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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I've been talking about it for a while, but

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Speaker 1: it is finally here.

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Speaker 2: This is the Fertility Special.

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Speaker 1: It's a four part podcast about the Boss and My's

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Speaker 1: journey doing one round of IVF, all in a bid

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Speaker 1: to do an egg collection and then to hopefully freeze embryos,

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Speaker 1: all for future planning. So we share everything through our perspective,

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Speaker 1: and we've recorded these episodes at different stages of the cycle.

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Speaker 1: So today's episode was actually recorded right before injection one,

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Speaker 1: like right before the day that I started all the injections.

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Speaker 1: So you'll get to know all about the different types

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Speaker 1: of blood tests. We tests, ultra pelvic ultrasounds. Boss had

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Speaker 1: to do a couple of sperm tests because these stuff.

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Speaker 2: Fun of them up. We just share all of it.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, we learned that we were what's called socially infertile.

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Speaker 1: We didn't know what that word even meant. We talk

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Speaker 1: about the costs involved, We just really talk about it very,

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Speaker 1: very honestly. I even share my own results as well

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Speaker 1: SODA's Boss. So this pod exists just to help you

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Speaker 1: feel less alone and less scared if this is something

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Speaker 1: that you're thinking about, or toying with, or just want

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Speaker 1: to know more about. So I really hope you enjoy

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Speaker 1: this part. I hope you get something from it. And

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Speaker 1: it's just us sharing honestly and vulnerably, go easy, honest,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, big love.

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Speaker 2: I hope you take.

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Speaker 1: Something from this, right I Hello, Hello, we are talking

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Speaker 1: about fertility and this is part one of our fertility

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Speaker 1: embryo Freezing journey.

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Speaker 2: Yes it is. Thanks for having me on the pod.

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Speaker 2: How you feel? So?

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Speaker 1: This is my boyfriend aka Bossco aka Matt Sofo.

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Speaker 2: Hello. How are you feeling? I'm feeling good.

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Speaker 1: I'm a bit nervous about this pot Why I know,

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Speaker 1: I just little nervous and puk All right?

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Speaker 2: Why are you sharing a lot already? But no, it's

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Speaker 2: okay to be a bit nervous. You're sharing a lot

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Speaker 2: of information, a lot about yourself. Being very vulnerable. It's good.

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Speaker 1: Well, the aim of the game with this pod is

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Speaker 1: to help as many people as we can, because we're

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Speaker 1: not kind of doing going down this path for like,

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Speaker 1: quote unquote, like the reasons that a lot of other

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Speaker 1: people go down the IVF path because they've tried to

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Speaker 1: have bambinos and they really want that bambino and they're

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Speaker 1: not having like luck naturally, and then they end up

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Speaker 1: in this scenario where they're you know, getting egos, introducing

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Speaker 1: your sperm, making embryos, and then transplanting or transferring them

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Speaker 1: What are we doing.

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Speaker 2: We're doing it for future planning and fertility preservation? Is

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Speaker 2: that what they say? Is that what it's called? I

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's start off with just a really quick

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Speaker 1: recap what we're doing. We're freezing embryos, that's correct. So

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Speaker 1: that's different to freezing eggs, right, ye, So basically that

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Speaker 1: to be providing spermos, that's correct, And then they'll introduce

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Speaker 1: Like I think when I'm in theater having the procedure,

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Speaker 1: So that's what we're doing in this special. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: Because we are both thirty seven. We both just turned

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Speaker 2: Or the percentage of having a successful pregnancy does decrease naturally.

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Speaker 1: And this is just from our own experience. We're not

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Speaker 2: we are doing this? Absolutely so. I know we said

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Speaker 1: Well, so we both are not ready to be parents yet.

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Speaker 1: We both have very very big career dreams. Boss is

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Speaker 1: I also live half in Los Angeles, and so I

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Speaker 2: Have non conventional lifestyles. Yes, where it is travel, it

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Speaker 1: And yeah, and you and you'll get like both of us,

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Speaker 1: So we're both not ready to have bambinos, yet we're

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Speaker 2: Every single year we would check in.

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Speaker 1: And I said to you when I was in LA recently,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because our careers that might take more than to forty.

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Speaker 2: of being tested.

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00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: Yes, so you literally have tois in a cup and

432
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 1: that needs to be tested within a forty five minute window.

433
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: So you have to actually literally book in almost like

434
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: an appointment. And because we live more than forty five

435
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: minutes away from the location where they were testing at

436
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: the lab, you had to rock up to the lab.

437
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 2: Yep. So yeah, obviously you know where we live, there's

438
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 2: not that many clinics around. So yeah, we're in Byron

439
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: and we had to go to Lismore. Yeah so hospital,

440
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 2: it's a hospital. Yeah. So at the hospital there's two clinics.

441
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: There's one normal one for just your normal bloods, and

442
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: then there is another one for like your more specialty testing.

443
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 2: So I had to go to like Saint Vincent's Lizmore

444
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, and you have to make an

445
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: appointment because there's you know, a girl there that kind

446
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: of takes you through it and explains it all. So

447
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: I rock up to the hospital, my appointment, meet the girl,

448
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: fill out like the you know forms. She gives me

449
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 2: the cup and then she's like, so you're just going

450
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: to have to go down to the disabled toilet and

451
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: collect this sample there. No mag did they give you,

452
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: like a magazine. Nothing. So I'm like okay, So I

453
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: walk down, I go and find this like disabled toilet,

454
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: and first of all, it's not fun.

