1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Celebrating International Women's Day. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: It's a special Woman Woody podcast. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 3: It has been one hell of shows Afternoon. 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 4: That's probably one of the best shows we've ever done, 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 4: one of the most informative shows. I would say this 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 4: is a show where I've learned more than any other show. 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 4: And I want to be clear that's not because of 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 4: you and me, so that is because of the incredible 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 4: list of guests we have had joining us over the 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 4: last two hours. Yeah, kicked off with mel Buddle. If 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 4: you don't know who mel Budle is, she was an 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 4: hom celebrity Get Me out of Here, an incredible comedian 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 4: and writer who gave an amazing perspective on what it's 14 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 4: like being a woman on the stand up comedy circuit, 15 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 4: which is a man's game, or has been historically a 16 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 4: man's game. Yea, And she pushed through that and she 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 4: was really spoke amazingly on it, and she's amazing. 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 5: Well, it's been a phenomenal International Women's Day here. The 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 5: thing's been choosed to challenge and just hearing different women 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 5: speak about that from their perspectives. Taylor, obviously famous famous, 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 5: got famous really for challenging the photo that got posted 22 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 5: of her kicking the footy with her leg up hind 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 5: in the air, and her responding to the derogatory comments 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 5: and the withdrawal of that post, and she spoke a 25 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 5: little bit more about how she continues to campaign quite 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 5: like literally in the community, like she she is out 27 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 5: there and she is so so strong, and she told 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 5: a wild anecdote about it experience. She had a blow 29 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 5: she had with a bloke in a bar recently who 30 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 5: was belittling and degrading one of her mates, and wow, 31 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 5: that was seriously worth listening to. 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: Amy Shark was on the show as well. 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 4: Amy Shark thought about the fact that you know, no 34 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 4: one really when it came to creating the music. Sure, 35 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 4: she put the tracks down, but she said a lot 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 4: of men within her career, especially early on Okay you 37 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 4: can go now, will do all the yeah. 38 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and she felt nervous approaching the desk that's it. 39 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: Whereas you know, it's incredible that she has chosen to 40 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 4: challenge and she has, you know, most recent album she's done, 41 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 4: she's done it all. 42 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that. 43 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 4: Was amazing to hear from her perspective there, yep. And 44 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 4: then you know, we also had our mums as well. 45 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 4: Wilbur and I'll quote your mum again. I quoted your 46 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 4: mum to Amy Sharks. I thought the quote was so powerful, 47 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 4: but she. 48 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: Said that she drubbed Schuck. 49 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 4: She said, your mom said, it's not women that need 50 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 4: to get stronger. Women are already strong. She did, it's 51 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: the perception of women that needs to change. And I 52 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 4: just think that was I mean amazingly, not no offense 53 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 4: to you, mum, but amazingly she had quote the day 54 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 4: she spoke. 55 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 5: Really well, well, so have we heard your mum on 56 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 5: as well, who just had a phenomenal story about twenty 57 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 5: years of study and effort becoming a doctor, ditching her 58 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 5: career whilst also raising a family, which is really really 59 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 5: awesome stuff. We were proud as punching here, guys. They 60 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 5: were phenomenal chats and we all finished it off as 61 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 5: well with a Strain of the year Grace Tanne. And 62 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 5: you haven't heard our chat with her? Well, yeah, that's 63 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 5: that's really admissible. 64 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 6: Gear. 65 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 7: Who go and where is Fudboddy? Does care? 66 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 8: What? 67 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 5: Okay, listen, listen list it's International Women's Day. We've got 68 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 5: a swathe of amazing guests. Woulds and Shark's going to 69 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 5: join it. Our mums are going to be on the show, 70 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 5: Taylor Harris as well. So really some some wonderful guests 71 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 5: to celebrate International Women's Day, but all of them are phenomenal. 72 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 5: We're going to kick it off with a cracker as well. 73 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 5: We've had her on the show before. She was obviously 74 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 5: get me out of here a little while ago. She 75 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 5: is a phenomenal writer, comedian, TV presenter, all the above things. 76 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: Her name's Melbudo. 