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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me.

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Speaker 2: Lola Berry, author, nutritionist, and yoga teacher join me as

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Speaker 2: we get to know these guests and learn about how

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Speaker 2: their failures have ultimately shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly

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Speaker 2: Failing with Lolaberry Holy mackerel on the pod today we

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Speaker 2: have em Isaacs.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, once we start this podcast, which I think we're

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Speaker 2: getting to the two year mark now, when from the

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Speaker 2: day dot of launching the pod, one of the dream

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Speaker 2: guests was Emma Isaacs and it's taken me a long

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Speaker 2: time to get her on the pod. And I couldn't

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Speaker 2: be more wrapped. Absolute legend, absolute good egg. And can

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Speaker 2: I just say, as soon as we stopped recording, the

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Speaker 2: first thing that Emma said to me was what can

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Speaker 2: I do to help you? And I just that's not

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Speaker 2: the first time Emma.

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Speaker 1: Said that to me either.

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Speaker 2: She is just a very very cool, generous, kind and

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Speaker 2: giving human being.

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Speaker 1: And her new book is Unreal.

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Speaker 2: And we chatted about her first book, Winging It, which

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Speaker 2: came out about three years ago, but it's already in

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Speaker 2: it's like eleventh print run, which is insanely amazing. It's

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Speaker 2: also had an American release. But the brand spanky new book,

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Speaker 2: The New Hustle. I've been dreaded in two days.

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Speaker 1: It's unreal. It's got seventy seven rules.

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Speaker 2: In it, really easy to digest stuff. We talk about

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Speaker 2: the powers saying no, We talk about it feels like

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Speaker 2: there's business hacks but life hacks as well, and we

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Speaker 2: talk about some of Emma's favorite rules, some of my

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Speaker 2: favorite rules in the book.

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Speaker 1: So I really hope you enjoyed this chat. This was

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Speaker 1: a total.

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Speaker 2: Honor to have you on the pod, Emma, and to

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Speaker 2: anyone listening, check out the show notes because there is

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Speaker 2: a direct link to getting your hands on this brand

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Speaker 2: new book. It is unreal and Emma Isaacs, you are unreal,

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Speaker 2: my friend, Emma Isaacs, how long have we been trying

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Speaker 2: to make this pod happen for?

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Speaker 3: Don't start with that. A long time, A long time.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like the timing is very fortuitous because

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Speaker 2: you have just birthed a brand new book arouns The

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Speaker 2: New Hustle. So when this podcast comes out, it will

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Speaker 2: have been out for about two weeks or so in Australia.

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Speaker 2: I really want to dive into The New Hustle. Let's

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Speaker 2: just hit pop that on pause one sect though, because

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Speaker 2: you have been such a dream to research. Oh mate,

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Speaker 2: I was like making notes every podcast. I'm like, the

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Speaker 2: truth is terrifying. Everything fantastic is hard. Like literally I

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Speaker 2: felt the stickers. You're a walking, talking bumper stick of

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Speaker 2: my friend.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Can we go back though, to eighteen year old because

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Speaker 2: I did not know? But that's when you owned your

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Speaker 3: Isn't it. Yeah. Yeah, So the kind of long and

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Speaker 3: short of it is that I've really not worked for

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Speaker 3: It was just one of these things that I fell

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Speaker 1: Well, mate, it's working for you.

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Speaker 2: Can I just can you take me through the moment

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Speaker 2: where you discovered Business Chicks And I think initially you're.

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Speaker 3: So six months later I had bought the business and

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Speaker 3: love that though, I know I was so cute.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what else I love from what I've

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Speaker 2: I'm a vigo, so I'm quite over to do with

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Speaker 2: And I think that there's a really generous, really generous quality,

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Speaker 3: So it didn't even occur to me that that would

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Speaker 2: I think that's a testament to you, as someone that's

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Speaker 2: I think that's all a testament to this, Like, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, you and I are similar in

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Speaker 3: I've always been someone to subscribe to the idea that

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Speaker 3: And so that's been my experience with business chicks, you know,

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Speaker 3: we I've been able to attract really beautiful people to

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I in celebrating you, I'm like, this is

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Speaker 2: And every single time, like you and I've tried to

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Speaker 1: We've cross paths. It's so many different parts.

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Speaker 2: And to this day KK or Kate Kendle, well she'll

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Speaker 2: That's like you really have fostered, like it's something. So

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Speaker 2: it feels like very very deep what you're fostering within people.