455
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 1: It's like a public you say, you were getting like

456
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: because you're Catholic, you're getting Catholic.

457
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well that's the thing I was in, like

458
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: a Saint Vincent's hospital. It's pictures of the Pope and

459
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: Jesus everywhere, and I'm not getting these Catholic guilty I'm

460
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: about to go jerk off in a hospital. But yeah,

461
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: I find this, you know, little disabled toilet and I

462
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 2: can hear people outside and whatever. I just just annoying.

463
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 2: And then I was like, all right, get set up,

464
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 2: get ready to do it. And then I'm like, with

465
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: my phone out, maybe get a bit of porn out

466
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: like whatever. No phone reception in the hospital, so there's

467
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 2: no four G, there's like three G. I can kind

468
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 2: of make a fucking phone call.

469
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting panic texts from Matt going. No internet, no pawn,

470
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: no magazine.

471
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 2: Nothing, and I'm just I need just something to like

472
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: get me gone to like get hard fucking in a

473
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: disabled toilet. I've never never jerk off in disabled toilet. Yeah, anyway,

474
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: So I try to get started and I'm like, nah,

475
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: this is fucked, Like I'm starting to get stressed. So

476
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: like I leave the bathroom and I go to like reception,

477
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: and I was like, can I please have the Wi Fi? Yeah,

478
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: So I go get the Wi fi, go back in

479
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 2: or porns blocked. I can't even find any like porn

480
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 2: sites or anything anyway, do a little bit of like

481
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: sleuthing around the internet on Reddit and all that kind

482
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: of shit. Eventually found something, got started and then don't e.

483
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: End up googling on Reddit couple's Gone wild or something.

484
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah I did. Yeah, Reddit's great if I

485
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: So I did that, got started, and then I just

486
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: like jerked off as quickly as possible just to get

487
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 2: it done because I was like, this is fucked. And

488
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 2: then yeah, you give it. You go back into the

489
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: like the testing clinic, Sullivan Nico ladies. Then they do

490
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: like a little interview and then yeah, yeah, yeah, they

491
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: asked you all these bunch of questions like.

492
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: Did you masturbate to get these results?

493
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and it's obviously I did.

494
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, just you guys won't answered that one.

495
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but they were they were very nice

496
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 2: and very polite about the whole thing. And yeah, they

497
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: did the testing straight away, and I did ask if

498
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 2: I was allowed to be there to give you a blowjob. Boss.

499
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: No, let's be honest. You can't get spit mixed up

500
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: with yours.

501
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: You can't have sex or condom or like any tube like, yeah,

502
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 2: you just got to go just a dry fucking hand. Oh, Wow, well,

503
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: well done.

504
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: You'll have to do it again on the day, but

505
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: I think they've got a proper room.

506
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll be so fine. It's just it was

507
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 2: such like a yeah, just and actually I shared something

508
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: it on Instagram and a few women wrote to me going,

509
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 2: oh my god, my husband had to like jerk off

510
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: in like a room in like a KFC or some

511
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 2: shit like that.

512
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: No, oh my goodness.

513
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: So I could have done it at home, but yeah,

514
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: we we live minutes away from from Lismore, so how interesting. Yeah, okay,

515
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: thanks for sharing that, very vulnerable of you. So the

516
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 2: other thing that we didn't know about is that we

517
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: are technically called socially infertile, So that means that we're

518
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: not medically and fertile. If you're medically infertile, you are

519
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: entitled to Medicare rebates. We are socially infertile, which means

520
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: we're choosing to do this for future planning. But our

521
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: fertility is I'm saying this in inverted commas, but like

522
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: within normal ranges, so we cannot claim that we are

523
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: medically infertile. And they ask you that, they're like, have

524
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: you been trying for six months? Have you experienced any miscarriages?

525
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: Have you you know, have you been pregnant before? And

526
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: they actually asked you.

527
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: You had to get really candid, Yeah, because can you

528
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: share that quickly?

529
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? So they asked us both, have we ever tried

530
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: to get pregnant before? And they also asked us, have

531
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: we ever been pregnant before or in previous relationships? And

532
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: you had to say yes, and yeah, I had to

533
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: say yes. And then you.

534
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: Also had to go on to say that that it

535
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: was ter terminated.

536
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: Correct.

537
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's very confronting. You're going to feel very

538
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: vulnerable if you go down this path.

539
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: And then also I've never shared that with anybody.

540
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: Oh do you want it not in the post?

541
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: It's okay.

542
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: I just thought it was such an interesting thing that

543
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: that there's asked.

544
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: You know.

545
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: The other thing I think is like, let's share a

546
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: little bit abou about our test results. So your sperm.

547
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 1: What did they tell you about it?

548
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was all good. Mobility was good, concentration was good.

549
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: So if the mobility isn't good, there is a thing

550
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: they can do in the procedure called IXI I think,

551
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: where they inject the sperm straight into their eg. But

552
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: I don't. He said, we might not be used that

553
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: because yours look super healthy. But I think that sperm

554
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: quality is very variable from what I can gather.

555
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: Super Yeah, so say you've got like a concentration of

556
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 2: like one hundred, you know, fifty percent of that is

557
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: not ideal. So they'll be like I think they call

558
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: it morphology, which is like, you know, the shape of

559
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: the sperm and the tail of the sperm, and sometimes

560
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: they have two heads or two tails or yeah, some

561
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: are slow, some are fast, some are lazy little tadpoles. Yeah, exactly.