77 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 9: The last time we spoke to this lovely lady, she 78 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 9: was telling us how hungry she was after a stint. 79 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 6: In the jungle. 80 00:03:59,160 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 5: She was in. 81 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 9: There are whole forty seven minutes before I free snakes 82 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 9: to Gulvin and she likes. Firstly, I think she was 83 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 9: missing the taste of Victoria sponge and a freshly baked stone. 84 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: Too much time on Australia's baker. 85 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 6: She's not made for the jungle and that's okay. 86 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: She's made for comedy and shoe pastry. 87 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. 88 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 9: Our very special guests for International Women's Day. 89 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: Our favorite a video Bob. 90 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 9: That's someone who's afraid of snakes. 91 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 10: Mel Bottle, I Mel how Aia Kiora, Boys I'm good 92 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 10: for someone who's trapped outside of the borders of their 93 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 10: own country, keeping the spirits up. 94 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: Oh, where are your Melbottle. 95 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 10: I'm in New Zealand who film a TV show and 96 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 10: obviously borders have gone up and being bang bong anyway, 97 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 10: looking forward to doing double quarantine? 98 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: Ah nice? 99 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 4: Do you think you learn from the first quarantine though? 100 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 4: So the second one will be a breeze now? 101 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 10: I think the second one will be absolutely mentally crushing. 102 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it works like that. 103 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 5: Before we go on, we threw it to me going 104 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 5: and she said kia aura boys, which is obviously kiwi 105 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 5: maudi for good. 106 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: How you going? And you said where are you? 107 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? 108 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're learning that and everyone's learning that. 109 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: I just thought she was dropping in a bit of kiwi. 110 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: I didn't think that meant she. 111 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: Was calling really confusing. I'm calling from Patagonia. 112 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 4: Potentially, potentially. But let's move right past that, Mel, because 113 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 4: we've got you on. Well, one of the reasons we've 114 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 4: got you on, Mel is because it's International Women's Day 115 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 4: today and we are celebrating some phenomenal women in Australia. 116 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: I've got some great people coming up. 117 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 4: But you are the only comedian we've got on the show, 118 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 4: and I'm interested to ask you, Mel about how you know, 119 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: how your experience as a woman in the stand up 120 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 4: comedy scene has been And if you think. 121 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: It was more difficult for you because you're a. 122 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 10: Woman, well, it's not more difficult because I'm supremely talented 123 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 10: one of. 124 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 6: The you know. 125 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 10: How to say that without sounding terrible. And it's like 126 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 10: every workplace, you know, there's always little little grotty grubs 127 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 10: in every workplace, and comedy is no different. You know, 128 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 10: There's there's always guys that introduce you to stage by 129 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 10: implying to the audience that they've had sex with you 130 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 10: and stuff like that. But you know, like it's all right, 131 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 10: it's these things. It's a lot better than when I started. 132 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: That's interesting thing for me. 133 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 5: You've got you've kind of like really becoming entered into 134 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 5: the spotlight, mel in a period of wild transition for 135 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 5: comedy where I'd like to think that we're you know, 136 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 5: steadily moving away from uh tired stereotypes and really like 137 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 5: lazy jokes to be honest, that were based on those stereotypes. 138 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 5: Have you have you felt that transition through your career 139 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 5: in comedy, Like, have you really felt a shift there 140 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 5: and do you think there's still a shift to that 141 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 5: needs to happen or do you think it's in a 142 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 5: good spot now? 143 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 6: I reckon we. 144 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 10: Could go a bit more. I reckon I could certainly, 145 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 10: you know, to be given a few more opportunities. Like 146 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 10: what the frustrating thing is is you start comedy with 147 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 10: some boys, right, and then we all plod along and 148 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 10: all of a sudden the blanks you've started with have 149 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 10: their own TV show and you're still, you know, doing 150 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 10: the dabo RSL. 151 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 6: And proudly so. 152 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: We love THERSL. On this show, We've got. 153 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: Melmore Melt next Mel just a reference for everybody before 154 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: we got to a song. 155 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 5: She's gonna be the Melbourne Comedy Festival