:49.799
<v Speaker 5>it was done, I then like to turn it into

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<v Speaker 5>a bigger business. So that's my thing. I like to

0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:54.759
<v Speaker 5>go can I do this? And lots of things that

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:56.960
<v Speaker 5>have failed at but can I do this? It's a

0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:00.640
<v Speaker 5>new idea, it's a new thing. Yes, I can do it. Now,

0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 5>how do aterna into business? Make money out of it

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:05.440
<v Speaker 5>and employ people? And then I guess someone else to

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 5>run it? So I don't run the podcast. I don't

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:09.479
<v Speaker 5>run Yellow Big Road, Yellow bic Road runs your self.

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 5>Wizard ran itself. You know, we had hundreds of staff.

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 5>Wiz was another example. I saw John Simon's Aussie home

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<v Speaker 5>Loans along with McCrow bank taking on the banks and

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:20.680
<v Speaker 5>pulling their pants down, and I thought, I know about

0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.200
<v Speaker 5>that marketplace because I have a master's degree in that

0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:25.719
<v Speaker 5>particular aspect, and I thought I could do that. So

0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 5>I was curious as well. I could do it, and

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 5>I started off for the next thing. And I had

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:31.040
<v Speaker 5>this big business, but I didn't run it.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think, then, is the difference for

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who runs a small business who's working in their

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<v Speaker 2>business all the time, but knows that they want to

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<v Speaker 2>make that transition to scaling. How would you say, or

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<v Speaker 2>what is the first steps to being able to go

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<v Speaker 2>from that kind of day to day where you almost

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 2>feel like you're bogged in it and you can't grow

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 2>because you're out capacity, to then having the freedom of

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<v Speaker 2>being able to work on it.

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<v Speaker 5>The scaling is a really difficult thing, a really difficult concept.

0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 5>But scaling for me means you've got to be in

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<v Speaker 5>a market. This is what I call it the rising

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<v Speaker 5>tied So I was a rising title liquidity in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>What I mean by that is that it wasn't that

0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:07.520
<v Speaker 5>people want to borrow money, not that liquidity in the

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 5>wizard business or the l big row business for that matter,

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:13.239
<v Speaker 5>but liquidity in terms of money available to lend to them. So,

0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 5>because there's no point people wanting money from me if

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:18.319
<v Speaker 5>I can't actually get access to it. So I understood

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 5>the rising tidle liquidity in the world, and I knew

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:22.560
<v Speaker 5>where to get it, and I knew how to get it.

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<v Speaker 5>My game was, could I build a financial technology model.

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<v Speaker 5>Financial engineer is something that allowed me to borrow money

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<v Speaker 5>from the global markets at the same price that banks do,

0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 5>so that I can competitively lend to this train market.

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 5>That was my game. And if you're trying to work

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 5>out how am I going to get my business scard up,

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.480
<v Speaker 5>You've got to know that you can get supply the item.

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:44.439
<v Speaker 5>You've got to be able to supply the item at

0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 5>scale to the market. People think scaling up is about

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.520
<v Speaker 5>getting more people to buy my item. Scaling up is

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.840
<v Speaker 5>about getting more content to supply to the marketplace.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse my ignorance, where did the money come from when

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:58.840
<v Speaker 1>you were privately loaning to all of these hundreds of

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 1>thousands of people. Where was it was it just outside

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:03.520
<v Speaker 1>investors that you promised an interest.

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<v Speaker 5>To or no, no, no, no, well sorta. So there's

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 5>a thing called capital markets around the world and money

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:12.880
<v Speaker 5>money markets. Money looks to attach yourself to an asset

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 5>in the world. It could be mining, it could be

0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 5>home loans, it could be real estate. It's always looking

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.840
<v Speaker 5>to find where it's going to get its highest return

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 5>with the least amount of risk. And Australian mortgages are

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:29.239
<v Speaker 5>one of the best returning asset classes in the world

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 5>with one of the lowest risks because Australians always pay

0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:34.520
<v Speaker 5>the mortgage back. We have the lowest default and arrears

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:36.759
<v Speaker 5>rate in the world and have done for thirty years.

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:39.680
<v Speaker 5>And there was a lot of money floating around the world.

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<v Speaker 5>So I would go every six weeks, I go with

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.600
<v Speaker 5>my team to the US and then to Europe, and

0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:50.000
<v Speaker 5>we'd raise a billion US dollars and different currencies, but

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.200
<v Speaker 5>let's say billion US dollars. And I would go to

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<v Speaker 5>see Bill Gates's company, Bill Gates' foundation, or I go

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.759
<v Speaker 5>to see Merrill Lynch. And I had this group of

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 5>people I would see be ten cities in the US,

0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 5>ten countries in Europe, and I'd raise a billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>They would say to me, this is a return we

0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:07.920
<v Speaker 5>want and I'd say, well, this is the return I'm

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 5>going to give you. And by the way, you're going

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:11.680
<v Speaker 5>to have a mortgage sitting underneath, which is a strain morgin.

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 5>And I convince them how our asset class was performing.

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:18.120
<v Speaker 5>And over time I built relationshships with them, and they

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 5>were so flush for money they had to get rid

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.640
<v Speaker 5>of it because they couldn't leave it to sitting in

0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.360
<v Speaker 5>an account doing nothing. So I would give them a place

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 5>for them, an asset class for them to get rid

0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:28.360
<v Speaker 5>of it on. And I did this for years and

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<v Speaker 5>years and years. And that's the part of the business

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:32.440
<v Speaker 5>I ran. By the way, everyone thinks I was the

0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:34.880
<v Speaker 5>marketing go and doing TV. So now I ran the

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:37.320
<v Speaker 5>part of the business which was a supply money.

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:39.280
<v Speaker 4>I ran the important partner.