562
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: So you've got all these different variables. But yeah, I

563
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: ended up I had like a higher concentration of healthier

564
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 2: ones goodies. Yeah.

565
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: And just to be really transparent, my AMH levels are

566
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: sixteen point five as of three weeks ago, four weeks ago,

567
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: So I think that's pretty standard for the age group.

568
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: But I just think it completely vary on everybody's situation

569
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: as well.

570
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so I just want to check.

571
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: Oh, the other thing I want to say nobody tells

572
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: you is the three month prep So these eggs that

573
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: are that will be getting collected will have been like

574
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: being made in my body. Although we'll be stimulating them

575
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: through the process of the IVF cycle. What I was

576
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: doing three months ago will actually be affecting the health

577
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: of them. So little things that we've done over the

578
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: last especially since I got back from America, we kind

579
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: of went gung host Like. I think I got in

580
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: from America on a Saturday morning and my first neuropathy

581
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: fertility thing was on the Monday morning, and we started

582
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: on the supplements pretty solidly. But in La I knew

583
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: that we were going to go down this path, so

584
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: I was already on like things like fish oil. I

585
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: was already doing subling glenad like. There are a lot

586
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: of things that I was like already playing with just

587
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: off my own nutrition knowledge. But on the Monday of

588
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: getting home, straight off about neutropathy and then we have

589
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: kind of been doing preconception fertility care for both of

590
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: us us for a good two to three months now.

591
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: We've pulled back the drinking. I think in the last

592
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: since I've been back, I think we've drank three times.

593
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: I think I've had a collective of like.

594
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: Three three drinks. Yeah, And I said, and in those moments,

595
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: we've had like one glass of pinot or something. When

596
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: we did get the call to do the okay though

597
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: that I think that night or the next night, I

598
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: had one mud remember you, maybe one beautiful martini.

599
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: I had a glass of wine that night and then

600
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: we but you know, and obviously everyone you know, do

601
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: their own thing and decide what's healthy for you. But

602
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: even the doctor for us, he's like, unless you've been drinking,

603
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: unless you're like a high percentage of you know, having

604
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: a little glass of wine.

605
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: Do you remember the first special as we saw, I

606
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: was like, you know, botox, is that going to affect it?

607
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, make He's like, you would have

608
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: to have a serious overdose.

609
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: To of course get into your blood stream.

610
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: And he's like hair dye, same thing, and he's like,

611
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: if you want to drink, have a drink.

612
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: Like he was actually quite.

613
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: Like he was more moderation focused and keep living your

614
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 1: life kind of thing, because if you too obsessed, like

615
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: and stressed it and cortisol levels and stuff like, then

616
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: you're kind of like.

617
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: I'm happy not to drink. I'm happy to you know do.

618
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: ASTHMS is coming up, there's gonna be plenty of chances

619
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: in the festive season to drink. The last thing I

620
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: was going to say about stuff nobody tells you. Is

621
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: like just a quick recap of the actual cycle that

622
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: we start tomorrow. So basically everybody gets a different kind

623
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: of like set of medications depending on your AMH level.

624
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure your blood work and that internal ultrasound

625
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: I had, I haven't even talked about it. Yeah, space

626
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: is like I'll be honest, it's just like a little

627
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: dildo that goes So you do an external one and

628
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: then they put a little dial doo up loads a lube.

629
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: You're kind of sat a little bit elevated too, so

630
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: it just goes straight in.

631
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: It's like a pillow under the bomb.

632
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like look straight in and no pain.

633
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: It is just and you get to see how many

634
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: follicles you've got naturally. I have heard though, that the

635
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: pre ultrasound versus the ones during the scans on day

636
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: I think ten and twelve or around about or ten

637
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: and no, maybe it's day like seven and ten or

638
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: eleven the folly you think, has they counted? I think

639
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: they counted with sixteen on my right and twelve on

640
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: my left. It can actually decrease for your first when

641
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: you have your scans as well, so it's not me.

642
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: I just want to go in and not be like, yeah, oh,

643
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: why is there are only two or something?

644
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

645
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: So, yeah, so you have to have that, so don't

646
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: sweat about the internal uldstund.

647
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 2: I was really nervous.

648
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: But it's literally like a pretty skinny dial though with

649
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: heaps of loop, so it just slides right on in

650
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: and we had a really gentle, lovely I think they're

651
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: called snographers, and he's been in there, he was like, oh, into.

652
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: Twenty three years. Also, it's quite private, like they're not

653
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: actually digging around.

654
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it only goes in if you think

655
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: about sex, right and a penis goes all the way in,

656
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: imagine it going in only.

657
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: A third of that way.

658
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: Because I was expecting, like I'm going to have this

659
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: thing right up, so.

660
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: You are covered and then you kind of drop your bottoms.

661
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: You drop your bottoms, you are covered up, and you

662
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: put it in. Yeah, and you start to kind of

663
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: like insert the tip of it. Sounds a bit sexual now.

664
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: And then he is holding all the person he's holding

665
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: on to the other end, and you remember.

666
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: When he was like maneuver for it around generals, like

667
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: you can let go now, and I hadn't heard himself.

668
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: I was a bit nervous, and he goes, you can

669
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: let go now, you're so sweet, and I was like,

670
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: oh god, I'm I'm stressing myself out.