if you're in Melbourne, 156 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 5: a wonderful chance to see some brilliant homegrown talent. Mel 157 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 5: Buttle Live. Obviously a lot of thought in that name Mel. 158 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 5: We'll talk about that more next. We're kicking it off 159 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 5: with Mel Buttle or joins us. Right now you can 160 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 5: see Melbourn's Comedy Festival, mel Butter Live. 161 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: Mel. 162 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 5: I want to talk to you because the theme around 163 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 5: International Women's Day this year is choose to challenge And 164 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 5: I just wanted to know whether, like a lot of 165 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 5: people who are in comedy, whether you started out thinking 166 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 5: you were going to do something else and then you 167 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 5: chose to challenge yourself to go and do comedy, and 168 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 5: what that transition was like. 169 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 10: Yeah, the harbit is keeping on going in comedy when 170 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 10: you were getting paid fifty dollars and or you can 171 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 10: eat hot chips. Yes, to push through that for the 172 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 10: first few years is difficult, but then but then someone goes, hey, 173 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 10: do you want one hundred dollars? And you think to yourself, 174 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 10: my god, I am I'm a star. You get to 175 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 10: go on, I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. 176 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: Nice being explode? 177 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 4: So Mel, Sorry, was that the moment for you, Mel, 178 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 4: where you were going, Yeah, this is gonna work out 179 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 4: and I'm home here. 180 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 10: That was kind of the biggest thing I've done that. 181 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 10: You know, I was only on the show for forty 182 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 10: six minutes, but that's another issue. But yeah, it was 183 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 10: certainly the biggest mainstream thing I've been a part of. 184 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I suppose the reason I was asking you 185 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 5: before is because I saw that you'd said recently, Mel 186 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 5: that I'd love to talk to you about is and 187 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 5: this hopefully can time with International Women's Days that a 188 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 5: big conception or misconception of comedians is that they're they're 189 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 5: they're confident, they like being the center of attention. Can 190 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 5: I ask you, like, as a woman, I feel like 191 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 5: historically there's almost been like a perceived platform within which 192 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 5: male sort of patriarchal society has allowed women to be 193 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 5: funny within Tell me if I'm saying out of it 194 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 5: out of turn here. 195 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 10: You've chosen some very big words there exactly much. 196 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 3: Are any of them fitting with something that you've experienced before? 197 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 6: Yeah, I get it. 198 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 10: It's kind of like it. Look, let's cut down to it. 199 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 10: Comedy up until pretty recently was a boys job. Like 200 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 10: I work with men. There's a lot there's far more 201 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 10: men in the industry than there are women. But yeah, 202 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 10: it's kind of it's still in twenty twenty one. I 203 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 10: don't know what is wrong, but people think they're giving 204 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 10: you a compliment. And this comes from men and women. 205 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 10: People come up from me after the show and they go, now, 206 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 10: I don't normally like female comedian, but you were pretty good. 207 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 10: I'm like, just cut out the first half of that 208 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 10: COMMENTY say. 209 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 4: I enjoyed the show, so yeah, I knew a lot 210 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: of female comics when I was doing a little bit 211 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 4: of stand up in wa. Yeah, and that happened all 212 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 4: the time. Now it wasn't you were great. It was like, oh, 213 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 4: well I never find women funny, but you were all right? Yeah, 214 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 4: And that was just like a constant read. 215 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's and that's kind of what I what 216 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 5: I was getting at before with all my big words 217 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 5: is that there was almost this like spot that we 218 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 5: allowed women to be funny within which which didn't let 219 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 5: them be necessarily, you know, the lead funny person until well, 220 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 5: for me, like I'm just trying to think in my 221 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 5: own experience, I feel like that got really broken with 222 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,239 Speaker 5: movies like Bridesmaids and Tina. 223 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 11: Fa amy S, these sorts of people were just like, 224 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 11: you know Whatna, we're actually bloody funny and we're going 225 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 11: to be the pinup person is and I don't need 226 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 11: to be a cameo. 227 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 12: Have you? 228 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 3: How do you feel about that? Because I know Tina 229 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 3: fa is a bit of an inspiration of yours. 