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<v Speaker 5>That's that's the imazing important part in every business. In

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:44.560
<v Speaker 5>your podcast business, it's about your content. How do you

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:47.439
<v Speaker 5>supply your audience with a new, interesting content and lots

0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:49.640
<v Speaker 5>of it? And probably more often because they have a time,

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 5>they want two podcasts with what they want a third

0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:55.600
<v Speaker 5>one a different Yeah, he's got like five six seven

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<v Speaker 5>a week, Joe Rogan like, and it's how can I

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<v Speaker 5>supply more of these? Going to replicate myself in lots

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 5>of ways, and that's sort of how I model my businesses.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever struggle with imposter syndrome or you know

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<v Speaker 2>that you have the confidence now from the years of successes,

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<v Speaker 2>or is there ever just a time where you're like, well,

0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how I put another one off.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I did. In the early days of a Wizard,

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<v Speaker 5>I certainly did you know. I remember someone said to me,

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<v Speaker 5>let's do an advertising campaign. Kerry Packer said he was

0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:26.359
<v Speaker 5>my partner, Kerry in Wizard business, and he said, let's

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 5>do an advertising campaign. I've never done ad before, and

0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:30.839
<v Speaker 5>he said, I want you in it, and he said,

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:31.880
<v Speaker 5>I want you to look at the campra. He told

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<v Speaker 5>me how to do it and everything, and I had

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<v Speaker 5>to go do an ad and I didn't know what

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 5>I was doing, and I've definitely felt like I was imposter,

0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 5>Like I was forty years of age. So I just

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<v Speaker 5>turned up in a white T shirt and a pair

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<v Speaker 5>of jeans and a pair of boots and I had

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<v Speaker 5>a like a V neck jumper onderneath, and they says

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<v Speaker 5>that we're going to wear for the ad like I'm

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<v Speaker 5>doing banking ads. Like bankers in those days, we're walking

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<v Speaker 5>around tires and suits. And I turned up and said,

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<v Speaker 5>well that's I thought this would be okay, and they said, okay,

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 5>well whatever, we'll run with. It actually worked that well.

0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Believe that's your point of difference.

0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:00.759
<v Speaker 4>You wouldn't have known at the time.

0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:01.880
<v Speaker 5>I didn't know. I hadn't have a clue.

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<v Speaker 1>It's literally what people say, Oh, he's not like the rest.

0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:07.760
<v Speaker 1>And also you probably look more trusting when someone comes.

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<v Speaker 4>In in a suit and stuff like that.

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:11.880
<v Speaker 5>Something's not right and I was different too.

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:14.080
<v Speaker 1>How many employees do you think you have worldwide?

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<v Speaker 5>At a guess now, employees and contracts are a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of thousand.

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 1>And what do you think your employees would say about you?

0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:24.600
<v Speaker 1>If I asked them if I said, what is Mark

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<v Speaker 1>like as a boss?

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:26.399
<v Speaker 4>What do you think that'd say?

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<v Speaker 5>Hopefully? I think not everyone agrees with my views on

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<v Speaker 5>the way the business should be run. I think some

0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:36.440
<v Speaker 5>of them get feel as though I don't spend enough

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 5>time with them, and it's not possible for me to

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.080
<v Speaker 5>spend enough time with them, Like this week, I was

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 5>in Melbourne. Tonight, I'll be in Brisbane the next night,

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 5>I'll be in Hobart. Next week I will go to

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 5>New Zealand because we've got a conference in New Zealand.

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:49.200
<v Speaker 5>And I get to a point and then I'm going

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<v Speaker 5>to do all my podcasts somewhere in between, and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>going to live a normal life, to try to live

0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:56.399
<v Speaker 5>a normal life in between. So I don't probably don't

0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:59.040
<v Speaker 5>get to see everyone enough, and probably that would be

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.719
<v Speaker 5>the thing that they would like about working with me.

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:04.680
<v Speaker 5>We don't get to see Mark enough. But I do

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<v Speaker 5>as much as I can, and I'm always back feeling.

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<v Speaker 5>So then sometimes my kids known some enough, so then

0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:13.520
<v Speaker 5>I know my kids ring my EA to make an appointment,

0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:16.360
<v Speaker 5>point to me have breakfast or lunch, but they just

0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.400
<v Speaker 5>know it's more efficient to do that. Yeah, you know

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<v Speaker 5>my kids when I send my kids, they're older, but

0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:23.239
<v Speaker 5>you know, they're all in the thirties plus. But at

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<v Speaker 5>least I've set up a structure, and I know Laura

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<v Speaker 5>has a similar structure. That's why I made a comment

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<v Speaker 5>to you about the other day. But you know, like

0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:32.279
<v Speaker 5>I see all the parts that I have to satisfy,

0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:34.799
<v Speaker 5>and I try to structure it up as best I can.

0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:36.120
<v Speaker 3>But how do you find balance?

0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:38.520
<v Speaker 2>When you say you try and find structure, I guess

0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:41.480
<v Speaker 2>when everything is needing a bit of you, and everything

0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:44.279
<v Speaker 2>is needing more of you, how do you prioritize the

0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:45.320
<v Speaker 2>parts that are most.

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<v Speaker 3>Important to you?

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<v Speaker 5>And that sometimes creates a problem.

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:49.400
<v Speaker 4>For me, creates a divorce.

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:52.920
<v Speaker 5>I can create a divorce or medical problems. You know,

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:56.120
<v Speaker 5>you can get run down, which happens sometimes and every

0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:57.680
<v Speaker 5>now and then I have to give myself an uppercut,

0:50:57.680 --> 0:50:59.360
<v Speaker 5>and so I saying, I, Mark, what the hell do

0:50:59.440 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 5>you think you're doing? Why accepting that invitation? Why accepting that?

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.800
<v Speaker 5>Sometimes I go yes to everything, and then I realized,

0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.120
<v Speaker 5>what the hell have I done to myself? And particularly

0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:09.399
<v Speaker 5>if you get the flu or something in the middle

0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:12.880
<v Speaker 5>of it all, it's pretty tough. So I'm backfilling all

0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 5>the time and then over now and then empty the backpack.

0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 5>That's too much, Yeah, and I just overreact and take

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:20.959
<v Speaker 5>it all out. Someone doing anything for a couple of days,

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:25.640
<v Speaker 5>that's it. I'm big on weekends being no phone, no emails,

0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:30.080
<v Speaker 5>no messages, but emails are a little bit tried to read

0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:34.480
<v Speaker 5>less business stuff and try to relax. I really think

0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:37.800
<v Speaker 5>you need. I need two days out of every seven

0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:42.320
<v Speaker 5>just in my garden, visiting my dad, seeing my grandson,

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:47.080
<v Speaker 5>that sort of stuff, and banal tried commonplace, boring sort

0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.960
<v Speaker 5>of stuff, you know, like watching Netflix or something like that. Yeah,

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:50.759
<v Speaker 5>that type of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the transition like for you when you started

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<v Speaker 2>to progress into the media sphere not just being someone

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:02.359
<v Speaker 2>who is running successful businesses from behind the wall, that

0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:04.840
<v Speaker 2>you then became the face of what running a successful

0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:05.520
<v Speaker 2>business was like?