671
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was like a skinny penis.

672
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a really skiny, lubed up penis and they

673
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: warm the lube. Oh remember, I was like, especially the

674
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: one on the tummy, I love love. I must say

675
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: that was a real perk because it just you know,

676
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: when something cold hits you, it feels. That's why I'm

677
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: quite nervous about the cycle, because half the medicine is

678
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: kept in the fridge.

679
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: I don't think it's cold. Going into a warm body,

680
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: you'd be fine.

681
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So a cycle is Matt's winding me up

682
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: and saying I'm taking too long.

683
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: Is that what you're doing? No, Yes, we don't need

684
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: to talk about loobed up dildos. People want to know.

685
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: I would want to know. I want to listen to this. Okay.

686
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: So day one is tomorrow.

687
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: So we start with the follicle stimulating hormone hormone drug

688
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: and so that's one injection. It's got to be done

689
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: at the exact same time every day. I think we've

690
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: decided it's going to be eight am, and then I

691
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: think on day six or seven, you introduce another drug

692
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: taken at the same sorry, another hormone taken at the

693
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: same time, and that's to stop you ovulating.

694
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think, do you want to explain the

695
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: follicule stimulating hormone.

696
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: It's also what our brain naturally releases, I think when

697
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: we bleed, because it's getting you ready for the next cycle.

698
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in your ovaries as follicules, and they're all

699
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: at different stages of growth. I'll look at you. Yeah,

700
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: sexaed one I won. Yeah, Oh my god, it's the

701
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 2: second sexad conversation I've had this week. So it stimulates

702
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 2: and your body, you know, releases that hormone into your body,

703
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: stimulates the growth those follicules, and then over kind of

704
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: you know, your life or whatever, and some grow to

705
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: be eggs and then some become reabsorbed into your body.

706
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: So the hormone basically increases your body, converting those follicules

707
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: in your ovaries to eggs. Is that right? Yeah? I'm

708
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: pretty sure.

709
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: Oh cool, I didn't I just knew.

710
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: Where your body only produces one a month. This is

711
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: hyperstimulating that to produce more. Gotcha up there you go.

712
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: And then the second drug it stops you ovulating naturally,

713
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: so it stops natural cycle kicking in. And then the

714
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: and you get scans, I think like towards the end

715
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: of it. So we've already tendatively booked in our scans.

716
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: It will depend on my own biology. The first scan

717
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: is all booked and on the day you get scans.

718
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: So when I say scan, that is the dildo again

719
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: that they'll be having a suss around and it's usually

720
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: your specialist that is doing that.

721
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 2: That morning, I have.

722
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: To get an urgent blood test so that by the

723
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 1: time I'm getting the scan in the afternoon that they've

724
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: got that blood test.

725
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: So it's all it's.

726
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: Like a bit of a project in the like you

727
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: can see that how it can be a huge part

728
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: of your course.

729
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: And during that time when when you are hyper stimulating

730
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: your follicules and stopping your body from ovulating, you are

731
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: producing more eggs in your ovary, so your ovaries are

732
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: actually expanding to accommodate more. What did the nurse say,

733
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: how big are they going to get? They go from

734
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: being a world like a walnut to a small fruit

735
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: or no, she said a grapefruit. No, I don't think

736
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 2: a grapefruit. She said, a grapefruit. Yeah. So, and there

737
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: is the thing that they start to kind of put

738
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: a little bit of pressure on your body and they

739
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: feel kind of I've heard towards the end you do

740
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: feel feel a bit bloated and stuff like that. I

741
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: was really nervous before all this about weight gain and

742
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: just quickly like to take all the nutritional supplements. I've

743
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: naturally had to stop into it and fasting, which is

744
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: something that I've always loved to do because I'm a

745
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: big David Sinclair, so I'm really into intimate and fasting.

746
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: So that's been out the window for the last two

747
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: months straight. And just so I can get in all

748
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: the fertility supplement stuff in the morning and at lunch,

749
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: because some of the stuff is like energy producing, so

750
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: you don't want to be having it at dinner time

751
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: and so and some of it's like a zinc can

752
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 2: you get filter you don't want.

753
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: To feel so you can't do it on empty stomach.

754
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: Correct.

755
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: And the thing with that is I've definitely put a

756
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: little bit of weight on.

757
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: Nothing bad. I just feel like.

758
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm healthy, but probably more fertile. But like my boos

759
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: are massive already having injections.

760
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: What do you reckon? They are like ease, I don't

761
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: know us. Come on your day. Never measured them?

762
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: You measured with ther eyes every day you did.

763
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they're quite double d's probably.

764
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I feel much more fertile because of all

765
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: the supplements and everything.

766
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: And when you do do the scans, you do see

767
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: the follocules at different stages of growth, Like they're all

768
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: different kinds of sizes. They just look like black dots

769
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: in your ovaries. But some are small and.

770
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: Some are big, and some are like peas, some other

771
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: be a different.

772
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: Life cycle of each follocule.

773
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: Oh look at you, doctor, so far I love it. Okay, quickly,

774
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: Oh it is, isn't it?

775
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: Quickly?

