1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Steph Claire 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: Smith defends her husband's decision to go on a boy's 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: trip while she looks after their newborn. Molly May's untouchable 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: status is under threat, and Love Island UK's big revival 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: thanks to TikTok booth First Grace Episcopo has divided the 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Internet by taking part in the You're So Funny TikTok 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: trend at an influencer event. For those not familiar with 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: this trend, content creators respond to the question You're so 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: funny with thanks, and then they share an anecdote explaining 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: what shape their sense of humor. 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: And it often can be quite dark. 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: So some people bring up childhood traumas or their mental 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: health struggles, and Gracie's response ended up being very dark. 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: This is what she said, Thanks, my ex's in jail now. 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: If that was too quick for people, she does say thanks, 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: my ex is in jail now. Gracie is, of course 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: referring to her ex, Andre Ribello. They were in a 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: relationship for around eight years and had a child together 21 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: before he was arrested in twenty twenty on suspicions of 22 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: murdering his mother. Yeah, So in April, he was found 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: guilty and sentenced to life in prison. So prosecutors alleged 24 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: that Andre killed his own mother to claim her one 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: point one five million dollar life insurance policy, and this 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: was apparently to keep up with his influencer lifestyle. Yeah, 27 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: because at the time of the murder, Andre and Gracie 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 1: were in significant debt that exceeded one hundred thousand dollars. 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: It's important to note that Gracie has never been accused 30 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: of any wrongdoing and there is no evidence that she 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: knew anything about Andre's crime, and she really did distance 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: herself from Andre during the trial and for the last 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: two years she's been dating Daniel Classen's Now. In terms 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: of Gracie's comment, we put it out to Outspoken's audience 35 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: and asked was it funny or insensitive? And it was 36 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: split right down the middle. How did you feel about it? Look, 37 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: I get that she was trying to be funny, but 38 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: I think it comes across as insensitive because somebody has 39 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: lost their life like this is a real person. 40 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: This is the grandmother of her child. 41 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's the way it was presented 42 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: that made me feel uncomfortable. It's obviously been said for 43 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: shock factor, which will drive a lot of engagement, but 44 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: it was actually posted by a brand, so yeah, and 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: I think under the circumstances, as you mentioned, it would 46 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 1: be really upsetting for Colleen Robello's family. That's been used 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: as a bit of a punchline in order to get 48 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: social media engaged. 49 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 50 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean there were other big name influences in this video. 51 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro was in it and she said, well, thanks, 52 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm going through a divorce now. That was funny, Like 53 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: that is actually a good one to mention because it's 54 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: her poking fun at herself. 55 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: Or was tongue in cheek. 56 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it might not be great for Matt to 57 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: see it, but I think it's a lot different to 58 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: poking fun at someone who has died, particularly Gracey Piscoppo's 59 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: son's grandmother. I mean, I understand a lot of people 60 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: were saying, oh, it's a coping mechanism for Gracie, and 61 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, we don't know how she's feeling at all. 62 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: But I think it was distasteful, and if I was 63 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: Grace's pr manager, I would say steer clear of this topic, 64 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: never talk publicly on it, particularly after all the media 65 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: coverage which said that Andre's motive for killing his mother 66 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: was to maintain this influencer lifestyle, because even though she 67 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it, it still reflects badly 68 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: on her. 69 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to distance yourself from that completely. 70 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: I wonder if the brand told her, like gave her 71 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: the idea of saying that comment. 72 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: Well, even if they did, she still doesn't have to 73 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: say it. 74 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: Surely you would be like, no, that is completely wrong 75 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: of me to say in this joky manner. And then 76 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Billy and I heading to whom so I'm so excited. 77 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, They've booked me in for a massage 78 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: and a bath this afternoon. Steph Clare Smith has sparked 79 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: debate after revealing her family's unorthodox holiday plans. The fitness 80 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: entrepreneur shared that her husband Josh was off on a 81 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: boy's snow trip to New Zealand, while she checked into 82 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: a gifted stay at a postpartum hotel with their newborn 83 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: Billy As for their four year old son, Harvey Well 84 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: he's staying with his grandparents at the family's eight million 85 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: dollar Murray River property. 