Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr
Speaker 1: the Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before
Speaker 1: we get started on She's on the Money podcast, I
Speaker 1: would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land
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Speaker 1: acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming
Speaker 1: through as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing
Speaker 1: and the storytelling of you to make a difference for
Speaker 1: today and lasting impact for tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to is on the Money the podcast
Speaker 4: Millennials who want financial Freedom. Today is Friday, which means
Speaker 4: it's time to get the team together and celebrate you
Speaker 4: the incredible She's on the Money community. Today, I'm flying solo.
Speaker 4: I've been left to my own devices.
Speaker 2: Victoria's in Europe.
Speaker 4: You're sick, but fear not, because I do have someone
Speaker 4: ready to chime.
Speaker 2: You know, I know if you're at the pilot's seat
Speaker 2: and you've just announced to the people on the plane
Speaker 2: that you're flying solo. If I am the person that
Speaker 2: you want to stand up and go.
Speaker 4: I'll help you absolutely anyway. I will if anyone we
Speaker 4: want you. For those who don't recognize the iconic voice,
Speaker 4: we've got the wonderful Kate Langbrook joining us.
Speaker 2: I did jump the gun on introducing myself and chipping in,
Speaker 2: Oh any time, please do? Is this the rudder? Well,
Speaker 2: we do whatever.
Speaker 4: We want to make sure you put your own mask
Speaker 4: on first before you help those around you.
Speaker 2: I come, was it Scully? Tom Hanks? You know who
Speaker 2: landed the plane in the middle of the Hudson River?
Speaker 2: Sally Sally close O Scully is Yeah, the truth is
Speaker 2: out there. Look, Anna, Lisa has already proven herself to
Speaker 2: be invaluable.
Speaker 4: Absolutely as she always does. For those of you who
Speaker 4: don't know Caitline Brook, she's absolutely everywhere. You're a new podcaster, yes,
Speaker 4: comedian radio legend. You've truly done it all. So we're
Speaker 4: so excited to have you joining us today.
Speaker 2: I'm very happy because we have cohabited for many years.
Speaker 2: When I was doing the show with Hughsey, you guys,
Speaker 2: I think that was maybe before you came on board,
Speaker 2: But Victoria was always in with dog and the bow
Speaker 2: in its head.
Speaker 4: Lucy, she's an icon.
Speaker 2: She's stummy anyway. So, and I've always been quite intrigued
Speaker 2: by the pot.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It's a very good service, even though sometimes I find
Speaker 2: it shames me unwittingly.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, well, we're here for everyone. Everyone's on their
Speaker 4: own money journey, and so I'm so excited to pick
Speaker 4: your brain. Fear not everybody. We're going to stick to
Speaker 4: the usual format. So I've got some money wins to share.
Speaker 4: Beck set along some broke tips despite being away that
Speaker 4: I can share on her behalf as well, and then
Speaker 4: we're going to be answering a juicy money dilemma. This week,
Speaker 4: it's all about the fear of losing your identity when
Speaker 4: you become a new mum.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 4: I feel like that one's going to be a very very.
Speaker 2: Very deep, so interesting mm hmm.
Speaker 4: And then we're going to also unpack something that you
Speaker 4: slip into our DMS about which this week is talking
Speaker 4: about job security versus wonderlust, which I think is something
Speaker 4: a lot of people are thinking about. And I'm so
Speaker 4: excited to hear your thoughts because you did a huge
Speaker 4: move overseas to Italy, didn't you?
Speaker 2: Yes? For two years?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 2: With my husband and our four children.
Speaker 4: The whole vam. That would have been a huge change,
Speaker 4: huge I'm so excited to hear all about it. But
Speaker 4: we'll go in order. We'll stick to format, so I
Speaker 4: feel like I can't message up telling me you're the pilot,
Speaker 4: all right, everybody, I'm trying.
Speaker 2: The co pilot and Annalisa is going to come along
Speaker 2: with some peanuts and tomato juice.
Speaker 4: Serve them to our lovely gat but a very good
Speaker 4: at altitude.
Speaker 2: Apparently tomato juice drinks. Yeah, something about the salt.
Speaker 4: Oh, there you go. I never would have thought I
Speaker 4: don't love tomato.
Speaker 2: No one loves it. On the ground. Yeah, alone, in
Speaker 2: the air, bloody Mary's restorative. But in the air it
Speaker 2: comes into its own.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 2: The more you know, there's a tip, write that down, sustness.
Speaker 4: Somebody's scribbling in an somewhere. How has your week been, Kate?
Speaker 4: What have you been up to? I feel like you're
Speaker 4: one of those people who's out and about and doing things.
Speaker 2: This week is was unusual or last week was unusual
Speaker 2: for me because I was in Vietnam with a girlfriend
Speaker 2: of mine, amazing and we went for five days without husbands.
Speaker 2: Or boyfriends or children.
Speaker 4: Sounds like a dream.
Speaker 2: So we had. It was heavenly. It was heaven It
Speaker 2: was hot as eighties, was really humid. It was great,
Speaker 2: up to all kinds of mischief. What's your definition of missing?
Speaker 2: We enjoyed ourselves enormously. Put it that way.
Speaker 4: Oh wonderful, Oh that's beautiful. Well, I'm very it's been
Speaker 4: so rainy here in Melbourne.
Speaker 2: It's been Hey, it rained every day and hopes you
Speaker 2: meant did it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It did. It was that real tropical warm but rainy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the hair was just heavy all the time.
Speaker 4: Not good for the hair, very terrible for the hair.
Speaker 2: But you had to abandon, you know, when you're traveling
Speaker 2: in countries like that, in Asia particularly, and you have
Speaker 2: to abandon all notions of what traditionally like, what you'd
Speaker 2: look like when you go out or what you just
Speaker 2: have to embrace some sort of weird hippie chic look
Speaker 2: which is frizzled and frazzled and crumpled and a bit
Speaker 2: damn little bit the way you feel great.
Speaker 4: It's a return to your natural self. Though I feel
Speaker 4: like because you don't wear makeup, it's going to slide
Speaker 4: off your no point, it's it's very like, I feel
Speaker 4: like it's good for yourself.
Speaker 2: I it's fantastic, and you don't look in a mirror
Speaker 2: because there's only desolations. There was a mirror in at
Speaker 2: our hotel that was a magnifying mirror, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is great. I can pluck my eyebrows. But then
Speaker 2: and my girlfriend Alice said, I am not looking in
Speaker 2: that thing. And then I noticed as the week went past,
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, it's really bringing me.
Speaker 4: I feel like they're like those carnival mirrors because they
Speaker 4: warp you, yeh.
Speaker 2: And it's never good. It's never good.
Speaker 4: It's never ever fun to look at. Well, I'm very jealous.
Speaker 4: None of the last thing I would really like.