776
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: Just a note on finding the right doctor. I think

777
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: we were a little bit and I even were like, okay,

778
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: we've had so much about this one, We're going to

779
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: this one. And we got in there and it was look,

780
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: it was a really uncomfortable experience. Remember I was heightened anyway,

781
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: because I was anxious about the whole thing. So I

782
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: felt very sensitive and I think I needed to feel

783
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: heard and seen, and I didn't get that feeling from

784
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: the first experience, and that in that consult the doctor

785
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: had somebody else else's AMH results and when I said,

786
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: you know, I'd love to explore like us getting embryos

787
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: and eggs, he slid somebody else's AMH results in front

788
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: of us and pointed to them, was like, you will

789
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: not be able to do that.

790
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: This level is seven point one. Do you remember.

791
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: And I remember seeing a different person's name on the

792
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: blood test and I said, listen, these aren't This is

793
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: not my AMH result, and he said, yes, seven point one.

794
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, this is not my blood work.

795
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: And so, meeting a virgo, I had a hard copy

796
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: of everything on me and so I handed over our

797
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: AMH results and goes, oh, yeah, I think you'd be

798
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: able to that said, we've decided to go fully with

799
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: embryos for this because we've just been told for what

800
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: our goals are.

801
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: There.

802
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: They're sturdy with the freezing and whatnot, so that when

803
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: we are ready to utilize them, the chances of us

804
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: getting pregnant are a little bit just they're a bit

805
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: more stable, Is that right?

806
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I just think robust. I think they're

807
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: more robust when you freeze and unfree and thaw them.

808
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: And I think there's as a higher success rate with embryos. Totally.

809
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, from from what our so our specialist has

810
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: told us all of that. So, but just so you know,

811
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: the first specialist wasn't right fit for us. They were,

812
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: they're an amazing specialist, but it just wasn't our fit.

813
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: I needed to feel really held that was something that's

814
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: important for me, So my VP wrote us a referral

815
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: for another specialist. Also, make sure you get a referral

816
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: from your GP. If not that first one we didn't

817
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: have a referral for the pay full price for twenty

818
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: minutes cost three hundred and forty dollars. This one we

819
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: had a referral for. So you get you do get

820
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: a Medicare rebate on the initial consoles or you can

821
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: get them.

822
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: This.

823
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to say is what happens

824
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: as well in our case, Like in both cases, the

825
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: doctors partner with a fertility clinic, right, and that's kind

826
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: of where they practice or do the collection out of,

827
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: and so then you kind of get you're working with

828
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: your doctor, but you also get handed over to the

829
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: nurses within that clinic, and don't ever be afraid is

830
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: to kind of like call out your gut, like say

831
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: what your gut's saying, because in our case, because we

832
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: are paying a lot of money. I'll touch on the

833
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: cost next. I didn't want to have Remember a nurse

834
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: said something to me. So she goes, Hi, what are

835
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: your goals kind of thing, and I said, we're thirty seven,

836
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: this is future planning. We kind of want to have

837
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: a kid. We're thinking early to mid forties. And she goes, oh,

838
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: that's a really bad plan. You're already geryatric and I

839
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: was just like, I held my shit together, but it

840
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: really upset me. And I didn't realize how much it

841
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: upset me until I actually called it out to a

842
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: different nurse and said, can I have somebody else looking

843
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: after me?

844
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: And I burst into tears to know you got to

845
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 2: find your team.

846
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that's what I was going to say,

847
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: like again, super qualified, amazing fertility nurse. But I just

848
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to feel judged throughout this already vulnerable process.

849
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: Let's talk costs really quickly as well.

850
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: So it's so expensive, so expensive, and so I think

851
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 2: we did talk about it at the very start about

852
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: being you know, socially infertile or having problems, and there

853
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: is two differ diferent systems. There is your public system

854
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: and there's your private is there. Yeah? Remember they had

855
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: like the Medicare funded what. Yeah, there's like the no

856
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: frills version. Remember he was telling us for bulk billing,

857
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: for bulk billing.

858
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even if we went through the private we'd still

859
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: get many care rebates.

860
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, but when you don't have any fertility problems,

861
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: you are charged privately full price.

862
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: From the fertility clinic as well. So we thought, okay,

863
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: let's just go ahead around this, and we thought it'd

864
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: be like six to eight grand. It's working out to

865
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: be about fifteen thousand dollars for us, and I.

866
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: Actually think that's why I had a breakdown. Yeah, because I.

867
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: Just went into it expecting it to be yeah, six

868
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: maybe eight grand, it'll kind of like bounce back from

869
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: but fifteen just feels like so much and not knowing

870
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: what the outcome is, Like we might get one embryo,

871
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: we might your swimmers might not even get to that.

872
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: We don't even know what's going to happen, and so

873
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of fear for the whole lot of unknowns.

874
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: There's things that we just can't control because there is

875
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: an element of natural selection within the whole process. Like

876
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: they do try to they do select, you know, the

877
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: best eggs that they collect and the best sperm. They

878
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: kind of separate the sperm out and stuff like that,

879
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: but it is really just up to nature as well.

880
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: What survives after five days.

881
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: Yes, so you follow them for five get updates from

882
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: the scientists I think who call you every year from

883
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: day three they'll call you, but the drop off is

884
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: half from what.

885
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: They've followed us. And for perspective as well. You know,

886
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: Medicare funded medication costs around one hundred and twenty dollars.

887
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I paid the midt. So I got a

888
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: call from the pharmacist the date of the pharmacy the

889
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: day before the training, and they go, hey, we're just

890
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: calling for you to pay for your medication. I said, yep,

891
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: no worry. She goes, that'll be one hundred and twenty

892
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: seven dollars and I was like, great, paid for it.