86 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 2: Straight off the back. 87 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: This just sounds like rich people problems to me. But 88 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: on a more serious note, it has sparked debate around 89 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: gender roles and support for primary parents. Now. These unconventional 90 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: holiday plans came off the back of a partnership deal 91 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: Steph struck with a postpartum hotel called Home And it 92 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: turns out Josh was originally going to stay at the 93 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: hotel too, but Steph said she was happy for him 94 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: to holiday with his mates because he really needed the 95 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: time allway. As for Harvey, he couldn't stay at the 96 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: hotel because it doesn't accommodate for kids over twelve months old, 97 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: So in a bid to ensure he didn't feel left out, 98 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: Steph came up with the idea for him to have 99 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: his own little holiday. She finished off by saying, we've 100 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: all got some time to ourselves, filling up our cups now. 101 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: A day later, Steph revealed that she had received a 102 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: DM from a follower questioning Josh's need to holiday with friends. 103 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: The DM said, but why does your h spend need 104 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: time with mates? 105 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: Like? 106 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: What about you doesn't sound at all like alone time 107 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: for you, nor a vacation for you. Like I could 108 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: never imagine my husband going on a snow trip with 109 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: friends while I'm with the newborn baby, Like what the fuck? 110 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: He's always either with me or the babies. Also, not 111 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: to mention, you're like the one who works on top 112 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: of it all. Sorry, but that doesn't feel right. I 113 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: can't imagine now. Steph admitted that the DM rattled her 114 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: and went on to defend her and Josh's decision. Interestingly, 115 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: she turned it into a conversation about the need to 116 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: support primary parents and for those who don't know, Josh 117 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: actually took on the role of stay at home dad 118 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: when Harvey was born, while Steph returned to work full time. 119 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah so, Steph declared that dad's lives changed too when 120 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: they become parents, and it doesn't mean they don't deserve 121 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: time to themselves or with friends. So she went on 122 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: to explain that Josh feels very isolated being a stay 123 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: at home dad because most of his friends work full time. 124 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: She wrote, so I've always encouraged him to book in 125 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: some time out of the house and to connect with friends, 126 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: and the same goes for me. When I'm not working, 127 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm craving me time, slash alone time and or time 128 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: with friends to recharge. Josh does so much to support 129 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: me and our family. He is constantly putting us first. 130 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, but he absolutely does deserve this time away. 131 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: I'm going to be honest. 132 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: My initial reaction to this story was that Josh shouldn't 133 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: be going overseas on a boy's trip when he has 134 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: a newborn. 135 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 2: I thought the optics were really bad. 136 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that most people would see that and 137 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: go what the fuck? Like, why is he leaving when 138 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: the baby's only very young? However, I think Steph brought 139 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: up some really good points. Yeah, and originally it didn't 140 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: surprise me that a follower pushed back and said, I 141 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: can't believe you're letting him go. But then when I 142 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: read Steph's explanation, it really made me question my initial 143 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: response because when she spoke about how Josh was feeling isolated, 144 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: it really hit a chord with me because I've been 145 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,119 Speaker 1: feeling very similar for a year now. I've never joined 146 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: a mum's group, and none of my close friends have 147 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: had children until recently, so I know what it's like 148 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: to be the parent that's at home and you're waiting 149 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: for your husband to get home, and you don't really 150 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: go out that often. You don't spend a lot of 151 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: time with people. So when you do have time to 152 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: spend with friends, it's so important. Well for Josh as well, 153 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: because most of his friends were actually at work, they 154 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: weren't being stay at home dads. He probably wouldn't have 155 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: had that opportunity to even join a parenting group. Are 156 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: there even dad's groups out there? No, I don't think 157 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: there are. And it really opened my eyes and made 158 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: me think, well, this is quite a unique situation because 159 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: Josh is going to be the primary caregiver for Billy, 160 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: their newborn baby, and he's in the position where he's 161 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: not the breastfeeding parent, so he can actually have a 162 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: little bit of time away from the baby because Steph 163 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: has chosen to exclusively breastfeed. He can have a little 164 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: bit of recharge time while Steph is at this hotel, 165 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: and then he's going to be back in the full 166 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: swing of things when Steph is. 167 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: Back at work with the newborn. Yeah. 168 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to do what's best for you 169 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: and your family. It seems like Josh might be burnt 170 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: out and he needs that trip away with friends in 171 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: order to bunker down because Steph is going to be 172 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: back at work soon and then the responsibility of looking 173 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: after Billy in the day is going to be all 174 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: on him. And I think it's pretty clear that Steph 175 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: and Josh have been really open with each other on 176 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: what they want and need from this current dynamic. I'm 177 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: guessing this could have been. 178 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: Guided by a therapists because Steph. 