0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:08.120
<v Speaker 3>How did you make that transition? And was there a

0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:09.240
<v Speaker 3>period where I don't.

0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Know, you struggled with it or that you were kind

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 2>of out of your depth at a completely new medium.

0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:16.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's a good question, Like.

0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:17.960
<v Speaker 4>That first commercial in the white T shirt.

0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Apart from that, I mean, but it's such a big thing.

0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:22.640
<v Speaker 2>There's one thing to run businesses to then be the

0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:25.719
<v Speaker 2>face of what that means, and I think like in

0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:28.400
<v Speaker 2>your role you kind of became the godfather of that.

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<v Speaker 5>Look, this is Fennick. I was not that an aware person.

0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:35.040
<v Speaker 5>I didn't really know what the fuck I was doing.

0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 3>Naivety. It goes a long way.

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<v Speaker 5>Something and I'm one of those people who will try anything,

0:52:41.000 --> 0:52:43.200
<v Speaker 5>so I'll give it a crack. I'll say yes to anything.

0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:46.200
<v Speaker 5>My mum always used to say. She'd say to me,

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:49.560
<v Speaker 5>I booked you in for in a Steadford like a competition,

0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.920
<v Speaker 5>piano competition. Like I just think I don't want to

0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:54.040
<v Speaker 5>do that, Like, but okay, I'll do it, mum. And

0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:57.080
<v Speaker 5>my mother always said, have a go at anything, whatever

0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:59.279
<v Speaker 5>it is, go and try for this footy game, and

0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:02.480
<v Speaker 5>you might get into the webside. So I just did

0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 5>all those things because other people suggested it, and it

0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:07.319
<v Speaker 5>wasn't a conscious thing. I thought, well, shit, maybe I

0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:09.760
<v Speaker 5>won't get accepted by the media, maybe I will, maybe

0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.080
<v Speaker 5>this could be a blowout. Whatever. I just went and

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:14.279
<v Speaker 5>did it, and I thought, whatever the consequences are, i'll

0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:16.359
<v Speaker 5>deal with it down the track. And I never really

0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:18.319
<v Speaker 5>knew at the consequences because, as you said, I was

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:19.320
<v Speaker 5>noive to all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think it comes down to a personality type though,

0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:24.520
<v Speaker 2>as well, because for some people, some people are real

0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 2>forward planners. Some people need to know that they have

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:29.160
<v Speaker 2>all their ducks in a row before they start something.

0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:32.399
<v Speaker 2>And it's almost that like procrastination wheel that stops people

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:35.640
<v Speaker 2>from getting a head start because they need it to

0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:38.319
<v Speaker 2>be perfect or need to know what the outcome will

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:40.640
<v Speaker 2>be before they can actually take the first step. And

0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:43.719
<v Speaker 2>then there's other people that have the confidence to kind

0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:47.200
<v Speaker 2>of charge forth into the unknown and just figure it

0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 2>out along the way. And that's definitely a personality trait

0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.239
<v Speaker 2>which you seem to take into not just business, but

0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:54.680
<v Speaker 2>into how you've approached media.

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:58.640
<v Speaker 5>Well, that's exactly my personality traits. It's not a strategy.

0:53:58.680 --> 0:54:01.239
<v Speaker 5>It's probably more a strategy these days now I'm more

0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:04.359
<v Speaker 5>aware of myself, but it was definitely a personality trait.

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 5>And it's a bit like modeling, you know when you

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:08.799
<v Speaker 5>said a lot of people try to perfect the model

0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:09.960
<v Speaker 5>before they launched the model.

0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>One thing I know about modeling, particularly like anytime modeling

0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:17.120
<v Speaker 5>catwalk No, no, not that one.

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 2>You should perfect before you get on the cats embarrassing

0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:22.279
<v Speaker 2>business modeling is that you will never know all the

0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:24.279
<v Speaker 2>inputs that you need to put into the model to

0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:25.160
<v Speaker 2>make the model accurate.

0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:28.400
<v Speaker 5>So therefore you might as well just start off and

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:30.680
<v Speaker 5>start refine the model as you go along. So that's

0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:33.480
<v Speaker 5>how machine learning works, how you get AI. The machine

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.040
<v Speaker 5>refines the model as it goes, because it learns about

0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:38.880
<v Speaker 5>the model, and that's sort of how I am. I

0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:41.120
<v Speaker 5>take the view that I'll learn a long way. I'll

0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:42.600
<v Speaker 5>pick up how I got to fix this thing up,

0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:45.400
<v Speaker 5>and I'll change my direction or my strategy, whichever or

0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:48.040
<v Speaker 5>tactically whichever way I got to go, because I think

0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:49.680
<v Speaker 5>that's the best way, because I'd rather just start it

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:51.640
<v Speaker 5>because I'm starting because I'm curious in the first place.

0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:53.160
<v Speaker 5>I want to see if I can do it. I mean,

0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:54.520
<v Speaker 5>I wanted to know what I can learn from I'm

0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:56.879
<v Speaker 5>interested in learning. I want to learn about as many

0:54:56.880 --> 0:54:58.479
<v Speaker 5>things as possible. I want to meet as many people

0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:00.400
<v Speaker 5>as possible to see what I can learn from them.

0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:02.719
<v Speaker 5>And I don't want to sound like that's a terrible thing,

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.120
<v Speaker 5>but it sounds terrible, But I actually like to get

0:55:05.200 --> 0:55:07.520
<v Speaker 5>something from you. And it could be a question you

0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:10.760
<v Speaker 5>asked me, challenging me about something I've never thought about before.

0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:12.560
<v Speaker 5>I'll give you an answer and I think, wow, I

0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:14.560
<v Speaker 5>didn't realize that before. Or it could be me doing

0:55:14.560 --> 0:55:16.640
<v Speaker 5>my podcast, or I'm actually asking you questions. I want

0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:19.080
<v Speaker 5>to get something out of you. It's very selfish again,

0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:22.160
<v Speaker 5>but it works, and if you do it in a

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:24.640
<v Speaker 5>nice way. You don't offend anybody, You try not to

0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:27.600
<v Speaker 5>be hurtful. You'd be as sensitive as I possibly can.