893
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: I get a call three minutes later and they're like, actually,

894
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: you're not eligible for Medicare rebate, So that's going to

895
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: be one eight hundred and twenty seven dollars and I

896
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: just I paid it, and I just burst into tears

897
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: because I was like, we'd already just got our head

898
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: around that it was probably going to be about twelve thirteen.

899
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 2: Thousand, and that was an extra two grand.

900
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's when we're.

901
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: Like, oh, wow, wow, wow, wow wow.

902
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: And you have to pay for everything, like the whole upfront,

903
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: so you don't get because I was like, can we

904
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: go on a payment plan? And they're like nah, So

905
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: like we've just like scrounched together all our savings and

906
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: it's it's very confronting and scary from that front. I

907
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: have also done a little bit of a Google of

908
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: the US prices, so just for because I live half

909
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: in America, I was just interested to know how it

910
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: would works. So in America, roughly it's around sixteen k

911
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: US to freeze eggs, so that's about twenty five k ozsi.

912
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: The meds in America costs between three and six k US.

913
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: That could be up to ten grand Ozzie, and then

914
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: you pay rent also to keep the eggs or embryos

915
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: on ice. And in America, it's six hundred year parents,

916
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: it's nearly a thousand bucks Ozzy. Here, we're paying thirty

917
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: five dollars a month, so it's a lot cheaper I

918
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: think to do it in Australia, but it's a lot. Yeah,

919
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: it's a big, big, big experience. Okay, So just really

920
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: quickly on the injection training. So that's kind of like

921
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: the first thing that you do before your cycle begins.

922
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: Boss and I went into the clinics. This is all

923
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: done with the nurses. They sit down with you. You

924
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: can literally take notes, ask questions. No question is off limits,

925
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: and they literally have like a it's kind of like

926
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: a silicon patch of skin colored fakes tummy would you

927
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: say think so? And you practice injecting and they give

928
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: you like the needle bit to put on yourself and

929
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: new practice because two of our injections are pen based,

930
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: so you've got to wind them.

931
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: And you put a fresh tip on every day.

932
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: Yes you do, and then we've got a sharp's kitch

933
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: and so you go through all of that. Also videos

934
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: and I'm going to review today in the lead up

935
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: to tomorrow's first injection, which I'm going to wake you

936
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: up early to do with me.

937
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Okay.

938
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: So the other thing I want to say, just really

939
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: about that experience was like the nurse was so kind.

940
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: There was a snack's fridge. Do you remember when we

941
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: walked into the room.

942
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was. I think it's also bit apple juice.

943
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: Water, bit OJ's, there were Arnot's, Bicky's. I saw there was.

944
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: I think that's the stuff they give you in recovery

945
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: as well. I think they have snacks waiting for you.

946
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: I'm and this is a really weird thing that I'm

947
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: nervous for, but so for the procedure, I'm awake. So

948
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: I think when I rock up, they're going to give

949
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: me a vallium. I think you'll be with me for

950
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: that bit, and then they're going to start what they

951
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: said when the first wave of valium kicks in, which

952
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: takes about half an hour.

953
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: I think it starts in about fifteen minutes. Does it

954
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 2: pretty quick? Yeah.

955
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: They'll get you to start sucking on a green whistle,

956
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: which is like if you watch footy or or any sport,

957
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: when someone dislocates their shoulder, breaks the bone, the green

958
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: whistle's given to them on the spot. So that lasts.

959
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: That's a pain relief and that lasts for twenty six breaths.

960
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: And then what's going to happen is I'm going to

961
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: have local injected into my vagina into each side, two jabs.

962
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: So that's probably just said la, did she? And then she?

963
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: Then they go internal? Yeah, oh there you go. I

964
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: love you. Take them.

965
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: Took them on the arm because when I'm anxious, I find.

966
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: I think I don't pay attention. Oh you're amazing and

967
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: retain weird information. So a little bit on the outside

968
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: and then they put the little pipe inside and then

969
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: they start to give you some local inside inside, so

970
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: you get outside and inside correct. Oh how cool.

971
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: So I'm a bit nervous, but I've heard the recovery

972
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: is so great from not going under general, but I

973
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: just think it's got to do with a specialist and

974
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: it would have cost us an extra two grand if

975
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: we went under. Okay, so that's the injection training. We're

976
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: all set. We start tomorrow. We've got to go onto

977
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: our portal. They give you loads and loads of information

978
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: to watch and understand. But I would say if you

979
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: can have real life training, I would recommend that because

980
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: you get to feel it, touch the injections, understand it all.

981
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: Ask a million and one questions, Like even yesterday the

982
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: nurse called and I was like, Matt's told me this

983
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: is a thousand times. Are you sure this drug stays

984
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: out of the fridge? And she was like absolutely, just

985
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: put in your cup.

986
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: So there is two that go in the fridge and

987
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: then there's one that stays out of the fridge.

988
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: In our scenario, I think other people have could be different. Yeah, yeah, okay,

989
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: So we're going to end this with just four questions

990
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: that have come through on Instagram, or end each episode

991
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: answering a few of you the listeners questions, just so

992
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: that you really feel like that you're getting something from this.

993
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: So we're just going to answer yeah at the end

994
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: of each episode. So number one, when would your ideal

995
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: age be to have a bambino to me?

996
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: First? Yeah, like early forties, Like what forty two, forty three?

997
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

998
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: Nice?

