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Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr

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Speaker 1: the Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before

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Speaker 1: we get started on She's on the Money podcast, I

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Speaker 1: would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: of which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country,

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Speaker 1: acknowledging the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming

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Speaker 1: through as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing

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Speaker 1: and the storytelling of you to make a difference for

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Speaker 1: today and lasting impact for tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.

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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to is on the Money the podcast

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Speaker 4: Millennials who want financial Freedom. Today is Friday, which means

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Speaker 4: it's time to get the team together and celebrate you

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Speaker 4: the incredible She's on the Money community. Today, I'm flying solo.

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Speaker 4: I've been left to my own devices. Victoria's in Europe.

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Speaker 4: You're sick, but fear not, because I do have someone

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Speaker 4: ready to chime.

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Speaker 2: You know, I know if you're at the pilot's seat

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Speaker 2: and you've just announced to the people on the plane

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Speaker 2: that you're flying solo. If I am the person that

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Speaker 2: you want to stand up and go.

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Speaker 4: I'll help you absolutely anyway. I will if anyone we

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Speaker 4: want you. For those who don't recognize the iconic voice,

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Speaker 4: we've got the wonderful Kate Langbrook joining us.

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Speaker 2: I did jump the gun on introducing myself and chipping.

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Speaker 4: In, Oh any time, please do?

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Speaker 2: Is this the rudder? Well, we do whatever.

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Speaker 4: We want to make sure you put your own mask

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Speaker 4: on first before you help those around you.

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Speaker 2: I come, was it Scully? Tom Hanks? You know who

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Speaker 2: landed the plane in the middle of the Hudson River?

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Speaker 2: Sally Sally close O Scully is Yeah, the truth is

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Speaker 2: out there. Look, Anna, Lisa has already proven herself to

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Speaker 2: be invaluable.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely as she always does. For those of you who

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Speaker 4: don't know Caitline Brook, she's absolutely everywhere. You're a new podcaster, yes,

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Speaker 4: comedian radio legend. You've truly done it all. So we're

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Speaker 4: so excited to have you joining us today.

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy because we have cohabited for many years.

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Speaker 2: When I was doing the show with Hughsey, you guys,

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Speaker 2: I think that was maybe before you came on board,

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Speaker 2: But Victoria was always in with dog and the bow

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Speaker 2: in its head.

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Speaker 4: Lucy, she's an icon.

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Speaker 2: She's stummy anyway. So, and I've always been quite intrigued

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Speaker 2: by the pot.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's a very good service, even though sometimes I find

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Speaker 2: it shames me unwittingly.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, well, we're here for everyone. Everyone's on their

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Speaker 4: own money journey, and so I'm so excited to pick

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Speaker 4: your brain. Fear not everybody. We're going to stick to

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Speaker 4: the usual format. So I've got some money wins to share.

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Speaker 4: Beck set along some broke tips despite being away that

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Speaker 4: I can share on her behalf as well, and then

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Speaker 4: we're going to be answering a juicy money dilemma. This week,

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Speaker 4: it's all about the fear of losing your identity when

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Speaker 4: you become a new mum.

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Speaker 4: I feel like that one's going to be a very.

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Speaker 2: Very very deep, so interesting mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: And then we're going to also unpack something that you

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Speaker 4: slip into our DMS about which this week is talking

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Speaker 4: about job security versus wonderlust, which I think is something

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Speaker 4: a lot of people are thinking about. And I'm so

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Speaker 4: excited to hear your thoughts because you did a huge

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Speaker 4: move overseas to Italy, didn't you?

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Speaker 2: Yes? For two years?

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Speaker 4: The whole vam. That would have been a huge change,

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Speaker 4: huge I'm so excited to hear all about it. But

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Speaker 2: Up telling me you're the pilot.

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Speaker 4: All right, everybody, I'm trying.

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Speaker 2: The co pilot and Annalisa is going to come along

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Speaker 2: with some peanuts and tomato juice.

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Speaker 2: Apparently tomato juice drinks. Yeah, something about the salt.

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Speaker 2: The more you know, there's a tip, write that down, sustness.

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Speaker 4: What have you been up to? I feel like you're

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Speaker 2: This week is was unusual or last week was unusual

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Speaker 4: Sounds like a dream.

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Speaker 2: So we had. It was heavenly. It was heaven It

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Speaker 2: was hot as eighties, was really humid. It was great,

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Speaker 2: We enjoyed ourselves enormously. Put it that way.

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Speaker 4: Oh wonderful, Oh that's beautiful. Well, I'm very it's been

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Speaker 2: But you had to abandon, you know, when you're traveling

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Speaker 2: in countries like that, in Asia particularly, and you have

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Speaker 2: have to embrace some sort of weird hippie chic look

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Speaker 4: It's a return to your natural self. Though I feel

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Speaker 4: like because you don't wear makeup, it's going to slide

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Speaker 2: Yourself, it's fantastic, and you don't look in a mirror

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Speaker 4: I feel like they're like those carnival mirrors because they

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Speaker 2: And it's never good. It's never good.

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Speaker 4: It's never ever fun to look at. Well, I'm very jealous.