Speaker 2: It was great, and you would like it, you know
Speaker 2: why on this pod it's such a cheap holiday, really affordable,
Speaker 2: so great. You know. At one point we went to
Speaker 2: the Sieve, to the seven eleven or the circle k whatever,
Speaker 2: and we just got some snacks. We bought some beers,
Speaker 2: some snacks, some chips, some long needs to take home
Speaker 2: to the kids, you know, strange you know, Vietnamese lollies.
Speaker 2: And when we got the bill, we were like, because
Speaker 2: we're always converting from dong Obviously we went was that
Speaker 2: twelve dollars.
Speaker 6: It was twelve dollars for four beers and this is
Speaker 6: like a one beer yeah, correct, where there's always inflation
Speaker 6: in a sieve because of the twenty four hour nature
Speaker 6: of them and capitalism of course.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we were like, it's incredible, incredible.
Speaker 4: Wow, It's like that in Japan too. Seven eleven we
Speaker 4: lived at the seven eleven. I know Beck has just
Speaker 4: got back from Japan and I'm sure she had the
Speaker 4: same experience where you walk in and it's just like
Speaker 4: a mecca of fun things.
Speaker 2: And they've got great food at seven elevens in Japan.
Speaker 4: If for seven eleven here was like the seven eleven
Speaker 4: over there. An interesting tidbit, I believe seven eleven Australia
Speaker 4: has just been bought by the same company that owns
Speaker 4: seven Japan really or recently, when I say just but random,
Speaker 4: hopefully ours become more like theirs. I would buy my
Speaker 4: dinner at the eleven.
Speaker 2: Insteads because the food's beautiful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they had like full meals chicken katsu like but
Speaker 4: really healthy good food. Y're delicious, So like, if you
Speaker 4: had that option, you wouldn't go to like a Macca's
Speaker 4: or something, you know, late at night, when you just go.
Speaker 2: You only go to KFC as they do Christmas. You know,
Speaker 2: that's the traditional Christmas thing in Japan.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a massive thing for Christmas.
Speaker 4: I did not know.
Speaker 2: They might not even celebrate Christmas, but they certainly celebrate KFC.
Speaker 4: I can absolutely get a moment that because if there's
Speaker 4: one thing I like.
Speaker 2: Oh look we're off and flying.
Speaker 4: We are one of these same you know who else
Speaker 4: is one of the same. But she's on the money community.
Speaker 4: They're always picking up the vibes. They've always got some
Speaker 4: money wins to share. So let me give you a
Speaker 4: couple from the group this week. There were some goodies. Firstly,
Speaker 4: Brianna said, money win. I purchased some special edition books
Speaker 4: from Amazon for one hundred and fifty dollars. Very expensive books,
Speaker 4: but obviously she was excited, she said. Instead, Amazon sent
Speaker 4: me two bottles of cast oil. Had no books classic.
Speaker 2: Wow, Castor oil is great though I'm big on cast Yeah,
Speaker 2: Castor oil is great.
Speaker 4: Oh there you go, she said, marked it as a
Speaker 4: return and sent them back because obviously it wasn't what
Speaker 4: I ordered, and they refunded the money, and then two
Speaker 4: days later the books turned up money Win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic and very hard to get one over Amazon capitally.
Speaker 4: As we were saying, on.
Speaker 2: A yacht to meet, he'll be so.
Speaker 4: Angry shaken in his boot. Next, I've got a money
Speaker 4: in from Gemma, who said it's my birthday month, so
Speaker 4: I've been utilizing lots and lots of freebies. Yesterday she
Speaker 4: went out with her son and got a free Gloria
Speaker 4: Jeans chiller. She said she's gotten three drinks so far
Speaker 4: this month. And as someone whose birthday is coming up soon,
Speaker 4: I just want to remind everyone go through freebies. I
Speaker 4: saw a TikTok of a girl the other day who
Speaker 4: collected everything that she was in, like she'd signed up
Speaker 4: to every list she could think of, and she got
Speaker 4: like twelve meals over the course of two day. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because it's so well organized, though, Yeah, they tend to
Speaker 4: get lost in your thirty six thousand, you know, I
Speaker 4: know forty six forty six actually, and I deleted three
Speaker 4: thousand them over summer and I'm going to delete one
Speaker 4: thousand a day and that lasted three days.
Speaker 2: Three days, and they were a renewable resource.
Speaker 4: I wonder do you ever hit a point where they go,
Speaker 4: no more emails for you? No, they don't until No,
Speaker 4: they don't, not yet anyway.
Speaker 2: And the other thing is vouchers don't even you must
Speaker 2: talk about vouchers on this show. But vouchers are just
Speaker 2: such a punishment for me. Why like boucher, Yeah, give vouchers.
Speaker 2: I reckon, I've had Look, I don't even known the
Speaker 2: money value, but I've had one hundred expired vouchers that
Speaker 2: I've never used.
Speaker 4: Interesting fact, few it's actually illegal for vouchers to expire.
Speaker 4: They can put an expiring wail on them, but they
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: But then, okay, so riddle me this. You're going to
Speaker 2: have a massage. You just had an argument with the
Speaker 2: person who runs the message. Oh, I was going to
Speaker 2: say massage, but about you, like you cannot? I know
Speaker 2: it's illegal for you the a triple C blo blah.
Speaker 2: And then you're going to go into a darkened room
Speaker 2: and that person's going to rub you. How's that going
Speaker 2: to go? Well?
Speaker 4: I mean usually you have the conversation afterwards. I would imagine.
Speaker 2: Negatingating the relaxed, deeper axation you've enjoyed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to be relaxed first and then I'll
Speaker 4: get angry afterwards. But hopefully usually I feel when you
Speaker 4: say just so, you know, you actually can't do that.
Speaker 2: Okay, So does that mean if you've got a voucher
Speaker 2: from ten years ago?
Speaker 4: Theoretically I think so. I mean you would have to
Speaker 4: double check the website in case the law.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, because I know they changed the law.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it would potentially be from the date.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, too late for me. They're all they're custom
Speaker 2: all they gone now even now when I get one,
Speaker 2: thanks straight in the bin, because I know that it's
Speaker 2: just gonna be clatter on. Never end up using Oh,
Speaker 2: you know, regift.
Speaker 4: Terrible regift is the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good idea. I have given book vouchers to my
Speaker 2: husband's mother. He's very well organized.
Speaker 4: I'm sure she wouldn't say no to the massage ranches either. Next,
Speaker 4: I've got a money linking staves you from being in
Speaker 4: the awkward position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, she can have the argument.
Speaker 4: Exactly like, not my problem anymore. Next, I've got a
Speaker 4: money in from Steph who said she's in the process
Speaker 4: of making her home office a more functional and inviting space.