230 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I love it, and I think unless you 231 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 10: can see it, you can't be it. And Tina Fey 232 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 10: and Standie Rock. Was the first time I saw a 233 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 10: show with a central female character that had created and 234 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 10: I was like, oh, like, are you're allowed to do that? 235 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 6: Is that? 236 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 10: I didn't realize that was allowed. So that was pretty inspirational. 237 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 10: But it's the when we come back down to comedy 238 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 10: comedy club lineups in Australia, people say, oh, Mel, you 239 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 10: m you must know Celia Pecola and I'm like, maybe, ty, 240 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 10: because you know, just because we're the woman on the lineup, 241 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 10: on the woman on the lineup, we're not going to 242 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 10: be there. It's still you. 243 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,239 Speaker 3: Know, yeah, that is amazing. 244 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: What's good. 245 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 4: It's good to hear we go in the right direction though, 246 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 4: Mel and you are a genuine star. The first thing 247 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 4: you said to this interview was that you are supremely 248 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 4: talented and that is bloody true. Melody, that is bloody true. 249 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 4: Go and see her at the Melbourne Comedy Festival. It's 250 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 4: called Mel Buttle Live, which is really bloody exciting and 251 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 4: again we're going to hear a lot more of that name, Mel, 252 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 4: which I'm really excited about. 253 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for joining us well, and thanks for all 254 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 3: your words on that. It's really interesting. 255 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 10: Stuff, my pleasure. Have a good one. 256 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,599 Speaker 5: Boy. Hey it's well and it's Monday, so it's International 257 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 5: Woven's Day, Woods. So you and I are getting a 258 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 5: whole range of amazing, inspiring, in interesting women to come 259 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 5: on to the show and talk about what it's like 260 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 5: being a woman. I had to be inspiring as a woman, 261 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 5: and certainly around the theme today, which is choosing to 262 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 5: challenge for women in twenty twenty one. And a woman 263 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 5: that both you and I are going to be having 264 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 5: on throughout the show is our mums. It was obviously 265 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 5: the inspiring woman that you and I lived under, looked 266 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 5: up to throughout our whole life. So I've got my 267 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 5: mum to kick things off first, and I'm Penny. 268 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 6: Hello Mom, Hi dying. 269 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 4: First off, Penny, has there been any bigger challenge than 270 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 4: looking after Will? 271 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: In his challenge? 272 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: A challenge and a privilege? 273 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 6: Woody? 274 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: Of course, absolutely privilege? 275 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 6: Whatever? What a privilege? 276 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 5: Now? Mum, let's I know you're going to downplay this 277 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 5: a little bit, but speaking of choosing to challenge, I 278 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 5: know you've been challenging yourself over in P ANDNG and 279 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 5: over the last what five or six years now, you've 280 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 5: been going over there with interplast, and I know they've 281 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 5: got some really horrific injuries over in p and G 282 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 5: because men are legally allowed to carry hunting knives machetes, 283 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 5: and as a result, the domestic violence is outrageous and 284 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 5: women suffer awful injuries, and you're on the scene there 285 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 5: essentially showing them how to treat them and working with 286 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 5: them on rehabilitation, which is wild. 287 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 6: Yeah. 288 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: So I have been really privileged to work within the 289 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: class for the last ten years, both in Bangladesh and 290 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: now in Mdang, which is a province of Papla, New Guinea, 291 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: and the women I work with there are extraordinary, brave women. 292 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: One of the women I mentor lives in a house 293 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: of twenty four people live in the house, and she 294 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: actually shares her bed with three other people, her nieces, 295 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: And I've just so blown away by the fact that 296 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: they are So I'm complaining that we're really trying to 297 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: make a change and to try and help them understand 298 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: that there shouldn't be such a thing as a bride's price. 299 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: And so what we're trying to do is really raise 300 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: the profile of women and just to let them understand 301 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: that feminism isn't about making women stronger. Women are already strong. 302 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: It's about changing the way the world perceives that strength. 303 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 4: Well said Panting, I love what you said. There have 304 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 4: been famous. Isn't about, you know, women becoming stronger. They're 305 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 4: already strong. It's more about the perception that people have 306 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 4: of them. What do you think is the key for 307 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: people's perception of women and their strength to change. 