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Speaker 2: And yes, it's all about like chasing, chasing what is

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Speaker 2: which is really really cool. Yeah, but yeah, it just

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Speaker 3: And I believe that you offer that to people. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't think we knew that when we started out.

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Speaker 2: I have written down a few of my favorite rules. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Been read this law.

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Speaker 2: And because of the way it's designed, with these rules,

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Speaker 1: in the pase? Okay? Oh, there are so many that

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Speaker 2: To earn your power, you must first relax and then

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Speaker 2: just under that, you say, the most powerful person in

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I believe the two can coexist

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Speaker 3: throughout my whole career is very much being in the

435
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Speaker 3: moment and being present not only with the task that's

436
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Speaker 3: in front of me, but with the people that i

437
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 3: have around me. Right. So, I think most everything is

438
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 3: better when you are living here and now, right, So,

439
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 3: and doing the work that we do. I'm in a

440
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Speaker 3: large part of our business and business Chicks is these

441
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Speaker 3: large scale events, Right So we can do a summon

442
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Speaker 3: and have four or five thousand people there that day.

443
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Speaker 3: And so when you walk into that kind of space

444
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Speaker 3: and you know, people are whether they know it or not,

445
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 3: they're sort of subconsciously taking in the vibe or the

446
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 3: energy of the room. Right. So I see it as

447
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 3: my responsibility to set the tone for I'm going to

448
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 3: make this day the best possible day, and I'm going

449
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 3: to be super calm and present and try and give

450
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 3: as much as I can in this moment, right, So

451
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 3: it's been something that I've really worked out the whole time.

452
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 3: And then that rule was really inspired by we toured

453
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Speaker 3: the Beautiful li Girl, but just before the pandemic did

454
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Speaker 3: you come to see her?

455
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: I didn't, but I was reading this part of the book.

456
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 3: I was like, nah, yeah, she's phenomenal. So she talked

457
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 3: about this, and you know, I got to have dinner

458
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 3: with Liz and I've subsequently, you know, we keep in touch,

459
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 3: and she's beautiful and she lives and breathes this rule. Right.

460
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 3: She's just so calm. She walks into every single room

461
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Speaker 3: like she owns it, but not from an arrogant point

462
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: of view. She's just really self assured. She knows who

463
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 3: she is. But she's super chill and super calm. And

464
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: it's true, Like, you know, I look at the people

465
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Speaker 3: that I admire and look at the people that I've

466
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: worked alongside that have been you know, like they vibe

467
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 3: really really high and they're quite anxious, and they're like,

468
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,959
Speaker 3: you know, it makes you feel anxious, and it makes

469
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Speaker 3: still feel like something's wrong and that there's going to

470
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Speaker 3: be a mistake made, there's going to like there's going

471
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Speaker 3: to be a drama or like some sort of disaster's

472
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,199
Speaker 3: going to happen, you know, So I always try and

473
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Speaker 3: believe that, you know, life is rigged in my favor

474
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Speaker 3: and it's all going to be good and somehow you

475
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 3: know it's all going to work out, and if it doesn't,

476
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 3: that's cool as well. But I think this idea about

477
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 3: calmness being powerful is a really really really beautiful one

478
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 3: for us to get our little heads around, and you

479
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 3: can practice that, you.

480
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Speaker 1: Can really I'm training.

481
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this. I'm training in

482
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: acting school while I'm hearing, and I love it. But

483
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 2: the technique that we use, the final step of the

484
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 2: technique is like, so you do all this work, but

485
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: then you've got to let it go in the moment.

486
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Speaker 2: That's my teacher says, like Laura's step twelve the hardest

487
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Speaker 2: for you. You hold on to the work like you

488
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Speaker 2: do all the work, and you're like, see you, I've

489
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Speaker 2: done it. I've done it.

490
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Speaker 3: She's like, put it in a blow it away, chill out.

491
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Speaker 1: It will sit in your body. The work sits with you.

492
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Speaker 2: You know, you don't need to prove it to us

493
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Speaker 2: and That's why I think when I read that rule,

494
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Speaker 2: I was like, ah, like and I think as well,

495
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Speaker 2: like when you talk about like owning a room, just

496
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: then it almost comes from a sense of like clear presence.

497
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Speaker 2: I think when you meet someone that's just like really

498
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Speaker 2: in the moment, really clear, and with that comes a

499
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Speaker 2: calmness and a sense of being relaxed.