Speaker 4: She got on marketplace to sort it out, and instead
Speaker 4: of paying four hundred dollars for a desk with storage draws,
Speaker 4: she paid one hundred. She got a printer for forty
Speaker 4: bucks and an Apple Mouse for thirty, which means the
Speaker 4: whole office is done for about one hundred and seventy dollars.
Speaker 2: You know what, I don't want the free printer. I
Speaker 2: want the free ink.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's never that anywhere.
Speaker 2: Racket, isn't it. The racket is they'll sell you the
Speaker 2: printer for nothing and charge you an arm and leg
Speaker 2: on a subscription service for ink.
Speaker 4: Near like a laser printer or something where it can
Speaker 4: just never run out.
Speaker 2: That a laser printer run out of me.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just assumed, quite possibly. I think it's getting the
Speaker 2: ink from Is it like I thought the laser like
Speaker 2: three D printer that it just makes itself?
Speaker 4: I mean, you can tell that I don't print a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: Hang on this, can we because she's laughing at these annals?
Speaker 2: Can you just shed some light here? Because I think
Speaker 2: we've taken a dark turn.
Speaker 4: I assumed that the laser was like lasering.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it does it with
Speaker 2: laser focus, but it's still I think I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: it needs.
Speaker 4: That's a million dollar.
Speaker 7: That is insane. Also for as smart as you are,
Speaker 7: that that is incredible. You've got that laser printers read
Speaker 7: the electronic data from your computer and being this information
Speaker 7: to a drum inside the printer, which builds up a
Speaker 7: pattern of a static electricity which attracts a dry powder
Speaker 7: called tona onto the paper.
Speaker 2: So no ink, no, but you got to fill out
Speaker 2: the your tona.
Speaker 4: Well, there you go. It's like in the middle.
Speaker 2: I think in the middle. I don't think anyone.
Speaker 4: Was going to say I wasn't wrong, and you're.
Speaker 2: Going to get the mail. You're going to get the
Speaker 2: mail on it.
Speaker 4: It's a blue job, I think.
Speaker 2: I think so not a pink.
Speaker 4: One next day, whatt a money in from Emma who
Speaker 4: said I was recently in the US and I did
Speaker 4: some shopping while I was there. Duh. In some shops
Speaker 4: you can choose to pay with local currency or the
Speaker 4: payment origin currency. She said it was really handy to
Speaker 4: keep track of the exchange rate, so she knew it
Speaker 4: was almost always cheaper to buy in the local currency
Speaker 4: rather than having the retailer do the exchange. She said
Speaker 4: that plus using a travel card meant she didn't pay
Speaker 4: any of those sneaky fees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my girlfriend just did this when we were in Vietnam.
Speaker 2: She had a card not revolute, but it was one
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, and it was so great.
Speaker 4: I think if you're using a bank card that is
Speaker 4: charging you international transaction fees, you are giving your money
Speaker 4: away for free. I think it is so really okay.
Speaker 4: I don't know you can download.
Speaker 2: The whys you can. I know that there are I
Speaker 2: know that there are systems, but predominantly the system. The
Speaker 2: system is aimed at people like me who are like
Speaker 2: I don't know time, I'm just gonna do you take
Speaker 2: visa and then when you get home, you're like plus plus.
Speaker 4: Their exchange you get like six hundred like inside one
Speaker 4: dollar aures me. There are a lot of apps you
Speaker 4: can do it on your phone.
Speaker 2: Put that with the voucher jobs.
Speaker 4: The list. And then we've been asking our guests when
Speaker 4: they come on, you're part of the family, you're here
Speaker 4: with us, do you happen to have your own money
Speaker 4: win or confession that you could well?
Speaker 2: Speaking of overseas shopping, I think that I had one
Speaker 2: last week when I was in Hochi Minh. Yes, this
Speaker 2: is kind of a win but also a loss. But
Speaker 2: it's a win because I had a holiday. It's a
Speaker 2: loss because it's expensive, because you're going on a holiday, Yes,
Speaker 2: but because I've got four kids, three boys and a daughter,
Speaker 2: and they just burned through runners like nobody's business, because
Speaker 2: that's all anyone wears now, and so many runners are
Speaker 2: made in Vietnam. So I got them all. I got
Speaker 2: them Birkenstocks. I got them runners for a fraction of
Speaker 2: what you would pay here. One of them was a
Speaker 2: dodgy copy, but the others were really good quality. Yea fantastic,
Speaker 2: So I think that was a win.
Speaker 4: That's a money win for sure.
Speaker 2: Even though if you looked at my Visa car plus
Speaker 2: yeah correct, correct pass, three dollars, seventeen conversion feet, et cetera,
Speaker 2: you would think I can't see the win. My dad
Speaker 2: always said, when Mum would go shopping, and Mum was
Speaker 2: always big on sales, you go, look what I got, honey.
Speaker 2: I was reduced and reduced further, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Dad would always say Dutch, you know, he would say,
Speaker 2: show me the money you've saved.
Speaker 4: Oh, where is it?
Speaker 2: Show me that? Yeah, where is it?
Speaker 4: That's very clever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very clever.
Speaker 4: We say when there's a sale, if you buy it
Speaker 4: on say, we're still spending money on it.
Speaker 2: So that's what he was saying, although he spoke more
Speaker 2: in Dutch riddles. Oh yeah, but yeah, so that was
Speaker 2: definitely a win.
Speaker 4: Well, but your kids would have been stoked. I feel
Speaker 4: like that's the best part of someone coming home from holiday,
Speaker 4: especially parents knowing that they're bringing a big old so
Speaker 4: they were.
Speaker 2: So happy they couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: Some of the year after that, I.
Speaker 2: Know it was really good, and it was a lot
Speaker 2: of work because the shop for six people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of room in your suitcase shoes.
Speaker 2: I took an empty I put a suitcase in a suitcase.
Speaker 2: That's so smart. We came back with two full suitcases.
Speaker 4: I had to do the airport shuffle the last time
Speaker 4: I traveled because they would not let me. They were
Speaker 4: going to charge me, Like.
Speaker 2: A, h did you have to repack it?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: I hate the humiliation.
Speaker 4: My friends had to open their suit Yeah.
Speaker 2: There of who's got on pretty much.
Speaker 4: I was like, just make sure my undis don't go
Speaker 4: in anyone else's case. And apart from that, it's fine.
Speaker 2: And I love the way in that situation we all
Speaker 2: totally abandon the rule of never let anyone put anything
Speaker 2: in your luggage, just like I can't put it in.
Speaker 4: Just get us out of this line and away from
Speaker 4: the embarrassment of unpacking it in front of her. Absolutely, well,
Speaker 4: that sounds like I'm going to call it a money win,
Speaker 4: not a money lost. Thank you. I think it was so.
Speaker 2: I felt like it was a win.
Speaker 4: It definitely and.
Speaker 2: Also saved me time here because you know, where do
Speaker 2: you go here? You've got three shops.