308 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: I'm not really sure, Woody, other than the fact that 309 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: you know that within the workplace they're not seen as leaders. 310 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: The percentage of women that compromise all employees in Australia's 311 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: only forty seven percent, and they take home less than 312 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: I think it's something like two hundred and figy dollars 313 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: less than every man every week. So it's making the 314 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: make good people aware that this gender gap still does exist. 315 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: So it's about raising their profile as strong, independent and 316 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: steadfast people who are unwavering in their desire to be 317 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: seen as equals. 318 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 3: It's good stuff, Mum, It's really good stuff. 319 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 5: It's amazing stuff that you've done over there, and I 320 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 5: think it really ties in with exactly what's going on 321 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 5: with International Women's Day today. So thanks so much for 322 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 5: coming on the show. And telling us about all you've done. 323 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 5: And I'm also really proud of you for everything you've 324 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 5: done over there as well. 325 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 3: It's really amazing. 326 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 5: And I know you're going to play it down, but 327 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 5: you did win an award from the Government General. 328 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: You know, we do, we do play things down. But 329 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: I think the thing is that you have to accept 330 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 2: that it's really our privilege to be there. It's not 331 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: the work that I do. It's my absolute you know, 332 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: it's it's my privilege to be there. And to see 333 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: these women growing in confidence is just such a joy. 334 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: That's good. 335 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 5: Thank you. 336 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 4: You're very humble about all that stuff, Penny, which is 337 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 4: a direct contrast to how arrogant you are about your 338 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 4: performance on the tennis court. When am I going to 339 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 4: get a chance to take you on, Penn? 340 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 6: Whenever you're ready? Woody, I'm there. 341 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 4: Okay, beautiful, you'll, she keeps telling me. 342 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 3: Through at the back of the court. 343 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 5: All right, thanks, ma'm it's been a pleasure, all right, yeah, 344 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 5: all right, everyday. Hey, it's well on a Monday afternoon. 345 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 5: I hope you guys are all having a wonderful drive home. 346 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 3: Woulds. 347 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 5: Today is International Women's Day, so you and I are 348 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 5: getting the most important women on in. 349 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 3: Our lives and your mum. Doctor Whitelaw joins us right now. 350 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 5: Hello, Dr white Wall, probably the show will hello you 351 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 5: very well. 352 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 3: Thank you, m. 353 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: High loads Hella very good, thank you, thank you so 354 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: much for joining us. I know that you're very busy 355 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: being a doctor. 356 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 13: Mom. 357 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 4: The theme of International Women's Days choose to challenge, and 358 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 4: I really like that as a theme because it instantly 359 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 4: made me think about you, and amongst all the things 360 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 4: you've done looking after me and been an amazing mum, 361 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 4: I think there's one particular thing from your life that 362 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 4: you did where you really did choose to challenge and 363 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 4: it's acted as somewhat of an inspiration to me because 364 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 4: I love how brave you were within all of it. 365 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: And it was the decision that you made twenty years ago. Mum. 366 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you'd been a phys ed teacher for a while, 367 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 4: you'd had three kids, and then you made the decision 368 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 4: Mum to go back to UNI. 369 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 12: Absolutely why Okay. So I think to do something like that, 370 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 12: something has to really shake you up to maybe stop 371 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 12: and look back at your life. At that time, one 372 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 12: of my closest girlfriend was killed suddenly in a car accident, 373 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 12: and I've never experienced grief like it, and I had 374 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 12: a terrible year, shocking, and it sort of made me 375 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 12: think about trying to make a positive out of what 376 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 12: had happened and use that energy and put it into 377 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 12: something else and do something radical. I then was faced 378 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 12: with having to get into a science degree to get 379 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 12: a background in chemistry before I could consider looking at 380 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 12: studying dietetics to be a dietitian. Anyway, at the age 381 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 12: of forty, I