1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast. It's not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torba. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: That is so fatch. 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Thank you, Welcome back to another episode of Outspoken. It's 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: pretty exciting because tonight is the night that most businesses 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: have their Christmas party. But Sophie, we've decided. 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: We're not having a Christmas party again this year. 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Ommi CROM's out and about in Adelaide at the moment, 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: so I think it's best that we probably celebrate privately 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: in our own eyes. 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: It reminds me of that real I think. 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: I shared it on the Outspoken Instagram where it said 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: this is literally Omicron ruining everybody's Christmas, and it was 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: this vision of this man dresses a grinch, just tearing 19 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: these children's stockings down. Yeah, I feel like I feel 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: that deep to my soul at the moment because I'm 21 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: too scared to go anywhere, and I know that probably 22 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: sounds melodramatic for our listeners in New South Wales and Victoria. 23 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: But we have been in such a privileged position where 24 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: we haven't had COVID in our state, and now that 25 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: it's out, I'm just so worried about being in an 26 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: exposure zone and having to quarantine over Christmas. So I 27 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: am a little bit nervous because I've got my Christmas 28 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: party next Tuesday, so three days out from Christmas and 29 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: we're supposed to be heading into the city. So I 30 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: don't know how I feel about that. I might have 31 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: to make up an excuse as to why I can't come. 32 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: I actually can't believe the timing of this story though, 33 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: because while everyone is out celebrating their Christmas parties, UK 34 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been forced to apologize over 35 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: a secret Christmas party at his official Downing Street resident 36 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: last year, and it is alleged that the party broke 37 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: COVID rules at a time that the UK was under 38 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: Tier two restrictions, including Brits being banned from having work 39 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: Christmas parties and also no mixing of households indoors. Do 40 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: you remember they had to have their bubble and they 41 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: could only see their bubble for Christmas. 42 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 43 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: Well, I think the most awkward thing is that while 44 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister wasn't in attendance at the party, he 45 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: did appear via a video as the quiz master. And 46 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: to make matters even worse, the Prime Minister's spokesperson was 47 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: caught on camera in a mock press conference at the 48 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: party joking about the lockdown measures. Now she has since 49 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: resigned from her job. And it got me thinking about 50 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: the worst Christmas parties I've been to, because this is 51 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: a pretty horrific ending to a Christmas party from. 52 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: Over a year ago. 53 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: Have you guys had any terrible Christmas parties? I've had, 54 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: like some awkward Christmas parties. I actually don't have too 55 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: many terrible ones. A good Christmas party I can think 56 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: of was when we were in our early twenties and 57 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: we were working at Channel ten and they always. 58 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: Threw a great party. 59 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: And the first Christmas party we ever went to with them, 60 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: they had this temporary tattoo artist and it was really cool. Obviously, 61 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: you get anything you wanted tattooed. And it was when 62 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: the three of us and some of our friends we 63 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: were doing all and camera operating for the weekend News 64 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: and one of the news readers there she's now working 65 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: at sixty minutes. 66 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: Sarah Arbo. 67 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: We absolutely loved her and we all called ourselves Arbo's Angel, 68 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: so we all ended up getting temporary tattoos of that 69 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: all over our arms. God, I totally forgot about that. 70 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: That would have been ten years ago or more. Thinking 71 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: back to my most memorable work Christmas party, I can't 72 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: go past the first year I was working full time 73 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: and one of my colleagues hosted the party, and he 74 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: was so house proud. He had this beautiful pool and 75 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 1: spa in out door area and we had a big barbecue, 76 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: and then later in the night everyone decided to get 77 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: in the spa and I remember sitting there amongst all 78 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: these men and I kept getting up to go to 79 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: the toilet. However, they didn't move. And after about two hours, 80 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: when we got out of the spa, I realized why 81 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: they had all collectively pissed in the spa. They hadn't 82 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: gotten out to go to the toilet. The spa water 83 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: was yellow. It was about this poor guy at the time, 84 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: he didn't know what was going on because he'd actually 85 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: collapsed out the front of the house looking at the 86 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: Christmas lights. So wait, wait, was he drunk or what? Yeah, 87 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: he was so drunk that he went out to look 88 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: at the Christmas lights and was found like lying in 89 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: the driveway and his wife had to bring him in 90 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: and take him in to have a shower. 