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:29.360
<v Speaker 5>I'm not always that sensitive, but be a sensitive as

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.320
<v Speaker 5>possibly can. That works. I mean that's one of the

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:34.000
<v Speaker 5>reason why I stopped doing the apprentice show with a

0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:38.160
<v Speaker 5>celebrit apprentice, because I felt as though it was a

0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:42.280
<v Speaker 5>system that was a bit offensive. You know, reality TV

0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:45.160
<v Speaker 5>can be a bit hurtful.

0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:47.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean that's an understatement.

0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:49.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in what ways did you find the Apprentice was having?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's always about Look, reality TV doesn't workun lesser

0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:56.840
<v Speaker 5>as emotions. Yeah, and you've got to get villains and heroes.

0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Jeopardy as well, you've got to be some kind of

0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:00.960
<v Speaker 2>cliffhanger that maybe not even is there and.

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 5>They wanted to come back for the next episode. Drama

0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:04.600
<v Speaker 5>leave it on a certain way.

0:56:04.640 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 1>I also think the audience wants to see people in

0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:09.680
<v Speaker 1>your position being hard on people and cutting people off,

0:56:09.880 --> 0:56:12.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, mid sentence, telling them their piece of shit.

0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:15.000
<v Speaker 1>It's why Gordon Ramsey is so successful in terms of

0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:15.920
<v Speaker 1>his reality shows.

0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:18.480
<v Speaker 4>It's this is what people are attracted to for something.

0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:21.000
<v Speaker 5>Do you think that was the case.

0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:24.160
<v Speaker 1>No, I still actually do, and we've had these discussions

0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:26.480
<v Speaker 1>even if you look at things like The Bachelor. But

0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:28.799
<v Speaker 1>I hate seeing it happen when a storyline's developing for

0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:30.640
<v Speaker 1>somebody and you know they're pushing it. You know, people

0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:33.239
<v Speaker 1>are getting bullied and trolled and people being nasty. But

0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:36.720
<v Speaker 1>they've tried it where it was all lovey dovey and nothing,

0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't work. It doesn't work because humans want

0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:42.960
<v Speaker 1>to feel better about themselves by also watching other people

0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:44.880
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily succeed.

0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I totally agree we got BRIT's saying because I think

0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:50.440
<v Speaker 2>for so long people say like, oh enough with the drama,

0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:53.400
<v Speaker 2>like it's too much. You know, I can't watch it anymore.

0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:57.239
<v Speaker 2>But yet Maths is the most watched reality TV show

0:56:57.239 --> 0:57:00.839
<v Speaker 2>in Australia, and the entire show is based around putting

0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:03.040
<v Speaker 2>people together. They'll put a couple of nice couples that

0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:05.719
<v Speaker 2>work out, but the majority of people who have been

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 2>partnered because they are literal polar opposites.

0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:10.319
<v Speaker 5>If you're punching yourself there for watching it, it'll be

0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:11.680
<v Speaker 5>the most explosive.

0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:13.319
<v Speaker 3>I ever watched an episode. I mean I do.

0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:15.120
<v Speaker 2>I watch it and I'm a sucker for it, But

0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I think outreach culture. We're attracted to it throughout social

0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:20.520
<v Speaker 2>media as well. You know, social media algorithms within Instagram

0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:24.320
<v Speaker 2>are created in a way where it knows that if

0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:26.840
<v Speaker 2>you're angry about content, you will stay on that content

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<v Speaker 2>for longer. You will view content that makes you angry

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<v Speaker 2>for a longer period of time than what you will

0:57:31.560 --> 0:57:34.280
<v Speaker 2>view content that makes you feel good. And so it

0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:37.320
<v Speaker 2>works that algorithm if you are outraged about something, if

0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:39.520
<v Speaker 2>you're angry about something, that content will get pushed out

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<v Speaker 2>to a bigger audience.

0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:42.320
<v Speaker 3>And if you say, had a really lovely day today,

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<v Speaker 3>drink a lovely coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>But was that fed to you Mark on the show?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that fed to you you know, like going and

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<v Speaker 1>be brutal today?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, totally. Well, well that's how they first approached me.

0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:53.720
<v Speaker 5>They just said, this is a Trump show. Here's a

0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:56.360
<v Speaker 5>video DVD. Watch that. That's how the show goes. And

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<v Speaker 5>I said, well, I don't want to say you are

0:57:57.960 --> 0:57:59.360
<v Speaker 5>five because it's a non Australian thing, and they said,

0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:00.960
<v Speaker 5>well that's part of the FOS. You have to say it,

0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:03.160
<v Speaker 5>and you have to point your finger, and.

0:58:03.600 --> 0:58:05.600
<v Speaker 3>So you had to be like, you're fired serious.

0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:06.760
<v Speaker 4>You weren't allowed that so.

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<v Speaker 5>That sometimes they refilmed it, refilmed it, and it could

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<v Speaker 5>do another take. You point the finger harder, say and like,

0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:15.160
<v Speaker 5>and it's harder to say the second time, third time

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<v Speaker 5>especially I've already said it once.

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<v Speaker 4>The poor persons.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh no, I know exactly. But TV, as you guys know,

0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:23.800
<v Speaker 5>TV is a tough thing when you see behind the

0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:26.040
<v Speaker 5>curtain what actually goes on. But I have to say

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:27.800
<v Speaker 5>it was a great experience for me as well. I

0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:29.600
<v Speaker 5>met some good friends. I've still got some good mates

0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:31.680
<v Speaker 5>out of the various contestants. I met a lot of

0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:33.880
<v Speaker 5>people in the production crew, still good friends of mine.

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<v Speaker 5>I enjoyed a hell of a lot. Not towards the

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<v Speaker 5>end though, it wasn't so good.

0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:38.800
<v Speaker 4>Was it a direct.

0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Invitation from Trump for you to be the host of

0:58:41.920 --> 0:58:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the Australian version?

0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 5>It was a guy called Mark Fennessy who used to

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<v Speaker 5>own Free Mental Media and they had the global production

0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:50.640
<v Speaker 5>rights of the show. The shows in twenty five countries.

