Speaker 1: Get out everyone.
Speaker 2: Sam Wood here and it's hung over Sam, which I
Speaker 2: wasn't sure if I should tell you or not tell you.
Speaker 2: It's not terribly professional, and this is really going to
Speaker 2: make me sound bad.
Speaker 1: But it's also a Thursday.
Speaker 2: I had one of my two of my very close friends'
Speaker 2: weddings last night. I don't normally drink anything during the week,
Speaker 2: but there was champagne and wine flowing at a simply
Speaker 2: spectacular wedding in Country Victoria. That station I went to
Speaker 2: last night and it was absolutely wonderful. So feeling a
Speaker 2: little bit seedy today, but still very excited to be
Speaker 2: here in the Shito because we had some very very
Speaker 2: special guests. They're known as the Psychology Sisters, and they're
Speaker 2: going to talk to us about the importance of self confidence,
Speaker 2: increasing your self esteem, and actually really getting into self worth,
Speaker 2: which is one of those things that we don't talk
Speaker 2: about enough, we often probably don't understand enough, and it
Speaker 2: is super super important. And then after that we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about spring fresh produce because spring is here
Speaker 2: and we want to eat well foods that taste delicious
Speaker 2: and save a little bit of money.
Speaker 1: This is the Wood life.
Speaker 2: I'm Sam Wood.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: So today on the wood Life, we are uncovering a
Speaker 2: really interesting topic and something that perhaps gets swept under
Speaker 2: the rag a little bit or not talked about enough,
Speaker 2: and that is confidence and self esteem. And what's better
Speaker 2: than one expert on the matter when you can have
Speaker 2: two experts on the matter. And we are thrilled to
Speaker 2: be joined by the psychology sisters, Kat and Amy. Now
Speaker 2: I'll just get this right. Cat, you are a psychologist,
Speaker 2: and Amy you are a psychotherapist and counsel are and
Speaker 2: together you are the psychology Sisters. And I can't wait
Speaker 2: to get into this interesting topic with you. And thanks
Speaker 2: for joining us today.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Sam. Yes, you did so well, absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: We're here to talk about confidence and self esteem. And
Speaker 2: I'm a relatively naturally confident person, I feel, and I
Speaker 2: think I've definitely done things through my life that have
Speaker 2: absolutely helped me gain confidence and continue to build that.
Speaker 2: But my brother and sister, who are both younger than me,
Speaker 2: definitely don't have the same sort of natural confidence that
Speaker 2: I have. And my sister sort of tongue in cheek,
Speaker 2: says that I got all the confidence in the family
Speaker 2: and there was none left for her. And my brother,
Speaker 2: which is a bit of a bit of a she's
Speaker 2: sort of joking, but she definitely doesn't have the same
Speaker 2: confidence to meet new people and put herself out there
Speaker 2: that I potentially do. So how much of confidence do
Speaker 2: you feel is something that you're born with and how
Speaker 2: much of it is something that you can actually work
Speaker 2: on and develop?
Speaker 3: Great questions, Sam, I think you're absolutely so spot on
Speaker 3: with the differences in siblings. That is such a common
Speaker 3: characteristic trait that can show up quite differently among siblings,
Speaker 3: and it kind of creates a question of nature versus nurture, right,
Speaker 3: how much is this a biological or personality trait versus
Speaker 3: how much is learned? And I think both both can
Speaker 3: be true. I think absolutely we can be born, you know,
Speaker 3: with more extraversion than others. We can be born with
Speaker 3: you know, maybe more risk taking behaviors than others, which
Speaker 3: can come across as confidence, but we can also learn it.
Speaker 3: Confidence is absolutely it is really heavily impacted by our environment,
Speaker 3: the way that our parents or care givers spoke to us,
Speaker 3: the way that our teachers coaches spoke to us, the
Speaker 3: way that our friends spoke to us, the way in
Speaker 3: which the world works the way in which we see
Speaker 3: you know, who's good and who's not good or perfection
Speaker 3: really can impact on our ability and the way that
Speaker 3: we see ourselves and value ourselves. So I would say both, Sam,
Speaker 3: I'd say both biological personality traite, but also confidence can
Speaker 3: absolutely be learned.