179 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: And Josh have been open that they've been working with 180 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: a couple's counselor around navigating Steph's recent ADHD diagnosis. They 181 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: even had their own couples counseling session on Steph's podcast, 182 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: So it's likely this was a part of negotiations for 183 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: Josh to continue to be the stay at home parent 184 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: and that's allowing him to spend time with friends because 185 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: just ten months ago, he was holidaying with his mates 186 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: in Europe, just before Steph announced her pregnancy. I think 187 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people read into that because it's not 188 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: really the norm for couples to have holidays without each other, 189 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: But I think it has a lot to do with 190 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: the fact that they're absolutely loaded. Yeah, they're able to 191 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: echo on these holidays away from each other. Well, I 192 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: suppose with normal people, if you're going to go on holiday, 193 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: you're saving up all year and going on one with 194 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: your family, Whereas when you have a lot of money, 195 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: you can go on multiple holidays. 196 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 2: You can go on. 197 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: Boys trips, girls trips, family trips. Is it funny the 198 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: way though, that people judge Josh because in that initial 199 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: message that that follower sent Steph, they said, oh, and 200 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: you're having to go back to work, and can you 201 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: imagine if the roles were reversed, it's sort of diminishing 202 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: the role of a stay at home parent. Yeah, it's 203 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: so hypocritical because at one point they're saying, I can't 204 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: believe Josh has left you at home to do everything, 205 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: But in the next breath they're saying, oh, well, the 206 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: role of a stay at home dad's not even that hard, 207 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: and you're the one earning all the money. Like it's like, well, 208 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: pick aside. And it's interesting to consider what this conversation 209 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: would have been like if it was a mother going 210 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: on an overseas girl's trip and leaving a newborn with 211 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: the dad. I think it's pretty fair to say the 212 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: woman would have been slammed even more, even if the 213 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: plan was for her to be the primary caregiver once 214 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: she's back and for her husband to return to work. 215 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: As we discussed last week, the absolute crap that Abby 216 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: Holmes copped for actually going back to work, not even 217 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: going on a holiday, but for returning to the workplace. 218 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: So maybe it's fair that Josh did cop it because 219 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: if it was a woman, he'd be also copying it. 220 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: Hash tag equality. I think it's just. 221 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: Difficult for everyone to disconnect the gender roles from the 222 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: equation at the moment. Well, the end of the day, 223 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: if Steph doesn't have an issue with it, what's the problem. Yeah, 224 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: On a different note, how did you feel about Steph 225 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: Clesmith being gifted a stay at this postpartum hotel. I've 226 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: seen this hotel popping up everywhere. So they were recently 227 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: featured on an episode of the Baby Talk podcast, and 228 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: they're obviously doing some great pr Oh. I mean, yeah, 229 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: of course there'd be other mums that would be really 230 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: deserving of this and would really appreciate it. Considering you know, 231 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: we've mentioned a few times Steph's wealth. She obviously has 232 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: a very nice house that she could be staying in. 233 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: But from a marketing perspective, it's a great move to 234 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: have Steph there. I mean, how many more people would 235 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: have learnt about this luxury boutique hotel because of this partnership. 236 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: In terms of her house, she doesn't actually have a 237 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 1: particularly nice house at the moment. They're bulldozing it and 238 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: they're renovating their shed. But I get what you mean. 239 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: She has the support where she could pay to stay 240 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: at this hotel because it does cost one three hundred 241 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: dollars a night. Yeah, so she could have paid for 242 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: it herself. She also could be poor. She could have 243 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: but like, if they're giving it for free as part 244 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: of this partnership, I mean, they're probably paying her to 245 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: promote it as well. I can see my people were 246 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: a little bit annoyed about it, because I think Steph 247 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: has been really open about the fact that she has 248 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: a lot of help from her parents. She also has 249 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: the means to pay for cleaners, which she does. She 250 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: could have a night nurse, a night nanny. 