91 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: It was quite hilarious. 92 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, he ended up having to drain the spa 93 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: and having to like refilter the water like it was 94 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: this whole process. It was so disgusting. So maybe not 95 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: as bad as Boris and his spokeswoman's party, but pretty bad. 96 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear your horror stories from Christmas parties. 97 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: Hopefully you won't have a horror story this year. We're 98 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: going to put a thread in our Facebook community at Outspoken, 99 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: at the podcast community. Oh gad, I forget and were 100 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: replaced because every time Catherine read up the microwave pissed 101 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: my fants and forget who I was for. 102 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: Half hour or so. 103 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: Influencer Chloe Zepp has revealed the reason behind partner Mitch 104 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: Orvil's absence from social media. She made the revelation during 105 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: a Q and A on Instagram, where she also teased 106 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: she'd found God this year. Firstly, Amy, can you tell 107 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: us that's what went down. Well, a lot of people 108 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: have been wondering where Mitch Auvil has been because he 109 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: has been absent from social media for the last couple 110 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: of months. And this followed, of course, a lot of 111 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: negative sentiment towards Chloe and Mitch following their alleged anti 112 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: vax views. So one follower flat out ask Chloe why 113 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: isn't Mitch on Insta anymore, to which Chloe responded a 114 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: multitude of reasons, privacy and realizing he doesn't actually have 115 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: to show the internet everything. I think, mostly just for 116 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: peace and more presence in his life, and he got 117 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: into NFT and crypto space and has more passion for 118 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: that now, and he started a networking company outside of 119 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: social media, all face to face connecting now. I did 120 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: have a bit of a laugh seeing Chloe mention that 121 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: Mitch is now into cryptocurrency and NFTs because it seems 122 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: like such a male influencer thing to get involved in. Well, 123 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: it's really just a money making scheme, and I feel 124 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: like a lot of men are on Instagram and women 125 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: as well to make a lot of money, and there's 126 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. But perhaps Mitch has seen that 127 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: the crypto market is a lot more lucrative for him, 128 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: and he doesn't have to share all his personal details 129 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: online and be scrutinized, and he can just go and 130 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: do that instead. Do you guys think though it's more 131 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: of a case of perhaps brands no longer. 132 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: Want to work with Mitchell anymore. 133 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: It's not a case of him choosing to just leave 134 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: social media because it doesn't fulfill him. Like I can 135 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: imagine a lot of brands wanting to move very far 136 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: away from them and all of their anti vax sentiments. 137 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't know if that's the case, 138 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: because I honestly think that Mitch and the whole Orville 139 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: family has been really upset following all of the negative 140 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: sentiment towards them online. I mean, we saw that with 141 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: Sharon Orvil's outburst on you. But why are they upset 142 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: because they can't make money anymore? I think they're upset 143 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: because they're so used to being well loved. Angry Dad 144 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: was so popular on Instagram, and I feel like this 145 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: is territory they haven't been in before being disliked. 146 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 147 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: I tend to agree with you, Amy, because it's been 148 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: a big fall from grace for the Orvil and Zet family, 149 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: and it's been in this bit of a reckoning for 150 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: social media influences when people are actually questioning why they 151 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 1: follow people and why these people earn so much money. 152 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: Particularly since the pandemic, they've been put under the spotlight. 153 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: So I feel like maybe Mitch is realizing it's not 154 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: a space he wants to be in, and there might 155 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: be quite a few influencers questioning their involvement in the 156 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: space moving forward, particularly if they've already created enough cash 157 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: that they can get into investing in cryptocurrency. 158 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 159 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm in kind of two minds about it, 160 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: because I think personally, for Mitch, it might be a 161 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: good idea for him to step away from social media 162 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: if it is causing him distress. However, I do wonder 163 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: if their brands can sustain that popularity if Mitch isn't there, 164 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: Because obviously Chloe is still on social media. Sharon Orvill 165 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: has said she's leaving social media. I don't know, can 166 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: Chloe exist without Mitch being online. I feel like there's 167 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: such a partnership and they've got so many businesses tied 168 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: into their social media presence, But I don't think Mitch's 169 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: ever really had a very successful business off the back 170 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: of his social media career. I think it's Chloe that's 171 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: been the breadwinner in that area with ZEP. She just 172 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: had a string of businesses and they haven't really gone anywhere. 