turned up to my first lecture and 382 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 12: I had one child that I dropped off at kinder 383 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 12: and the boys were at school. I'm sitting in his 384 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 12: lecture theater, and of course everyone looked really young. And 385 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 12: at that side, I'm sitting there for enrollment and a 386 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 12: woman next to me is someone similar age, and I'm thinking, 387 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 12: oh great, I'm going to have a buddy, and she said, oh, 388 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 12: you're signing up for your daughter too. 389 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 7: Mum. 390 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: I'll get to, you know, a really happy ending where 391 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 4: this is all got to and how hard I've seen 392 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 4: you work. And again, like I said, I will get 393 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 4: to what you've actually recently achieved, which is extraordinary. But 394 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 4: if I can just take you back to when you 395 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 4: made the decision to go back to UNI. 396 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: How hard was that in that? You know, obviously there 397 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: was the complications of being the oldest. 398 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 4: There, but what about having three kids at home and 399 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 4: as you said, you had to drop one at kindergarten 400 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 4: and two at school. 401 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: Was that a tough conversation with Dad? For starters, he was. 402 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 12: Actually very supportive and he had a job that could 403 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 12: be a bit flexible, so he was able to help 404 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 12: me just. 405 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: For those plane at home, Dad the stripper, but go on, 406 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: and so I. 407 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 12: Was thinking, it's actually made me think a bit. I 408 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 12: remember my first year I would have to drop my 409 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 12: door for a kinder I felt out to UNI and 410 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 12: I could get in maybe one or two lectures before 411 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 12: I'd have to turn around and go and pick her up. 412 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 12: And then in those days they didn't stream lectures, but 413 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 12: actually they did record them on dvdays, and so sometimes 414 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 12: I would go out at night, hit in the library 415 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 12: and go through three or four DV days of lectures 416 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 12: so that I could catch up. So it's challenging, but 417 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 12: I absolutely had this determination that I was going to 418 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 12: do this. 419 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 4: So you've worked really really hard to become a dietitian, 420 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 4: you're then working at the Royal Children's Hospital. 421 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: Tell everyone what you achieved last year. 422 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 12: Well, it was actually the end of twenty nineteen. I 423 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 12: completed and had passed my pH d, which I'd started 424 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 12: eight and a half years before. 425 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 5: Gee wiz, how about that talking about choosing to challenge yourself. 426 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 5: That's amazing, Melissa, thanks so much for coming on the show. 427 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 5: Like genuinely, that was inspiring. 428 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of people would get a lot 429 00:21:59,119 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 3: out of that. 430 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 12: Thank You's a pleasure and I would encourage anyone who 431 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 12: is thinking about doing your career change, go for it. 432 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 12: If you can go for it. Awesome, quite refreshing and 433 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 12: it's wonderful to have. 434 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 2: In your career. 435 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: Thanks ma'am, well said. 436 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 12: Okay, my pleasure. 437 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Bye, goodbye. 438 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 4: It is International Women's Day, yes, and it makes a 439 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 4: lot of sense to have a woman called Grace Tam 440 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 4: who is this year's Australian of the Year. And Grace, 441 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 4: before we talked to you, I thought it was worth 442 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 4: playing your words are when you accepted Australian of the 443 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 4: Year this year. 444 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 3: I remember him saying, don't make a sound. 445 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 8: Well hear me now using my voice amongst a growing chorus. 446 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 6: Of voices that will not be silenced. 447 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 3: Powerful message. 448 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 5: I want to thrill down a little bit on exactly 449 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 5: what you were a victim of, which is child grooming. Yes, 450 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 5: I know that's something that you're it's a particular point 451 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 5: of interest for you. Can you talk a little bit 452 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 5: more about what you went through and why this continues 453 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 5: to be a campaign for you on that front? 