WEBVTT - Science-based tips to becoming your most confident self ⚡

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<v Speaker 1>Get out everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Wood here and it's hung over Sam, which I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't sure if I should tell you or not tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not terribly professional, and this is really going to

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<v Speaker 2>make me sound bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also a Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>I had one of my two of my very close friends'

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<v Speaker 2>weddings last night. I don't normally drink anything during the week,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was champagne and wine flowing at a simply

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<v Speaker 2>spectacular wedding in Country Victoria. That station I went to

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<v Speaker 2>last night and it was absolutely wonderful. So feeling a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit seedy today, but still very excited to be

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<v Speaker 2>here in the Shito because we had some very very

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<v Speaker 2>special guests. They're known as the Psychology Sisters, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk to us about the importance of self confidence,

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<v Speaker 2>increasing your self esteem, and actually really getting into self worth,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one of those things that we don't talk

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<v Speaker 2>about enough, we often probably don't understand enough, and it

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<v Speaker 2>is super super important. And then after that we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about spring fresh produce because spring is here

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<v Speaker 2>and we want to eat well foods that taste delicious

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<v Speaker 2>and save a little bit of money.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Wood life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Sam Wood.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>So today on the wood Life, we are uncovering a

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting topic and something that perhaps gets swept under

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<v Speaker 2>the rag a little bit or not talked about enough,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is confidence and self esteem. And what's better

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<v Speaker 2>than one expert on the matter when you can have

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<v Speaker 2>two experts on the matter. And we are thrilled to

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<v Speaker 2>be joined by the psychology sisters, Kat and Amy. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just get this right. Cat, you are a psychologist,

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<v Speaker 2>and Amy you are a psychotherapist and counsel are and

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<v Speaker 2>together you are the psychology Sisters. And I can't wait

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<v Speaker 2>to get into this interesting topic with you. And thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us today.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Sam. Yes, you did so well, absolutely correct.

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<v Speaker 2>We're here to talk about confidence and self esteem. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a relatively naturally confident person, I feel, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think I've definitely done things through my life that have

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely helped me gain confidence and continue to build that.

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<v Speaker 2>But my brother and sister, who are both younger than me,

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<v Speaker 2>definitely don't have the same sort of natural confidence that

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<v Speaker 2>I have. And my sister sort of tongue in cheek,

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<v Speaker 2>says that I got all the confidence in the family

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<v Speaker 2>and there was none left for her. And my brother,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a bit of a bit of a she's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of joking, but she definitely doesn't have the same

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<v Speaker 2>confidence to meet new people and put herself out there

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<v Speaker 2>that I potentially do. So how much of confidence do

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<v Speaker 2>you feel is something that you're born with and how

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<v Speaker 2>much of it is something that you can actually work

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<v Speaker 2>on and develop?

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<v Speaker 3>Great questions, Sam, I think you're absolutely so spot on

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<v Speaker 3>with the differences in siblings. That is such a common

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<v Speaker 3>characteristic trait that can show up quite differently among siblings,

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<v Speaker 3>and it kind of creates a question of nature versus nurture, right,

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<v Speaker 3>how much is this a biological or personality trait versus

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<v Speaker 3>how much is learned? And I think both both can

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<v Speaker 3>be true. I think absolutely we can be born, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>with more extraversion than others. We can be born with

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<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe more risk taking behaviors than others, which

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<v Speaker 3>can come across as confidence, but we can also learn it.

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<v Speaker 3>Confidence is absolutely it is really heavily impacted by our environment,

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<v Speaker 3>the way that our parents or care givers spoke to us,

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<v Speaker 3>the way that our teachers coaches spoke to us, the

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<v Speaker 3>way that our friends spoke to us, the way in

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<v Speaker 3>which the world works the way in which we see

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<v Speaker 3>you know, who's good and who's not good or perfection

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<v Speaker 3>really can impact on our ability and the way that

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<v Speaker 3>we see ourselves and value ourselves. So I would say both, Sam,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd say both biological personality traite, but also confidence can

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely be learned.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go, let's go sort of beneath the surface a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. What's actually happening to our brains when we're

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<v Speaker 2>when we're experiencing confidence versus sort of when we're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there something happening to our actual brain function when

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<v Speaker 2>that's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, that's a really really good question, Sam. I think

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<v Speaker 4>this can be best explained or described when we think

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<v Speaker 4>back to evolutionary processes. So, for example, when we feel

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<v Speaker 4>threatened in some way, and I think confidence is most

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<v Speaker 4>threatened when we talk about social threats, so threat of embarrassment, rejection, failure, shame.