Speaker 2: Let's go, let's go sort of beneath the surface a
Speaker 2: little bit. What's actually happening to our brains when we're
Speaker 2: when we're experiencing confidence versus sort of when we're not.
Speaker 2: Is there something happening to our actual brain function when
Speaker 2: that's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's a really really good question, Sam. I think
Speaker 4: this can be best explained or described when we think
Speaker 4: back to evolutionary processes. So, for example, when we feel
Speaker 4: threatened in some way, and I think confidence is most
Speaker 4: threatened when we talk about social threats, so threat of embarrassment, rejection, failure, shame.
Speaker 4: We have our survival system that activates flight fall freeze.
Speaker 4: So we fight with ourselves. Okay, we criticize, we suppress
Speaker 4: parts of ourselves that we learn aren't say, accepted, approved of.
Speaker 4: These mechanisms are designed to keep us in line or
Speaker 4: fix things about ourselves, to keep us safe. So that
Speaker 4: we belong here, so that we're accepted as humans. Our
Speaker 4: most primitive survival mechanism is to make sure that we
Speaker 4: are connected, that we are belonging. So sometimes we might
Speaker 4: flee into shame and isolation as a way to avoid
Speaker 4: discomfort things that we're not good at, or things that
Speaker 4: we fear that we might fail at and form. We
Speaker 4: might start to mold ourselves into being whatever somebody else
Speaker 4: wants us to be, or whatever we perceive that we
Speaker 4: need to be in order to feel safe in the
Speaker 4: sense of belonging or to avoid things like embarrassment or rejection.
Speaker 4: And so we can start to understand that these adaptive
Speaker 4: mechanisms that initially, you know, were there to keep us
Speaker 4: safe from saber tooth tigers actually become really unhelpful when say,
Speaker 4: we don't like the way we look and address, or
Speaker 4: we don't like, you know, photos of ourselves, or we
Speaker 4: don't think that we're the right weight, shape size.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting to go back to such a primitive origin.
Speaker 4: Amy.
Speaker 2: I've got a teenage daughter who I think that that
Speaker 2: age in particular, you know, she's seventeen years old, but
Speaker 2: she will analyze what's going to happen to within each
Speaker 2: of our life so much so that it paralyzes her
Speaker 2: a lot, you know, Like she'll think about going out,
Speaker 2: and then she's almost played out the whole scenario in
Speaker 2: her head of who's going to be there and what
Speaker 2: are they going to think? And what am I going
Speaker 2: to wear? And who else is going to you know,
Speaker 2: so much so that she's almost exhausted herself or lived
Speaker 2: it as a worst case scenario in her head rather than.
Speaker 4: Just go What a brilliant survival mechanism she has, Like
Speaker 4: this is the wisdom of her organ trying to create
Speaker 4: a sense of certainty and predictability that you know, there
Speaker 4: is this really big event and there are social risks
Speaker 4: and social threat and so this is her wise, beautiful
Speaker 4: brain trying to keep her safe by anticipating all of
Speaker 4: the what ifs what could happen. But then, like we
Speaker 4: were saying, sometimes these adaptive protective parts of us actually
Speaker 4: end up being blockages. And what I mean by blockages
Speaker 4: is sometimes they do such a great job at protecting
Speaker 4: us that we may not try to do things or
Speaker 4: put ourselves in situations because the risk or the fear
Speaker 4: of failure or embarrassment or judgment seems far too threatening
Speaker 4: or far too scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm guilty of it. I mean guilty.
Speaker 2: Maybe it isn't the right word, but I'm definitely restricted
Speaker 2: by it in a networking sense.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Obviously a big part of my job is to get
Speaker 2: out there and made as many different people as I can,
Speaker 2: and I'd do some public speaking, or we'll go to
Speaker 2: various business events or fitness events. And even now, after
Speaker 2: you know, so many years of experience doing what I do,
Speaker 2: I still find myself huddled in the corner of these
Speaker 2: big events with a thousand people, talking to the four
Speaker 2: people I know in my little safe place. I love
Speaker 2: to talk to you guys a little bit too about
Speaker 2: imposter syndrome.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's one of those things that as I was growing
Speaker 2: my twenty eight business and getting more of a public profile,
Speaker 2: I probably every month would have a sinking feeling in
Speaker 2: my stomach that this wasn't real. It was all too
Speaker 2: good to be true. I didn't belong here, and it
Speaker 2: was all probably going to end tomorrow. Why do we
Speaker 2: do that to ourselves?