454 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 8: Well, when I was when I was fifteen, I was 455 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 8: abused by my teacher, who was fifty eight at the time. Now, 456 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 8: one of the things that drove me in the first 457 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 8: place to wanting to speak out was a sort of 458 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 8: gap that I suppose I identified in our collective understanding 459 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 8: of what actually is child sexual abuse, and that gap 460 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 8: is the psychological manipulation that underpins it, and whether that's 461 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 8: in the form of grooming in the case of child 462 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 8: sexual abuse, or in the case of domestic violence, it's 463 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 8: called coercive control. But it really refers to that balance. 464 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 8: I suppose that predators strike between causing pain but also 465 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 8: providing relief from that pain, and it's that Yeah, it's 466 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 8: that cognitive dissonance that they lock you in that actually 467 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 8: enables the abuse because you are conditioned to feel guilt 468 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 8: forever even questioning your abuser, let alone, let alone telling 469 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 8: somebody else. Yeah. Yeah, So it's not that it's not 470 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 8: that simple. You know, if it was just a clear 471 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 8: cutcase of somebody abusing you, you know, it'd be very 472 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 8: easy to go, oh, okay, well just just get out. 473 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 8: This is this is horrible. But there, but there is, 474 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 8: there's so much more to it. It's a it's a 475 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 8: constant push pull sort of building you up, then breaking 476 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 8: you down and making making you I mean, you might 477 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 8: have heard the term gas lighting, making you feel crazy, 478 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 8: making you completely doubt yourself. Because what predators are so 479 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 8: successful at doing is not only isolating you from your 480 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 8: genuine support systems. This is one of the aspects of grooming. 481 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 8: It's called the isolation process. Not only are they really 482 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,479 Speaker 8: good at isolating you from your friends and family and 483 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 8: people around you who could possibly intervene, they're really good 484 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 8: at destroying your trust in yourself. So it's I think 485 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 8: it's twenty three point nine years is the average time 486 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 8: that it takes a survivor of child sexual abuse to 487 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 8: actually share their experience. Such is such is the success 488 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 8: of a predator at instilling fear and self doubt in 489 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 8: the minds of their targets. 490 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's. 491 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 8: The reality of shame induced silence, is that it takes 492 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 8: that long because it's so complicated, right. 493 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: And hypnotic. 494 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, it is. 495 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 3: It almost sounds like a fairy tale. We've got a 496 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 3: wit chip with a spell on it. 497 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 8: Yes, exactly, it is very much like that. 498 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 3: Your sense of perspective on the situation. 499 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, you question everything. Yeah, and that's by design. 500 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 4: You know. 501 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 8: One of the myths is that it's all you know, 502 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 8: it's a gendered issue. You know, that it's women against men, 503 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 8: which is not the case at all. In fact, very 504 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 8: early on in the piece, when I was first you know, 505 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 8: pursuing my voice, a lot of the fellow survivors that 506 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 8: I spoke to were men, and in fact they were 507 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 8: middle aged men who were victims of clergy abuse, you know, 508 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 8: because there are a lot more parallels between their stories 509 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 8: and my stories of being groomed. 510 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 511 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 8: Right, So yeah, it's not like everyone's welcome at everyone's 512 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 8: welcome at the table. You know, this doesn't have to 513 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 8: be The pursuit of change on any given issue doesn't 514 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 8: have to be adversarial. It's about it's not even about 515 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 8: tearing down is either. I think it's more about looking 516 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 8: at the behavior as being shameful and really shedding light 517 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 8: on that shameful behavior and redirecting the blame and shame 518 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 8: towards the behavior and away from from victims survivors themselves. 519 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the whole point, guys. It's a powerful message. 520 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming in the studio today. 521 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 8: Thank you for having me on. 522 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 5: It's been really good, honestly, a wonderful thing, a wonderful 523 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 5: message to share. If you are listening to this and 524 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 5: you'd like to talk to someone immediately. One eight hundred 525 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 5: Respect is a twenty four hour hotline which is always 526 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 5: a to you. William wood Hey, it's William Woody. It 527 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 5: is International Women's Day. We've had a bill of honestly, 528 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 5: just star started guest. Don't forget Taylor Harris's yet to come. 529 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 5: We've had our Mum's made Grace Time, the Australian of 530 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 5: the Year, have had Mel Baddle the comedian on the show. 531 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 5: And get all that on the podcast, or you can 532 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 5: stick around right now because we've got arguably the biggest 533 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 5: guest of the day, one of our faves here, Amy Shark. 