Speaker 4: It's overwhelming too. If you go on a weekend, it's
Speaker 4: also busy, horrendous. It can't shops on the weekend, and
Speaker 4: not for me now. Wonderful Beck, who couldn't be here
Speaker 4: today unfortunately, did still share some of her broke tips
Speaker 4: for us to share with the community. Thank you so much, Beck.
Speaker 4: So let me give you what she sent over.
Speaker 2: If it's pick a bunch of rosemary and put it
Speaker 2: in a pot, I've already done well. I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: thought of it it wasn't for her. It does enrage
Speaker 2: me when I go to the supermarket and I have
Speaker 2: to buy herbs.
Speaker 4: For like eight dollars a packet.
Speaker 2: Crazy. Okay, some herbs, some I believe are worth the money.
Speaker 2: I never quibble about basil. Yes, like I've grown basil.
Speaker 2: It's hard. The snails love basil. It's only seasonal. But
Speaker 2: when you have to pay four dollars a bunch for
Speaker 2: rosemary that grows like a.
Speaker 4: Weed and you can find it anywhere, it's.
Speaker 2: In hedges everywhere, enrages me.
Speaker 4: I completely agree, completely agree, Okay, hit me all right.
Speaker 4: First one from back, very very smart from her. But
Speaker 4: it's read the ingredients on your medications and check if
Speaker 4: there is a non name brand alternative. And now I
Speaker 4: know my pharmacist does this. When I go, they say,
Speaker 4: do you want.
Speaker 2: To do a generic?
Speaker 4: Correct? Because it's exactly the same thing. And I just
Speaker 4: had never considered that there was anybody out there who
Speaker 4: was saying no to the generic. If I wannest like
Speaker 4: to there exact same ingredients like pharmacist makes them.
Speaker 2: Why do people say no to generics?
Speaker 4: I can't imagine. I mean maybe they feel comfortable, like
Speaker 4: you know how sometimes it's like a yeah, you know
Speaker 4: the name brand of something, so you prefer it even
Speaker 4: if it is the same thing. But yeah, if you
Speaker 4: didn't know that by the generic people, surely next Beck
Speaker 4: has a brute tip that was submitted to us by Morgan,
Speaker 4: and Morgan said, always activate the bonus offers in your
Speaker 4: flybys app before doing a grocery shot. So if you
Speaker 4: didn't know, there's an app that goes with flybyers and
Speaker 4: they bring up like special challenges and offers, so you
Speaker 4: might get bonus points if you buy this specific.
Speaker 2: I don't do flybys.
Speaker 4: You don't like flybys?
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I love them, I just don't do them.
Speaker 2: I don't do any loyalty.
Speaker 4: Cards, life admin stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't do any of that. And I've got it.
Speaker 2: We've got a friend me and my husband who's in
Speaker 2: love with his Woolworth. He's always just send you a screenshots,
Speaker 2: got ten dollars off. It's become like a thing. That
Speaker 2: and photos of macarons we've seen to each other because
Speaker 2: we have a universal hatred of macarons, the most overrated.
Speaker 2: You don't like macaron hideous, horrible Master chef challenge, sure,
Speaker 2: but for eating interesting, very pretty for eating No.
Speaker 4: Okay, I agree to disagree on that.
Speaker 2: You can have all the macarons.
Speaker 4: But you know what, maybe we're a good match. Like
Speaker 4: I'll eat all the Macarens and you can eat.
Speaker 2: All of what is your preferred anything.
Speaker 4: Okay, well you can have whatever the other.
Speaker 2: Option else I'll have everything else, and i'd like something savory.
Speaker 4: Actually, see, I'm a sweet person. So we're a good balance.
Speaker 2: We'd like Jack Spratt and his wife Millennial show could
Speaker 2: eat no fat, his wife could eat no lean. So
Speaker 2: together then they licked the platter clean.
Speaker 4: Oh there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be and you can. Oh no, I'm also
Speaker 2: but oh okay, I'm but everything that's not macarons.
Speaker 4: Okay, perfect. Oh my goodness. Fly bais is great. I'm
Speaker 4: a Flybys fiend. If you didn't know, I got a
Speaker 4: kitchen aid for free with my point. They're like eight
Speaker 4: hundred dollars to buy one of those. I love it
Speaker 4: because I love tabab Yes, I love my kitchen aid media.
Speaker 4: It's the best thing.
Speaker 2: But did you get it?
Speaker 4: I got white? It's just so boring they did it
Speaker 4: is classic? What color is yours?
Speaker 2: I've got orange?
Speaker 4: Oh, yours is much more.
Speaker 2: I've got orange. But I think we got ours is
Speaker 2: really old. Yeah, because we got it for a wedding present,
Speaker 2: and the motor burnt out on it last year and
Speaker 2: people were like, you need a new kitchen aid. I
Speaker 2: think I was. I put up a video on social
Speaker 2: some of it because it was jumping all over the
Speaker 2: counter like it was walking. You couldn't just leave it
Speaker 2: beating and you had to watch it. And people said, oh,
Speaker 2: you need a new kitchen aid, and I went, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I don't need a new kitchen EID.
Speaker 2: And then we found this company. Someone sets told me
Speaker 2: on X there's a company that replaces all parts of
Speaker 2: amazing kitchen of plants is took it to them beautiful
Speaker 2: new kitchen eight.
Speaker 4: When did we stop defaulting to repairing something instead of replacing,
Speaker 4: because this is something.
Speaker 2: When toasters became ten dollars, Well.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. Like it's so interesting to think about
Speaker 4: the habits that my parents had versus what I had.
Speaker 2: And mending and yeah, like.
Speaker 4: I recently started getting into sewing and you know, repairing
Speaker 4: clothes instead of just replacing them. And I think it's
Speaker 4: really interesting because like financially, like some of us, you
Speaker 4: are buying the cheaper option sometimes because that's what's within
Speaker 4: our means and that's so fine, but let's think about
Speaker 4: trying to repair those items when we can instead of
Speaker 4: just buying a new one because you can because it's cheap.
Speaker 2: I feel like when my mum comes over and mum's
Speaker 2: a really good dana, Mum does we save all our
Speaker 2: buttons that need all our gyms that need doing. She
Speaker 2: does all of that when she comes over and she
Speaker 2: darned one of Peter's socks, right, and the kids were
Speaker 2: watching her like she was a witch. They were like,
Speaker 2: what is this? Yeah, but also they were a little
Speaker 2: bit contemptuous of it. Well, because people are so disposable
Speaker 2: with their thinking. Even though they're the generation that are
Speaker 2: really reuse, recycle, repair and everything z coo at school,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't occur to them to fix a sock.