173 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: I mean, he can flog off some T shirt to 174 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: make some quick cash, but I don't think there's much 175 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 1: longevity in the brands that he has produced. I agree 176 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: with that, but I feel like Mitch has been the 177 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: one that pushes Chloe a lot. We've seen that with 178 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: her YouTube, because Chloe doesn't even post on her personal YouTube. 179 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: It was Mitch she was filming everything, editing everything, and 180 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: he said in a vlog earlier this year that Chloe 181 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: was basically lazy and just paid everybody to do everything 182 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: for her. So I wonder if she's going to be 183 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: able to have that internal drive or maybe Mitch's handling 184 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: social media things but just off camera. Yeah, it's so 185 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: true because Chloe has always kind of written on the 186 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: coattails of others. I mean, she really generated her following 187 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: off the back of being best friends with Shiny Grimmin, 188 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: and I think that her relationship is mitt with Mitch 189 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: is also another huge reason as to why people followed her. 190 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean, they even had a joint YouTube channel. I 191 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: think that she probably doesn't have that passion and drive 192 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: to do it. I mean, it's quite clear that neither 193 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: of them must be that passionate about being social media 194 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: influencers or creators if they're happy to just walk or 195 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: if Mitch is just happy to walk away from it 196 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: like this. To be fair, they're probably just fed up 197 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: with the backlash. I mean, we spoke about it in 198 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: a recent episode that everything the zeps and Orvils posted, 199 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: even if it really wasn't that bad, it was copying 200 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: negativity online. Yeah, but we've all been fed up with 201 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: our jobs before. It doesn't mean that we can all 202 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: just walk away and you know, throw a dummy to bit. 203 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: To be fair, though, all of our jobs don't come 204 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: with a lot of criticism and trolling. And while some 205 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: of it may have been deserved in the sense that 206 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: they obviously shared some very controversial views about the pandemic, 207 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: I do feel like this may be a bit of 208 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: a time for Mitch to lay low and then reinvent 209 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: himself again, because I think a lot of his image 210 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: online is this reinvention. So I think the last time 211 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: we saw him, he had stopped, you know, the drinking 212 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: and the drugs, and he was sort of trying to 213 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: prove to everyone that he had changed, and he was 214 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: into his fitness and he was really getting into the 215 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: vlogging and all of this controversy then happened with his 216 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: anti VAXX views. I feel like Mitch is potentially working 217 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: on himself and going to have a bit of a 218 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: comeback when everything's died down. And in the meantime he's 219 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: looking into cryptocurrency. 220 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 221 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,359 Speaker 1: Well, on the topic of reinventing themselves, another follower asked Chloe, 222 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: what's the most powerful thing you have learned in twenty 223 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: twenty one, and Chloe said, family is literally everything to me, 224 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: and I mean community family like siblings, nieces, nephews, parents, grandparents, 225 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: friends that I feel like family. Spending quality time together, 226 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: laughing and having fun, community and having people you love 227 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: around is the most powerful thing. And lastly, to put 228 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: faith in God, pray, have gratitude and faith. So one 229 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: of our members in our community summed it up pretty well. 230 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: They said that this was Chloe's soft launch into Christianity, 231 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: and I couldn't agree more. A lot of people have 232 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: also been saying that they've noticed that in a lot 233 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: of her instance stories, Chloe's been playing worship music recently, 234 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: so this answer in the Q and A didn't surprise 235 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: too many people. It's interesting because she has always put 236 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: herself out there as being a spiritual person, but I 237 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: have never heard her speak directly about being a Christian 238 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: or her relationship with God. So I do find it 239 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: interesting that it is something that she seems to have 240 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: gotten more into this year. And it's also interesting because 241 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: we have seen another large Australian influencer, Sarah's Day, speaking 242 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: more openly about her faith. 243 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: And her Christianity. 244 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: And while I think that it is very genuine and 245 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: they are probably both Christian women, I do find it 246 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: interesting because it does seem to be a foot in 247 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: the door of the American market, especially as a mummy blogger. 