Speaker 3: Great question, Sam, I think one that a lot of
Speaker 3: people can relate to. I know you're not alone in
Speaker 3: that feeling. I think really coming off the back of
Speaker 3: what Aims was talking about with you know, imposter syndrome
Speaker 3: is quite adaptive. Imposterive syndrome is that protective mechanism coming
Speaker 3: up again. That's saying, hey, you've got ninety nine compliments,
Speaker 3: but if there's one critical piece of feedback or one
Speaker 3: mistake that we've made, we're going to focus on that.
Speaker 3: And that's something we call the negativity bias, and that's
Speaker 3: something that we all have because our brain is not
Speaker 3: wide for happiness and risk taking. It's wide for safety.
Speaker 3: So whenever there's a threat, right, our brain will do
Speaker 3: this thing where it's like, well, this feels too scary.
Speaker 3: You know, this big thing feels scary, and I don't
Speaker 3: know if I feel deserving of this, so let's try
Speaker 3: and not do this. I bet maybe starting up your
Speaker 3: business there was probably a lot of that self talk
Speaker 3: of this feels too scary or there's a lot of
Speaker 3: risk here and it's safer to stay in my shell.
Speaker 3: Imposter syndrome is you know, really the function of it
Speaker 3: is to really self reflect and it creates insight because
Speaker 3: as humans, the function of the negativity bias and imposter
Speaker 3: syndrome is to do better, be better. Really, if you
Speaker 3: were really self confident and really over confident, you probably
Speaker 3: wouldn't grow, You wouldn't develop, you wouldn't look into your
Speaker 3: business or yourself or whatever it may be that you're
Speaker 3: passionate about, and then think about what can I do better?
Speaker 3: How can I be better? So I think there is
Speaker 3: a function of imposter syndrome of we really looking to
Speaker 3: ourselves and really think, Okay, I want to do better
Speaker 3: and be better. But it can get to a point
Speaker 3: where it is quite dysfunctional and not helpful, when it's
Speaker 3: crippling you or overwhelming you. So essentially it is about
Speaker 3: that middle ground of always self reflecting and wanting to
Speaker 3: do better, but also knowing that you are deserving of
Speaker 3: where you are. You've worked really really hard to get
Speaker 3: where you were, and if you're not experiencing imposters syndrome,
Speaker 3: you're probably not growing. It's really common, no matter how
Speaker 3: successful you are, to experience it. It's not a sign
Speaker 3: that you shouldn't be doing it. It's a sign that
Speaker 3: you are outside your comfort zone and it feels really scary,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't necessarily mean to stop. I think it's
Speaker 3: a really normal experience to feel.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. You know, I've never
Speaker 2: viewed it as having a positive purpose, And I totally
Speaker 2: understand exactly what you're saying. It's both and it's a
Speaker 2: fine line. But I think because I never do stop
Speaker 2: and reflect or stop and congratulate myself, perhaps it brought
Speaker 2: when it did come on, it came and more. You
Speaker 2: sort of extreme in extreme manner. So enough about me,
Speaker 2: let's stop talking about me. So a lot of my
Speaker 2: twenty eight is a lot of our listeners are on
Speaker 2: a wellness journey, and it's you know, whether it's trying
Speaker 2: to get fitter or stronger, or lose the weight that
Speaker 2: they've never been able to lose, or whatever it might be.
Speaker 2: And I do little coaching groups with a lot of them,
Speaker 2: and something that I see far more often than I
Speaker 2: sort of expected to, I think from people that are having,
Speaker 2: in my eyes, a wonderful deal of success. You know,
Speaker 2: they're losing lots of weight, they're fitter and stronger and
Speaker 2: healthier than they ever have been, but it's just not
Speaker 2: how they see themselves. How do these people start to
Speaker 2: change their mindset and sort of shift that way they're
Speaker 2: feeling about confidence and self esteem, to be able to
Speaker 2: accept these compliments and be able to be prouder of
Speaker 2: how far they've come, rather than continually just focusing on
Speaker 2: how far they've got to go.