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Speaker 2: And when we got the bill, we were like, because

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Speaker 4: Wow, It's like that in Japan too. Seven eleven we

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Speaker 4: lived at the seven eleven. I know Beck has just

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Speaker 2: And they've got great food at seven elevens in Japan.

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Speaker 4: If for seven eleven here was like the seven eleven

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Speaker 4: hopefully ours become more like theirs. I would buy my

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Speaker 2: Insteads because the food's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they had like full meals chicken katsu like but

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Speaker 4: really healthy good food. Y're delicious, So like if you

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Speaker 2: You only go to KFC as they do Christmas. You know,

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Speaker 2: that's the traditional Christmas thing in Japan.

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Speaker 2: They might not even celebrate Christmas, but they certainly celebrate KFC.

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Speaker 4: I can absolutely get a moment that because if there's

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Speaker 4: We are one of these same you know who else

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Speaker 4: They're always picking up the vibes. They've always got some

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Speaker 4: money wins to share. So let me give you a

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Speaker 4: couple from the group this week. There were some goodies. Firstly,

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Speaker 4: Brianna said, money win. I purchased some special edition books

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Speaker 4: from Amazon for one hundred and fifty dollars. Very expensive books,

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Speaker 4: but obviously she was excited, she said. Instead, Amazon sent

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Speaker 4: me two bottles of cast oil. Had no books classic.

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Speaker 4: Oh there you go, she said, marked it as a

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Speaker 4: return and sent them back because obviously it wasn't what

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Speaker 4: I ordered, and they refunded the money, and then two

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Speaker 4: days later the books turned up money Win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic and very hard to get one over Amazon.

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Speaker 4: Capitally, as we were saying, on.

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Speaker 2: A yacht to meet, he'll be so.

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Speaker 4: Angry shaken in his boot. Next, I've got a money

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Speaker 4: in from Gemma, who said it's my birthday month, so

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Speaker 4: I've been utilizing lots and lots of freebies. Yesterday she

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Speaker 4: went out with her son and got a free Gloria

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Speaker 4: Jeans chiller. She said she's gotten three drinks so far

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Speaker 4: this month. And as someone whose birthday is coming up soon,

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Speaker 4: I just want to remind everyone go through freebies. I

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Speaker 4: saw a TikTok of a girl the other day who

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Speaker 4: collected everything that she was in, like she'd signed up

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Speaker 4: to every list she could think of, and she got

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Speaker 4: like twelve meals over the course of two day. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because it's so well organized, though, Yeah, they tend to

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Speaker 4: get lost in your thirty six thousand, you know, I

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Speaker 4: know forty six forty six actually, and I deleted three

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Speaker 4: thousand them over summer and I'm going to delete one

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Speaker 4: thousand a day and that lasted three days.

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Speaker 2: Three days, and they were a renewable resource.

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Speaker 4: I wonder do you ever hit a point where they go,

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Speaker 4: no more emails for you? No, they don't until No,

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Speaker 4: they don't, not yet anyway.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is vouchers don't even you must

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Speaker 2: talk about vouchers on this show. But vouchers are just

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Speaker 2: such a punishment for me. Why like boucher, Yeah, give vouchers,

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Speaker 2: money value, but I've had one hundred expired vouchers that

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Speaker 4: Interesting fact, few it's actually illegal for vouchers to expire.

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Speaker 4: They can put an expiring wail on them, but they

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Speaker 4: Needs that's a million dollar.

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Speaker 2: So no ink, no, but you got to fill out

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Speaker 4: Well, there you go. It's like in the middle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: My girlfriend just did this when we were in Vietnam.

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Speaker 4: I think if you're using a bank card that is

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Speaker 4: away for free. I think it is so really okay.

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Speaker 2: The whys you can. I know that there are I

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Speaker 2: I don't know time, I'm just gonna do you take

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Speaker 4: Their exchange you get like six hundred like inside one

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Speaker 2: Put that with the voucher jobs.

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Speaker 4: The list. And then we've been asking our guests when

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Speaker 4: That's a money win for sure.

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Speaker 2: Even though if you looked at my visa car plus

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Speaker 2: yeah correct, correct pass three dollars, seventeen conversion feet, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: you would think I can't see the win. My dad

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Speaker 2: I was reduced and reduced further, and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: Dad would always say Dutch, you know, he would say,

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Speaker 4: Oh, where is it?

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Speaker 4: That's very clever.

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Speaker 4: We say when there's a sale, if you buy it

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Speaker 2: So that's what he was saying, although he spoke more

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Speaker 4: Well, but your kids would have been stoked. I feel

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Speaker 2: So happy they couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 4: Some of the year after that, I.

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Speaker 2: Know it was really good, and it was a lot

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of room in your suitcase shoes.

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Speaker 2: I took an empty I put a suitcase in a suitcase.

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Speaker 2: That's so smart. We came back with two full suitcases.

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Speaker 4: I had to do the airport shuffle the last time

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Speaker 2: I hate the humiliation.

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Speaker 4: My friends had to open their suit Yeah. There of

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Speaker 4: Apart from that, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: And I love the way in that situation we all

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Speaker 4: Just get us out of this line and away from

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Speaker 4: that sounds like I'm going to call it a money win,

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Speaker 2: I think I felt like it was a win. It

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Speaker 4: It's overwhelming too. If you go on a weekend, it's

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Speaker 4: So let me give you what she sent over.