248 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: Do you know what's funny When you were saying that 249 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: that she's now into Christianity, I just thought, well, first 250 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: it was manifestation, then it was crystals. Now is everyone 251 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: just going to find God? 252 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: Is it become cool now? Yeah? 253 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: Do you know what it really stood out to me 254 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: in Chloe's comment was the word community. It popped up 255 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: quite a few times, and I couldn't help but think 256 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: about how she's been trying to push that she wants 257 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: to start her own community where they all live together 258 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: and they do homeschooling and grow their own vegetables, and 259 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: it kind of had religious undertones for me, and this 260 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: has kind of solidified that in my mind. But I 261 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: do think she's really pivoting away from as you said, so, 262 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: she's always been spiritual, but I would have thought that 263 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: a lot of her practices tended to be more towards 264 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: the Buddhist faith rather than Christianity. So if you touch 265 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: on the fact that Sarah's day has also opened up 266 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: about her faith, I do find it quite interesting that 267 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: both Sarah and Chloe have been quite problematic influences this 268 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 1: year and now they're suddenly shouting from the rooftops that 269 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: they've found God and they're part of the Christian community. 270 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: Do you honestly think that it is to get people 271 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: off their backs or you mentioned that you do genuinely 272 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: think it is to break into the American market. 273 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: Well, maybe I don't know. 274 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: I've just thought it, but that maybe they've found forgiveness 275 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: in that sort of community. Maybe they haven't felt as 276 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: much judgment mourning. 277 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 4: Everybody we have come to you are annual get the 278 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 4: tree at Wilderness Woods, which we're very excited about. 279 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: Zoe Sugg has returned to YouTube after a three month 280 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: hiatus after giving birth to her daughter, Ottterly. The video 281 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: has already amassed over one million views and is trending 282 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: on YouTube. In true Zoella's style, she shared a festive 283 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: update along with baby news. So, Kate, can you fill 284 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: us in on Zoella's baby update? Well, that's quite interesting 285 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: because the last time Zoe uploaded was on the twenty 286 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: sixth of August when she shared a tour of her 287 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: finished nursery, and it was also the same day that 288 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: she went and got her thirty eight week scan. However, 289 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: Zoe wasn't expecting the news the doctors told her. Unfortunately, 290 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: her baby's abdomen percentile had dropped below the average and 291 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: the doctor preferred that the baby put on way outside 292 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: of Zoe's womb, so she had to be induced. And 293 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: Zoe said she was going to upload a vlog before 294 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: Otterly's arrival, announcing that she was taking maternity leave and 295 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be doing vlogmas However, she didn't even 296 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: get the chance as she had to be induced so early. Now, 297 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: Zoe ended up being induced on the Friday and then 298 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: gave birth on the Sunday, which was the twenty ninth 299 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: of August, and Zoe's partner Alfie, actually filmed the whole 300 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: birth experience. However, they said they're not going to share it. 301 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: They also said they took a break from YouTube as 302 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: it was important for them to have time with the 303 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: cameras down to enjoy the experience. And I found this 304 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: whole thing very refreshing that they actually wanted to keep 305 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: the birth private and they didn't just use it for 306 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: clicks or to monetize the experience. I feel like it's 307 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: not going to feel like Christmas for a lot of 308 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,239 Speaker 1: people in the UK because Zoe has been doing vlogma's 309 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: for the past six years and it's the first year. 310 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: As you say, Kate, that she isn't going to be 311 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: doing it, but she couldn't help but give fans a 312 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: little taste of Christmas in the video. 313 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 314 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: So, following the little baby update, Zoe shared her and 315 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: Alfi getting the Christmas decorations out of the basement and 316 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: also decorating one of their many Christmas trees this time, Sophie, 317 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: you'll like it because it was their pre lip balsam 318 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: heel tree. She decorated with I don't know if you've 319 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: guys seen her do this before, but I've seen it 320 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: quite a few times in. 321 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: Her vlogs over the years. 322 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: But she's got this tree that has really bright and 323 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: funky decorations that are really random things. I feel like 324 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: it would be right up your Alie Amy. So she's 325 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: got like fries, diet cokes, caravans, popcorn, and she also 326 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: shared that she had some new additions to this special tree, 327 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: which included it was kind of like a snack cheese 328 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: and biscuit snack, which she said with her pregnancy craving. 329 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: She also added a baby nursery and a snow globe 330 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: with an O for Otterly in there, and was pretty 331 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: cute because Zoe hung up the O with the snow 332 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: globe decoration with Otterly. So, I feel like a lot 333 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: of her fans that have been watching her since twenty twelve, 334 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: this would be quite a special moment for them to 335 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: be watching. We're talking about hervlogs. Did you guys ever 336 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: watch her VLOGMA series. Well, I actually watched a couple 337 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: a few years ago because I kept hearing everyone saying 338 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: how great Zaela was. And whilst I do think she 339 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: she seems like a lovely person, I never got hooked 340 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: on them neither, because I've watched a few and I 341 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: just thought they were a bit boring. 