Speaker 4: Oh, that is such a great question, and I think absolutely, Sam,
Speaker 4: we are talking about something a little bit different than
Speaker 4: confidence here. Confidence and self worse are not the same things.
Speaker 4: And what you're talking about in terms of no matter
Speaker 4: what external achievements I seem to gain, something still doesn't
Speaker 4: feel enough. That is more in that self worse realm. Now,
Speaker 4: so much of body image and physical appearance based lacks
Speaker 4: around confidence have very little to do with what our
Speaker 4: actual physical body looks like, and so much to do
Speaker 4: with the messages and the meaning and the worth and
Speaker 4: value we attribute to our body and our body image.
Speaker 4: So no one is born hating their body. These are
Speaker 4: messages we learn, and essentially that voice that says, okay,
Speaker 4: once I lose five kilos, then I'll be enough. My
Speaker 4: biggest tip. I wish it was simple, it's not. It
Speaker 4: would be self compassion. And this often seems to be
Speaker 4: used as something that is quite fluffy. It's not. I
Speaker 4: guess if we're going back to our nervous system. Self
Speaker 4: compassion relies on our safety system, you know, it helps
Speaker 4: us to feel soothed and safe. And going back to
Speaker 4: evolutionary theory, it's that care system that we use to
Speaker 4: give love to others, to our children. Essentially, self compassion
Speaker 4: is flipping this on our elves. It's what we already
Speaker 4: give to others, but it's being able to do that
Speaker 4: to ourselves. And if we break down the meaning of
Speaker 4: compassion com means wiz and passion means suffer, So compassion
Speaker 4: literally means to suffer with. So if we are able
Speaker 4: to really acknowledge and recognize our experience rather than beating
Speaker 4: ourselves up and criticizing ourselves, if we're able to acknowledge
Speaker 4: that this is really hard and validate that, then we
Speaker 4: feel less overwhelmed, We feel less anxious, It reduces fear
Speaker 4: of failure. We're more able to cope with the discomfort.
Speaker 4: It helps with burnout because we're able to set boundaries
Speaker 4: for ourselves, we have better work life balance, and it's contagious.
Speaker 4: When we model this to our children, to people around us,
Speaker 4: we help others be less criticizing and more compassionate towards
Speaker 4: themselves too, and I think women in general are pretty
Speaker 4: bad at doing this right, because we're raised to feel
Speaker 4: value and worth based on putting others first. Okay, we
Speaker 4: see being self compassionate as being selfish, and we think that,
Speaker 4: you know, we have this limited supply of compassion, but
Speaker 4: actually it's additive. So the more compassion you give to yourself,
Speaker 4: the more will be available for others. Okay, and sometimes
Speaker 4: logistically there are time limitations, and that's a very real resource.
Speaker 4: But what I love about self compassion is we never
Speaker 4: run out of emotional support like warmth and kindness and
Speaker 4: patience and care. That's always going to be available to us.
Speaker 4: We just have to give ourselves permission to access that
Speaker 4: for ourself, and that is like a continual process. So
Speaker 4: it's an everyday practice of starting to access this part.
Speaker 2: So what are the simplest, quickest things that someone could
Speaker 2: start doing from tomorrow? From a practical sense, I think.
Speaker 3: Having really reflect on how you speak to yourself is
Speaker 3: really important here, Like Aims was saying self compassion not
Speaker 3: self compassionate, you're probably talking to yourself quite negatively. So
Speaker 3: I guess a really practical strategy is, you know, we
Speaker 3: here to write nice things about yourself and think positive.
Speaker 3: But how can you do that when you've been at
Speaker 3: war with yourself for many years. You can't suddenly change
Speaker 3: the way you think about yourself overnight. So something that
Speaker 3: I ask for or do with clients is write down
Speaker 3: the thoughts you have about yourself, and how can we
Speaker 3: instead of going straight to positive, how can we actually
Speaker 3: go to a mutual statement. So instead of I hate
Speaker 3: my thighs, instead of going to I love my thighs.