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<v Speaker 4>We have our survival system that activates flight fall freeze.

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<v Speaker 4>So we fight with ourselves. Okay, we criticize, we suppress

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<v Speaker 4>parts of ourselves that we learn aren't say, accepted, approved of.

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<v Speaker 4>These mechanisms are designed to keep us in line or

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<v Speaker 4>fix things about ourselves, to keep us safe. So that

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<v Speaker 4>we belong here, so that we're accepted as humans. Our

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<v Speaker 4>most primitive survival mechanism is to make sure that we

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<v Speaker 4>are connected, that we are belonging. So sometimes we might

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<v Speaker 4>flee into shame and isolation as a way to avoid

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<v Speaker 4>discomfort things that we're not good at, or things that

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<v Speaker 4>we fear that we might fail at and form. We

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<v Speaker 4>might start to mold ourselves into being whatever somebody else

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<v Speaker 4>wants us to be, or whatever we perceive that we

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<v Speaker 4>need to be in order to feel safe in the

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<v Speaker 4>sense of belonging or to avoid things like embarrassment or rejection.

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<v Speaker 4>And so we can start to understand that these adaptive

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<v Speaker 4>mechanisms that initially, you know, were there to keep us

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<v Speaker 4>safe from saber tooth tigers actually become really unhelpful when say,

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<v Speaker 4>we don't like the way we look and address, or

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<v Speaker 4>we don't like, you know, photos of ourselves, or we

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<v Speaker 4>don't think that we're the right weight, shape size.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really interesting to go back to such a primitive origin.

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<v Speaker 4>Amy.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a teenage daughter who I think that that

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<v Speaker 2>age in particular, you know, she's seventeen years old, but

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<v Speaker 2>she will analyze what's going to happen to within each

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<v Speaker 2>of our life so much so that it paralyzes her

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, you know, Like she'll think about going out,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she's almost played out the whole scenario in

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<v Speaker 2>her head of who's going to be there and what

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<v Speaker 2>are they going to think? And what am I going

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<v Speaker 2>to wear? And who else is going to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so much so that she's almost exhausted herself or lived

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<v Speaker 2>it as a worst case scenario in her head rather than.

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<v Speaker 4>Just go What a brilliant survival mechanism she has, Like

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<v Speaker 4>this is the wisdom of her organ trying to create

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<v Speaker 4>a sense of certainty and predictability that you know, there

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<v Speaker 4>is this really big event and there are social risks

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<v Speaker 4>and social threat and so this is her wise, beautiful

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<v Speaker 4>brain trying to keep her safe by anticipating all of

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<v Speaker 4>the what ifs what could happen. But then, like we

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<v Speaker 4>were saying, sometimes these adaptive protective parts of us actually

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<v Speaker 4>end up being blockages. And what I mean by blockages

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<v Speaker 4>is sometimes they do such a great job at protecting

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<v Speaker 4>us that we may not try to do things or

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<v Speaker 4>put ourselves in situations because the risk or the fear

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<v Speaker 4>of failure or embarrassment or judgment seems far too threatening

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<v Speaker 4>or far too scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I'm guilty of it. I mean guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it isn't the right word, but I'm definitely restricted

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<v Speaker 2>by it in a networking sense.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously a big part of my job is to get

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<v Speaker 2>out there and made as many different people as I can,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd do some public speaking, or we'll go to

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<v Speaker 2>various business events or fitness events. And even now, after

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so many years of experience doing what I do,

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<v Speaker 2>I still find myself huddled in the corner of these

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<v Speaker 2>big events with a thousand people, talking to the four

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<v Speaker 2>people I know in my little safe place. I love

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to you guys a little bit too about

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<v Speaker 2>imposter syndrome.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those things that as I was growing

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<v Speaker 2>my twenty eight business and getting more of a public profile,

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<v Speaker 2>I probably every month would have a sinking feeling in

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<v Speaker 2>my stomach that this wasn't real. It was all too

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<v Speaker 2>good to be true. I didn't belong here, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was all probably going to end tomorrow. Why do we

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<v Speaker 2>do that to ourselves?