0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:52.960
<v Speaker 5>I did get to meet Trump, and in fact he

0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:56.200
<v Speaker 5>contacted me once I was chosen. He contacted me through

0:58:56.240 --> 0:58:58.640
<v Speaker 5>the people who do the management of around the world.

0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:01.040
<v Speaker 5>He invited me to New York. I turned him down,

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<v Speaker 5>and he got quite upset about it. He said, you know,

0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:05.800
<v Speaker 5>I'll send you a free ticket business class ticket to

0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:07.480
<v Speaker 5>come to New York and he stayed Trump Town and

0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:09.400
<v Speaker 5>I said I don't want to come, and he said,

0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:11.400
<v Speaker 5>were you seriously, I'm so and so on off for

0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:13.160
<v Speaker 5>your free trip. I said, Mad, I'm by my first

0:59:13.200 --> 0:59:15.280
<v Speaker 5>class ticket myself if I feel like it. I don't really.

0:59:15.320 --> 0:59:16.640
<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't stay your hotel anyway.

0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:17.720
<v Speaker 4>I don't need your free business.

0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:20.360
<v Speaker 5>So he wasn't very happy with that. But I had

0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 5>lots of interview I interviewed him here in Australia when

0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:24.320
<v Speaker 5>he came to Australia once a few years back. No,

0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:26.520
<v Speaker 5>it was Mark Fantasy brought it to me. I was

0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:29.320
<v Speaker 5>sort of doing nothing in two thousand and nine and

0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:32.840
<v Speaker 5>he said, mate, someone suggested you for the show. Do

0:59:32.880 --> 0:59:35.600
<v Speaker 5>you want to do a trial? I said, I don't

0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:37.120
<v Speaker 5>know the show. I had never seen it. He said,

0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:38.920
<v Speaker 5>he's a DVD watch it. We're going to come in

0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:40.320
<v Speaker 5>and we'll come in the week and we're doing some

0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:43.160
<v Speaker 5>TV people and cameras and will bring some actors.

0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:45.960
<v Speaker 4>Practice your pointing, you do that and just.

0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:48.240
<v Speaker 5>Go through the process. And I went through it. And

0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:49.480
<v Speaker 5>I said to one of the guys at the end

0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:51.120
<v Speaker 5>who he was an actor, and he answered me this

0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:52.840
<v Speaker 5>question that I asked him, and it was so fucking

0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:55.400
<v Speaker 5>stupid his answer, And as I said, that was the

0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:57.040
<v Speaker 5>one thing that clinched the deal.

0:59:57.000 --> 0:59:59.240
<v Speaker 3>Because you were polarizing. You came across as.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's going to say something that's unfiltered, right, and

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<v Speaker 5>that's where they want unfiltered comments.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you when you watch it back, did you dislike

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<v Speaker 2>the way that you were coming across? Did you dislike

1:00:11.040 --> 1:00:12.600
<v Speaker 2>the way that you were framed if you were being

1:00:12.640 --> 1:00:16.040
<v Speaker 2>made to kind of be this far more just like

1:00:16.120 --> 1:00:19.160
<v Speaker 2>opinionated and angry and seem like your your thoughts on

1:00:19.200 --> 1:00:21.280
<v Speaker 2>things were so much further in the direction than what

1:00:21.320 --> 1:00:24.440
<v Speaker 2>you necessarily felt to say normally. Did you watch that

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<v Speaker 2>and go, that's not authentic to who I am as

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<v Speaker 2>a person.

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<v Speaker 5>To be honest with this, some of the people did

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<v Speaker 5>annoy me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, ah, I didn't have to act that one, so.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was saying what I actually thought. Look, you

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<v Speaker 5>know what it's like, they got you on the set

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<v Speaker 5>for twelve hours. Yeah, in the studio, like they posted

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<v Speaker 5>my boardrooms, Oh my god, I get there are six

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<v Speaker 5>in the morning. It was seven days a week start

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<v Speaker 5>at six am. I had a pre production briefing what

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<v Speaker 5>happened the day before, and I'd be sitting there at

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<v Speaker 5>six am and by eight o'clock they'd have all the

1:00:51.400 --> 1:00:54.680
<v Speaker 5>celebrities at four thirty five am in the morning getting

1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 5>made up, and that all come because we used to

1:00:57.120 --> 1:00:59.439
<v Speaker 5>have twelve people in the show and they'd all turn

1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:01.320
<v Speaker 5>up and then be there like four or five o'clock

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<v Speaker 5>in the afternoon. Some would say something so stupid. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>I had to tell able running with Pauline Hanson like

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<v Speaker 5>a shocking one, like and she wanted to walk off

1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:12.960
<v Speaker 5>the show and she can't because they saw an agreement

1:01:12.960 --> 1:01:14.960
<v Speaker 5>you can't walk off the show we had, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like I won't say what she said, but it was

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<v Speaker 5>really dreadful what she said. And another one one of

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<v Speaker 5>my sons was actually my advisor in one of the shows.

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<v Speaker 5>In two of the series, there was nearly a punch

1:01:23.880 --> 1:01:28.520
<v Speaker 5>up between him and Jason Akamanis, the AFL guy wasn't film. Fortunately.

1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:31.720
<v Speaker 5>I remember Johnny Stefferson, the Olympic runner for him to

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<v Speaker 5>me to runner and Jeff Ennick were on one show

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<v Speaker 5>and they nearly had a punch up which I had

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<v Speaker 5>to step in between the two of them out the

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<v Speaker 5>back in a storeroom. And so at the end of

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<v Speaker 5>the day you get pretty agitate yourself. So a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of stuff that came out was me just being honest.

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<v Speaker 5>But I did have a bugger mere. So there was

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<v Speaker 5>always they always talking to me from the production unit

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<v Speaker 5>outside saying she's not watching, she's lost your gaze or

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<v Speaker 5>some of that, or he's not paying attention, or he

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<v Speaker 5>did this, that and the other. So they were always

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<v Speaker 5>prompting me to rip in and every now and then

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<v Speaker 5>if I felt there was a flat spot, I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Who was the I mean, we just said some of

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<v Speaker 2>the celebrities who might have been the hardest for you

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with, But who, in your experience was the

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<v Speaker 2>best celebrity that you had to work with?