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Speaker 2: If it's pick a bunch of rosemary and put it

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Speaker 4: I completely agree, completely agree.

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Speaker 4: First one from back, very very smart from her. But

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Speaker 4: Correct? Because it's exactly the same thing. And I just

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Speaker 4: You don't like flybys, No.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I love them, I just don't do them.

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Speaker 2: I don't do any loyalty.

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Speaker 2: we have a universal hatred of macarons, the most overrated.

443
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Speaker 2: You don't like macaron hideous, horrible, master chef challenge, sure,

444
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 2: but for eating interesting, very pretty for eating.

445
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Speaker 4: No, okay, I agree to disagree on that.

446
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 2: You can have all the macarons.

447
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 4: But you know what, maybe we're a good match. Like

448
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Speaker 4: I'll eat all the Macarens, and you can eat.

449
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Speaker 2: All of what is your preferred anything.

450
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 4: Okay, well you can have whatever the other option.

451
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 2: Else I'll have everything else, and i'd like something savory.

452
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 4: Actually, see, I'm a sweet person. So we're a good balance.

453
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: We'd like Jack Spratt and his wife Millennial show could

454
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Speaker 2: eat no fat, his wife could eat no lean. So

455
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Speaker 2: together then they licked the platter clean.

456
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Speaker 4: Oh there you go. Yeah, I'll be and you can.

457
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Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm also but oh okay, I'm but everything

458
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 2: that's not Macarons.

459
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Speaker 4: Okay, perfect. Oh my goodness, fly bais is great. I'm

460
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Speaker 4: a Flybys fiend. If you didn't know, I got a

461
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Speaker 4: kitchen aid for free with my point, they're like eight

462
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Speaker 4: hundred dollars to buy one of those. I love it

463
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Speaker 4: because I love tabab Yes, I love my kitchen aid media.

464
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Speaker 4: It's the best thing. But color did you get it?

465
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 4: I got white? It's just so boring they did it

466
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Speaker 4: is classic? What color is yours?

467
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Speaker 2: I've got orange?

468
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 4: Oh, yours is much more.

469
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Speaker 2: I've got orange. But I think we got ours is

470
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Speaker 2: really old. Yeah, because we got it for a wedding

471
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 2: present and the motor burnt out on it last year,

472
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Speaker 2: and people were like, you need a new kitchen aid.

473
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Speaker 2: I think I was. I put up a video on

474
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Speaker 2: social some of it because it was jumping all over

475
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 2: the counter like it was walking. You couldn't just leave

476
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Speaker 2: it beating and you had to watch it. And people said, oh,

477
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Speaker 2: you need a new kitchen aid, and I went, I'm

478
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I don't need a new kitchen EID.

479
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: And then we found this company. Someone sets told me

480
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: on X there's a company that replaces all parts of

481
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 2: amazing kitchen of plants is took it to them beautiful

482
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Speaker 2: new kitchen eight.

483
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Speaker 4: When did we stop defaulting to repairing something instead of replacing,

484
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Speaker 4: because this is something.

485
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 2: When toasters became ten dollars.

486
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Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly right. Like it's so interesting to think

487
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Speaker 4: about the habits that my parents had versus what I.

488
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: Had and mending and yeah, like.

489
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Speaker 4: I recently started getting into sewing and you know, repairing

490
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Speaker 4: clothes instead of just replacing them. And I think it's

491
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Speaker 4: really interesting because like financially, like some of us, you

492
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Speaker 4: are buying the cheaper option sometimes because that's what's within

493
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Speaker 4: our means, and that's so fine. But let's think about

494
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 4: trying to repair those items when we can instead of

495
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Speaker 4: just buying a new one because you can because it's cheap.

496
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Speaker 2: I feel like when my mum comes over and mum's

497
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Speaker 2: a really good dana, Mum does we save all our

498
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Speaker 2: buttons that need all our gyms that need doing. She

499
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 2: does all of that when she comes over and she

500
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: darned one of Peter's socks, right, and the kids were

501
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: watching her like she was a witch. They were like,

502
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: what is this? Yeah, but also they were a little

503
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: bit contemptuous of it. Well, because people are so disposable

504
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 2: with their thinking. Even though they're the generation that are

505
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 2: really reuse, recycle, repair and everything z coo at school,

506
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: it wouldn't occur to them to fix a sock.

507
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Speaker 4: As a country, we are the number one worst country

508
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 4: for fast fashion in the world. Yeah, for how many

509
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 4: we purchase like really per capita or whatever in America

510
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 4: more than America and we're a smaller country.

511
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Speaker 5: What.

512
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was like a report recently which I think

513
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 4: is crazy and that speaks totally to exactly what you're

514
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Speaker 4: saying about. How yeah, we just go oh buying new sock?

515
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 4: How hard can it be? But it's actually quite easy

516
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 4: and more cost effective to learn to fix or to

517
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 4: put a new motor in something that breaks, or to

518
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 4: do whatever you have.

519
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: So thrilled with a new motor in the kitchen aid.

520
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: And then we've got a dog by the way that

521
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: started his adorable But he's a chewer.