342 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: But maybe it's because I'm not invested in her life 343 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: like other people might. Yeah, she doesn't. 344 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: Seem as out there as other influences, like she seems 345 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: a lot more softly spoken, and I feel like it's 346 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: really her commitment of vlogging which has led to her success. Yeah, 347 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: I actually have been watching heaps of them on my YouTube. 348 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: Seems to be set. The algorithm now is feeding me 349 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: vogmas fizo Wella, So I've been seeing lots of different 350 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: years of her life, which has been kind of funny, 351 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: but I kind of let them run in the background. So, 352 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: as you said, I think it's more of this relaxing 353 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: thing that you can put it on, be on your phone, 354 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: you don't have to pay a lot of attention. But 355 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: I think her success is in her relatability and also, 356 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean, as I've said, her consistency. I mean to 357 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: do vlog Yes, it's a huge effort to do it. 358 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: I did actually enjoy some of her more recent vogma 359 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: series over the last two years because she's rich, and 360 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: for some reason, I get a sick kick out of 361 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: seeing all of the expensive ornaments and all of the 362 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: presents at Influence Just go out and buy now. Zoela 363 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: wasn't the only person to put out of log. Her 364 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: partner Alfi also put out a vlog to celebrate the 365 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: return to YouTube, and it is quite clear from the 366 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: video that they are being fairly strategic with how they 367 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: want to put their daughter out to the rest of 368 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: the world, and I do think it is good that 369 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: they have had that time to reflect and think about 370 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: what is the safest and best option for her going forward. 371 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: Here's a clip of what he said. 372 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: I'm also still working out at the moment how much 373 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 3: I want to film and what to film and what 374 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 3: not to film. And I'm very used to I'm very 375 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: comfortable with how much of my life that I put 376 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: online and how much of my relationship with Zobe that 377 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: I put online. But obviously everything surrounded Otti is brand new, 378 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: and I'm working out what i want to film and 379 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: how much I want to film and what I don't 380 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 3: want to film, and just making sure that I'm doing 381 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 3: that at the right pace. Like I'm so excited to 382 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: document in whichever way that is, in however many videos 383 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 3: that is, I'm so excited to document there the next 384 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 3: phase of my life. 385 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: So what do you guys think about what Alfie had 386 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: to say? It did actually remind me of a conversation 387 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: that Mitch Orville and Reese hawk And shared on their 388 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: podcast two Open Books. And this was before Mitch had 389 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: his son Artie, and Mitch was saying that he basically 390 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: wanted to start a family channel and felt quite comfortable 391 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: sharing Artie on there. 392 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: But Forese, who had actually. 393 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: Shared his children in the public eye for the past 394 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: couple of years, He hit back on Mitch and said, 395 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: it's actually not a good idea, and he is now 396 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: choosing not to put his children out there publicly, not 397 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 1: only a son Stone. I think it actually would be 398 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: impossible for Alfie and Zoe not to share anything about 399 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: their daughter online, a bit like how driver Kim thought 400 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: that she could just keep her children off keeping up 401 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: with the. 402 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: Kardashians, and now they're on there. 403 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: So I feel like they might actually share little bits 404 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: of her life in a tasteful way. 405 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: But I feel like it's quite. 406 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: A good move on their behalf of not to overshare 407 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: everything like every other mummy blogger out there. Yeah. I 408 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: think it was good they did not share the labor 409 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: vlog because it's so personal, and I think that some 410 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: women do do a good job of sharing those sort 411 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: of things to educate others, But for some it's just 412 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: a moment where you get a bucket of popcorn and 413 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: sit back and watch a drama on fold. I can't. 414 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: I can't stand watching birth logs. It makes me I like, 415 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: I never want to have children. See. But I think 416 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: that's a bit naive to think that they share them 417 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: to educate women. I think they share them for the clicks, 418 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: because they know that this is a milestone moment that's 419 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: going to get them a lot of money. And I 420 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: think it's admirable that Zoe and Alfi didn't do that. 421 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 4: What's YouTube Family aka You Traders? 