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Speaker 1: You kind of want to be more around that because

501
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Speaker 1: it is good.

502
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we talk about that in the book

503
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 3: as well, Like this whole idea of how do you

504
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 3: increase your likability and charisma is a huge part of that, right,

505
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: And I tell a few stories of people I've met,

506
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 3: and you know, Kate Hudson was one of those. You know,

507
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: we toured her around Australia and she was like that.

508
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Speaker 3: The first time I met her, she walked into the room,

509
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 3: locked eye contact, asked a million questions, was super calm,

510
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 3: was super funny. You know that there's no airs and

511
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 3: graces and that that's powerful. Right. She was calm, she

512
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Speaker 3: was present, she was charismatic, and there's like there's so

513
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 3: much magic in that. If you can try and emulate

514
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 3: some of those things, it's magic for your relations She's

515
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 3: but also for yourself, like it's just a it's a

516
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 3: beautiful way to live, not trying to control every situation

517
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: and stress about everything and just be here and now totally.

518
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Speaker 2: And I think you enjoy the moment more because it's

519
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: so much more present and you feel good, Like I

520
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: think we naturally feel really good in that energy. The

521
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 2: amount of times I've done even podcasts and I've been

522
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Speaker 2: like sweating and worrying, like oh my god, oh my god,

523
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, does chill out in the moment? I

524
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Speaker 2: chill out like the guests can read and fit and yeah,

525
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Speaker 2: I totally totally.

526
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Speaker 1: Hear what you're saying is probably yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that was my favorite rule because I know

528
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Speaker 2: that's the one I probably need personally the most. I

529
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Speaker 2: love this one because I think anyone can relate to

530
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Speaker 2: this number sixty six compete with you, and I think

531
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Speaker 2: like in the age of social media and seeing other

532
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: people's successes posted on their highlight reel, it's and for

533
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: me as well, like I'll get sometimes booked for a gig,

534
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: but then another influencer will get booked for that gig

535
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: over me, or are we trying really hard to get

536
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Speaker 2: an acting agent? And I'll see someone else will get

537
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Speaker 2: an acting agent and be going on. I'm like, I

538
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 2: could do that, and so it's really hard to not

539
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: compare yourself to other people.

540
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Speaker 1: And yeah, you've got a whole rule about this.

541
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love this one. And I think it's

542
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 3: something that I learned pretty early on in my career

543
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Speaker 3: that if you are going to distract yourself and fill

544
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 3: your time with worrying about the periphery, right and worrying

545
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 3: about what everyone else is up to, then you're gonna

546
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: take away a huge opportunity of working on yourself or

547
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: working on whatever it is that you want to achieve. Right.

548
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Speaker 3: So I call it, you know, comparing and despairing, because

549
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: you can, you can get lost in such a rabbit

550
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: hole of worry and anxiety and despair and it's just

551
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: it's crazy for me, Like it's just a really I get,

552
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 3: it's a natural human thing that we do. It an't easy.

553
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: The way I do it is to completely just block

554
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: everything out, so I don't go on social media like

555
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: I'm pretty like you can see I sometimes went personal

556
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Speaker 3: Instagram for.

557
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Speaker 1: Like three or four text more than m.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just not a I like that though. Yeah,

559
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Speaker 3: I mean I think comes back to this, babe, like,

560
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: I don't feel the need to prove myself to anyone

561
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: apart from myself. I just I mean, I feel a

562
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: responsibility to my family. I feel a responsibility to be

563
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 3: a role model to my kids, particularly I have four girls,

564
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: So I feel that deeply. But I don't really get

565
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: validation if you think I'm a mate, like great, thanks, loul,

566
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: like it's awesome, but I don't seek it, and I

567
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: don't it doesn't it doesn't have a whole meaning for me.

568
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: So I think if you have a really clear vision

569
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: for your life, and if you have a really clear

570
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 3: sense of who you are as a person, then you know,

571
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff tends to drop away and kind

572
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: of fade. But I get it, Like, don't get me wrong,

573
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 3: Like I am a highly competitive person as well, but

574
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Speaker 3: instead of looking at other people and thinking I want

575
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Speaker 3: to be better than them, I'm just like, be better

576
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 3: than the person you were yesterday. Seriously, Like, Okay, you

577
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 3: saw this many books like beat that today you know,

578
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 3: like I that's so it's a very internal kind of

579
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: game I play, and it's it's kind of freeing when

580
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: you do that. You know, I'm not worried about other people.