522
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Speaker 4: Oh no, and.

523
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 2: So he's chewed. He chewed through the cord of my

524
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: blow dry that was in my daughter's room and is

525
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 2: chewed through. He's just chewed cords.

526
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

527
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Speaker 2: So now we have to find someone because I said

528
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: to Peter, he's chewed too many things to replace them. Yeah,

529
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: and the blow dry was a really good blow dryer.

530
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Speaker 2: I'm not just gonna yeah. Also, there's nothing wrong with

531
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 2: it other than a dog got the cord. Yeah, that's right. So,

532
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: and you know, there used to be all those little

533
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: places like that always have a dusty VCR in the

534
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: window that they always had electrical repairs written on the world,

535
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: some sort of curved writing. And it wasn't until I

536
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 2: went to look for one of those. I went, I'm

537
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 2: sure I've seen them. I went to look for one,

538
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: I realized how rare they are.

539
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 4: One of the things that maybe's disappeared over time. Because

540
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 4: noone was using them. That so sad.

541
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 2: Anyway, well let's have a moment of silence. Where are

542
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: those electrical repair I'm going to say, mean, I never

543
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 2: encountered a woman. What happened to them? Maybe they just

544
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: retired that generation?

545
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 4: They all sold up and no one our age is

546
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 4: doing it anymore.

547
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: Now they're selling ten dollars toasters. They're like, what did

548
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Speaker 2: I waste my life on?

549
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. Well, if anyone knows a good person

550
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Speaker 4: in Melbourne, let us know. But I think that's a

551
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: perfect spot for us to head to a really quick

552
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Speaker 4: break and when we come back on the other side,

553
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 4: we're going to talk about owning your identity and balancing

554
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 4: that with becoming a new parent, as well as whether

555
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 4: or not you should put your job and your security

556
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: above your desire to travel. Don't go anywhere, guys, Light

557
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Speaker 4: chit chat, Welcome back, everybody. Let's take a listen to

558
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Speaker 4: this week's money dilemma.

559
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Speaker 7: Hi, there, have you got a money dilemma you just

560
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Speaker 7: can't solve? The She's on the Money team is here

561
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Speaker 7: to help. Every week we tackle your dilemmas, both big

562
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Speaker 7: and small, to answer your most burning money career and

563
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566
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Speaker 7: listen to this week's money dilemma.

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Speaker 4: Hi, guys, I'm about.

568
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Speaker 2: To you on Matt Lee.

569
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Speaker 5: I'm pregnant with my first baby. My partner and I

570
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 5: went through a few rounds of IVF treatment, so we're

571
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 5: super stoked to be.

572
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: On this journey prove a context.

573
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Speaker 5: I'm pretty high up at a tech business, and the

574
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 5: further along my pregnancy is going, I am freaking out.

575
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 4: It's kind of creeping up on me.

576
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 5: How much is expected of women, How we have to

577
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Speaker 5: be mum, career and like we have to thrive in

578
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 5: all of those different areas of life, and how I

579
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 5: guess do we balance it? So I guess I just

580
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 5: wanted to call to get a bit of inside or

581
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 5: guidance or just like a bit of a pep talk.

582
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Speaker 2: So yeah, thanks. That's a big dilemma.

583
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 4: It's a million dollar question, really, isn't it?

584
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: And also now is not the time. There's a few

585
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: things in that. One is the creeping worry that you have.

586
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: And also because she said she's just come off over

587
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: the if so she's had a lot of hormones. There's

588
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: a lot of surging hormones. So if you can just

589
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: kind of mentally put that to one side, which you

590
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: probably can't because they're surging hormones. But it is a

591
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: time often where you have the dual train track, which

592
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: is happiness and expectation and fear and expectation traveling simultaneously.

593
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: Your life is going to change. If you don't want

594
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: your life to change, don't have a child. Well that's

595
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: really what it is, right, But in my experience, and

596
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: I have four children, what you learn about yourself happens

597
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: in surrendering to that. So the more you rally against

598
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: these fears, which at this point are unseen, the fears

599
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: you have here are the biggest fears that you'll ever face.

600
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Speaker 2: Mostly that there is an element of surrendering when you

601
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Speaker 2: have a child, and particularly if you're a woman who's

602
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: been on a career trajectory, that's quite formalized.

603
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, very clear cart in your stay.

604
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah that when you have a child, everything is the

605
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: opposite of that. Yeah, and you actually have to follow

606
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: the baby. The baby. A girlfriend of mine said, before

607
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: I had my first child, the baby will tell you

608
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: what it needs. And it was the best advice also

609
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: because it meant that you could surrender to it. And

610
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: so I wasn't one of those people that was like, well,

611
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: that's to it. The baby's got to get up waking up,

612
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: and it is. He's got a feed on you minutes

613
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Speaker 2: and just and in my experience, the less that you

614
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: can try and be regimented, the happier you will be

615
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: and the baby will be. The baby is only instinct

616
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: when it's born, and everything the baby knows it's learnt

617
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: from you. And because they're all antenna they pick up

618
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: on they're very vibrational, I think, and so ill health aside.