Speaker 4: As a country, we are the number one worst country
Speaker 4: for fast fashion in the world. Yeah, for how many
Speaker 4: we purchase like really per capita or whatever in America
Speaker 4: more than America and we're a smaller country.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was like a report recently which I think
Speaker 4: is crazy and that speaks totally to exactly what you're
Speaker 4: saying about. How yeah, we just go oh buying new
Speaker 4: sock how hard can it be? But it's actually quite
Speaker 4: easy and more cost effective to learn to fix or
Speaker 4: to put a new motor in something that breaks, or
Speaker 4: to do whatever you have.
Speaker 2: So thrilled with a new motor in the kitchen aid.
Speaker 2: And then we've got a dog by the way that
Speaker 2: started his adorable But he's a chewer. Oh no, And
Speaker 2: so he's chewed. He chewed through the cord of my
Speaker 2: blow dry that was in my daughter's room and is
Speaker 2: chewed through. He's just chewed cords. Yeah. So now we
Speaker 2: have to find someone because I said to Peter, he's
Speaker 2: chewed too many things to replace them. Yeah, and the
Speaker 2: blow dry was a really good blow dryer. I'm not
Speaker 2: just gonna yeah. Also, there's nothing wrong with it other than.
Speaker 4: A dog got the cord.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So, and you know, there used to
Speaker 2: be all those little places like that always have a
Speaker 2: dusty VCR in the window that they always had electrical
Speaker 2: repairs written on the world, some sort of curved writing.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't until I went to look for one
Speaker 2: of those. I went, I'm sure I've seen them. I
Speaker 2: went to look for one, I realized how rare they are.
Speaker 4: One of the things that maybe's disappeared over time because
Speaker 4: everyone was using them. That's so sad.
Speaker 2: Anyway, well, let's have a moment of silence. Where are
Speaker 2: those electrical repair I'm going to say, mean, I never
Speaker 2: encountered a woman? What happened to them?
Speaker 4: Maybe they just retired that generation they all sold up
Speaker 4: and no one our age is doing it anymore.
Speaker 2: Now they're selling ten dollars toasters. They're like, what did
Speaker 2: I waste my life on?
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, Well, if anyone knows a good person
Speaker 4: in Melbourne, let us know. But I think that's a
Speaker 4: perfect spot for us to head to a really quick break,
Speaker 4: and when we come back on the other side, we're
Speaker 4: going to talk about owning your identity and balancing that
Speaker 4: with becoming a new parent, as well as whether or
Speaker 4: not you should put your job and your security above
Speaker 4: your desire to travel. Don't go anywhere, guys, Light chit chat,
Speaker 4: Welcome back, everybody. Let's take a listen to this week's
Speaker 4: money dilemma.
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Speaker 4: Hi guys, I'm about.
Speaker 2: To you on Matt Lee.
Speaker 5: I'm pregnant with my first baby. My partner and I
Speaker 5: went through a few rounds of IVF treatment, so we're
Speaker 5: super stoked to be on this journey.
Speaker 4: Prove it a context.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty high up at a tech business, and the
Speaker 5: further along my pregnancy is going, I am freaking out.
Speaker 4: It's kind of creeping up on me.
Speaker 5: How much is expected of women, How we have to
Speaker 5: be mum, career and like we have to thrive in
Speaker 5: all of those different areas of life, and how I
Speaker 5: guess do we balance it? So, I guess I just
Speaker 5: wanted to call to get a bit of inside or
Speaker 5: guidance or just like a bit of a pep talk.
Speaker 4: So yeah, thanks.
Speaker 2: That's a big dilemma.
Speaker 4: It's a million dollar question, really, isn't it?
Speaker 2: And also now is not the time. There's a few
Speaker 2: things in that. One is the creeping worry that you
Speaker 2: have and also because she said she's just come off
Speaker 2: over the IF, so she's had a lot of hormones.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of surging hormones. So if you can
Speaker 2: just kind of mentally put that to one side, which
Speaker 2: you probably can't because they're surging hormones. But it is
Speaker 2: a time often where you have the dual train track,
Speaker 2: which is happiness and expectation and fear and expectation traveling simultaneously.
Speaker 2: Your life is going to change. If you don't want
Speaker 2: your life to change, don't have a child. Well that's
Speaker 2: really what it is, right, But in my experience, and
Speaker 2: I have four children, what you learn about yourself happens
Speaker 2: in surrendering to that. So the more you rally against
Speaker 2: these fears, which at this point are unseen, the fears
Speaker 2: you have here are the biggest fears that you'll ever face.
Speaker 2: Mostly that there is an element of surrendering when you
Speaker 2: have a child, and particularly if you're a woman who's
Speaker 2: been on a career trajectory, that's quite formalized.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very clear cart in your stay.
Speaker 2: Yeah that when you have a child, everything is the
Speaker 2: opposite of that. Yeah, and you actually have to follow
Speaker 2: the baby. The baby A girlfriend of mine said before
Speaker 2: I had my first child, the baby will tell you
Speaker 2: what it needs. And it was the best advice also
Speaker 2: because it meant that you could surrender to it, and
Speaker 2: so I wasn't one of those people that was like, well,
Speaker 2: that's to it.
Speaker 4: The baby's got to get up waking up, and it is.
Speaker 2: He's got a feed on you minutes and just and
Speaker 2: in my experience, the less that you can try and
Speaker 2: be regimented, the happier you will be and the baby
Speaker 2: will be. The baby is only instinct when it's born,
Speaker 2: and everything the baby knows it's learnt from you. And
Speaker 2: because they're all antenna they pick up on They're very vibrational,
Speaker 2: I think, and so ill health aside. Anything that problems
Speaker 2: the baby has, eating, sleeping, la la is probably down
Speaker 2: to you. So the more relaxed and the more animal
Speaker 2: you can be in your instincts towards the baby, which
Speaker 2: is just loving and warm and soft and comforting and
Speaker 2: healing yourself as well, because it's a massive physical labor
Speaker 2: to have a baby, no matter what way you have it.
Speaker 2: I think part of the beauty of it is what
Speaker 2: when you see someone who's quite linear in their life
Speaker 2: and their thinking become more rounded in that sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: often that's chaotic and you don't feel great.
Speaker 4: And that's okay, Like that's part of the experience.
Speaker 2: Part of it, it's really part of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's very normal. I'm at the age
Speaker 4: where a few of my friends are having kids now
Speaker 4: and on seconds or thirds, and I think a lot
Speaker 4: of them have experienced what our listener is that nervousness. Yeah,
Speaker 4: particularly I think at your first child, because as you
Speaker 4: were saying, you're really going into the unknown. You have
Speaker 4: no idea what to expect. Everyone's probably giving you their
Speaker 4: two cents about how to have birth and how to
Speaker 4: raise the kid and what to do when you're taking
Speaker 4: in all of this information, plus the hormones that you
Speaker 4: were you know you mentioned and all of those things. Congratulations,
Speaker 4: by the way, that's.
Speaker 2: Really bron It's fantastic.