581
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the book as well, you say like, if

582
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: you're looking to the side, you can't be looking forward.

583
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 2: And I really like that because it's just kind of

584
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: stopping you, like honoring your own.

585
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Speaker 1: Where you want to go, you know.

586
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Another fave, it's like, oh, you're a cute I no, no,

587
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: but I may. I just I've got like highlighted notes,

588
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: different colored pens going on here.

589
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: But number eleven.

590
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Speaker 2: And I love this because actually I'm not going to

591
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: toot my own horn here, but I'm really.

592
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: Good at hard decisions fast.

593
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: So number eleven is make hard decisions faster, and it

594
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: is like a superpower.

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Speaker 1: Can you share it? Because I read this, I was like.

596
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: Yes, do this one. Are you going to tell me

597
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: your interpretation of this? I mean it's like, look, ultimately

598
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 3: the thing is this, I think when it comes to

599
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: decision making, we you know, this is like similar things.

600
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: But we just spoke about Then we run around and

601
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: we ask everyone for advice and we sort of caged

602
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: the room on what should we do and what do

603
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: you think? And you kind of left with like one

604
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: hundred opinions of other people, And that can be in

605
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 3: itself really distracting and take you away from your own

606
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: intuition and sitting with what might be uncomfortable or what

607
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 3: might feel right, or what might appear if you were

608
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: to be still and just kind of go within. So,

609
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: you know, I give a couple of tips, you know,

610
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: off the back of that rule into how I go

611
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 3: about my decision making. And you know, one of the

612
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 3: things is to try if you struggle with making decisions,

613
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: and if you're someone who is notoriously in your head

614
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: and you overthink and you overplay every possible scenario, you know,

615
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: you start practicing with little things like you might go

616
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 3: to a restaurant and say, okay, I'm going to give

617
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: myself three minutes to decide what I'm going to eat

618
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 3: tonight or I'm going to go to Netflix, and instead

619
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: of being the next thirty minutes scrolling through all that one,

620
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: I know that one is hard to give yourself like

621
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 3: five minutes. Yeah, So it is that thing of just practicing.

622
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: And I don't know what did you get from that rule?

623
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: What was your kind of takeaway.

624
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 2: The quote underneath it is sometimes the hardest thing and

625
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: the right thing is the same thing.

626
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: And I really like that.

627
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: So obviously, We're recording this in the middle of an

628
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: Australian lockdown right now, and I've had to pull the

629
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: pin on a few things all meant to be happening

630
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: in Australia, and usually my ego would be super attached

631
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: to those things. And I had a meeting yesterday where

632
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: something got canceled against my will and rather than be like.

633
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: Ah, stuff these.

634
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: I wanted, like pushing for this thing I was, I

635
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 2: knew I was defeated in the moment, and I just decided,

636
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, what's really important right now? And for me,

637
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: it was to respect the working relationship that I had

638
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: because I knew that the deal was gone, it was

639
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: off the table. And in that like split second, I

640
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: went from fighting for this thing that was lost to

641
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: this person needs to be heard right now, and I

642
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: just in that it was just a split decision to

643
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: support a person and let go of that goal.

644
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

645
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: I love that, And so that felt like I was

646
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: honoring number eleven.

647
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a dork.

648
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: I love it. It's great.

649
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I think what I'm most obsessed with at

650
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: the moment is really trying to live in a much

651
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: more and it's really never used but like a much

652
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: more mindful way. And you know we talked about last

653
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: night in the little zoomy that we had. You know,

654
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: it's like sometimes a small mind can take over, right,

655
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 3: small mind is the one that goes ego, you know,

656
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: competing with everyone. You're like, what the hell? Like why

657
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: did I lose that deal? Like why me? And you

658
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: sort of go into this like what do I call it?

659
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: Like dramatic and not pragmatic. So when you pull it

660
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: back and you go, you know what, like this is

661
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: not going to matter in ten years time, whatever that

662
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: deal it ain't, it's not going to matter in ten

663
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: years time. So when you can try and like see

664
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: your life as this like I don't know, helicopter up

665
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: and look at it as like this is a big

666
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: fricking masterpiece it's going to hopefully take eighty ninety years

667
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: to draw or paint or whatever like it, things like

668
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: that don't really matter, you know. So if you but

669
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: your character matters and the way you appear in difficult

670
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: situations matter, And that's the sort of shit that people

671
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: will remember. They'll remember how Lla conducted herself in that moment,

672
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: or how Emma treated me in that moment, and that

673
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: to me is the stuff that we need to focus

674
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: on more and that's the stuff that matters. So yeah,

675
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: I'm glad you're like that. I love that.