Speaker 3: Your brain is clever out. Your brain's not going to
Speaker 3: believe that. Your brain's are going to be like, okay, great,
Speaker 3: I'll flick that switch. That neural pathways now change. We
Speaker 3: need to create statements that we actually believe but aren't
Speaker 3: as negative or intense as something like I hate this
Speaker 3: part of myself. So something like you know, if that's
Speaker 3: how you feel, I hate this body part. Instead of that,
Speaker 3: could we maybe have a statement of, you know what,
Speaker 3: this body part really helps me run, or this body
Speaker 3: part helps me diegets food, this body part is really helpful,
Speaker 3: and you know what, your brain will perceive that as oh,
Speaker 3: that actually is fact. So then what will happen is
Speaker 3: we'll create a new neural pathway. The next time we
Speaker 3: think about that body part or we practice that. As
Speaker 3: Ames was saying, we won't go straight into that. Really
Speaker 3: it's not negative. They're protective. They're very protective thoughts, right,
Speaker 3: it'll go to that logic. You know what, although I
Speaker 3: still feel this way about my body part, I'm acknowledging
Speaker 3: there's a positive or a neutral part to this that
Speaker 3: it helps me in some way. So I think that
Speaker 3: that's a trap we can get caught in. Is I
Speaker 3: noticed this with clients with their body image, that I
Speaker 3: should love myself and that's actually not the case at all.
Speaker 3: It would be great to get there, but it's a journey,
Speaker 3: it's a relationship, you know, and it's slowly taking those
Speaker 3: baby steps. So neutralizing, you know, statements like that, focusing
Speaker 3: on the function of your body, the strengths that you
Speaker 3: have that are true, your brain is going to be
Speaker 3: much better able to get there and believe that than
Speaker 3: going straight to everything's perfect and I love everythingout myself.
Speaker 2: You said too, Amy, It's not an easy process, which
Speaker 2: I think is a really important thing for people to understand,
Speaker 2: particularly if this is how you've been for a long
Speaker 2: long time, you said, Kat, You've been at war with
Speaker 2: yourself for a long time. It's not a click your
Speaker 2: finger turn things around youb I love that neutralizing things
Speaker 2: before you flip it to a love or a positive
Speaker 2: side of the coin.
Speaker 1: How long can it take?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it is a process, and I say it needs
Speaker 4: to be an everyday commitment, and everyday commitment to yourself
Speaker 4: and every day practice starting to really recognize and acknowledge
Speaker 4: this part of yourself that really believes in you, that
Speaker 4: knows that you are so deserving of love and that
Speaker 4: you are good enough. Starting to acknowledge every day what
Speaker 4: that part does for you. Kat was speaking about neural
Speaker 4: pathways and neural circuits. A lot of our inner critic
Speaker 4: is subconscious. It is that we will be triggered by
Speaker 4: something and then we have an automatic response. Those protective
Speaker 4: parts of us, like shame and guilt, they will come
Speaker 4: out without us even knowing. So it's an everyday practice
Speaker 4: of becoming more and more conscious of these parts. And
Speaker 4: this is where I think mindfulness can be really helpful.
Speaker 4: So practicing being with yourself moment to moment, without judgment
Speaker 4: of what comes up for you, So paying attention to
Speaker 4: how you feel in your body, paying attention to your physiology,
Speaker 4: is really important because how we feel in our body
Speaker 4: in terms of you were mentioning your daughter experiencing anxiety
Speaker 4: around events. When we have a lot of nervous energy
Speaker 4: or anxiety about something, we're perceiving that through the lens
Speaker 4: of threat. Okay, So when I'm anxious about something, my
Speaker 4: perception of it is that it's bad, it's dangerous. You know.
Speaker 4: I want to keep myself safe from potential embarrassment, humiliation,
Speaker 4: that type of thing. When I'm calm, when I'm present,
Speaker 4: I'm viewing the situation or the world through the lens
Speaker 4: of optimism, I feel much less overwhelmed and much more
Speaker 4: confident in my capacity to cope. Okay, So being mindful
Speaker 4: as an everyday practice, being present with yourself and attuned
Speaker 4: to yourself as an everyday practice is going to be
Speaker 4: really really helpful. And rather than getting you there faster
Speaker 4: in terms of self acceptance and self love and that
Speaker 4: type of thing, what that will do is broaden our
Speaker 4: capacity to cope with the process as we move through it.
Speaker 1: I love that, Yeah, I really love that.
Speaker 2: It's you know, I often say to people, would you
Speaker 2: say that to your.