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<v Speaker 3>Great question, Sam, I think one that a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people can relate to. I know you're not alone in

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<v Speaker 3>that feeling. I think really coming off the back of

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<v Speaker 3>what Aims was talking about with you know, imposter syndrome

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<v Speaker 3>is quite adaptive. Imposterive syndrome is that protective mechanism coming

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<v Speaker 3>up again. That's saying, hey, you've got ninety nine compliments,

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<v Speaker 3>but if there's one critical piece of feedback or one

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<v Speaker 3>mistake that we've made, we're going to focus on that.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's something we call the negativity bias, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>something that we all have because our brain is not

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<v Speaker 3>wide for happiness and risk taking. It's wide for safety.

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<v Speaker 3>So whenever there's a threat, right, our brain will do

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<v Speaker 3>this thing where it's like, well, this feels too scary.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, this big thing feels scary, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if I feel deserving of this, so let's try

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<v Speaker 3>and not do this. I bet maybe starting up your

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<v Speaker 3>business there was probably a lot of that self talk

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<v Speaker 3>of this feels too scary or there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>risk here and it's safer to stay in my shell.

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<v Speaker 3>Imposter syndrome is you know, really the function of it

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<v Speaker 3>is to really self reflect and it creates insight because

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<v Speaker 3>as humans, the function of the negativity bias and imposter

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<v Speaker 3>syndrome is to do better, be better. Really, if you

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<v Speaker 3>were really self confident and really over confident, you probably

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't grow, You wouldn't develop, you wouldn't look into your

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<v Speaker 3>business or yourself or whatever it may be that you're

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<v Speaker 3>passionate about, and then think about what can I do better?

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<v Speaker 3>How can I be better? So I think there is

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<v Speaker 3>a function of imposter syndrome of we really looking to

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves and really think, Okay, I want to do better

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<v Speaker 3>and be better. But it can get to a point

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<v Speaker 3>where it is quite dysfunctional and not helpful, when it's

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<v Speaker 3>crippling you or overwhelming you. So essentially it is about

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<v Speaker 3>that middle ground of always self reflecting and wanting to

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<v Speaker 3>do better, but also knowing that you are deserving of

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<v Speaker 3>where you are. You've worked really really hard to get

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<v Speaker 3>where you were, and if you're not experiencing imposters syndrome,

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<v Speaker 3>you're probably not growing. It's really common, no matter how

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<v Speaker 3>successful you are, to experience it. It's not a sign

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<v Speaker 3>that you shouldn't be doing it. It's a sign that

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<v Speaker 3>you are outside your comfort zone and it feels really scary,

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<v Speaker 3>but it doesn't necessarily mean to stop. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a really normal experience to feel.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. I love that. You know, I've never

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<v Speaker 2>viewed it as having a positive purpose, And I totally

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<v Speaker 2>understand exactly what you're saying. It's both and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>fine line. But I think because I never do stop

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<v Speaker 2>and reflect or stop and congratulate myself, perhaps it brought

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<v Speaker 2>when it did come on, it came and more. You

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<v Speaker 2>sort of extreme in extreme manner. So enough about me,

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<v Speaker 2>let's stop talking about me. So a lot of my

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight is a lot of our listeners are on

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<v Speaker 2>a wellness journey, and it's you know, whether it's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get fitter or stronger, or lose the weight that

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<v Speaker 2>they've never been able to lose, or whatever it might be.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do little coaching groups with a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and something that I see far more often than I

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<v Speaker 2>sort of expected to, I think from people that are having,

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<v Speaker 2>in my eyes, a wonderful deal of success. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're losing lots of weight, they're fitter and stronger and

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<v Speaker 2>healthier than they ever have been, but it's just not

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<v Speaker 2>how they see themselves. How do these people start to

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<v Speaker 2>change their mindset and sort of shift that way they're

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<v Speaker 2>feeling about confidence and self esteem, to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>accept these compliments and be able to be prouder of

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<v Speaker 2>how far they've come, rather than continually just focusing on

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<v Speaker 2>how far they've got to go.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, that is such a great question, and I think absolutely, Sam,

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<v Speaker 4>we are talking about something a little bit different than

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<v Speaker 4>confidence here. Confidence and self worse are not the same things.