676
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: That's the like the good value system as well, where

677
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: you come back to like who you are.

678
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: And what you stand for.

679
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, understress as well. I love I could talk to

680
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: you all day. Okay, So last night you mentioned that

681
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: one of your favorite rules is rule number five, which

682
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: is well, that could have been an email.

683
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

684
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: Can you share a bit about that because I love

685
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: this and I'm well, no surprises, I'm a chatterbox. So

686
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: I'll be on a zoom meeting and I'll be like, shit, Lola,

687
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: you've just lost thirty five forty minutes for like a

688
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: ten minute zoom what could have been a ten minute

689
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: zoom meeting?

690
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: Can you share that rule?

691
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I love it, and listen, that might

692
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: be totally appropriate. You might, in that situation need to

693
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: be relationship building. You need to be spending forty five

694
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: minutes as opposed to fifteen. But I have been running

695
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: businesses and building companies for one hundred years now, and

696
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: one of the things that I believe is the biggest

697
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: thief of good culture and obviously thief of time is

698
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: unproductive meetings and meetings for meeting sakes, right, So if

699
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: you work in a corporate or you work in a

700
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: small business, you know you have these placeholders in your

701
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: calendar every single week that's like one on one with

702
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: this person or a team meeting here or whatever it is.

703
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: And most of those don't really need to be there,

704
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: or they can be like far more effective, or you know,

705
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: I just find that some a lot of meetings are

706
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: there for people to appear like they're confident or for

707
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: people to appear like it's all just a lot of

708
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, but a lot of egos kind of

709
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 3: competing for the space and airtime. So for me, like

710
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: just really interrogating the way we meet and how to

711
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: make those more effective. So that rule gives us hundreds

712
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: of not one hundreds, but like tens of little anecdotes

713
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: and tips and tools for how you can sort of

714
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: change meeting culture in your business because like, honestly, like

715
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: a lot of the things, like a lot of the

716
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: meetings can be emails, they can be quick phone calls,

717
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: they can be walks around the block, so you'll buy

718
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: so many more minutes back in your day, if you

719
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: revolutionize your meeting culture.

720
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: I love that you do talk about I can't remember

721
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: which rule it was, but you just evoked it within me.

722
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: Then as you were speaking the power of kind of

723
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: saying no. And we've heard that one many a time before.

724
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: But I think that I don't know if it's our

725
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: generation or an aussy thing or a female thing. We're

726
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: kind of people pleasers. And it feels like the first

727
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: few times you try on saying no, you're like, oh, really.

728
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: Am I raffling some feathers here?

729
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: Like it feels what's your advice around saying no for

730
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: things that don't serve you or a meaning that you know?

731
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: I think you share.

732
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: Actually, you got off this really big deal, I think

733
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: it was an American deal, and everything was going right,

734
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: and then you just started to get this gut feeling

735
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: there were little tweaks and contracts are starting to feel

736
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: a little bit changed and whatnot, and you were like,

737
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: I need to say no. And I think your husbo

738
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: said you've got bigger balls and any guy or something,

739
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: is that right?

740
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, he did say that, actually said that. Yeah.

741
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 3: I mean I think that comes out to that thing

742
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 3: as well. Sometimes the hardest thing is the right thing

743
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: to do, right, So when you can super check in

744
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: and go, WHOA, something is not feeling good here, something's

745
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 3: not feeling good and right. So, yeah, that was a

746
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: decision I made to pull the plug on a pretty

747
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: big deal that was starting to go in a direction

748
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: I didn't want it to go in. But the saying

749
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: no thing is a practice, like kid does feel super

750
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: hawks to start with, and you ask the questions specifically

751
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: like oh am I going to ruffle feathers? You are

752
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: going to do that and that is okay. And it's

753
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: something that I have learned a whole heap actually from

754
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: being in America for the past six years. Like there's

755
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 3: a directness here. There is an acceptance that people will

756
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: say no, like completely to your face and that's okay,

757
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 3: you know. So it is a cultural thing. We have

758
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: a huge cultural discomfort in Australia with saying no, and

759
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 3: we are just like racked with fear about what people

760
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: think about us. And it's it's something that I just