422 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day has opened up about last year's controversy where 423 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: followers accused her of photoshopping her images. 424 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: Sophie, can you tell us more Well? 425 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: During a recent podcast episode for The Health Code Daily 426 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: centered on viral YouTube videos. Kurt said that he wanted 427 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: to shed light on a little conspiracy that he says 428 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: has been made about Sarah. So the incident in question 429 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: that Kurt was referring to was when followers noticed that 430 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: Sarah had a folder on her computer called Celli Light. 431 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: So it was around this time last year that Sarah 432 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: was taking part in the Show Me a Picture challenge 433 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: and was asked to show a photo of her at 434 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: her unhealthiest. So Sarah shared a photo of herself off 435 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: her computer screen where she was on a boat in 436 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: red bikinis and white shorts with supposedly celli light on 437 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: her legs, and fans quickly noticed that the photo came 438 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: from a folder which was in the background called Celli Light. Also, 439 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: she accidentally shared an old photo which was captioned face tune. 440 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: So in this podcast, Sarah addressed the cellly light comment 441 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: and said that the reason she had the folder was 442 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: for a YouTube video she was creating about how she 443 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: had reduced her celli light. So to prepare for the video, 444 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: she was putting old photos into the folder titled Celli 445 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: Light so that she could easily drag and drop the 446 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: images into the video. This is what she said about 447 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: the controversy. 448 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 4: To prepare for this video, I was putting all of 449 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 4: my old videos in that folder. I was getting screenshots 450 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 4: so when I sit down and chat, I can just 451 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 4: like drag and drop from the folder. So on Instagram, 452 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: I did a screenshot of my cellulite ad. I guess 453 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 4: it's worse, you know, in a photo, because it's like, 454 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 4: it's actually not very very easy to have a photo 455 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 4: of your cellulite at its worst, because when do you 456 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 4: take a photo up? Really, I had it in this 457 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 4: folder and people were like. 458 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: This is so fake. 459 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 4: Why would you have a folder called cellulite. I'm like, 460 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 4: I'm a content creator. Like what I'm like, I'm a 461 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 4: content creator. This is that's what I do. This part 462 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 4: I have a told down. I have a folder called 463 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 4: bad Skin, peril, dumb titus, cellulite, hormonal acne. 464 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: I love some of the things that people come up with. 465 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 2: It just make me laugh. 466 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: So no, now I completely understand this cellulite folder thing. 467 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: It seems like a pretty legitimate explanation as to why 468 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: she had the folder. However, I'm a bit confused why 469 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: they didn't acknowledge in this segment what the file save 470 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: face Tune was all about, because probly because it's not 471 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 1: too hard to explain, because I don't have a reasoning 472 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: behind exactly. But you know, Kurt's sitting there saying, oh yeah, 473 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: everyone's saying that you're photoshop. Yes, Kurt is because there 474 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: was a photo photo entitled face Tune. And I totally 475 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: understand though that there's a large percentage of influencers and 476 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: also everyday people who do use filters and photo editing 477 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: apps to make themselves look better. There is such a 478 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: pressure on people like Sarah to look great, and I 479 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: feel like it could have been a moment where she 480 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: was actually quite relatable if she just said on the podcast, yeah, 481 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: I have face tuned photos before, haven't we all? Well 482 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: Alex Cooper did a whole podcast about that when she 483 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: was caught out and she was very raw and real 484 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: and said, yeah, I do photoshop my files, and it 485 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: made you look at people with followings a little bit 486 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: differently that they all have insecurities, just like ourselves. I 487 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: think the issue is that people didn't like the fact 488 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: that maybe she was face tuning and photoshopping photos that 489 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: we used to promote her diet and exercise plan, because 490 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: then the photo's not real, you're not actually I think 491 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 1: it's a pretty legitimate thing to be upset about, and 492 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: it also makes you assume comments about the cellulite, I 493 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: think that they were referencing that. Oh, I think they 494 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: thought follow us thought that Sarah had put fake cellulite 495 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: on herself. Yeah, for the YouTube video, which I don't 496 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: want to be more likely, but I think that the 497 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: reason people were questioning it is because they have been 498 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: caught out numerous times photoshopping. See. What I thought was 499 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: that people were saying that she actually hasn't reduced her 500 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: cellulite and that she's photoshopping photos to make it look 501 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: like she doesn't have any when she actually really does. 502 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: Because I was under the understanding and I could be incorrect, 503 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: but