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Speaker 1: So from your perspective, you know, what did that vote

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Speaker 1: Look, as I've said to you, I've spoken to a

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Speaker 3: Well, I understand what you're saying there, Katie, but I

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Speaker 3: out of that meeting because they weren't happy because the

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Speaker 3: Commissioner had misled them. No one's spoken to him. This

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Speaker 3: is our first meeting today with the Minister talking about

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Speaker 3: the legislation. If the Minister had actually met with correctional officers,

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Speaker 3: they might not have been happy, but they would have

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Speaker 3: had a lot more respect for Minister Maylee because at

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Speaker 3: least he had basically the audacity to meet with the officers,

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Speaker 3: say this is what we're trying to do. What's your

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Speaker 3: views on this? And then our members could have actually

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Speaker 3: let him know their feedback.

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Speaker 1: Laurona, I am really interested to hear how this meeting

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Speaker 1: goes today, so please keep us in the loop. I

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Speaker 1: always appreciate your time. Thank you very much for having

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Speaker 1: a chat with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: You too, Thank you