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<v Speaker 4>And what you're talking about in terms of no matter

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<v Speaker 4>what external achievements I seem to gain, something still doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>feel enough. That is more in that self worse realm. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>so much of body image and physical appearance based lacks

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<v Speaker 4>around confidence have very little to do with what our

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<v Speaker 4>actual physical body looks like, and so much to do

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<v Speaker 4>with the messages and the meaning and the worth and

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<v Speaker 4>value we attribute to our body and our body image.

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<v Speaker 4>So no one is born hating their body. These are

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<v Speaker 4>messages we learn, and essentially that voice that says, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>once I lose five kilos, then I'll be enough. My

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<v Speaker 4>biggest tip. I wish it was simple, it's not. It

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<v Speaker 4>would be self compassion. And this often seems to be

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<v Speaker 4>used as something that is quite fluffy. It's not. I

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<v Speaker 4>guess if we're going back to our nervous system. Self

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<v Speaker 4>compassion relies on our safety system, you know, it helps

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<v Speaker 4>us to feel soothed and safe. And going back to

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<v Speaker 4>evolutionary theory, it's that care system that we use to

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<v Speaker 4>give love to others, to our children. Essentially, self compassion

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<v Speaker 4>is flipping this on our elves. It's what we already

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<v Speaker 4>give to others, but it's being able to do that

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<v Speaker 4>to ourselves. And if we break down the meaning of

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<v Speaker 4>compassion com means wiz and passion means suffer, So compassion

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<v Speaker 4>literally means to suffer with. So if we are able

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<v Speaker 4>to really acknowledge and recognize our experience rather than beating

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<v Speaker 4>ourselves up and criticizing ourselves, if we're able to acknowledge

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<v Speaker 4>that this is really hard and validate that, then we

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<v Speaker 4>feel less overwhelmed, We feel less anxious, It reduces fear

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<v Speaker 4>of failure. We're more able to cope with the discomfort.

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<v Speaker 4>It helps with burnout because we're able to set boundaries

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<v Speaker 4>for ourselves, we have better work life balance, and it's contagious.

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<v Speaker 4>When we model this to our children, to people around us,

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<v Speaker 4>we help others be less criticizing and more compassionate towards

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<v Speaker 4>themselves too, and I think women in general are pretty

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<v Speaker 4>bad at doing this right, because we're raised to feel

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<v Speaker 4>value and worth based on putting others first. Okay, we

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<v Speaker 4>see being self compassionate as being selfish, and we think that,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we have this limited supply of compassion, but

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<v Speaker 4>actually it's additive. So the more compassion you give to yourself,

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<v Speaker 4>the more will be available for others. Okay, and sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>logistically there are time limitations, and that's a very real resource.

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<v Speaker 4>But what I love about self compassion is we never

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<v Speaker 4>run out of emotional support like warmth and kindness and

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<v Speaker 4>patience and care. That's always going to be available to us.

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<v Speaker 4>We just have to give ourselves permission to access that

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<v Speaker 4>for ourself, and that is like a continual process. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's an everyday practice of starting to access this part.

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<v Speaker 2>So what are the simplest, quickest things that someone could

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<v Speaker 2>start doing from tomorrow? From a practical sense, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Having really reflect on how you speak to yourself is

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<v Speaker 3>really important here, Like Aims was saying self compassion not

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<v Speaker 3>self compassionate, you're probably talking to yourself quite negatively. So

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<v Speaker 3>I guess a really practical strategy is, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>here to write nice things about yourself and think positive.

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<v Speaker 3>But how can you do that when you've been at

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<v Speaker 3>war with yourself for many years. You can't suddenly change

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<v Speaker 3>the way you think about yourself overnight. So something that

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<v Speaker 3>I ask for or do with clients is write down

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<v Speaker 3>the thoughts you have about yourself, and how can we

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<v Speaker 3>instead of going straight to positive, how can we actually

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<v Speaker 3>go to a mutual statement. So instead of I hate

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<v Speaker 3>my thighs, instead of going to I love my thighs.