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<v Speaker 5>Julia Julia Morris. Yes, not Julie Giller. Julie Giller didn't

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<v Speaker 5>come on. I would have loved to have Julia Morris.

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<v Speaker 5>She's so funny, so cool, so quick and gets it

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<v Speaker 5>like she was just brilliant in everything she did. So

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<v Speaker 5>she was definitely one of my favorites. And look like

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<v Speaker 5>they all are doing this to get a leg up

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<v Speaker 5>into TV mostly mostly.

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<v Speaker 2>To extend their profile, to build on their profile, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>which is fair. I know, and sometimes we say it

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<v Speaker 2>like that's a like we're like, oh, they're just doing

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<v Speaker 2>it to build their profile. Everybody's doing every opportunity their

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<v Speaker 2>work career is to get a pay rise or to

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<v Speaker 2>get a raise or increase their employment. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>if you're in media or if you're working as a

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<v Speaker 2>sales assistant. Like, we're all working hard to get noticed.

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<v Speaker 5>Sign no drum with it, Yeah, and that's what the

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<v Speaker 5>show was sort of about. It's about getting celebrities who

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<v Speaker 5>trying to get back into the scene. So I had

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<v Speaker 5>no drama with it. Where I had drama was where

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<v Speaker 5>they weren't straight with me. I don't know people I've

1:03:06.760 --> 1:03:09.480
<v Speaker 5>been straight, but David Haslhoff was sort of really interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>Like we had the holf on one series there and

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<v Speaker 5>I remember saying to me, he said, Mark, I've got

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<v Speaker 5>to go to Austria. I've been booked to do the

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<v Speaker 5>birthday party of someone, mister Glock. The guy's got the

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<v Speaker 5>glock pistols, some old dude. And I didn't realize that

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<v Speaker 5>Hoff was so famous in Austria. He's very famous. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>totally famous. So he was on the wall when the

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<v Speaker 5>Berlin Wall was coming down, singing some song in German

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<v Speaker 5>for everybody was It was like a number one hit

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<v Speaker 5>in Europe. So Hoff had no understanding of the rules

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<v Speaker 5>of the show. Zero I've got to go, I'm going

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<v Speaker 5>to earn a whold of money. Hold the show until

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<v Speaker 5>I come back, which is what we did. We had

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<v Speaker 5>to stop filming until he came back because the item

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<v Speaker 5>fired him and I had no reason to fire him,

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<v Speaker 5>so we had to hold the show until he came back.

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<v Speaker 5>So I got to sort of see some already already

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<v Speaker 5>knew Hoff because I had a girlfriend in la who

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<v Speaker 5>was friends with Hoff, and when Hoff was married and

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<v Speaker 5>his friends with his wife, and those are the days

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<v Speaker 5>when he was drinking a lot and his wife is

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<v Speaker 5>drinking a lot, and they're in the sort of breakoup period.

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<v Speaker 5>And when he came back to Australia, unfortunately, somehow the

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<v Speaker 5>current fair of one of those shows showed a video

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<v Speaker 5>of him that was on YouTube, of his daughter crying

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<v Speaker 5>to him about Dad stopped drinking. And then when he

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<v Speaker 5>saw it, we're filming and you come up to me

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<v Speaker 5>and said I'm out. I'm leaving the show because you

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<v Speaker 5>guys have embarrassed me on Australian television. It was n nothing

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<v Speaker 5>to do with me, mate, like I didn't you know?

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<v Speaker 5>And that was a YouTube video totally And I end

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<v Speaker 5>up having to put him up in my apartment in

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<v Speaker 5>the city of Macross Street for three weeks. We lavished

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<v Speaker 5>him with everything he possibly imagine and we had a

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<v Speaker 5>sort of pretty much bribing him back into staying on

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<v Speaker 5>the show. But they're interesting people. But to answer your question,

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<v Speaker 5>Julie Morris by far was a standout.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I love the water compliment, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And she isn't like Australia's darling. So it's so nice

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<v Speaker 2>when you hear about people that we see on TV

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<v Speaker 2>every day when there is amazing is what you hope

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<v Speaker 2>they are?

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<v Speaker 5>She really so and she still texts me and says

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<v Speaker 5>hey you going and all that sort of stuff. And

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<v Speaker 5>I have everybody's text, every being persons on the show.

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<v Speaker 5>I have all the text numbers and when they left

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<v Speaker 5>I would send them a little note and text and

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<v Speaker 5>say how are you going? They will have my text

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<v Speaker 5>number two say look I'm sorry I had to fire you, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you but you're so y before we do let

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<v Speaker 2>you go, I mean, I feel like we can't have

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<v Speaker 2>possibly Australia's most experienced businessman without asking you what would

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<v Speaker 2>be And this is a very open question, but what

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<v Speaker 2>would be the best piece of business advice that you

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<v Speaker 2>have learned over the years.

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<v Speaker 5>If you've got a business that's selling into somebody, make

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<v Speaker 5>sure you're selling into what is called a rising tide.

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<v Speaker 5>So know what is a rising tide globally, not just

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<v Speaker 5>in Australia, globally. So it could be something to do

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<v Speaker 5>with artificial intelligence, because there's a rising tide there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>who knows whether the tide will go to, how quickly

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<v Speaker 5>it will rise, or whether it will ever be deflated.

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<v Speaker 5>But any business that has some application to artificial intelligence

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<v Speaker 5>and machine learning today as far as and like chat

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<v Speaker 5>you between all that sort of stuff, from my point

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<v Speaker 5>of view, is a good place to start to build

1:05:55.720 --> 1:05:58.240
<v Speaker 5>your business aspirations. It could be something to do with

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<v Speaker 5>technology podcasts. Example, it's probably tougher today, but like when

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<v Speaker 5>we were setting up our.

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast when we started, yeah, it was a rising tide

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<v Speaker 2>and being an early adopter, the idea.

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<v Speaker 5>Of adopt early and find out what is a rising tide.

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<v Speaker 5>So always be paying attention with what's going on locally,

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<v Speaker 5>but probably more importantly overseas. And where's everyone directing their

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<v Speaker 5>attention in the early stages. And do I have an application?

