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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now from the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Police and is he Acting Assistant Commissioner James O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, last time we spoke to you, it was on Friday,

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Speaker 1: I think it was as we were leading into cyclone Fena.

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Speaker 1: How did you guys go over the weekends?

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Speaker 2: Really good?

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Speaker 3: You know, we were really into the swing of that

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Speaker 3: response phase for the cyclone, and I can understand that

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Speaker 3: the entire community, not just here in Darwin, but also

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Speaker 3: across the Tiwi Islands all the way to Mingelang and

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Speaker 3: warr We everybody was bunkering down and that we're really

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Speaker 3: worried because it was a tropical cyclone category through and

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Speaker 3: the winds were expected to reach over two hundred and

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Speaker 3: five kilometers an hour. I think, and I think, as

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Speaker 3: I said in one of my interviews, it definitely threaded

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Speaker 3: the eye of the needle, you know, just glancing Darwin

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Speaker 2: Little bit more.

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Speaker 3: I suppose of worrying Anger who probably copped the brunt,

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Speaker 3: who I believe have got ninety five percent of their

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Speaker 3: power restored, which is fantastic that's a really fantastic recovery

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Speaker 3: effort over there by the locals as well as power

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Speaker 3: and water, So congratulate them on that. But I do

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Speaker 3: understand that a lot of the community have got a

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Speaker 3: lot of concerns.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm hearing the.

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Speaker 3: Discussions about waste management and when power coming back on

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Speaker 3: and all those sorts of things. So there are all

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Speaker 3: those things that for me as the Northern Region Controller,

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Speaker 3: you know, the overarching sort of person that was running

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Speaker 3: at day to day for the territory controller, those things

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Speaker 3: stand front and center of mind to me about you know,

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Speaker 3: improvements for next time, how we could maybe improve some things.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's nothing major because we've been through it

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Speaker 3: a lot of times, but what is it there that

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Speaker 3: we can do to reassure the community a little bit more?

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Speaker 3: Is it our messaging, is it doing things a little

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Speaker 3: bit differently here and there. So, yeah, we'll definitely review

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Speaker 3: those things.

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Speaker 1: I reckon it's a good point to make because that

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Speaker 1: has been a little bit of the criticism is that

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Speaker 1: maybe some of the communication could have been slightly better

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Speaker 1: pre like there was a people on Friday going you know,

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Speaker 1: should schools have been sort of notified a little bit earlier.

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Speaker 1: What the go was Friday morning. I know it's tough

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Speaker 1: because there's so much going on at that point in time,

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Speaker 1: but then even on Monday mornings, some people saying, well,

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Speaker 1: should the schools have opened on Monday or should we

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Speaker 1: have maybe had one additional day to let those schools

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Speaker 1: clean up all their debris, etc. So it's a tough one,

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Speaker 1: but I think that is a really important point to

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Speaker 1: make that a review does happen and you go all right, well,

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Speaker 1: how can we potentially do things maybe a little bit

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Speaker 1: better or a little bit differently next time if needed?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Caatie and that's definitely something that we will do.

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Speaker 3: And I can assure your listeners that throughout that whole

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Speaker 3: response phase, I was in very close contact with Kirston Engles,

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Speaker 3: that Superintendent Kurston Engles, who was the incident controller, and

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Speaker 3: we were talking a lot about the media messaging and

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Speaker 3: what we could put out there. But the first for

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Speaker 3: that messaging, the first by the community, was so great that,

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Speaker 3: like I say, I think, I think we just look

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Speaker 3: at a little bit more. I've already proposed some things

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Speaker 3: for next time, but let's just see what that internal

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Speaker 3: review comes out with. We have to do it legislatively,

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Speaker 3: so let's just see what that comes out with to

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Speaker 3: try and make improvements. I do know we improve from

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Speaker 3: Marcus absolutely, so every time we will improve and look.

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Speaker 2: At those things.

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Speaker 1: How you touched on the Tei Islands a moment ago.

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Speaker 1: How is everybody on the tew Wii Islands going at

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Speaker 1: the moment? I know that you know, they probably copped

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Speaker 1: it worse than us. Are they all faring okay at

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Speaker 3: So the communication I've had back, and especially from my

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Speaker 3: is that yes, they're very good. They're in high spirits.

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Speaker 3: I did hear some media as well from locals saying.

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Speaker 2: We've been through this before. You know, we're prepared, We're ready.

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Speaker 3: So I feel for them having power out for so long,

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Speaker 3: I will travel over there at some point in the

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Speaker 3: I know that others have been over there already, but

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Speaker 2: Point and just make sure that the islands themselves are good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and absolutely something that you know, we all hope

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Speaker 1: that they're going to be okay. Gee, it's been good

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Speaker 1: to see like the community wrap around each other and

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Speaker 1: help each other out, isn't it? Like I Dave tole

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Speaker 1: To pop over to my house Sunday morning with a chainsaw,

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Speaker 1: other mates, you know, getting rid of more tree branches.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday we had one of our senior listeners get in

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Speaker 1: some of the greenways. We have one of our other listeners,

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Speaker 1: to go and help her.