I thought it was really hard, even if you 504 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 1: trained and lost weight to remove cellulite, Like you can't 505 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: spot treat cellul I think it's more of a lifestyle 506 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: thing of the food that you then eat not so much. 507 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean, as we said, none of us here are 508 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: trainers or nutritionists, so well, I think that's what they're 509 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: trying to push, that this diet and this exercise program 510 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: to can remove cellulite, but I question that the validity 511 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: of that really, to be honest, I was just really 512 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: surprised about the whole podcast because they were talking about, 513 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: as you said, Sophie, the viral YouTube Sarah has released, 514 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: and even referencing the Cellula one, and there was another 515 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: like Booty, like fat Burner one, fat Burns, like, oh, 516 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: I can't wait to do more fat Burner. I felt 517 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: like saying, read the room. 518 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: People aren't discussing this anymore. 519 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: It's actually so ignorant about those types of videos. It's 520 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: really disturbing because they are now doing interviews with a 521 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: nutritionist and some of the questions from the Sunny app 522 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, and the questions that Sarah is asking 523 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: her are really awkward because they sound like they're coming 524 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: from a place with someone who has obviously experienced an 525 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: eating disorder and who is aware that they've experienced that. 526 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: But then all I can think about is the damaging 527 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: videos of Sarah's eating habits that are still online from 528 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: six to seven years ago exactly. Yeah. Yeah, because she 529 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: admitted that she had actually gone to a dietitian and 530 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: asked how can she lose this? Excess weight when she 531 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: only weighed forty seven kilos, and she's obviously gone on 532 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: the record and spoken about how she's lost her period 533 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: and that. Yeah, it just seems to be this awkward 534 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: elephant in the room. But then she also is constantly 535 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: seems to be questioning this dietitian around, like how she 536 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: can lose weight after her pregnancy. I mean, she's also 537 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: released is releasing this pregnancy e book now, which again 538 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: made me feel very uneasy because with her prior birth 539 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: to Fox, she said that she wanted to stay out 540 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: of that space. She just wants to be in the 541 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: fitness and fitness and wellness space. She's not really keen 542 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 1: to try and help mums lose weight after pregnancy. And 543 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: it just scares me because I feel like she's already 544 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: put enough out there that's been quite damaging, which you said, Amy, 545 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: she refuses to take down. I just felt uneasy about 546 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: the whole thing. But she's also discussed numerous times how 547 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: her birth was really difficult because she over exercised and 548 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: her muscles were too tight. 549 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just anyway. 550 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, welcome back to my channel. Recently engaged math 551 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: star Martha califatitis has opened up about a horrific trip 552 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: to La saying she was warned not to wear any 553 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: flashy as people were being robbed at gunpoint. So can 554 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: you fill us in and what happened? Well? After announcing 555 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: their engagement earlier this month, Martha and Mike were revealed 556 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: they were actually holidaying in La So in a Q 557 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: and A, a follower asked Martha how has La been, 558 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: and the follower said that she's actually going there in 559 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: January now. Martha responded, explaining that the city has changed 560 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: so much since the pandemic struck last year. She wrote, Guys, 561 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: La was terrible. We went back because we loved it 562 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: so much when we were there two years ago, but 563 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: it's not the same. It's changed so much since COVID. 564 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: The homelessness situation is so bad I can't even begin. 565 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: To describe it. 566 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: We drove past a lifeless body faced down in a 567 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: gutter outside a gas station on Melros. Fucking Melros. People 568 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: were driving and walking past it completely unbothered. It was horrific. 569 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't eat for the rest of the day after 570 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: seeing that. 571 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 2: I felt sick. 572 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: She then continued by saying that the crime rate is 573 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: up three hundred percent. Every Uber driver told us to beware, 574 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: don't wear anything flashy because people have been getting robbed 575 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: at gunpoint. She then continued saying, nowhere is safe. Even 576 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills is super dangerous and experiencing violent crimes daily. 577 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 2: The news over here is so different. 