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<v Speaker 5>Do I have the skills and application to go into

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<v Speaker 5>that environment. Don't try and get into those environments after

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<v Speaker 5>seven or eight years when it's completely full and very competitive,

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<v Speaker 5>because then you're just going to be either buying yourself

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<v Speaker 5>or investing in a business that's you could probably go

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<v Speaker 5>and get a job somewhere in the same amount of

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<v Speaker 5>money and have nowhere near the hassle. So look for

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<v Speaker 5>the rising tides.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark, thank you so much for being a part of

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<v Speaker 2>the pod. You are insightful but also a joy to

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<v Speaker 2>speak to. Thanks going ask so much of your time today.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks very much.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm pretti about you. But I'm going to start a business.

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<v Speaker 5>I find the rising tide.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm rising the tide running all the way into the sunset. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys know we never finished an episode without our

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<v Speaker 1>suck and our sweet, our highlight and our lowlight of

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<v Speaker 1>the week.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna kick it off, so alright, just been there, girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 3>that's all. I have one quick suck.

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<v Speaker 1>That was just like a real, real suck, which is

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<v Speaker 1>I've been horrifically ill.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I feel like I've taken over you. You're so dramatic.

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<v Speaker 3>I only think Matt is the second most dramatic person.

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<v Speaker 3>Well horrifically ill.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I was hovering over quite an I do

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<v Speaker 1>for myself. Yeah, it was really bad, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I've taken over you. I feel like there was

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<v Speaker 1>a little while ago that you were on this you

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<v Speaker 1>were sick all the time, and I was really healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I feel like I'm getting sick all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not healthy. I'm like a shell of a human.

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<v Speaker 2>All I do is dance, dance, dance.

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<v Speaker 3>I do is dance, dance, dance.

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<v Speaker 1>So really sick, as in this has not happened to

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<v Speaker 1>me before. But I got really bad vertico in my sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>which is where the world is spinning and then you

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<v Speaker 1>start vomiting and you cannot move your head anyway or

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<v Speaker 1>you vomit.

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<v Speaker 3>I vomited for twelve hours straight.

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<v Speaker 2>It was wild, and they thought that it maybe was

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<v Speaker 2>a side effect from doing the skin treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing related nut. I didn't know anyway. We won't to

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<v Speaker 1>go too deep into that for now. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>one suck and now I'm going to go into my suite.

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<v Speaker 1>We will go into another suck. So my swite bear

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<v Speaker 1>with me. My sweet of the week was I never

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<v Speaker 1>hang anything in my house. I got some art recently

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<v Speaker 1>and I loved it. I moved my house around, I

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<v Speaker 1>moved to my furnishure around and now there are these big.

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<v Speaker 3>Walls that were like really barren. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I need to hang some art on there.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I got all romantic and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Produced thes laughing because.

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<v Speaker 1>She knows online ordered three frames of photos to be

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<v Speaker 1>delivered to my house because I'm too lazy and don't

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<v Speaker 1>have time to go do it. Of Ben and I

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<v Speaker 1>when we did that really funny on the spare of

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<v Speaker 1>the moment professional photo shoot at the Louver in Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't know that story, guys, we were at

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<v Speaker 1>the Louver in Paris and this Rando photographer asked to

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<v Speaker 1>come and shoot us. We thought it was a scam,

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<v Speaker 1>we said yes for a laugh, and we ended up

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<v Speaker 1>getting these really beautiful photos from it. So I ordered

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<v Speaker 1>three of them and printed them out decent side, and

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<v Speaker 1>I put all three of them on this one wall

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<v Speaker 1>in my laundroom really next to each other.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it looked really good.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was so proud of the fact that I

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<v Speaker 1>did it on my own. I hung it, I measured it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just really feeling myself. The pictures are great,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm in love. This is going into my suck is.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was really nice. I've never been in

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<v Speaker 1>love and put a picture up of me and my

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<v Speaker 1>partner in my existence first time.

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<v Speaker 3>All my friends do it, everyone else does it? Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>Do I do that?

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<v Speaker 4>Do people put off?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? I go into my friend's house and there's like

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<v Speaker 1>giant nude photoshoots of them. Anyway, really yeah, so producer

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<v Speaker 1>Keisha and my other friend Kim. Yes, I'm naming shaming you, Kim.

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<v Speaker 1>They both they both come into my house and just

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<v Speaker 1>start tearing strips off me for the fact that I

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<v Speaker 1>put photos up of myself and my partner in the

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<v Speaker 1>lound room. First of all, they were like, Okay, it

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<v Speaker 1>either looks like someone's died. Someone's died and this is

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<v Speaker 1>a shrine, or it looks like a wedding shoot. And

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<v Speaker 1>apparently you're not allowed to put photos up of yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and your partner unless you're married. Now I disagree.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that is bullshit. I'm calling bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do I have to be married to put photos

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<v Speaker 1>up of me and my lover?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's that Like I mean, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of little photos of Matt and I. We

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<v Speaker 2>got this like little pack and there was a few

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<v Speaker 2>photos of us.

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<v Speaker 3>And like all once you put on the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like hard picture frames that you put on like

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<v Speaker 2>a little side table.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a couple of those of Matt nite.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's more the fact because your lounge room

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<v Speaker 2>is the first room you walk into when you enter

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<v Speaker 2>your house.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have a west wing in an east wing.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a tiny apartment totally. You walk in and

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lounge room.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe it looks like a shrine because it's three

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<v Speaker 2>big photos together. But can I just in your defense,

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<v Speaker 2>because your partner and you're doing long distance, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>see them every day, so it's nice to have like

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<v Speaker 2>a daily shrine to sit and look at.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I sort of did it because he's coming here

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<v Speaker 1>in two weeks to visit, and I want him to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh cute, Like I mean something to her.

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<v Speaker 3>She's done something. Well, you think he's gonna see it

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<v Speaker 3>and be like, babe, why have you got a shrine?

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<v Speaker 1>Because because I showed him and he thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>really cute. And at the end of the day, fuck you,

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<v Speaker 1>produce a Keyser and Kim, I will shrine the shit

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<v Speaker 1>out of my us.

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<v Speaker 3>I love to know.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to know who has big photos of

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<v Speaker 2>them and their partner put on the wall.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but they're usually wedding shoots. Is the difference.

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<v Speaker 1>But what if I choose to never get married and

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<v Speaker 1>just be in love? Does that mean I can't also

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<v Speaker 1>bask in my own love.

