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Speaker 2: Just enter Price, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, thanks for having me and a.

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Speaker 1: Big congratulations on becoming the Senator of the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: You must have been pretty pleased when it all happened.

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Speaker 3: Look, it's been a long time coming, I think, but

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Speaker 2: What have been those first steps?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I spent a day in Canberra last week.

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Speaker 1: I know some of that incredibly important work does come

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Speaker 1: So how do you reckon this narrative needs to change

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and these are the measures that are far more

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Speaker 1: Good to speak with you this morning. Thank you for your.

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Speaker 3: Time, Thanks for having me Katie.

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Speaker 2: Thank you