251 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 3: No. 252 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: I completely understand that. 253 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: I can understand the frustration by people, but I also 254 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: can see why this particular boutique hotel has chosen Steph 255 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: Claire Smith to promote it because she has such a 256 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: large audience. 257 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense. 258 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can see why she has allowed Josh 259 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: to go on this overseas trip, considering that she is 260 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: getting help around the clock at this postpartum hotel. It's 261 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: not like she's stuck at home by herself looking after 262 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: her newborn. 263 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, hang on a minute, are you mind that? 264 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 265 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 4: You're not my meg exactly. Do not come on here 266 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 4: walking up to me trying to get you five minutes 267 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 4: on TV been I met you and all them other girls. 268 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 4: You're just jealous because I don't even want to get 269 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 4: to know you. That's the only reason that you're causing 270 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 4: problems for me and my mad Like. We're absolutely find like, 271 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: we don't need you to tell us wish whether we 272 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 4: should be open or closed or whatever. You're just chalous 273 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: because you'll never be me or by ma. 274 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Love Island UK is having a revival. Despite its lagging 275 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: TV numbers, The twelfth season of the series, which is 276 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,599 Speaker 1: set to conclude next week, has instead captivated social media audiences. 277 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: I have been living for this season of UK Love Island. 278 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't really keen on it last year. It didn't 279 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: captivate me, no, but every night I'm excited to watch it. 280 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: And the producers need a pat on the back because 281 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: they have made some. 282 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: Tweaks like the sleepover to create extra. 283 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: Drama early on, and I've never seen a season like it. 284 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: There is constant couple changing and also the casting has 285 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: been excellent because the dynamic between the girls. Often on 286 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: Love Island, all the. 287 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: Girls have each other's back and they're. 288 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: Best friends, but there is this standoff between two groups 289 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: of women that causes so much tension. Well, it really 290 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: has been the make it or break it season for 291 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: Love Island. Before it aired, there was a lot of 292 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: talk about whether the show was going to get canned 293 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: because the ratings have been low, and that's why I 294 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: was really surprised when I looked up this season's ratings 295 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: and saw that it actually wasn't doing that well, like 296 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: as well as I expected. Yeah, so the season launch 297 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: was pretty successful. It got two point six million viewers, 298 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: which was almost double the audience of twenty twenty three's 299 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: low of one point three million. 300 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 2: The first week, though it really lagged. It looked like 301 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: it was. 302 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: Going to be a bomb, but it's now getting similar 303 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: viewership figures to season eight, which was the successful season 304 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: with Ecnsuit and David eight. The numbers are a long 305 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: way off twenty nineteen's Heyday, though, when six million people 306 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: tuned in to see the finale of Molly Mays series. 307 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: It's also been competing with the seventh season of the 308 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: US version, which has had massive success. The big difference 309 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: now is that the way we watch reality TV has 310 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: completely changed to TikTok, and when you look at Love 311 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: Island social media stats, its growth online has surpassed its 312 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: success on TV. So Love Island has gained one point 313 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: eight million followers since the start of twenty twenty five, 314 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: with a million of those on TikTok. It also has 315 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: a collective following of thirteen million followers over its various 316 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: official accounts. So it turns out people are really interested 317 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: in Love Island, but they just can't commit to watching 318 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: the TV show every night, so the short form updates 319 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: are really appealing. Is this because TikTok has ruined our 320 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: attention spans? We can't even sit through an episode of 321 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: Love Island. It's funny because I saw a lot of 322 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: people saying, oh, I can't commit to watching it every night, 323 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: but I can watch the updates on TikTok. It's like, 324 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: I bet you you're still sitting. 325 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: In front of your TV screen and you just scroll. 326 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: But it is summer in England, so people are out 327 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: and about more so it makes sense that they're able 328 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: to actually keep abreast of what's going on TikTok instead. Well, 329 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: it does make sense because when you miss an episode, 330 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, I'm behind. I don't understand 331 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: the discourse that's going on on social media, and I 332 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: think that's a big draw of Love Island at the 333 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: moment you want to be in on the disc I 334 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: think as well, because there are so many episodes each week. 335 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: Because I started watching Love Island UK late and when 336 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: I finally watched the first episode, I think there was 337 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: something like thirty other episodes I needed to catch up on, 338 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: and often you think, fuck, can I actually get through 339 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: that many episodes to get up to date? 340 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: Is there a point? Yeah? 341 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: Like it can be quite an intimidating fee. I mean 342 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: I have been getting through them quite quickly. I disappointed 343 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: You're only up to Cassa Moore. You have so much 344 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: more to go, which I'm kind of jealous of because 345 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm completely up to date. I've just watched The Grafties. 