999
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: And I think the percentage at forty three to four

1000
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: pregnants like two percent. It's really low or like it's

1001
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: super low. Nowally we're talking.

1002
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: That's if I got to forty two and I was like, yeah,

1003
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: fuck it, let's do it.

1004
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yeah, well I think it's so. I

1005
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: think it's going to depend on where we're at financially,

1006
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: in career wise, obviously living a bit in America as well,

1007
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: and my plan is to like obviously spend a lot

1008
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: of time there too.

1009
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: So I just one other thing. I don't see a

1010
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 2: lot of people talk about, you know, being old parents

1011
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I actually see no problem with it.

1012
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: I see no downsides to it. People are like, oh,

1013
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: you don't have the energy, and it's like, you know what,

1014
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: I will know myself so well at forty, have so

1015
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 2: much life experience, have so much like compassion and love,

1016
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: and yeah, I actually feel like I could do it then.

1017
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: But what even now or in my thirties, I'm a

1018
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: rat bag? No way, yeah, no way, Yeah, still partying

1019
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: four years ago, like hardcore.

1020
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: Well okay, so for me, Yeah, the answer to that

1021
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: question is it will really depend on where we are

1022
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: tracking with our dreams, you know what I mean, Like,

1023
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: I really want to write and act and voice act,

1024
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: and I just think like, let's give us ourselves the

1025
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: best possible chance. For that second question, here we go.

1026
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: Will you be trying naturally when you're ready to use

1027
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: the frozen embryos?

1028
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 2: As backup, don't. It will depend on age.

1029
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if we were forty, maybe I'd still one

1030
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: go through all the testing so I'd get my AMH

1031
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: tested again, I'd get an ultrasound tested again, and I'd

1032
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: probably be working with our specialist just to be like,

1033
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: do you think we go down the natural path first?

1034
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: I think it's possible, but we'll cross that bridge when

1035
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: we get there. I'm not opposed to either.

1036
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: And I Matt and I am really passionate about like

1037
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: if we don't use our embryos or we don't use

1038
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: some of them. I think we'll use some of them,

1039
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: but if we don't, we'd like to donate them to

1040
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: like queer groups and people that really need them. Because Wow,

1041
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: they're quite passionate about that. Okay, the next question, why

1042
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: do you want to have kids so late?

1043
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: So you kind of just touch that. Yeah, I look

1044
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: definitely at this point in life, I'm not ready to children.

1045
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to have children, and I don't think

1046
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: we're kind of set up to have children at the moment.

1047
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: I also think like and I think also because of

1048
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: like they living in LA thing like early early mid

1049
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: forties is when a lot of career women are having kids,

1050
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: and it's when you come here and we live in

1051
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: like a regional town in Australia, people have kids a

1052
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: bit younger, and I just think it really depends on

1053
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: your goals in life. Like and I don't think there's

1054
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: anything wrong with having kids later in life.

1055
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: I just don't, No, absolutely not. And I think unfortunately,

1056
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: I think women probably do get a bad you know

1057
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 2: rap or they have this pressure on themselves to oh,

1058
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: I need to be thirty and you know have children

1059
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: in that kind of age bracket, and it's you know,

1060
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: they'll be told that they're selfish but for having a

1061
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: career and not wanting children or wanting children later in

1062
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: their forties and feeling that pressure from society. So I

1063
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: definitely think women, you know, the choice is yours, Like

1064
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: you don't need to do it. It's your body. If

1065
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: you want to have a career, it doesn't make you

1066
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 2: a bad person, It doesn't make you a selfish person.

1067
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: Means you just want to live a little bit of

1068
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: your life and then do that. Also, I don't want

1069
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: to struggle financially when we have a kid, yeah, you know,

1070
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 2: and I know, like, yeah, it's it is a big

1071
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 2: financial burden. So let's just be a bit more financially

1072
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: stable and then have a kid and fucking be great.

1073
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to be one of those angry dads

1074
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: like yelling at their kids in a supermarket. Yeah, no, you.

1075
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: Won't be, and you won't be. Have you ever thought,

1076
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: boy or girl what I've always looked?

1077
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 2: Girl?

1078
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always thought you would be a girl's dad.

1079
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: That's because you've grown up with four older sisters. Yeah,

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00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: and you've got female three. Sorry still because the fourth sister.

1081
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: Are you worried about the this is the next question,

1082
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: by the way, are you worried about the other health

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00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: risks they warn about.

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00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: With so?

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00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: I think there's a I think that this is the

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00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: question is like, so, when you have kids naturally in

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00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: your forties, there are a lot of health risks for

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00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: the mother and for the child. We talked about it earlier,

1089
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: like genetic stuff, and I think you get to test

1090
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: all of that at fifteen weeks, but also for the mother,

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00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: I think there are some health risks too, as far

1092
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: as like, oh, I don't know that blood pressure. I

1093
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: think gestational diabetes is just an any time that you

1094
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: do because I know my mum had it. My nan

1095
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: had it, so I'd be at risk for that. And

1096
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: my glucose levels are a funky.

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00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 2: And whatever the Kardashian things that they always have, I

1098
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: don't know what they had when they had kids. What

1099
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 2: I don't know what like was it called preclampsy?