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<v Speaker 2>No, You're allowed to bask in love. That's beautiful. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so happy with the basking and the loving. But I

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<v Speaker 2>would like to know where the limit is. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>know that a picture in a picture frame on a

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<v Speaker 2>side table is completely fine, and so.

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<v Speaker 1>If it transitions to the wall, it's not okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it's bigger than a four and it's on

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<v Speaker 2>a wall and there's three of them, is that not appropriate? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What limit to the proclamation of love? Are you allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to have in your own living space? Or love?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, declaration whatever? Or can you just have whatever?

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<v Speaker 1>Love?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you have like.

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<v Speaker 2>A full fucking artwork made of you and your partner

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<v Speaker 2>and your love of each other.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you can do whatever you want.

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<v Speaker 1>And just to clarify, guys, this isn't like they are

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<v Speaker 1>only A four sized photos. There's three of them, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's more like an A four. Yeah, but then they've

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<v Speaker 1>got the frame so I had to couple of centimeters.

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<v Speaker 3>But then there's three.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're all of the same shoot, which I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was a vibe. But I'm not very good at aesthetics.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's all three different photos from the loop which

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<v Speaker 1>stuff you all.

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<v Speaker 3>I like it. I can't wait to see this. I

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<v Speaker 3>can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take a photo of you because you don't come

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<v Speaker 1>to my house anymore, so hard they ever get to

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<v Speaker 1>come to your house?

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<v Speaker 3>That's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>I was there the other week, but I was quite

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<v Speaker 1>offended producing she wants to put it on Insta.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I'm there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think we can put it on instat

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<v Speaker 2>because that just opens it up to a vote of

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<v Speaker 2>people saying whether it's okay or not okay, which I think.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, it's your house. You do what if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to in your house? And that's Okay, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do a shrine of dildos on the wall,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine too.

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<v Speaker 3>This is my point.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so taken aback that these two were laughing

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<v Speaker 1>at me and had the audacity to laugh in me

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<v Speaker 1>in my own home after I bought them dinner.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, the hide of them. I think it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen heaps people with photos of their partners, and

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon, if we do a poll, which you know.

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<v Speaker 3>We're all gonna do, we're gonna do an Instagram pole.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a single wedding photo in my house,

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<v Speaker 2>not a single one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't shock me because you're a very disorganized person.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you think it's just because I haven't gotten around

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<v Speaker 3>to it yet.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, that will never be done because it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>priority for you at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got too much other stuff going on. But nah,

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've got them in a nice book, and

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<v Speaker 2>Matt got a lovely wedding book made up. I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I'm a wedding photos in my house kind

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<v Speaker 2>of person.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a I don't know, it's a beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>day that shocks me.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it would be nice to have a wedding

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<v Speaker 1>photo you get once in your life, the best day

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<v Speaker 1>of your life, I hope.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think you should print one. I'll print you

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<v Speaker 3>a couple. Well, you know where to buy them, so

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<v Speaker 3>could you for me? I'll send you the link, swipe up,

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<v Speaker 3>temps and on.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, guys, So my second sweet for the week

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<v Speaker 2>is my suck is a boring one. And I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I say quite a bit recently, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to say it anyway. Things have been so busy recently.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had Matt's mum come in and stay with me.

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<v Speaker 2>She's not suck. Ellie's actually my sweet. She's fucking amazing

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<v Speaker 2>life saver. But I just literally have not seen my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Like training and fitting work schedule around everything has meant

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm out of the house at six am.

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<v Speaker 3>You miss Marley's eighteenth birthday. Yeah, Marley's moved out her home.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not home until seven pm most nights, which

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<v Speaker 2>means I'm pretty much missing from the time that they

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<v Speaker 2>wake up until the time they go to bed. I

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<v Speaker 2>know it is just a period in time, Like I know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's only for like another eleven days of filming. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's really hard, and it's been now for like the

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<v Speaker 2>last couple of weeks that my ability to spend time

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<v Speaker 2>with them has gone les less and less, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>at the point now it really affects me. I get

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<v Speaker 2>up in the morning and I feel really sad that

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<v Speaker 2>I can't spend more time with them. Yeah, it's fair,

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<v Speaker 2>And I know for me as well, as much as

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<v Speaker 2>I've loved doing Dancing with the Stars, it's been really really.

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<v Speaker 3>Fun and I love all the work that I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that like that's it for me for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I need some I need some time out.

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<v Speaker 3>You do, Yeah, but it's like, do not say yes

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<v Speaker 3>or anything else. I was hoping you'd say that. I

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<v Speaker 3>hoping you get there on your own. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I just it was my nephew's birthday party on the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>which I couldn't go to, and I just feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm missing out on stuff with you. It is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those things in life that sometimes saying

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<v Speaker 1>yes to one opportunity means there's a sacrifice in another

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of your life.

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<v Speaker 3>And we talk about that with Mark Burris.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those things and you chose this opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>which you've had a great time and you've learned, and

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<v Speaker 1>but something had to give and it will be over

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<v Speaker 1>soon and you'll be back on track.

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<v Speaker 3>You definitely need to go take a fucking breath and

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<v Speaker 3>get a message.

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<v Speaker 2>And I need it's a magnesium and maybe sit a

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<v Speaker 2>nice bath to get laid. No, had sex the other day. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Nana took the kids out at lunchtime and I was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have a nap, but we had sex instead lunchtime nap. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I had lunchtime sex. Midday minusion to Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 2>like literally one o'clock and I was like a literation.

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<v Speaker 3>Did I have a midday threesome with my mother in law?

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<v Speaker 3>I just went for the literation thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, okay, I haven't had any reasons, as we

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<v Speaker 2>established earlier, and my sweet for the week is my

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<v Speaker 2>mother in law. And the reason for that is that

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<v Speaker 2>Ellie Matt's mum has taken three weeks of annual leave

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<v Speaker 2>to come and live with us, and she has just

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<v Speaker 2>been doing everything. So she's been cooking, she's been cleaning,

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<v Speaker 2>she's been filling up the love cup for the kids

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<v Speaker 2>because I've not been there to do it. And she

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<v Speaker 2>just is fucking amazing and it really reminds me that

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<v Speaker 2>it takes a village.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't do it all in.

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<v Speaker 2>Your and you know, I think that's kind of been

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<v Speaker 2>the theme of today's podcast episode.

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