761
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: really struggle with and I just have learnt a lot

762
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: about it's okay to you know, take up space here

763
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 3: and so and a little story that didn't make it

764
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 3: into the book. Actually, I remember being in a line

765
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: here just at a retail store, and you know, I

766
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 3: was at the counter when I was paying for something,

767
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: but I couldn't find my credit card and I was like,

768
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 3: you know, I'll here around my hers for how to pay,

769
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: and you know, I was getting a bit flustered, and

770
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: the woman said, ma'am, it's your turn. Take your time,

771
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: and I'm like, wow, like it is I'm allowed to

772
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: take up this space and time like in Australia. I mean,

773
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: I would have definitely been thinking about this. Five people

774
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: behind me, hurry up, Like she was like, ma'am, take

775
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 3: your time, and I'm like, I love that customer service.

776
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: Here is another lest It's a whole other level, isn't it.

777
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: But I just that was a little I don't know,

778
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: I just I like there's a little analogy, like we

779
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: we try and minimize ourselves, to try and water ourselves down.

780
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: We try and take up as much as little space

781
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: as possible, you know, and it's like, nah, it's your turn, babe, Like, oh,

782
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: I love it. It's your turn.

783
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, in that rule not to stick on the

784
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: no rule, there's there's a thing that you say is

785
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: like try and not to say this, and I'm like, fuck,

786
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: I've said it that many times, where you know you

787
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 2: want to say no, but you go, let me think

788
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: about it, right, And you're like, that's probably the worst

789
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 2: thing to say in that scenario.

790
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: And it's like you.

791
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: Almost being the word I don't know what the word is,

792
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: but you're almost lying because you know you're not going

793
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: to do the thing and you're just leading this situation

794
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: on and you're giving it more airtime than it needs.

795
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: Yes.

796
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: And I don't know if again it is that like

797
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: people please a mentality or that like a lit don't

798
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 2: want to But I said no to a really big

799
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: thing that I know the person that expected me just

800
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: two days ago to say yes to, and I said,

801
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: thanks so much.

802
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: That is a zero benefit to me.

803
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: I understand what you're asking of me, but that's coming

804
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: at too much of a cost of not just myself

805
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: but also audience. And they're the people that I'm doing

806
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: it for. And I didn't even get a response because.

807
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: I knew it had pissed them right off, but it.

808
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 2: Felt like I didn't even think about it again until

809
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: this moment, and so again I didn't take the time

810
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: to say can I just think about that for a

811
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: little bit. I feel like that's a cop out.

812
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, look, there might be situations where

813
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: you actually are and you're not sure, and you're totally

814
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: within your rights to take a couple of days or

815
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: a couple of hours to think about it.

816
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: But if you.

817
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: Genuinely know in your that you don't want to go

818
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: ahead with something that someone's asking you to do, whether

819
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 3: that's going to drinks this Friday night or a good

820
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: deal that you know you're talking about, there, you owe

821
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 3: it to another person and yourself to be honest about it,

822
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: you know. And and again, you just got to practice

823
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: that over and over and over and it does get

824
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: less awkward. And I've got a hundred examples of when

825
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: I've said no, very very clearly in a lovely way.

826
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: You've got to be kind and compassionate in your no.

827
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, they people just don't respond, you know, they

828
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: don't know how to, or they're pissed off or whatever.

829
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: But that's okay, that's yeh shit, it's cool, you know.

830
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: So again, I think it's just having that acceptance that

831
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: you will ruffle feathers and people and that's okay, Like

832
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 3: you cannot please everybody.

833
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: Well, you also have said.

834
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: In a podcasting I listen to when I first started researching,

835
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: you said, the truth is terrifying. And I think when

836
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: you're living in the truth and you're being really honest

837
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: and you're really connected to that, it feels a bit

838
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: scary sometimes and that's kind of cool, and that's okay.

839
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean one hundred percent, And that's a

840
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: that's a rule for life, isn't it, Like, you know,

841
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: the deeper you go into the truths of your life

842
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: or the truths of like your past experiences or your

843
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: wounds or whatever, like that's it's all. It's all kind

844
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 3: of scary. But you know, my coach says to me, like,

845
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: in order to reach your depths, you've got to go

846
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: to your depths one hundred percent. I love that. And

847
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: it's like, well, you can either live at this kind

848
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: of surface level, you know, like vibration, where you just

849
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: everything is chill and cool and fun and easy, or

850
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 3: you can no, let's let's dive a bit deeper and

851
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: let's go there. And yeah, it's freaking scary, but it's

852
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 3: like so much more rewarding to live that way.