Speaker 1: Friend or family member? That God?
Speaker 2: Now, like, so, why are you saying to yourself, you know,
Speaker 2: like I'm sure you've you've said that to your to
Speaker 2: your clients many times. It's like, why you would never
Speaker 2: say that to your sister or your daughter or your
Speaker 2: best friend, and yet you have no trouble whatsoever talking
Speaker 2: like that to yourself. And it's it's but sometimes I
Speaker 2: think they sort of suppress it or but you know,
Speaker 2: if it's written down in front of you, this is
Speaker 2: what you were saying to yourself today. That's not good
Speaker 2: language to be using to yourself on it, like you say,
Speaker 2: on a consistent basis.
Speaker 3: It's quite confronting when people do this, because you're right,
Speaker 3: they don't acknowledge that they speak to themselves like that.
Speaker 3: When we get clients to do this, they'll be quite
Speaker 3: confronted with how they do speak to themselves. Often get
Speaker 3: clients to write a letter to themselves and their body,
Speaker 3: and that's a really confronting experience because they talk to
Speaker 3: their body like they're angry at it, like it's done
Speaker 3: something wrong, and it's actually, you know, a task like
Speaker 3: that is really helpful and being like wow, you know,
Speaker 3: because we're not aware of our thoughts every day that
Speaker 3: we have, we have it's so unconscious how we live
Speaker 3: our life, so to actually bring it to awareness is
Speaker 3: really confronting. And that's a really great tools to write
Speaker 3: down how do you speak to yourself? Because when we
Speaker 3: have a thought, it creates a feeling, and that feeling
Speaker 3: creates behavior, and if we're not thinking about ourselves constructively,
Speaker 3: that the cycle continues. So yeah, I think writing it
Speaker 3: down five minutes a day, stacking it onto another habit
Speaker 3: like working out. You know, we prioritize our physical health
Speaker 3: so much. We go to the gym, we eat really well,
Speaker 3: but when it comes to our mental health, we just
Speaker 3: hope that it's all good all the time without putting
Speaker 3: in a lot of effort. We need to think of
Speaker 3: our mental health really holistically, like with our physical health,
Speaker 3: put the time into it. Five minutes a day is
Speaker 3: more than enough. And you know, whatever that be, journaling,
Speaker 3: going to therapy, talking to a friend, writing down your sorts,
Speaker 3: caring for your nervous system, breath, mindfulness like whatever that
Speaker 3: looks like for you, sleep, good food, like these are
Speaker 3: all wonderful things we can do for our mental health.
Speaker 3: It's prioritizing that it's really important too.
Speaker 4: It's essentially just like nourishment like everyday nourishment, like you
Speaker 4: wouldn't not eat for a whole day or a whole week.
Speaker 4: Our mental health is just as important as physical hunger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would, we.
Speaker 2: Would not eat for a week. We need to need
Speaker 2: to feed our emotional state as well, you know, our
Speaker 2: mental health. It's so so true if there was one
Speaker 2: two hip for our listeners that you we can leave
Speaker 2: them with today to do it, to just start doing
Speaker 2: every single day, what would it be?
Speaker 3: I have a something that does sometimes help, and you
Speaker 3: know it is actually how you talk to yourself is
Speaker 3: often how would you talk to your younger self? Or
Speaker 3: often when we bring our younger self into it, it
Speaker 3: creates a sense of compassion as aims for saying of
Speaker 3: this self compassion because we are our own harshest critics.
Speaker 3: So every time you have a thought about I don't
Speaker 3: like this about myself or I'm really annoyed that I
Speaker 3: did that or messed up, would you say the same
Speaker 3: thing to younger you? You know, our childline version of
Speaker 3: ourself is very vulnerable and needs a lot of support.
Speaker 3: But but really what's changed except a few years. I
Speaker 3: find that a really helpful strategy is the next time
Speaker 3: you're kind of in the mirror and really being quite
Speaker 3: self critical, what would you say to younger you? Would
Speaker 3: you say the same things or would you say something
Speaker 3: quite different, Because that part of yourself deserves the same
Speaker 3: compassion and love and support is what you would give
Speaker 3: you a child, right, So I find that really helpful.