619
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Speaker 2: Anything that problems the baby has, eating, sleeping, la la

620
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: is probably down to you. So the more relaxed and

621
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Speaker 2: the more animal you can be in your instincts towards

622
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Speaker 2: the baby, which is just loving and warm and soft

623
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Speaker 2: and comforting and healing yourself as well, because it's a

624
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Speaker 2: massive physical labor to have a baby, no matter what

625
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: way you have it. I think part of the beauty

626
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Speaker 2: of it is what when you see someone who's quite

627
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: linear in their life and their thinking become more rounded

628
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: in that sense. Yeah, often that's chaotic and you don't

629
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: feel great.

630
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Speaker 4: And that's okay, Like that's part of the experience.

631
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: Part of it, it's really part of it.

632
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's very normal. I'm at the age

633
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: where a few of my friends are having kids now

634
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 4: and on seconds or thirds, and I think a lot

635
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 4: of them have experienced what our listener is that nervousness. Yeah,

636
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: particularly I think at your first child, because as you

637
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 4: were saying, you're really going into the unknown.

638
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: You have no.

639
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: Idea what to expect. Everyone's probably giving you their two

640
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: cents about how to have birth and how to raise

641
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 4: the kid and what to do. When you're taking in

642
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 4: all of these information, plus the hormones that you were

643
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 4: you know you mentioned and all of those things. Congratulations,

644
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 4: by the way, that's really brining.

645
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Speaker 2: It's fantastic.

646
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Speaker 4: That's really wonderful. I think, firstly, just acknowledging that that's

647
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 4: so normal for you to feel that way, and it's

648
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: something that only I think the people who are going

649
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 4: through that experience can understand, Like parents who aren't giving

650
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 4: birth can still I think empathize with you or sympathize

651
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 4: with you. But I think that from what I've seen

652
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: with my friends. Obviously I haven't gone through it myself,

653
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 4: but I think that it is such a unique experience,

654
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: and that existential feeling that you're having is coming from

655
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Speaker 4: the unknown and also maybe from that fear of letting

656
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: go because as women, we know statistically more often than

657
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: not after childbirth we end up on the back foot

658
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Speaker 4: in terms of our career growth, in terms of our finances,

659
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: in terms of our super and so I can imagine

660
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Speaker 4: that there's maybe a little bit of fear around that,

661
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Speaker 4: especially if you've done a lot of work on your

662
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: financial situation in the lead up to the baby.

663
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Speaker 2: And it's an act of trust that for a certain

664
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: period of time you're not going to be able to work. Yes,

665
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: you have to turn to your partner possibly to bridge

666
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: that gap. Yeah, it's a really vulnerable time for a

667
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: woman and the baby and in fact the whole relationship.

668
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: So a friend of mine once said, having a baby

669
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: is like throwing a bomb in your relationship. Well, because

670
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: it just blows all the bits up in the air

671
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: and then you see where they land. Parts of it

672
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: are thrilling and beautiful and exciting, and parts of it

673
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: are really frightening and confronting and exhausting and whatever. But

674
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: there's nothing in life that I've ever done that was

675
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: good that wasn't hard, Like nothing, literally nothing, Like when

676
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: I get up to go to boot camp or yoga

677
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: or whatever, it's hard every time I do it. It's hard

678
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: when I go shopping for six people, it's hard. It's hard.

679
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: It's hard, but you find the value in the hardness

680
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: of it, which sometimes I think we're a little bit

681
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: inclined to avoid in our comfortable lives.

682
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: But you've got to go through the hard to appreciate

683
00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 4: the good into.

684
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 2: A pre well and to make something good absolutely, like, really,

685
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: you're doing the work if if someone who's having children

686
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: is doing the work of the nation, it's beautiful work,

687
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: but it's work.

688
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: Being a parent is absolutely work. It can be a

689
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 4: full time job.

690
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a full time job, whether or not

691
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: you've already got another full time job, exactly a time job.

692
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 2: And also, I say this now, my eldest is twenty

693
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: and my youngest is fourteen, and it seems to be

694
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 2: a job that doesn't stop.

695
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 4: Yeah you think at eighteen maybe, oh.

696
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: Sort of thought, And it does happen to a certain extent.

697
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: But I remember when the kids were really little, and

698
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 2: of course because we had four under six, so everywhere

699
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: we went it was kind of like a mini circus

700
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: that no one wanted to buy tickets to. Yeah, it

701
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: was just solicited, a lot of attention wherever we went.

702
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: And there was a thing that my girlfriend and I

703
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: were talking about recently where older women God blessed the

704
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: older women would come up to you and they'd always

705
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: talk about the kids, and you know, with that nostalgia

706
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: of someone who's been through it and saying a lot,

707
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: and they would always say this, and at the time

708
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: it really annoyed me. They would say, little children, little problems,

709
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: big children, big problems, and it really enraged me and

710
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: my girlfriends at the time. Everyone had experienced it. Yeah,

711
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: and now that the kids are older, we're like, oh, yeah,

712
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: we get it.

713
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: Ah, we get it, we understand, we.

714
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: Understand, we understand.