346 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god, the Grafties. Yeah, is that like an 347 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: award show? Yeah, they have the award show. They've introduced 348 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: it fairly recently, and it's just a way for the 349 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: producers to air clips of people talking behind each other's 350 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: backs and cause so much drama. 351 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: It has cause chaos. 352 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: But do you think with so many reality shows, like 353 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: even if you think back to the US series of 354 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: The Bachelor, you had to put in that grind early on. 355 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: You know, the first couple of episodes, it's a bit boring, 356 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: the characters are being introduced, and then it gets so good. 357 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: It's like jen Zea's don't have the attention spend actually 358 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: put in that hard way. 359 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: W they're not putting it in the effort. 360 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing is they are missing out because Okay, yeah, 361 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: you can watch the best clips on TikTok, but you're 362 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: not getting the experience of the actual show. I do 363 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: draw the line at watching the unseen bits episodes. 364 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to see this shit. 365 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of content creators who need 366 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: a metal for ensuring that Love Island is sticking around 367 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: because while there's you know, the funny or dramatic moments 368 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: of the show that go viral, a lot of the 369 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: videos are also created by people completely disconnected with the show. 370 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: They're the people at home who are doing recaps or 371 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: making funny clips. We need to share the best Love 372 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: Island tiktoks because there's this one comedian who keeps posting 373 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: stuff about Dejon Yeah, and he's like. 374 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: My meg my mug. It is so fucking funny. 375 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: That guy is fucking hilarious. There is a little bit 376 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: of a downside to it when you consider a lot 377 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: of reality TV contestants used to complain about the edit 378 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: and how, oh, you're only seeing such a small part 379 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: of me in this hour episode. But when you consider 380 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: that now people are consuming Love Island via like thirty 381 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: seven clips, you can imagine that people are being completely 382 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: villainized and you're really not getting a full picture of 383 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: who the person is. Well, have you had a look 384 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,719 Speaker 1: at the contestants' Instagram accounts this year, like have they 385 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: gone off? Well, one contestant that has completely gone off, 386 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: which actually surprised me, is Yasmine. So she wasn't very 387 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: popular when she came in as a bombshell. But she's 388 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: actually been nicknamed on TikTok yazz GPT because I mean 389 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: recent I were discussing it and so from Brandon were 390 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: also on the same page, were. 391 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: Like, she seems like AI. Like she's very. 392 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: Robotic, she is like her, she's got the best posture. 393 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: Well like, it's literally like. 394 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: They've sent in an AI bot because she wasn't very 395 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: empathetic either, And basically that's what everyone has been saying online. 396 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: And this video of her giving posture lessons has gone 397 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: viraless howd over a mine in views And they recently 398 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: did a vote on the show who was the most 399 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: popular contestant and I was shocked when it was Yasmin 400 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: And then it all makes sense. 401 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: It's because of TikTok. 402 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, because Love Island made the decision a few years 403 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: ago not to tag the Islanders in a lot of 404 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: their content because they wanted to stop them getting bullied online, 405 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: and this really stemmed the flow of a lot of 406 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 1: the contestants attracting followers. It's interesting, though, because it's no 407 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: longer that someone is just popular on the show. They 408 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: have to now have some sort of viral moment to 409 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: get really big, and that's what we've seen with Yasmin. 410 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: So it's really interesting to consider the way of how 411 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: these people are now building followings. Because Molly May was 412 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: really popular on her series of Love Island, but I 413 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't say she would have had some viral moment that 414 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: would have seen her TikTok explode. 415 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: So now we're. 416 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: Actually seeing contestants get really popular that you wouldn't expect. Yeah, 417 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: but is that going to have longevity then, because it 418 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: seems like a bit of a fickle follow like it 419 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like with Molly people follow her because they 420 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: have seen her on Love Island. 