Speaker 4: That's really wonderful. I think, firstly, just acknowledging that that's
Speaker 4: so normal for you to feel that way, and it's
Speaker 4: something that only I think the people who are going
Speaker 4: through that experience can understand, Like parents who aren't giving
Speaker 4: birth can still I think empathize with you or sympathize
Speaker 4: with you. But I think that from what I've seen
Speaker 4: with my friends. Obviously I haven't gone through it myself,
Speaker 4: but I think that it is such a unique experience,
Speaker 4: and that existential feeling that you're having is coming from
Speaker 4: the unknown and also maybe from that fear of letting
Speaker 4: go because as women, we know statistically more often than
Speaker 4: not after childbirth we end up on the back foot
Speaker 4: in terms of our career growth, in terms of our finances,
Speaker 4: in terms of our super and so I can imagine
Speaker 4: that there's maybe a little bit of fear around that,
Speaker 4: especially if you've done a lot of work on your
Speaker 4: financial situation in the lead up to the baby.
Speaker 2: And it's an act of trust that for a certain
Speaker 2: period of time you're not going to be able to work. Yes,
Speaker 2: you have to turn to your partner possibly to bridge
Speaker 2: that gap. Yeah, it's a really vulnerable time for a
Speaker 2: woman and the baby and in fact the whole relationship.
Speaker 2: So a friend of mine once said, having a baby
Speaker 2: is like throwing a bomb in your relationship, well, because
Speaker 2: it just blows all the bits up in the air
Speaker 2: and then you see where they land. Parts of it
Speaker 2: are thrilling and beautiful and exciting, and parts of it
Speaker 2: are really frightening and confronting and exhausting and whatever. But
Speaker 2: there's nothing in life that I've ever done that was
Speaker 2: good that wasn't hard, Like nothing, literally nothing, Like when
Speaker 2: I get up to go to boot camp or yoga
Speaker 2: or whatever, it's hard every time I do it. It's hard
Speaker 2: when I go shopping for six people, it's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard, but you find the value in the hardness
Speaker 2: of it, which sometimes I think we're a little bit
Speaker 2: inclined to avoid in our comfortable lives.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you've got to go through the hard to
Speaker 4: appreciate the good into.
Speaker 2: A pre well and to make something good absolutely, like, really,
Speaker 2: you're doing the work if if someone who's having children
Speaker 2: is doing the work of the nation, it's beautiful work,
Speaker 2: but it's work.
Speaker 4: Being a parent is absolutely work. It can be a
Speaker 4: full time job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a full time job, whether or not
Speaker 2: you've already got another full time job, exactly a time job.
Speaker 2: And also, I say this now, my eldest is twenty
Speaker 2: and my youngest is fourteen, and it seems to be
Speaker 2: a job that doesn't stop.
Speaker 4: Yeah you think at eighteen maybe, oh.
Speaker 2: Sort of thought. And it does happen to a certain extent,
Speaker 2: But I remember when the kids were really little, and
Speaker 2: of course because we had four under six, so everywhere
Speaker 2: we went it was kind of like a mini circus
Speaker 2: that no one wanted to buy tickets to. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was just solicited a lot of attention wherever we went.
Speaker 2: And there was a thing that my girlfriend and I
Speaker 2: were talking about recently where older women, God bless the
Speaker 2: older women would come up to you and they'd always
Speaker 2: talk about the kids, and you know, with that nostalgia
Speaker 2: of someone who's been through it and saying a lot,
Speaker 2: and they would always say this, and at the time
Speaker 2: it really annoyed me. They would say, little children, little problems,
Speaker 2: big children, big problems, and it really enraged me and
Speaker 2: my girlfriends at the time. Everyone had experienced it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and now that the kids are older, we're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we get it. Ah, we get it.
Speaker 4: We understand, we.
Speaker 2: Understand, we understand.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think I would say to our listener, just
Speaker 4: on the career, note, your career does not need to
Speaker 4: end when you have children, and it's totally up to
Speaker 4: you how you would approach that. You made choose to
Speaker 4: become a stay at home parent, and that's awesome and
Speaker 4: that's totally fine. But I think there is this idea
Speaker 4: that women hit almost an expiration date, and I think
Speaker 4: that is tied very closely to the you know, the
Speaker 4: older ideal that women would their only purpose was to
Speaker 4: have the children's day home and keep the house and
Speaker 4: blah blah, which obviously we've moved well and truly past that.
Speaker 4: But I think that there are so many people that
Speaker 4: have achieved incredible things in their forties, in their fifties,
Speaker 4: in their sixties, and if they had stopped pursuing what
Speaker 4: they wanted in their earlier life, as you were saying,
Speaker 4: if they hadn't gone through the hard they never would
Speaker 4: have got there. And so I think I would just
Speaker 4: say I understand the fearfulness around your career and how
Speaker 4: having children will impact that, but there are hundreds of
Speaker 4: thousands of parents all around the world who are making
Speaker 4: it work and who are more than that. Probably. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was going to say, I'm going across Australia, and
Speaker 4: then I went the world, and then I just there's
Speaker 4: a lot of people out there. The aliens are probably
Speaker 4: doing it too. It can work, and I understand that
Speaker 4: it's scary, but I think like really communicating with your
Speaker 4: partner and being open about what you need and what
Speaker 4: you want it's true, and making sure that you're on
Speaker 4: the same page because you are so entitled to pursue
Speaker 4: whatever feels right for you and you know your family,
Speaker 4: and I just want to say that you can totally
Speaker 4: do it, even if it maybe feels like that might
Speaker 4: be hard.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it feels impossible, and other times. I remember the
Speaker 2: first time going back to work with a baby, it
Speaker 2: feels like there should be a Hallelujah chorus thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you walk in the door, it is such.
Speaker 2: It feels like an act of victory, but it's hard.
Speaker 2: One victory you know by the time you get out
Speaker 2: the door, and often it'll be the first time in
Speaker 2: a month or months since you've been able to do that,
Speaker 2: like without another little person on you. It's an amazing thing. Also,
Speaker 2: when you go back to work, I think you tend
Speaker 2: to have a newfound respect for the women that came
Speaker 2: before you. And I say women because I just don't
Speaker 2: think the relationship is the same for men in a
Speaker 2: physical sense and for the women that came before you
Speaker 2: that have done that. You kind of look around the
Speaker 2: office and people look a bit different. Who have you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: you've done this. Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's just incredible. So I think I hope
Speaker 4: that that pep talk is what.
Speaker 2: You needed, because we're incredible what we do, absolutely and
Speaker 2: there's no world without us, not at all. We just
Speaker 2: can't completely give up the sense of our world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hold on to your own identities.
Speaker 2: It'll still be but your identity will evolve.