715
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think I would say to our listener, just

716
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: on the career, note, your career does not need to

717
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 4: end when you have children, and it's totally up to

718
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 4: you how you would approach that you made choose to

719
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: become a stay at home parent, and that's awesome and

720
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 4: that's totally fine. But I think there is this idea

721
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: that women hit almost an expiration date, and I think

722
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 4: that is tied very closely to the you know, the

723
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 4: older ideal that women would their only purpose was to

724
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 4: have the children's day home and keep the house and

725
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 4: blah blah, which obviously we've moved well and truly past that.

726
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 4: But I think that there are so many people that

727
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 4: have achieved incredible things in their forties, in their fifties,

728
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 4: in their sixties, and if they had stopped pursuing what

729
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 4: they wanted in their earlier life, as you were saying,

730
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 4: if they hadn't gone through the hard they never would

731
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: have got there. And so I think I would just

732
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 4: say I understand the fearfulness around your career and how

733
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 4: having children will impact that, but there are hundreds of

734
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Speaker 4: thousands of parents all around the world who are making

735
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 4: it work and who are more than that. Probably. Yeah,

736
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 4: I was going to say, I'm across Australia, and then

737
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 4: I went the world, and then I just there's a

738
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 4: lot of people out there. The aliens are probably doing

739
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 4: it too. It can work, and I understand that it's scary,

740
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 4: but I think like really communicating with your partner and

741
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: being open about what you need and what you want

742
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 4: it's true, and making sure that you're on the same

743
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 4: page because you are so entitled to pursue whatever feels

744
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 4: right for you and you know your family, and I

745
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 4: just want to say that you can totally do it,

746
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 4: even if it maybe feels like that might be hard.

747
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: Sometimes it feels impossible and other times. I remember the

748
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: first time going back to work with a baby, it

749
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:26,479
Speaker 2: feels like there should be a Hallelujah chorus sing yeah

750
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: when you walk in the door. It is such. It

751
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: feels like an act of victory, but it's hard. One

752
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: victory you know by the time you get out the door,

753
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: and often it'll be the first time in a month

754
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: or months since you've been able to do that, like

755
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: without another little person on you. It's an amazing thing. Also,

756
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: when you go back to work, I think you tend

757
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: to have a newfound respect for the women that came

758
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: before you. And I say women because I just don't

759
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: think the relationship is the same for men in a

760
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: physical sense and for the women that came before you

761
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: that have done that. You kind of look around the

762
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: office and people look a bit different. Who have You're like, Oh,

763
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: you've done this? Wow?

764
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's just incredible. So I think I hope

765
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 4: that that pep talk is what.

766
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: You needed, because we're incredible what we do, absolutely and

767
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: there's no world without us, not at all. We just

768
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: can't completely give up the sense of our world.

769
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, hold on to your own identities.

770
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 2: It'll still be but your identity will evolve.

771
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: And that's okay. Fantastic, fantastic, incredible. Now I do have

772
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 4: if you've got time, We've still got our Instagram dilemma

773
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: to get you. So let me read to me, let

774
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 4: me read you. When our listener said, they said, hello,

775
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 4: she's on the money. I want to talk to you

776
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 4: about a topic that I'm really struggling with right now,

777
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 4: work security versus wanderlust. I've been in a great job

778
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: now for three and a half years. It pays well,

779
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 4: and I have a clear career trajectory, but I'm aching

780
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 4: to move overseas for a bit, and I feel I

781
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 4: would regret if I never took a chance and did it.

782
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 4: I want to experience adventure and be pushed outside my

783
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: comfort zone by moving overseas, but at the same time,

784
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: my comfort zone is what gives me work security and

785
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: a good income, so I can one day achieve my goals.

786
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 4: Making this move will likely see me burn through my

787
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 4: savings and leave a good but pouring job behind. How

788
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: do I decide what the right move is? Are there

789
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: some things that I should keep into consideration when making

790
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 4: this decision? Any help or words of wisdom would be appreciated. Oh,

791
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 4: and I feel like this is truly your time to

792
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 4: shine because you've been there and done that. How did

793
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 4: you make the choice to move overseas and pick up

794
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: your whole family and leave what you knew behind?

795
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: I think if you're writing that, you already know what

796
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: the answer is. Yeah, she's answered all her own questions,

797
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: which is and some people have got I didn't really

798
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: have a yearning like and I've written a book about this,

799
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: chow Bella six take Italy Sometimes Italy took, But I

800
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: talk about that in the book because it was I

801
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: think it's easy for people to say, if you dream it,

802
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: you can do it. I didn't really dream it in

803
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 2: the sense that it was a dream that I'd had

804
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: for fifteen years or whatever. It really came from a

805
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: casual conversation with my husband on our first ever trip

806
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: to Italy, which was only two years before we moved there,

807
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: or three years before we moved there, that both of

808
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: us had a desire for a different experience of life.

809
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: And we've got a beautiful life here, but there was

810
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: something about it that we wanted both of us to

811
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: experience something different. And once that seed was planted, that

812
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: just grew, and it grew like Jack and the bean Stalk.

813
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: And even when I thought it wasn't and we were

814
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: just immersed in our daily life, which was intense, and

815
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 2: an Australian family life it's intense. Even if you don't

816
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: have a family, it's intense. But I just had to

817
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: do it. Yeah, we had to do it, and it

818
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: was the greatest thing we've ever done.