421 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 2: They genuinely like cave. 422 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: If you've seen five minutes of someone with good posture, 423 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: you're probably going to give him a sneaky follow, but 424 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: then forget about them. 425 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: I think it just. 426 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: Plays into the saturated market that is the influencer space 427 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: at the moment. Also, the way these clips are going 428 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: viral that are completely out of context to how they 429 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: were meant. And I've been seeing a lot of YouTubers 430 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: complain about this occurrence too, where something they've said in 431 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: a long form YouTube video has been completely taken out 432 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: of context and they're trolled and they just don't want 433 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: to actually post content anymore. Have you seen that meme 434 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: floating around of Harrison at the airport with his mum 435 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: and she looks like an older version of Tony? I haven't, 436 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: but you told me about it. Amy, who's your favorite 437 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: guy on Love Island at the moment? Now you're right 438 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: to Castromrey. I mean, I like Harry for entertainment purposes, 439 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: but like, he's a complete dickhead. If I had to 440 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 1: actually choose any of them to couple up with, I 441 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: don't know who I choose, because even someone like Tommy, 442 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: he's apparently meant to be nice, but. 443 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know. Just something about him gives 444 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: me the itck. 445 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: See, I've decided because Reson and I were like, who 446 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: would you pick? I actually need to find out who 447 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: he would, but I would pick Connor. 448 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 2: I love Connor. Oh yeah, Connor's really nice. He's growing 449 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 2: on me. 450 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: I love the accent as well. I was just sad 451 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: that Megan left so early on. 452 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 2: Because oh buck, Amy, Oh she's. 453 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: Oh okay, that makes so much sense, because I was like, 454 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: why the fuck would they waste her? 455 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 2: Like why would they have? Okay? 456 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: Cool? 457 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 5: I will get to the end of summer having not 458 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 5: done one fun thing. 459 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: Followers have slammed Molly May, labeling her out of touch 460 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: after she complained in a recent vlog that she hasn't 461 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: done one fun thing this summer now. This is despite 462 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: Molly sitting center court at Wimbledon during a brand trip 463 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: with evy, On, holidaying in the Isle of Man with 464 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: Tommy Fury in his new eighty six thousand pound camper van, 465 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: and celebrating her twenty sixth birthday in Disneyland. TikTok has 466 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: been flooded with videos critiquing Molly, with one user saying 467 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: she needs to spend more time with real people who 468 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: work nine to five jobs to get a grasp on reality. 469 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 5: Molly May feels like she's not had any fun this summer. 470 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 5: She doesn't know real people. When you do not surround 471 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 5: yourself or go to an office or hang out with 472 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 5: people who are struggling to pay their counsel, tax bill 473 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 5: or juggling a millionaire one kids, when you don't meet 474 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 5: real people with real problems, you become isolated in your 475 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 5: own little world and in your own little bubble, and 476 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 5: you find every single thing that goes wrong in your life, 477 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 5: the biggest inconvenience. 478 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: Look, I get where people are coming from, because there's 479 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: nothing more infuriating when you see an influencer who is 480 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: so out of touch with reality. But I need to 481 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: defend Molly May here because I watched the full flog 482 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: and her comments have been taken out of context because 483 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: she made these comments after she watched her sister's Zoe 484 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: get all dressed up to head out with friends, and 485 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: the comment was in reference to her not doing anything 486 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: fun with her friends, like she acknowledged, Oh, I've been 487 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: on brand trips, but she said she hasn't really got 488 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: dressed up because she's been at home with Bambi, And 489 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: I think she was kind of feeling sorry for herself 490 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: because she'd had a really tough week with her and 491 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: sometimes you know when you just feel like you're at 492 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: home permanently looking like shit. I mean, it seems like 493 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: she's been a victim of this TikTok trend that we 494 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: were talking about with Love Island, where influencers log will 495 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: get clipped up into a thirty second grab and then 496 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: everyone in the comments goes wild. Yeah, and do you 497 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: remember back in twenty twenty, she made headlines when she 498 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: was on Dire OVERSEEO because. 499 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: Not a good move. 500 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: But she spoke about how she only has a handful 501 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: of friends and it's very rare for her to go 502 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: out and socialize with people. Look, I've got a soft 503 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: spot for Molly, I have to admit that, and I 504 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: do hate it when people are taken out of context 505 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: and completely slammed. But then you are putting your highlight 506 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: reel out at Disneyland, Senapaure, Wimbled and all these events 507 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: that would absolutely make someone summer. So to then say, oh, 508 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: but I haven't got to spend time with my friends. 