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<v Speaker 3>Your brain is clever out. Your brain's not going to

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<v Speaker 3>believe that. Your brain's are going to be like, okay, great,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll flick that switch. That neural pathways now change. We

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<v Speaker 3>need to create statements that we actually believe but aren't

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<v Speaker 3>as negative or intense as something like I hate this

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<v Speaker 3>part of myself. So something like you know, if that's

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<v Speaker 3>how you feel, I hate this body part. Instead of that,

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<v Speaker 3>could we maybe have a statement of, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>this body part really helps me run, or this body

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<v Speaker 3>part helps me diegets food, this body part is really helpful,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know what, your brain will perceive that as oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that actually is fact. So then what will happen is

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<v Speaker 3>we'll create a new neural pathway. The next time we

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<v Speaker 3>think about that body part or we practice that. As

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<v Speaker 3>Ames was saying, we won't go straight into that. Really

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<v Speaker 3>it's not negative. They're protective. They're very protective thoughts, right,

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<v Speaker 3>it'll go to that logic. You know what, although I

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<v Speaker 3>still feel this way about my body part, I'm acknowledging

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<v Speaker 3>there's a positive or a neutral part to this that

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<v Speaker 3>it helps me in some way. So I think that

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<v Speaker 3>that's a trap we can get caught in. Is I

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<v Speaker 3>noticed this with clients with their body image, that I

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<v Speaker 3>should love myself and that's actually not the case at all.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be great to get there, but it's a journey,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a relationship, you know, and it's slowly taking those

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<v Speaker 3>baby steps. So neutralizing, you know, statements like that, focusing

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<v Speaker 3>on the function of your body, the strengths that you

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<v Speaker 3>have that are true, your brain is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>much better able to get there and believe that than

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<v Speaker 3>going straight to everything's perfect and I love everythingout myself.

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<v Speaker 2>You said too, Amy, It's not an easy process, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think is a really important thing for people to understand,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly if this is how you've been for a long

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<v Speaker 2>long time, you said, Kat, You've been at war with

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<v Speaker 2>yourself for a long time. It's not a click your

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<v Speaker 2>finger turn things around youb I love that neutralizing things

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<v Speaker 2>before you flip it to a love or a positive

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<v Speaker 2>side of the coin.

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<v Speaker 1>How long can it take?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, it is a process, and I say it needs

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<v Speaker 4>to be an everyday commitment, and everyday commitment to yourself

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<v Speaker 4>and every day practice starting to really recognize and acknowledge

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<v Speaker 4>this part of yourself that really believes in you, that

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<v Speaker 4>knows that you are so deserving of love and that

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<v Speaker 4>you are good enough. Starting to acknowledge every day what

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<v Speaker 4>that part does for you. Kat was speaking about neural

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<v Speaker 4>pathways and neural circuits. A lot of our inner critic

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<v Speaker 4>is subconscious. It is that we will be triggered by

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<v Speaker 4>something and then we have an automatic response. Those protective

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<v Speaker 4>parts of us, like shame and guilt, they will come

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<v Speaker 4>out without us even knowing. So it's an everyday practice

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<v Speaker 4>of becoming more and more conscious of these parts. And

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<v Speaker 4>this is where I think mindfulness can be really helpful.

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<v Speaker 4>So practicing being with yourself moment to moment, without judgment

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<v Speaker 4>of what comes up for you, So paying attention to

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<v Speaker 4>how you feel in your body, paying attention to your physiology,

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<v Speaker 4>is really important because how we feel in our body

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of you were mentioning your daughter experiencing anxiety

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<v Speaker 4>around events. When we have a lot of nervous energy

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<v Speaker 4>or anxiety about something, we're perceiving that through the lens

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<v Speaker 4>of threat. Okay, So when I'm anxious about something, my

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<v Speaker 4>perception of it is that it's bad, it's dangerous. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to keep myself safe from potential embarrassment, humiliation,

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<v Speaker 4>that type of thing. When I'm calm, when I'm present,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm viewing the situation or the world through the lens

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<v Speaker 4>of optimism, I feel much less overwhelmed and much more

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<v Speaker 4>confident in my capacity to cope. Okay, So being mindful

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<v Speaker 4>as an everyday practice, being present with yourself and attuned

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<v Speaker 4>to yourself as an everyday practice is going to be

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<v Speaker 4>really really helpful. And rather than getting you there faster

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of self acceptance and self love and that

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<v Speaker 4>type of thing, what that will do is broaden our

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<v Speaker 4>capacity to cope with the process as we move through it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, Yeah, I really love that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you know, I often say to people, would you

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<v Speaker 2>say that to your.