853
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: It's so cooled that you share that you've got a coach.

854
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: I've got a therapist, and I know that in Australia. Price,

855
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: So I've got a therapist. People like, what's wrong with you? Yeah,

856
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: a breakup and I'm like, no, it's quite non negotiable.

857
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: And I feel like here it's a lot of people's

858
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 2: non negotiables. Like therapy is so normal, having a coach

859
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: or a mentor, it's super.

860
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: Super yeah normal. I have a therapist and a coach.

861
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 3: I have two people that I talk with, and oh,

862
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 3: it's amazing. I mean it's like a workout for your

863
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: soul or your head, like it's it's and for me,

864
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: it's just so important to have my head right around

865
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: a ton of things, like not only because I feel

866
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: a deep level of responsibility to be yeah, to be

867
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: a role model to my community, but also to my family.

868
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, I have six young kiddos, so

869
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 3: I feel that perhaps even more deeply that I want

870
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: to show up in the world and I want to

871
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: be my best version. And like, I yeah, I mean

872
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: I'm super scared that I'm going to mess them up

873
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: in some way, but I already know that I will,

874
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: Like they're going to have childhood wounds from you know,

875
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: and that's okay, and they'll have to do their own

876
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: therapy and that will have to that'll be their journey

877
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: to go on. But I just think, you know, there's

878
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: no shame in talking to people and to.

879
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: Super your process so much faster as well, Like if

880
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: you have career aspirations you want to succeed, like any

881
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: of this, If you want to succeed, there's something have

882
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: a therapist because you'll be able to make choices and

883
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: business calls and one hundred percent so fast because you're

884
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: so connected to who you are. And you mentioned that

885
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: energy of being self assured, like to me, that comes

886
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: from figuring out our own psychology in the way we

887
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: like to tick. Yeah, I've talked to you all day long.

888
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 2: I've got two more questions. Well, two more questions and

889
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: a thank you. So the first question is you've had

890
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 2: so many incredible celebrities and not just celebrities, just movers

891
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: and shakers that have had an amazing impact on the world.

892
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: Jamie Oliver, I'm still sour. I did not get to

893
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: see Jamie.

894
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: Olivera he's him like two or three times.

895
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: We had Rachel Zoe Sarah, Jessica Parker, Richard Brandton, Like,

896
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: this is an eme and you mentioned Kate Hudson before.

897
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: This is name in the tip of the iceberg.

898
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: Like, has there been any moment where and I'm sure

899
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: there has, but do you have a like favorite mom

900
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: where you were just like pinching yourself going holy mackerel

901
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: a hundred like maybe perhaps a thousand, like and it

902
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: happens pretty much every single time, you know, And I

903
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: think there's that's also a beautiful way to live, like

904
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: if you can feel into gratitude and sit there like,

905
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: there's so so many moments.

906
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: You know. When I first convinced Seth godin you know,

907
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 3: the market to come to Australa, he'd never traveled to

908
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: Australia and I'd been at him for eight years really

909
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: and I would ask him to, you know, come down

910
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: Under and he'd be like, no, thanks, and so I

911
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: just kept at him for eight years. And I remember

912
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: we had about two thousand people in the audience that

913
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: day and it was just a really special moment. And

914
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 3: to look around and see other people who you know,

915
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: not only for my team, but the people who you know,

916
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 3: it was a lifelong dream to see him in person,

917
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: like I was like, looking around, this is just like

918
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: this is incredible. Was a bible for so many Yeah. Yeah,

919
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: and he's been super you know, he's been a huge

920
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 3: role model for me throughout my career, and I think

921
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: everything he talks about in terms of marketing and relationships

922
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: makes just pure sense. Arianna Huffington was beautiful. You know,

923
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 3: I had this beautiful pinch me moment. We had Diane

924
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 3: von Furstenberg speak for us one hundred years ago. She's

925
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: on the front cover of your book. I feel I

926
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: was just given a quote or something medially. Yeah, she

927
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: endorsed the book and she's she's beautiful. We've kept in

928
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: touch over the years, but I didn't meet DVF before

929
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: she went on stage, so it was, you know, one

930
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: of those well wind things. She came from another appearance,

931
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: came walked through the crowd up onto stage, so I

932
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: had not met her before she started speaking, and I

933
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: remember it was her and she was being interviewed by

934
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 3: Sandra Sally on stage, and you know, she's she's a

935
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 3: terrific storyteller and orator, and she's just I mean, she's

936
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: just so graceful and so she I remember Sandra asked

937
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: her one question. She sort of spoke for like forty

938
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: five minutes off the back of that one question. It

939
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: was phenomenal. But at one point she stopped and she's

940
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: like where am I? And I'm like, oh, this is bad.