509 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've done a lot of other cools. 510 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also think that a lot of people 511 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: are piling onto Molly May and also her sister Zoe. 512 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: We spoke about it in our Subs episode how Zoe 513 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: Ray had only lasted forty eight hours in Bali because 514 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: basically she said it didn't live up to all of 515 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: the hype on social media and that we've you zoomed 516 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: out of all the beautiful coffee shops. It wasn't it 517 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: basically wasn't very nice and people have been absolutely slamming her. 518 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I love Balley. I think she needed to 519 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: give it more of a go. 520 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: But I think that Zoe's comments haven't helped, and now 521 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: people are going, well, they're not one of us. Well again, 522 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: those comments were clipped up on TikTok and people ran 523 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: wild in the comments. I think though, that Molly and 524 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: Zoe are both massive influencers in the UK, and maybe 525 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: they need to be more careful and have someone actually 526 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: view their content before it goes live. 527 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 528 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: It. Zoe is clearly aware of it, because in a 529 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: follow up vlog she mentioned how she wished she'd worn 530 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: something a bit nicer in her Bari vlog because she 531 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: knew that those clips were going to go viral on TikTok. 532 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: I think maybe they purposely leave this stuff in because 533 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: it actually makes them relevant. I mean, these days, influencers 534 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: are scared to say anything because of the backlash, but 535 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: it only really helps in increase their profiles and keeps 536 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: people interested in what they're talking about. 537 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 538 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: I saw publications being like, is this the end of 539 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: Molly May? She's so out of touch someone ninety percent 540 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: of influences. That's why we follow them. 541 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: Because we want you to live vicariously through that. Yeah. 542 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: Also the references to people saying that, oh, Molly went 543 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: on this trip to the Isle of Man in Tommy's 544 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: sixty eight thousand or eighty six thousand dollar camp event. 545 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: That trip sounded fucking awful. That's probably why she was 546 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: so depressed after it, because she said that they went 547 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: on this car fairy with Bambi, and normally Bambie is 548 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: in this strict routine, but they thought, oh no, well, 549 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, we'll just give it a go. She screamed 550 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: the whole way on the fairy. She didn't get to 551 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: sleep till two am. It sounded like an absolute nightmare. 552 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: That's the thing though, because she's also now being attacked 553 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: for recent commentary she made about parenting, and that's because 554 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: she's opened up about her struggles with Bambi, So it 555 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: seems she can't win. It's like, on one end, you 556 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: be relatable and you're accused of winging, and then you say, 557 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: oh my summer actually wasn't that great, even though I 558 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: got to go to all of these events, and you're 559 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: out of touch. Yeah, well, one TikToker. She's gone viral. 560 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: She's a self confessed stan of Molly. But she said 561 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: even she was irritated by Molly's complaints. Let's have a 562 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: listen to what she said. 563 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 3: I was slightly agitated by how much she was frustrated 564 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 3: with Bambie. The things that all of our kids do right, 565 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 3: Like she doesn't finish all of her dinner, she had 566 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: a meltdown, she wants to sit on my lap, like 567 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: she just I just sensed the energy that she's just 568 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 3: getting frustrated with being a mom. Maybe I don't know 569 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: if she's forstrated with being a mum. I don't know 570 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 3: if she's frustrated because Bambi acts like a toddler, not 571 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 3: as like an aesthetic prop. Maybe I don't. 572 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 4: I don't know. 573 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 3: I'm just throwing wild accusations out there. 574 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: I think that comment about Molly being frustrated that Bambie 575 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: wasn't some aesthetic prop was a bit of a low blow. 576 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: Has she seen Indy Clinton's content? It's actually better if 577 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: your kids are wild, It's more entertaining. Like that is 578 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: a specific niche on social media where people love seeing 579 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: kids be naughty. I actually found it really refreshing Molly 580 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: opening up about her struggles with Bambi. I think sometimes 581 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 1: people forget that Molly is twenty six. I mean, she's 582 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: the first time mum. It's tough as it is. I mean, 583 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: would people prefer her to be acting as if everything 584 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: was okay and magical. I think at the moment we're 585 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: seeing such a reckoning with children being online, and I 586 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: think that she is getting this camp of people who 587 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: are like, you shouldn't be sharing Bambi. I mean recently 588 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: there was a clip of Bambi urinating on the carpet 589 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: that went viral, and I think that hasn't helped the 590 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: situation where people being like, just stop sharing too much 591 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: about her online. And I think that's cascaded with people 592 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: being like, oh, stop winging about her, stop complaining about it. 593 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: As an adult, she's going to see this content. I 594 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: saw that TikTok, and I mean, I do think it's 595 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: sharing too much by talking about. 