819
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 4: That's amazing.

820
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: And also, going back to our conversation previously, also one

821
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 2: of the hardest things I've ever done.

822
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, because nothing worth having is easy. Exactly how did

823
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 4: you go about figuring out the logistics of like career

824
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 4: and stuff, because you had a huge, incredible.

825
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: Well that was interesting because I had said too when

826
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: we decided it was going to happen, And initially my

827
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: husband Peter said to me, oh, it would be great

828
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: to do this, he said, but you'll never be able

829
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: to give up work and I said I would, and

830
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: he was like, I don't think you could. And he

831
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: wasn't saying it as a challenge, he was just like,

832
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 2: because you love your job. So I was doing drive

833
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: radio at the time with Hughsey, So my first conversation

834
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: was with Hughsey to tell him, yeah, he didn't take

835
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: it well, oh no, because Hugh does understand. He didn't

836
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: understand any of that yearning. Because Husey is a workaholic.

837
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: He's in aholic of many times, like he loves giving

838
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: stuff up, but he could never give up work, and

839
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: so he couldn't even understand when I he was like,

840
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: what are you going to do all day? And I'm like, yeah,

841
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: what are you going to do all day? In Italy? Mate?

842
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: But none of those things have the same value for

843
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 2: him as work. Anyway. Then he took me into working

844
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: from there for the first six months. And bear in

845
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: mind this was before COVID da da da. The concept

846
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: of working remotely was not a thing.

847
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 4: Isn't it crazy to sink? Yeah?

848
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: Yep. So our producer Sasha, who now is also the

849
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: producer of the Buck Up, the podcast I'm doing with Valvo,

850
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: she came over to Bologna and set up a studio

851
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: for me, and so I did the show for six

852
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 2: months from Italy and then I said to hughsy and

853
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: then the other six months will be mine. But he

854
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: was even trying to just come back after the holidays,

855
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 2: and then we extended for another year because we loved

856
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: it so much. It's the most to take yourself out

857
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: of the context of where people know you, people have

858
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: expectations of you. There's a community of people wherever you

859
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: live that know you and know what they think of

860
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: your school friends or friends or family or whatever. To

861
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: take yourself out of the context of that and arrive

862
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: somewhere where you are I'm going to say, unincumbered by it.

863
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: Some of that's a blessing, family and friends whatever, of course,

864
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: but unincumbered by it and where you are your essential

865
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: self is the most incredible experience. Yeah, incredible in good

866
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: ways and bad. You know, like sometimes I was just pitiful.

867
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 4: Pitiful you miss did you miss home?

868
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 2: I miss the familiarity and all those things that I

869
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: could take for granted about our Australian life.

870
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 4: Yes, but people say outside your comfort zone is.

871
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: Growth, so well, that's it. And we talk about that

872
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: though but people now have brought back the notion of

873
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: comfort to they can't have a conversation, they're not comfortable

874
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: with it. I'm talking about true, proper discomfort, which is

875
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: literally outside everything you know, where you don't even know

876
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: what direction to walk in a street to get to

877
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: a shop, and when you get in there, you will

878
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: not speak the language of the person it runs the shop,

879
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: and then you won't know the way home and you'll

880
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: get lost. I'm talking about that sort of discomfort. Yeah, phenomenal.

881
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: I've probably not sold a word, but it's extraordinary, and

882
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 2: it's extraordinary what happens. You know, people always tell tales

883
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: about when they're traveling people they've met and they've ended

884
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: up with strangers at a thing, and never would happen.

885
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Speaker 4: When you're at home, you're comfortable.

886
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 2: And where you have patterns that you follow.

887
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I completely agree with you. I think that. But

888
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: it does sound like our listener knows that they want

889
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: to go, but perhaps just needs a push or needs.

890
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: But also I think you've got to back yourself. Yeah,

891
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 2: so if I had not done that, And I sometimes

892
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: like to say that to Hughesy because I've worked with

893
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: him for eighteen years, and I like to hold my

894
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: book up and say to him, this is what two

895
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: years of not working with you looks like, right, a

896
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: best selling book that I have written for my family

897
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: and for myself.

898
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Speaker 5: Right.

899
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: So you have to back yourself. And many of the

900
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Speaker 2: things that I have done since we returned I would

901
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: not have happened if I was still And I love

902
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: working with Hugh, and I love our radio show and

903
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: I love him. I love all of it. I never

904
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: didn't like it. That wasn't my thinking. But I've hosted

905
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: two series of a reality TV show for Channel Line,

906
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: I've written a book, I'm writing another book, I'm doing

907
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: this podcast with Valvo, I did another radio show here

908
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: with Monty. So just the world opens up in a

909
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: different way. But you have to back yourself because if

910
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Speaker 2: you don't back yourself, how's anybody else going to?

911
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 4: Oh completely? And I think if it's career that you're

912
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: worried about, again, this is the conversation that we really

913
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Speaker 4: just had. But your career will always be there, I

914
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 4: think in a sense, like you can sure you can

915
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 4: put it on pause, and you can.

916
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: Now people have like six careers.