Speaker 3: And now it's a big trend on TikTok is putting
Speaker 3: a picture of your younger self on the mirror. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you guys have heard that before, but
Speaker 3: I think that's an amazing idea because it puts that
Speaker 3: in the front of mind of how would I talk
Speaker 3: to younger me? And I think that can really shift
Speaker 3: the way that we speak to ourselves. Oh well, I.
Speaker 2: Love that's Yeah, Let's get out the old photo album
Speaker 2: and then pick a little doozy out of the photo
Speaker 2: and give that up on our mirror and do that.
Speaker 2: I think that's a wonderful exercise. To Lebo, this is
Speaker 2: with Hungover Sam has come on today, and I thought
Speaker 2: we were going to be a bit it was going
Speaker 2: to be a bit more lighthearted, but it's been deep
Speaker 2: and it's been really powerful, and I can't thank both
Speaker 2: of you enough for your time today. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Where can people find you if they want to follow
Speaker 2: you and get some more tips from you or catch
Speaker 2: up with what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Girls.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's been an absolute pleasure.
Speaker 3: We're on Instagram at the Psychology Sisters. We have a
Speaker 3: podcast this Psychology Sisters always have an online psycho practice
Speaker 3: which only and I both work out called Eat Psycho Pretty,
Speaker 3: and that's on Instagram as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you both so much.
Speaker 2: I hope if you are listening and you do struggle
Speaker 2: from a self worth, self compassion, self confidence perspective, that
Speaker 2: you just you take that on board you start to,
Speaker 2: as I said, shift the balance a little bit, spend
Speaker 2: a little bit less time working out and a little
Speaker 2: bit more time working out on your mind. Next up,
Speaker 2: we're going to get a bit of a spring in
Speaker 2: our step as we're going to talk about seasonal and
Speaker 2: spring foods. So a little while ago we spoke about
Speaker 2: winter foods as we were in winter. We're now not
Speaker 2: in winter anymore, and so I love that this question
Speaker 2: has come through from Jill.
Speaker 5: I was listening to one of your earlier episodes about
Speaker 5: what we should be eating during the winter, and I wonder,
Speaker 5: just as we're heading into spring. What foods would you
Speaker 5: recommend we start eating at the moment.
Speaker 2: That's such a good question you, and I'm so glad
Speaker 2: you brought it up, particularly right now, And yes we did.
Speaker 2: We spoke about winter. The principle doesn't change. The season
Speaker 2: has changed, but the principles to why you should stay
Speaker 2: seasonal don't change. And to be honest, there's too many
Speaker 2: reasons to do this and no reasons not to do this.
Speaker 2: The food tastes better, it's more accessible, and it's more affordable.
Speaker 2: And we've all noticed it. You know, you go to
Speaker 2: buy a fruit and it's not in season, it's expensive
Speaker 2: and it typically tastes a bit like crap. Whereas if
Speaker 2: you're buying the food that particular fruit when it's in season,
Speaker 2: there's an abundance of them everywhere with it be the
Speaker 2: supermarket or the markets or whatever it might be. They're
Speaker 2: much cheaper and the flavor just hits you when you
Speaker 2: buy it into them. So now in spring. So I've
Speaker 2: got a comprehensive list in front of me, which I
Speaker 2: won't go through alphabetically because we'll be here all day.
Speaker 2: But from a fruit and vege perspective, we've got blueberries, honey,
Speaker 2: jew mangoes, oranges, watermelon, pineapple. They're all coming into season
Speaker 2: from a fruit perspective, and then from vegetables, we've got
Speaker 2: our snow peas, our cabbage, our Brussels sprouts, our broccoli,
Speaker 2: our spring onion, our mushrooms. They're all coming into peak
Speaker 2: season now September to November. And then even our herbs
Speaker 2: and spices. When you're flavoring your foods, flavor them seasonally too,
Speaker 2: so at the moment, go for your basil, chili deal, chibes,
Speaker 2: coriy ander, garlic and ginger, and you can't go wrong.
Speaker 2: I really felt today we got into the nitty gritty
Speaker 2: of a really important topic. As always, thank you for
Speaker 2: sending you questions through There's always a link in the
Speaker 2: show notes you can send me a voice question at
Speaker 2: any time and I'll be back on Monday for another
Speaker 2: motivational moment. Have a great weekend.
Speaker 1: I'll see you soon.