Speaker 4: And that's okay. Fantastic, fantastic, incredible. Now I do have
Speaker 4: if you've got time, We've still got our Instagram dilemma
Speaker 4: to get you. So let me read to me, let
Speaker 4: me read you. When our listener said, they said, hello,
Speaker 4: she's on the money. I want to talk to you
Speaker 4: about a topic that I'm really struggling with right now,
Speaker 4: work security versus wanderlust. I've been in a great job
Speaker 4: now for three and a half years. It pays well,
Speaker 4: and I have a clear career trajectory, but I'm aching
Speaker 4: to move overseas for a bit, and I feel I
Speaker 4: would regret if I never took a chance and did it.
Speaker 4: I want to experience adventure and be pushed outside my
Speaker 4: comfort zone by moving overseas, but at the same time,
Speaker 4: my comfort zone is what gives me work security and
Speaker 4: a good income so I can one day achieve my goals.
Speaker 4: Making this move will likely see me burn through my
Speaker 4: savings and leave a good but pouring job behind. How
Speaker 4: do I decide what the right move is? Are there
Speaker 4: some things that I should keep into consideration when making
Speaker 4: this decision? Any help or words of wisdom would be appreciated. Oh,
Speaker 4: and I feel like this is truly your time to
Speaker 4: shine because you've been there and done that. How did
Speaker 4: you make the choice to move overseas and pick up
Speaker 4: your whole family and leave what you knew behind?
Speaker 2: I think if you're writing that, you already know what
Speaker 2: the answer is. Yeah, she's answered all her own questions,
Speaker 2: which is and some people have got I didn't really
Speaker 2: have a yearning like and I've written a book about
Speaker 2: this chow bella six take Italy sometimes Italy took. But
Speaker 2: I talk about that in the book because it was
Speaker 2: I think it's easy for people to say, if you
Speaker 2: dream it, you can do it. I didn't really dream
Speaker 2: it in the sense that it was a dream that
Speaker 2: I'd had for fifteen years or whatever. It really came
Speaker 2: from a casual conversation with my husband on our first
Speaker 2: ever trip to Italy, which was only two years before
Speaker 2: we moved there, or three years before we moved there,
Speaker 2: that both of us had a desire for a different
Speaker 2: experience of life. And we've got a beautiful life here,
Speaker 2: but there was something about it that we wanted both
Speaker 2: of us to experience something different. And once that seed
Speaker 2: was planted, that just grew, and it grew like Jack
Speaker 2: and the bean Stalk, And even when I thought it
Speaker 2: wasn't and we were just immersed in our daily life,
Speaker 2: which was intense, and an Australian family life, it's intense.
Speaker 2: Even if you don't have a family, it's intense. But
Speaker 2: I just had to do it. Yeah, we had to
Speaker 2: do it, and it was the greatest thing we've ever done.
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: And also, going back to our conversation previously, also one
Speaker 2: of the hardest things I've ever done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because nothing worth having is easy. Exactly how did
Speaker 4: you go about figuring out the logistics of like career
Speaker 4: and stuff, because you had a huge, incredible.
Speaker 2: Well that was interesting because I had said too when
Speaker 2: we decided it was going to happen, and initially my
Speaker 2: husband Peter said to me, oh, it would be great
Speaker 2: to do this, he said, but you'll never be able
Speaker 2: to give up work and I said I would and
Speaker 2: he was like, I don't think you could. And he
Speaker 2: wasn't saying it as a challenge, he was just like,
Speaker 2: because you love your job. So I was doing drive
Speaker 2: radio at the time with Hughsey, So my first conversation
Speaker 2: was with Hughsey to tell him, yeah, he didn't take it. Well,
Speaker 2: oh no, because Hugh does understand. He didn't understand any
Speaker 2: of that yearning. Because Husey is a workaholic. He's in
Speaker 2: aholic of many times, like he loves giving stuff up,
Speaker 2: but he could never give up work, and so he
Speaker 2: couldn't even understand when I he was like, what are
Speaker 2: you going to do all day? And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what are you going to do all day in Italy? Mate?
Speaker 2: But none of those things have the same value for
Speaker 2: him as work anyway. Then he took me into working
Speaker 2: from there for the first six months. And bear in
Speaker 2: mind this was before COVID da da da. The concept
Speaker 2: of working remotely was not a thing.
Speaker 4: Isn't it crazy to say? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 2: So our producer Sasha, who now is also the producer
Speaker 2: of The Buck Up the podcast, I'm doing with Valvo.
Speaker 2: She came over to Bologna and set up a studio
Speaker 2: for me, and so I did the show for six
Speaker 2: months from Italy and then I said to Hughsy and
Speaker 2: then the other six months will be mine. But he
Speaker 2: was even trying to just come back after the holidays,
Speaker 2: and then we extended for another year because we loved
Speaker 2: it so much. It's the most to take yourself out
Speaker 2: of the context of where people know you, people have
Speaker 2: expectations of you. There's a community of people wherever you
Speaker 2: live that know you and know what they think of
Speaker 2: your school friends or friends or family or whatever. To
Speaker 2: take yourself out of the context of that and arrive
Speaker 2: somewhere where you are I'm going to say, unincumbered by it.
Speaker 2: Some of that's a blessing, family and friends, whatever, of course,
Speaker 2: but unincumbered by it and where you are your essential
Speaker 2: self is the most incredible experience. Yeah, incredible in good
Speaker 2: ways and bad. You know, like sometimes I was just pitiful, pitiful?
Speaker 4: You miss did you miss home?
Speaker 2: I miss the familiarity and all those things that I
Speaker 2: could take for granted about our Australian life.
Speaker 4: Yes, but people say outside your comfort zone is growth?
Speaker 2: So well, that's it. And we talk about that though,
Speaker 2: but people now have brought back the notion of comfort
Speaker 2: to they can't have a conversation. They're not comfortable with it.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about true, proper discomfort, which is literally outside
Speaker 2: everything you know, where you don't even know what direction
Speaker 2: to walk in a street to get to a shop,
Speaker 2: and when you get in there, you will not speak
Speaker 2: the language of the person who runs the shop, and
Speaker 2: then you won't know the way home and you'll get lost.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about that sort of discomfort. Yeah, phenomenal. I've
Speaker 2: probably not sold a word, but it's extraordinary, and it's
Speaker 2: extraordinary what happens. You know, people always tell tales about
Speaker 2: when they're traveling people they've met and they've ended up
Speaker 2: with strangers at a thing, and never would happen.
Speaker 4: When you're at home, you're comfortable.
Speaker 2: And where you have patterns that you follow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I completely agree with you. I think that. But
Speaker 4: it does sound like our listener knows that they want
Speaker 4: to go, but perhaps just needs a push or needs.
Speaker 2: But also I think you've got to back yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so if I had not done that, And I sometimes
Speaker 2: like to say that to Hughesy because I've worked with
Speaker 2: him for eighteen years, and I like to hold my
Speaker 2: book up and say to him, this is what two
Speaker 2: years of not working with you looks like, right, a
Speaker 2: best selling book that I have written for my family
Speaker 2: and for myself. Right, So you have to back yourself.