1100
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: What's Yeah, But I don't know if that's age related,

1101
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: not all age related. But I think this person here

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00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: thinks that the risks are still high in your mid

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00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: forties if you're using young embryos, and what and what

1104
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: we're doing this for is to prevent some of those

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00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: health risks. So I'm pretty sure that if the embryo

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00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: is yeah, some of some of those health risks absolutely

1107
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: are lowered. So I think by our choice, I think

1108
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: this is the last question for today.

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00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: But I think statistically, the doctor said, is a higher

1110
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 2: chance of successful pregnancy in your forties with embryos than naturally.

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00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: Younger embryos younger or a younger donor.

1112
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 2: Egg, younger donor egg? Correct?

1113
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, last question. This is not a lovely question.

1114
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: It's not a super nice one. This society seems to

1115
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: put adult rights above children's. At the end of the day,

1116
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: it's better for a child if you're a younger parent,

1117
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: this was not a nice question to receive. I disagree.

1118
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: I think it totally depends on where you're at in

1119
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: your life mentally. There are amazing young parents out there, phenomenal,

1120
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: but like, actually, my GP sent me an article and

1121
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: was like, listen, like, there are actually some great studies

1122
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: done on kids with older parents and having a higher IQ,

1123
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: having a high EQ, so your emotional intelligence as well.

1124
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: Like I just think, yes, there are probably so many

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00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: great things to being a young parent, but I think

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00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: there'd also be some real positives to being an older

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00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: parent as well.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, I think can I say that again, I think

1129
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: it's actually a stupid question if you really think about it,

1130
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 2: because we don't have kids, so we're not putting adult

1131
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: rights above the rights of a child because we don't

1132
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: have a fucking child. If we had a child, that

1133
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: child would be put before anything. So it's a bit

1134
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: of a dumb thing to say. But I think it

1135
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 2: is absolutely the right of every fucking human and especially women.

1136
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 2: It is their body that they go through and obviously

1137
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: it's a conversation between partners for when they want to

1138
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: do it. So no, I don't think that society puts

1139
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 2: adult rights above human child rights. I think we value

1140
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: both equally. But I think it's definitely our own choice

1141
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: before we have children to decide what we want to

1142
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: do and when we want to do it.

1143
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: And when we actually feel like we can be the

1144
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: best parents of course.

1145
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think in general it's a dumb question

1146
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: if we had if we had a child, like, yeah,

1147
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: if we put ourselves before that child, yeah, you can

1148
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: call ourselves selfish, but until we have a child, you

1149
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 2: can't even say anything like that.

1150
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: I also think, like for we are getting a lot

1151
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: of like stuff on Instagram, and I think that's why

1152
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: I did have a little bit of it.

1153
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: Mental. It is triggering for people, so some people fertility

1154
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: problems or gone through this unsuccessfully or you know, regret

1155
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: not doing it. So you know, we are kind of

1156
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: getting some feedback from all angles, but we're totally happy

1157
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: to have open conversations about all of it.

1158
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: So that's the theme of this. Let's just be open,

1159
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: let's be vulnerable with you the listener, so that you

1160
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: feel like you can learn from this. And in the

1161
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: next episode we're going to be talking. We can actually

1162
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: be recording mid injection cycle and we're going to talk

1163
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: about the support network that we've got around us, from

1164
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: acupuncture to natural path to therapy to one another to friends. Like,

1165
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 1: you've got to be really specific about who I think

1166
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: you let in when you're going through this. So I'm

1167
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: going to share all of that in the next step.

1168
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: Are you going to come join me on the next step?

1169
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: Whatever you want? Boss, Well, you've done great today. You've

1170
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: done great today, And maybe like this pod and EPP,

1171
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: might you know, spark a conversation between between couples totally

1172
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: to talk about it, put it out there, just see

1173
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: how you both feel about it. Maybe it's right, maybe

1174
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: it's not. It doesn't matter, but talk about it, don't

1175
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: be well.

1176
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: The reason why we're doing it is like I wanted

1177
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: to learn as much as we could before we went

1178
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: through it, and I just thought, oh, if we can

1179
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: do this to help other people in a similar situation

1180
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: to us, because really, yes, we're thirty seven and doing this,

1181
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: we could probably do it that we could have done

1182
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,959
Speaker 1: at thirty eight or thirty nine. So like I want

1183
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: people to hear and you can do it earlier to

1184
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: like in America, they say it's in America. It's like

1185
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: it's a RaSE to thirty five, like you want to

1186
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: get it done. Say Halsey did it at twenty three. Yeah, yeah,

1187
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: Halsey died it at twenty three. Chloe Kardashians talked really

1188
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: openly about it. But I think all the Kardashians have frozen,

1189
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: definitely frozen eggs, and I think embryos. Chrissy Tagan talks

1190
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: about it a lot. I think maybe all of her children,

1191
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: maybe with John Legender IVF. I actually think a lot

1192
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: of people. There'd be more people than we realized. And

1193
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: that's one thing I've learned. A lot of people are

1194
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: reaching out and just I would say, like keep your

1195
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: network solid and close and you'll have honest and I've

1196
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: some incredible people have reached out via Instagram. So I've

1197
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: got to remember, even for the negative like meaner stuff,

1198
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: there are so many wonderful people.

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Speaker 2: So good job, Boss, great episode, Thanks Sexy.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, Day one, Tomorrow, Day.

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Speaker 2: One, scared, good luck, scared, proud of you, love you,

1202
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 2: love you, goodbye.

1203
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: Oh that's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.

1204
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: As always, thank you to our.

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Speaker 1: Guests, and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. I'm at

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