941
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: This is like someone's not briefed her. She has no

942
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 3: idea what she's you know what this is. And Sandra

943
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 3: goes Diane like, you're a business chick. This is like

944
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: astray A's largest community for women, and you know this

945
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: is the year she's I know, she said, I know

946
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: where I am, she said, but this is extraordinary. She

947
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: I love it. I love this. I love that we

948
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: are in business but where chicks. I love the name,

949
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: I love the vibe. I feel like we are in

950
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: the most intimate setting even though there are hundreds of

951
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 3: women here. Who is responsible for this? And Sandra's like

952
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: Emma down there and I was like, oh my god,

953
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: Like this is just a moment I'm going to take

954
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 3: to my grave like that someone who I've looked up

955
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: to for so many years can kind of be thrust

956
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: into a little situation in Sydney, Australia and say this

957
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 3: is a really special thing that we've got going on here.

958
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 3: That was that was a pinchby moment, you know, it

959
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: was just it was it was really special. And again,

960
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: you know, we've taken groups of business sticks members into

961
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 3: her studio in the meatpacking district in New York and

962
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 3: she's you know, she's just a very generous woman. And

963
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: so yeah, that's there's a hundreds, Yeah, there would be

964
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 3: so many. It's it's been a real blessing. And I

965
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: often say like it's been my own MBA right to

966
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: put these people in front of me and to have

967
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: a front rate row seat to their experiences and their

968
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 3: their teachings and who they are as people. You're one

969
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 3: of those like you spoke a ross a million times

970
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: and we always get so much from your wisdom and

971
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 3: your your your dagginess.

972
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: Do you know that you and I have the same

973
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: fear though I have a fear of tripping on stage

974
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: to this day and I've heard you have the same

975
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: because we both wear heels when we go on stage.

976
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: Really do I know? I know that that one never

977
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: ever leaves me. It's like shit, like that's all I

978
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 3: think about, Like, just don't fall over, don't fall over,

979
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 3: don't fall over. And I bet you I just would

980
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: be really ungrateful about it if it actually happened.

981
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: But then look how cool Jennifer Lawrence.

982
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: Made me know she was. We're not Jennifer Lawrence. No,

983
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 3: this is true. We fall flat on my face.

984
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: So I wanted to thank you for something.

985
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this, but you're part

986
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: of the reason that I'm sitting here in LA right

987
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: now because you gave me an amazing testimony for my

988
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: green card.

989
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: Do you remember that like five years ago?

990
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: I remember, I did not remember that until you told

991
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: me that. Yeah, so thank you.

992
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: It took me three and a half years to get

993
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: it and then to finally make it over here. But you,

994
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: I just want to say thank you so much for

995
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: doing that, because that was just an email that I

996
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: flicked you, and you're like one of the quickest people

997
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: on getting it back to me because it's quite a process.

998
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: I know, you know all the legal side of getting

999
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: over here. Bet. I want to say thank you very

1000
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: it's an absolute pleasure.

1001
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's amazing. I know it's so good.

1002
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: Finally, just with the book, I know you're I heard

1003
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: last night you're donating proceeds.

1004
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: Can you share a little bit about it.

1005
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we want this to blow up,

1006
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: and we're donating two dollars for any person who shares

1007
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 3: the cover of the New Hustle on their socials. We're

1008
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: don'tated to the Indigenous Literacy Foundation, so hopefully we can

1009
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: raise a whole heap of money for them, and they

1010
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 3: do amazing work.

1011
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the gig unreal.

1012
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: Now, in the show notes for people listening, I'm going

1013
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: to put a live link so you can purchase the

1014
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: New Hustle right now from this moment with this awesome

1015
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 2: humans wisdom. Emma Isaac, thank you so much, a total

1016
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 2: honor to have you on the pod.

1017
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: Love you. I'm so glad we made it happen. Finally

1018
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: we did it. Yay.

1019
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

1020
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 2: on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I'm at Yamo lollaberry.

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Speaker 2: This potty my word for podcast is available on all

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