Speaker 2: And many of the things that I have done since
Speaker 2: we returned I would not have happened if I was
Speaker 2: still And I love working with Hugh, and I love
Speaker 2: our radio show and I love him. I love all
Speaker 2: of it. I never didn't like it. That wasn't my thinking.
Speaker 2: But I've hosted two series of a reality TV show
Speaker 2: for Channel Line, I've written a book, I'm writing another book,
Speaker 2: I'm doing this podcast with Valvo, I did another radio
Speaker 2: show here with Monty. So just the world opens up
Speaker 2: in a different way. But you have to back yourself
Speaker 2: because if you don't back yourself, how's anybody else going to?
Speaker 4: Oh completely? And I think if it's career that you're
Speaker 4: worried about, again, this is the conversation that we really
Speaker 4: just had. But your career will always be there. I
Speaker 4: think in a sense, like you can sure you can
Speaker 4: put it on pause, and you can.
Speaker 2: Now people have like six careers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and as with you, there may be an opportunity
Speaker 4: to work remotely. I think if nothing else, it's worth
Speaker 4: raising it with your depending on what you do. Of course,
Speaker 4: probably can't be a a remote surgeon, but depending on
Speaker 4: what it is that you do. I would definitely raise
Speaker 4: the conversation with your employer because we've spoken before about
Speaker 4: how costly it is to a company to replace a
Speaker 4: good employee, and so if you are a really integral
Speaker 4: employee and you know you've worked hard and they feel
Speaker 4: the same way about you, there may be some flexibility
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 2: Niece is doing that at the moment. She's gone to
Speaker 2: the UK and she asked several times, yeah, so don't
Speaker 2: just be deterred at the first. If it's not in
Speaker 2: this role, maybe it's in another role. Yeah, but you're right,
Speaker 2: no one wants to lose a good person.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And post COVID, it really is a whole different world
Speaker 4: out there. We really have been opened up to how
Speaker 4: easily people can do things. I mean, you did a
Speaker 4: radio show from the other side of the world. Who
Speaker 4: would have thought so, I think definitely raise the question.
Speaker 4: But if this is something that, as our listener said,
Speaker 4: is a burning desire, I think what have you got
Speaker 4: to lose? Do the math. Just make sure you can
Speaker 4: afford it financially. Don't put yourself in a hole, don't
Speaker 4: put it all on credit. Think ahead and prepare. And
Speaker 4: we've done episodes that can help you with that in
Speaker 4: the past.
Speaker 2: But what the way she wants to go?
Speaker 4: I know, I'm so curious. Please come back to U
Speaker 4: and let us know. I'd love to know. If it's Italy,
Speaker 4: Kate can give you some tips, but we do. When
Speaker 4: we pop these up, we ask everybody a few questions
Speaker 4: on Instagram, just get their input. The people know the vibes.
Speaker 4: So we ferously said, is anyone else in the community
Speaker 4: experiencing this concept of work security versus wonderlust? Seventy five
Speaker 4: percent of people said yes, I've got the travel bug,
Speaker 4: but I fear for my career, which is crazy how
Speaker 4: many people that is. And twenty five percent of people
Speaker 4: said no, I don't feel the desire to travel or move. Next,
Speaker 4: we said, have you made the move overseas before and
Speaker 4: left behind a stable job to do it? Twenty nine
Speaker 4: percent of people said yes, and it was truly the
Speaker 4: best decision I have ever made. Two percent of people
Speaker 4: said yes, and I regretted it. Later on, thirty nine
Speaker 4: percent of people said no, but I really want to,
Speaker 4: and thirty percent of people said no, and I don't
Speaker 4: plan on trying it. So if you look at those numbers,
Speaker 4: two percent regretted it, and that is such a take
Speaker 4: those on sliver. The chances are really, I think, in
Speaker 4: your favor when it comes to doing this.
Speaker 2: But it's not for everybody, you see, which is much
Speaker 2: like the world, yeah, isn't it. I mean, most people
Speaker 2: like for very good reasons, more charted course.
Speaker 4: And there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: No, the world couldn't function if everyone wanted to go off.
Speaker 4: Pieced exactly and do whatever they wanted.
Speaker 2: That's piste by the way, you know.
Speaker 4: It is just one of those things they think, do
Speaker 4: the work, make sure it's viable. But life is for
Speaker 4: a living. And that's something that I've really been working
Speaker 4: on this year, is just recognizing the fact that you've.
Speaker 2: Got to work to live. That's what they always say
Speaker 2: about the Italians. Not live to work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that you don't want to be,
Speaker 4: you know, one day on your deathbed and not able
Speaker 4: to travel and go, oh, if only I'd done that thing.
Speaker 4: So I think make sure, you can do it. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: do your due diligence, Like we always say, but ya,
Speaker 4: why's they go for it? Why not? You can always
Speaker 4: come home if you don't love it.
Speaker 2: So true, And Peter and I would say this all
Speaker 2: the time when we were in the planning stages of
Speaker 2: going whatever, and when there was there's a lot of
Speaker 2: attendant pressure, by the way, that you need to be
Speaker 2: prepared for if you decide to take that sort of leap.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't like you doing it for
Speaker 2: reasons that I think are They think you're holding a
Speaker 2: mirror up to them and saying something about their life
Speaker 2: that's so strange. It's sort of but people are like
Speaker 2: that all the time. You know. Anyone who gives up
Speaker 2: drinking knows they have a lot of friends who don't
Speaker 2: like it. Yeah, they lose weight, they have friends who
Speaker 2: don't like it. You know. There's something about the herd
Speaker 2: mentality sometimes of what we draw comfort in that everyone's
Speaker 2: doing what we're doing. Yeah, but if you can push
Speaker 2: through that, the rewards of that are enormous.
Speaker 4: I'm excited. Move over there, come back and tell us
Speaker 4: how you went. Yes, it'll be a great money.
Speaker 2: I've already got her coming back. She might not come back.
Speaker 2: She can write to us even if she's not come back.
Speaker 4: You can dial in from wherever you are, exactly right,
Speaker 4: and I think that is the perfect spot for us
Speaker 4: to leave it today. Kate. Thank you so much for
Speaker 4: joining us. If you want to hear more of your
Speaker 4: wonderful self, where do they find you.
Speaker 2: Buck Up podcast? We're on socials at the buck Up Podcast,
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Speaker 4: It's a great show. I really really recommend you guys
Speaker 4: give a listen. It's awesome. It's just a dose of joy,
Speaker 4: which I think we can all use at the.
Speaker 2: Moment, so absolutely light joy.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us. Guys, have an
Speaker 4: amazing weekend, and Victoria'll see you bright and early on
Speaker 4: Monday for a money diary.
Speaker 2: Brilliant.
Speaker 4: Bye.
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