917
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and as with you, there may be an opportunity

918
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 4: to work remotely. I think if nothing else, it's worth

919
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 4: raising it with your depending on what you do, of course,

920
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 4: probably can't be a a remote surgeon, but depending on

921
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,959
Speaker 4: what it is that you do. I would definitely raise

922
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Speaker 4: the conversation with your employer because we've spoken before about

923
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 4: how costly it is to a company to replace a

924
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: good employee, and so if you are a really integral

925
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 4: employee and you know you've worked hard and they feel

926
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 4: the same way about you, there may be some flexibility

927
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Speaker 4: for you.

928
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Speaker 2: Niece is doing that at the moment. She's gone to

929
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: the UK and she asked several times, yeah, so don't

930
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Speaker 2: just be deterred at the first. If it's not in

931
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 2: this role, maybe it's in another role. Yeah, but you're right,

932
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: no one wants to lose a good person.

933
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

934
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Speaker 4: And post COVID, it really is a whole different world

935
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 4: out there. We really have been opened up to how

936
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: easily people can do things. I mean, you did a

937
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: radio show from the other side of the world. Who

938
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 4: would have thought so, I think definitely raise the question.

939
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 4: But if this is something that, as our listener said,

940
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 4: is a burning desire, I think, what have you got

941
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 4: to lose? Do the math. Just make sure you can

942
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 4: afford it financially. Don't put yourself in a hole. Don't

943
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 4: put it all on credit. Think ahead and prepare. And

944
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 4: we've done episodes that can help you with that in

945
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 4: the past.

946
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 2: But what the way she wants to go?

947
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 4: I know, I'm so curious. Please come back to U

948
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 4: and let us know. I'd love to know. If it's Italy.

949
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 4: Kate can give you some tips, but we do. When

950
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 4: we pop these up, we ask everybody a few questions

951
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 4: on Instagram, just get their input. The people know the vibes.

952
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 4: So we ferously said, is anyone else in the community

953
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 4: experiencing this concept of work security versus wonderlust? Seventy five

954
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 4: percent of people said yes, I've got the travel bug,

955
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 4: but I fear for my career, which is crazy how

956
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 4: many people that is. And twenty five percent of people

957
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 4: said no, I don't feel the desire to travel or move. Next,

958
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 4: we said, have you made the move overseas before and

959
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 4: left behind a stable job to do it? Twenty nine

960
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 4: percent of people said yes and it was truly the

961
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 4: best decision I have ever made. Two percent of people

962
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 4: said yes and I regretted it later on thirty nine

963
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 4: percent of people said no, but I really want to,

964
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 4: and thirty percent of people said no, and I don't

965
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 4: plan on trying it. So if you look at those numbers,

966
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: two percent regretted it, and that is such a take

967
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 4: those on sliver. The chances are really, I think, in

968
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 4: your favor when it comes to doing this.

969
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: But it's not for everybody, you see, which is much

970
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: like the world, yeah, isn't it. I mean, most people

971
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: like for very good reasons, more charted course.

972
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 4: And there's nothing wrong with that.

973
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: No, the world couldn't function if everyone wanted to go off.

974
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 4: Pieced exactly and do whatever they wanted.

975
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: That's piste, by the way.

976
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 4: It is just one of those things they think, do

977
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 4: the work, make sure it's viable. But life is for

978
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 4: a living, and that's something that I've really been working

979
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 4: on this year, is just recognizing the fact that you've.

980
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: Got to work to live. That's what they always say

981
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 2: about the Italians not live to work.

982
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that you don't want to be,

983
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 4: you know, one day on your deathbed and not able

984
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 4: to travel and go, oh if only I'd done that thing.

985
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 4: So I think make sure you can do it. Absolutely,

986
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 4: do your due diligence, Like we always say, but ya,

987
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 4: why's they go for it? Why not? You can always

988
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 4: come home if you don't love it.

989
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: So true, And Peter and I would say this all

990
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: the time when we were in the planning stages of

991
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: going whatever, and when there was there's a lot of

992
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: attendant pressure, by the way, that you need to be

993
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: prepared for if you decide to take that sort of leap.

994
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't like you doing it for

995
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: reasons that I think are They think you're holding a

996
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: mirror up to them and saying something about their life

997
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: that's so strange. It's sort of but people are like

998
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: that all the time.

999
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: You know.

1000
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: Anyone who gives up drinking knows they have a lot

1001
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: of friends who don't like it. Yeah, they lose weight,

1002
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: they have friends who don't like it. You know. There's

1003
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: something about the herd mentality sometimes of what we draw

1004
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: comforting that everyone's doing what we're doing. Yeah, but if

1005
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 2: you can push through that, the rewards of that are enormous.

1006
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 4: I'm excited. Move over there, come back and tell us

1007
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 4: how you went, because yes, it'll be a great money there.

1008
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: I've already got her coming back. She might not come back.

1009
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: She can write to us. Even if she's not come back.

1010
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: You can dial in from wherever you are, exactly right,

1011
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 4: and I think that is the perfect spot for us

1012
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Speaker 4: to leave it today. Kate, Thank you so much for

1013
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Speaker 4: joining us. If you want to hear more of your

1014
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us. Guys, have an

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Speaker 4: on Monday for a money diary.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant.

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Speaker 4: Bye.

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