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<v Speaker 1>Friend or family member? That God?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, like, so, why are you saying to yourself, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm sure you've you've said that to your to

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<v Speaker 2>your clients many times. It's like, why you would never

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<v Speaker 2>say that to your sister or your daughter or your

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<v Speaker 2>best friend, and yet you have no trouble whatsoever talking

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<v Speaker 2>like that to yourself. And it's it's but sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>think they sort of suppress it or but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's written down in front of you, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what you were saying to yourself today. That's not good

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<v Speaker 2>language to be using to yourself on it, like you say,

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<v Speaker 2>on a consistent basis.

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<v Speaker 3>It's quite confronting when people do this, because you're right,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't acknowledge that they speak to themselves like that.

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<v Speaker 3>When we get clients to do this, they'll be quite

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<v Speaker 3>confronted with how they do speak to themselves. Often get

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<v Speaker 3>clients to write a letter to themselves and their body,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's a really confronting experience because they talk to

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<v Speaker 3>their body like they're angry at it, like it's done

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<v Speaker 3>something wrong, and it's actually, you know, a task like

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<v Speaker 3>that is really helpful and being like wow, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>because we're not aware of our thoughts every day that

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<v Speaker 3>we have, we have it's so unconscious how we live

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<v Speaker 3>our life, so to actually bring it to awareness is

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<v Speaker 3>really confronting. And that's a really great tools to write

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<v Speaker 3>down how do you speak to yourself? Because when we

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<v Speaker 3>have a thought, it creates a feeling, and that feeling

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<v Speaker 3>creates behavior, and if we're not thinking about ourselves constructively,

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<v Speaker 3>that the cycle continues. So yeah, I think writing it

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<v Speaker 3>down five minutes a day, stacking it onto another habit

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<v Speaker 3>like working out. You know, we prioritize our physical health

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<v Speaker 3>so much. We go to the gym, we eat really well,

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<v Speaker 3>but when it comes to our mental health, we just

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<v Speaker 3>hope that it's all good all the time without putting

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<v Speaker 3>in a lot of effort. We need to think of

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<v Speaker 3>our mental health really holistically, like with our physical health,

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<v Speaker 3>put the time into it. Five minutes a day is

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<v Speaker 3>more than enough. And you know, whatever that be, journaling,

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<v Speaker 3>going to therapy, talking to a friend, writing down your sorts,

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<v Speaker 3>caring for your nervous system, breath, mindfulness like whatever that

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<v Speaker 3>looks like for you, sleep, good food, like these are

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<v Speaker 3>all wonderful things we can do for our mental health.

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<v Speaker 3>It's prioritizing that it's really important too.

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<v Speaker 4>It's essentially just like nourishment like everyday nourishment, like you

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't not eat for a whole day or a whole week.

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<v Speaker 4>Our mental health is just as important as physical hunger.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we would, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Would not eat for a week. We need to need

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<v Speaker 2>to feed our emotional state as well, you know, our

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<v Speaker 2>mental health. It's so so true if there was one

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<v Speaker 2>two hip for our listeners that you we can leave

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<v Speaker 2>them with today to do it, to just start doing

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<v Speaker 2>every single day, what would it be?

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<v Speaker 3>I have a something that does sometimes help, and you

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<v Speaker 3>know it is actually how you talk to yourself is

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<v Speaker 3>often how would you talk to your younger self? Or

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<v Speaker 3>often when we bring our younger self into it, it

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<v Speaker 3>creates a sense of compassion as aims for saying of

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<v Speaker 3>this self compassion because we are our own harshest critics.

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<v Speaker 3>So every time you have a thought about I don't

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<v Speaker 3>like this about myself or I'm really annoyed that I

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<v Speaker 3>did that or messed up, would you say the same

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<v Speaker 3>thing to younger you? You know, our childline version of

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<v Speaker 3>ourself is very vulnerable and needs a lot of support.