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Speaker 2: It's so nice, it's so good.

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Speaker 3: It's that it's it's that Australian spirit, isn't it. And

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Speaker 3: I think you see it in emergency situations across the

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Speaker 3: And so it doesn't change here for the territory, right

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Speaker 3: we get a cyclone and we all chip in. We

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Speaker 3: see a neighbor you know that may have a problem.

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Speaker 3: When we're always out there trying to help one of

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Speaker 2: I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: Hey, one of our listeners got in contact with us,

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Speaker 1: I think it was yesterday or the day before as well,

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Speaker 1: and said that they'd had like five trg go out.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether that was the case and help

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Speaker 3: Look, it could have been, because we've got police officers ever,

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Speaker 3: and I know so I think it was on the

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Speaker 2: I was a long Baggitt road and I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know if people saw that massive tree that was

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know, my producers.

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Speaker 3: There was no traffic direction, so I stopped and I

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Speaker 2: So it's just that it's just that local spirit, isn't

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Speaker 1: And everyone's sort of doing what they got to do

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Speaker 1: the great thing that you see after a natural event

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Speaker 1: step up and that community spirit really shines through, which

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you the Northern territory governments obviously

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Speaker 1: today announces changes around the BDR. So essentially the band

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Speaker 1: Tell me what kind of impact will this have from

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Speaker 3: So, first of all, what it does is it takes

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Speaker 3: I heard before on the radio, it allows people more

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Speaker 3: But it also allows us to police a little bit

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Speaker 3: And what I can say is since the first of

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they transition to the twenty eight

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Speaker 3: At the moment, those people were on seven days as

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Speaker 3: be on twenty eight days, which means that's two hundred

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Speaker 3: joint patrols with the Daily Patroller Group. We coordinate multi

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Speaker 1: Terms of you know, those bdos and we know that

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Speaker 1: the PPSOS the what is that it's the.

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Speaker 2: Police, police publicty, police.

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Speaker 1: Public safety Officers. I was trying to think of the

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Speaker 1: right name for them, the ppsos. SO, in terms of

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Speaker 1: public drunken nurse, but also the on flow then of assaults,

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Speaker 3: Exactly, Katie and I think for me, the PPSO concepts,

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Speaker 3: so the police public safety officer concept is a fantastic

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Speaker 3: the board, in particular that domestic violence offending, and that's

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Speaker 3: what the PPSO concept will do over the coming years

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Speaker 3: is build that police base that go out and target that.

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Speaker 3: And this b too extension to twenty eight days will

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Speaker 3: toolbox to be able to support the community to eventually

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Speaker 3: reduce that harm that it's being caused in the alcohol

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Speaker 1: Now, well, James, we did get a listener question. This

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Speaker 1: one came through yesterday though. Were contacted about petrol stations

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Speaker 1: in relation to drive offs being told that police inform

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Speaker 1: one of the operators not to go after any culprits

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Speaker 3: about those sorts of things. But it's about personal safety.

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Speaker 2: Now that's very strict in terms of when you can

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Speaker 3: So I do advise the community to make sure that

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Speaker 2: About that in terms of that capscum spray.

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Speaker 3: But my advice is with those tools drive offs enter

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Speaker 2: Is Trident hyper and Service Cathro.

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Speaker 3: They do a fantastic job and our clear uprates through

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Speaker 2: They're really really good.

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Speaker 1: So the same person was wondering, do the police prosecute

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Speaker 2: Yes, we do.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, we do investigate them. I will say that they

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Speaker 3: With those particular types of offenses, they're not a public

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Speaker 3: priority list of those investigations got to be open, and honest.

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Speaker 2: They are a little bit down the list, but we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I know I don't know exactly who

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Speaker 3: It, absolutely, Katie and I can say if we could

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Speaker 2: But we can't.

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Speaker 3: We can't be everywhere at any particular time. So my

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Speaker 1: People behind that Acting Assistant Commissioner James O'Brien, before I

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Speaker 3: Probably a few messages, Katie, drive safe, drive to get home,

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Speaker 3: about so you will definitely see more police, more random

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Speaker 1: I think it's good. I think I like to see

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Speaker 1: well you might think twice about it. But for those

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Speaker 2: Absolutely and that is absolutely right, Katie.

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Speaker 3: So just drive to revive, get home safe, make sure

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Speaker 1: Acting Assistant Commissioner James O'Brien good to speak with you

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Speaker 1: this morning. Thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you