578 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: We don't hear about anything going on, so we booked 579 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: a stay here completely unaware. She then said that the 580 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: mayor of La just announced that any tourist wanting to 581 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: visit should stay away. She said, it's such a scary time. 582 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: We are so lucky in Australia. I will not be 583 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: coming back to LA or USA for a long time. 584 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: It's been horrifying. Gee, that's a totally different picture that 585 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: mia Plassic has been painting. She has been holidaying, well 586 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: holiday slash apparently working in the US, and she's been 587 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: saying how amazing it is since the pandemic, and it's 588 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: so much better than Australia, and it's totally different from 589 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: what Martha's saying. And I tend to believe Martha. Really, 590 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: it's quite interesting you say that, Kate, because I have 591 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,239 Speaker 1: noticed that mea pleasic, is actually in the UK at 592 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: the moment, she appears to be spending Christmas in Life London. 593 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: Yet to my knowledge, she hasn't actually expressed why that 594 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: is the case. And it's quite interesting because Martha said 595 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: that she and Michael were actually also contemplating going to 596 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: the UK. Originally, she said they had planned to do 597 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: ten days in New York, but due to the situation 598 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: and how unsafe they feel, they have canceled it. However, 599 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: now they have also canceled their trip to the UK 600 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: because they just said they can't risk it at the 601 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: moment with everything going on with Omicron. She said, the 602 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: UK are implementing more lockdown laws again, and we don't 603 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: want to be stuck away from our family for Christmas. 604 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: The truth is, it's just not a good time to travel. 605 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: We thought we would be fine. We didn't want COVID 606 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: to rule our lives, so we decided to come overseas. 607 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 1: It's funny because I saw all these influences flocking overseas, 608 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: and at first I was jealous. I was like, I 609 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: wish I could go, but there was a part of 610 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: me that I'm just so wary now and I feel 611 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: like the world is it's not fully recovered, like we're 612 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: still in the midst of this pandemic. There's a new 613 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: variant that's just come out that no one really knows 614 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: much about. And I do feel like it really is 615 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: a risk to travel at the moment. And I suppose 616 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: the people that have money, like the influencers, can take 617 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: a risk, But for people that don't holiday all the time, 618 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a risk that they're not going 619 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: to take because, as you say, their holiday could be 620 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: completely destroyed. 621 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing. 622 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: Obviously, It's not even just the health situation at the moment. 623 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at America, clearly they're having 624 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: social and economic implications from the pandemic, not just you know, 625 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: you're not just fearful of catching COVID over there, you're 626 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: fearful of getting robbed due to you know, jobless raps 627 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: over there. 628 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 2: And it's just a terrible situation. 629 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: And I do feel for the poor girl who's got 630 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: the trip plan in January, who's asked Martha, Oh, how. 631 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: How was the trip? 632 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly. Well, Martha was slammed by trolls who disagreed 633 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: with her grim portrayal of la and Martha actually hit back, 634 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: saying that it's only her experience that she can talk from, 635 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: and that if you don't agree with her, scroll on, 636 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: and that she's always had a great love for the US, 637 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: and that she grew up there. To be honest, though, 638 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: I thought La had a bad rap before COVID, because 639 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: I remember I went with the thirty six's and I 640 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: only stayed at the airport, but I remember everyone's like, Oh, 641 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: don't be envious, you don't actually want to go there. 642 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: It's shit. It's quite interesting timing because before we jumped 643 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: on the mics, I did see that. As an early 644 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: Christmas present, Madison Woolly has gifted her boyfriend who she's 645 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: back with, Jonathan Soer, two envelopes, and in one envelope 646 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: it said for the end of twenty twenty one, and 647 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: the second said for the start of twenty twenty two. 648 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: In the first envelope, they are spending New Year's together 649 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: at a very swanky event in Sydney at a hotel, 650 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: and then for New Years in January they're jetting off 651 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: to America. So I wonder if she's seen what Martha's 652 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: been saying about the current situation in America, because it 653 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: is very risky at the moment to be traveling, and 654 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: I personally am really happy that influencers are actually putting 655 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: out the reality of the travel situation, because it would 656 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: be very good and well for Martha to put out 657 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: glamorous shots of her over in the US and people 658 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: to assume things are just fine. Yeah. Well, I hope 659 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: they've got good travel insurance. 660 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's all we have time for. 661 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for today's episode. 662 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: If you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure 663 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: you are subscribed and leave us a rating and review, 664 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: And also please make sure you are part of our 665 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: Facebook community and you can join in the conversation on 666 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: Facebook at outspoken at the podcast community, and don't forget 667 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: to follow us on Instagram at Outspoken Underscore The Underscored 668 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: Podcast