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<v Speaker 3>But but really what's changed except a few years. I

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<v Speaker 3>find that a really helpful strategy is the next time

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<v Speaker 3>you're kind of in the mirror and really being quite

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<v Speaker 3>self critical, what would you say to younger you? Would

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<v Speaker 3>you say the same things or would you say something

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<v Speaker 3>quite different, Because that part of yourself deserves the same

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<v Speaker 3>compassion and love and support is what you would give

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<v Speaker 3>you a child, right, So I find that really helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>And now it's a big trend on TikTok is putting

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<v Speaker 3>a picture of your younger self on the mirror. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if you guys have heard that before, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's an amazing idea because it puts that

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<v Speaker 3>in the front of mind of how would I talk

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<v Speaker 3>to younger me? And I think that can really shift

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<v Speaker 3>the way that we speak to ourselves. Oh well, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Love that's Yeah, Let's get out the old photo album

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<v Speaker 2>and then pick a little doozy out of the photo

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<v Speaker 2>and give that up on our mirror and do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a wonderful exercise. To Lebo, this is

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<v Speaker 2>with Hungover Sam has come on today, and I thought

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<v Speaker 2>we were going to be a bit it was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a bit more lighthearted, but it's been deep

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<v Speaker 2>and it's been really powerful, and I can't thank both

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<v Speaker 2>of you enough for your time today. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Where can people find you if they want to follow

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<v Speaker 2>you and get some more tips from you or catch

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<v Speaker 2>up with what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Girls.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's been an absolute pleasure.

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<v Speaker 3>We're on Instagram at the Psychology Sisters. We have a

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<v Speaker 3>podcast this Psychology Sisters always have an online psycho practice

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<v Speaker 3>which only and I both work out called Eat Psycho Pretty,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's on Instagram as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you both so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope if you are listening and you do struggle

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<v Speaker 2>from a self worth, self compassion, self confidence perspective, that

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<v Speaker 2>you just you take that on board you start to,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, shift the balance a little bit, spend

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit less time working out and a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more time working out on your mind. Next up,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to get a bit of a spring in

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<v Speaker 2>our step as we're going to talk about seasonal and

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<v Speaker 2>spring foods. So a little while ago we spoke about

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<v Speaker 2>winter foods as we were in winter. We're now not

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<v Speaker 2>in winter anymore, and so I love that this question

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<v Speaker 2>has come through from Jill.

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<v Speaker 5>I was listening to one of your earlier episodes about

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<v Speaker 5>what we should be eating during the winter, and I wonder,

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<v Speaker 5>just as we're heading into spring. What foods would you

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<v Speaker 5>recommend we start eating at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a good question you, and I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 2>you brought it up, particularly right now, And yes we did.

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<v Speaker 2>We spoke about winter. The principle doesn't change. The season

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<v Speaker 2>has changed, but the principles to why you should stay

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<v Speaker 2>seasonal don't change. And to be honest, there's too many

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<v Speaker 2>reasons to do this and no reasons not to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>The food tastes better, it's more accessible, and it's more affordable.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've all noticed it. You know, you go to

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<v Speaker 2>buy a fruit and it's not in season, it's expensive

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<v Speaker 2>and it typically tastes a bit like crap. Whereas if

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<v Speaker 2>you're buying the food that particular fruit when it's in season,

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<v Speaker 2>there's an abundance of them everywhere with it be the

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<v Speaker 2>supermarket or the markets or whatever it might be. They're

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<v Speaker 2>much cheaper and the flavor just hits you when you

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<v Speaker 2>buy it into them. So now in spring. So I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a comprehensive list in front of me, which I

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<v Speaker 2>won't go through alphabetically because we'll be here all day.

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<v Speaker 2>But from a fruit and vege perspective, we've got blueberries, honey,

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<v Speaker 2>jew mangoes, oranges, watermelon, pineapple. They're all coming into season

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<v Speaker 2>from a fruit perspective, and then from vegetables, we've got

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<v Speaker 2>our snow peas, our cabbage, our Brussels sprouts, our broccoli,

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<v Speaker 2>our spring onion, our mushrooms. They're all coming into peak

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<v Speaker 2>season now September to November. And then even our herbs

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<v Speaker 2>and spices. When you're flavoring your foods, flavor them seasonally too,

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<v Speaker 2>so at the moment, go for your basil, chili deal, chibes,

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<v Speaker 2>coriy ander, garlic and ginger, and you can't go wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I really felt today we got into the nitty gritty

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<v Speaker 2>of a really important topic. As always, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>sending you questions through There's always a link in the

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<v Speaker 2>show notes you can send me a voice question at

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<v Speaker 2>any time and I'll be back on Monday for another

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<v Speaker 2>motivational moment. Have a great weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you soon.