596 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 2: Bambi wing on the carpet. 597 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: But I had to laugh because her poor cat's Eggy 598 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: and Bread they have been blamed for urinating on her 599 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: cup for freaking months. 600 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: And I saw one. 601 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: Comment that said something like poor eggiye and bread coppying 602 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: the blame. 603 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: And I think we all know who the culprit is. 604 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: Being well again in that clip, Molly was slammed because 605 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: her sister Zoe was seen disciplining Bambi. Yeah, she kind 606 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: of took on the role of saying, oh, why did 607 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: you do it? You're not meant to do it, whereas 608 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: Molly kind of sat back and just filmed what happened. 609 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 610 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people have also been asking where 611 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: is Tommy? And Molly shared a new vlog on Monday 612 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: and she addressed a lot of this backclash, and she 613 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: also spoke about Tommy and she said, well, he is 614 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 1: there eighty to ninety percent of the time, but I'm 615 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: choosing not to vlog when he's around because obviously them 616 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: getting back together is quite new. And she said, well, 617 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: the other time, Zoe is with me and she's living 618 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: with me, so of course she's helping me. I think 619 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: this backclash was always going to happen, because if you 620 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: reflected this time last year in August, she and Tommy 621 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: broke up and everyone felt so sorry for her. She 622 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: was put on this pedestal. She was compared to Princess Diana. 623 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: She was the people's princess, and since her docco aired 624 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: and news broke that she was back with Tommy Fury. 625 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: A lot of people have got their backs up about it, 626 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: and we also got an insight into the fact that 627 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: Zoe does not like Tommy, so then that's going to 628 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: add more fuel to the fire, like, oh well, why 629 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: is Zoe parenting and Tommy's not there. We mentioned the 630 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: pedestal that Molly's on. I mean, this story made its 631 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: way from TikTok to the UK papers. So in this 632 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: recent vlog that Molly shared, she had four pap cars 633 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: following her this week trying to get the first snap 634 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: of verse since this controversy broke. I love you say 635 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: that was surprised. It's like media just scoured TikTok now 636 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: for any. 637 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: Sort of post. 638 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: It was really clear in this video that Molly was 639 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: grappling with how much to actually share about Bambi and 640 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: that these comments had really gotten into her head because 641 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: at the start of ev log she was in the 642 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: car with Bambi crying because she was so frustrated, but 643 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: didn't really share any details of what had happened. 644 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: And at the end of herv. 645 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: Log Molly said, look, I'm actually really bad with keeping secrets, 646 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: like you can just tell on my face. She said, 647 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: I was worried about going into further detail about what 648 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: had happened because of all the judgment online, and she 649 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: explained that she felt so suffocated by the fact that 650 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: she couldn't open up to avlog about what was going 651 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: on and has decided that she is just going to 652 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: be honest moving forward. It's interesting because it seems like 653 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: this is a two way transaction for Molly and her followers. 654 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: A lot of people have come out and said, I 655 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 1: feel seen Molly when you talk about this type of stuff. 656 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: And for Mollie, she's obviously getting a lot of messages 657 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: back saying oh, I'm the same, and she gets validation 658 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: through that. So I think she just needs to keep 659 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: sharing that content if it makes her feel good and 660 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: it's making other people feel good, and shut out the 661 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: comments on TikTok. I know that would be difficult. Yeah, well, 662 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank 663 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to another episode of Outspoken, 664 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: And if you do enjoy our content, we drop a 665 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: subscriber only episode every Thursday, which is basically an extension 666 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: of our show where we talk more about influencer topics 667 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: from the week. Also on Friday, we are dropping part 668 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: one of our two part series on Freely the Banana Girl. 669 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm very excited for that to finally air. This podcast 670 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people 671 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: of the Adelaide Plains. 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