534 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 9: Our next guest is having an unbelievable year so far 535 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 9: and it's suddenly March. She worked with legendary drama Travis 536 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 9: Barker from Blink one eight two on her last single Come, 537 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 9: and now she's teamed up with the UK's biggest export 538 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 9: in the last five years, like Sharon and the legend 539 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 9: that he's Hey Urban talk about name drops. She's also 540 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 9: starring in his Docky series called The Music So Far Becky. 541 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 3: She's a busy gal, thankfully. 542 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 9: Though she's found some time for a nata with the boys. 543 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 9: Please welcome our very special guests for International Women's Day. 544 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 9: It's a me Shark. 545 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. 546 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 6: Amy always such an impressive intro. 547 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 4: Just downhill from here, though unfortunately as soon as we 548 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 4: start talking it just got steadily worse. But luckily we 549 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 4: have such an amazing person to talk to and lift 550 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 4: us up, and that's you, Amy Shark. And you have 551 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 4: got a brand new song, Love Songs Ain't for Us 552 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 4: featuring Keith Urban. Here's a snip of it. 553 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 7: Yeah you know, explain. 554 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: And this one, Amy, you co wrote this one with 555 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: Ed Sheeran. How did that come about? 556 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 13: Oh? 557 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 6: Well, I have another good friend and I always sound 558 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 6: like such an idiot dropping so many names. No, go on, 559 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 6: it's a little part of the story. 560 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 3: Les Charles on the cello or something. 561 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 6: Just doing some backup vocals. Russell crow sent my album 562 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 6: to ed and and yeah I got an email. Woke 563 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 6: up to an email one morning from a seer and 564 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 6: it took me a while to make sure it was 565 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 6: like legit and not one of my friends. But turns 566 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 6: out it was legit. Yeah, super wild. 567 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 4: Sorry, just to go back to the front of that 568 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 4: story though, your mates with Russell Crowe. 569 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's just wild. 570 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: But he came. 571 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 6: To a few shows and he knows that I used 572 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 6: to work at a rugby league club, so obviously, you know, 573 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 6: with the rabbit O's we had a little bit of common. 574 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 6: And then he invited me to his farm and I 575 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 6: went there with my partner and we were just kept 576 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 6: in contact. Now we played tennis and court bike ride 577 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 6: and you know, hang out amazing crazy you. 578 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: Played tennis with Gladiator. I love that. 579 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 5: All right, Well, let's talk about this song again, Amy, 580 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 5: because we're going to appay it. Love songs and for 581 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 5: us featuring Keith and this is the other wild part 582 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 5: of the story. So we go from Russell to Ed 583 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 5: to Keith. So did you say to Ed, hey, man, 584 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 5: I'm not sure we've got enough firepower on this track. 585 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 5: Do you mind if I called Keith what caddy let's 586 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 5: use before we play it? 587 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 6: Okay? It really is horrendous saying all this isn't it. 588 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 3: You playing. 589 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 7: Already? 590 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 6: Everyone listening right now has already like logged off. Anyway, 591 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 6: It's okay, we got the real We've got the real 592 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 6: keepers hang it on there, Like ended up singing some 593 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 6: bvs on the day when we were in the studio 594 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 6: and I almost like wish he didn't because it put 595 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 6: it in my head how amazing it sounded, or harmonies 596 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 6: and everything that he did. So and then obviously he's 597 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 6: coming off the back of doing his collaborations records, so 598 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 6: I know that it's just like no way in hell 599 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,479 Speaker 6: his management and label going to let him do another collab. 600 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 6: So yeah, I was lucky that I got to meet 601 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 6: Keith and like at the twenty eighteen Houring Awards and 602 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 6: we kind of stayed in contact as well, So it 603 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 6: was just like literally Meat texting Keith the song saying, hey, 604 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 6: I wrote there was this, would Ed do you think 605 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 6: that you would be interested to feature on it, and 606 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 6: then you just got back to me straight away and said, 607 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 6: I love it, send me the stems and I'll start 608 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 6: on it this weekend. 609 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 3: It's well done. Well done on the subtle drop that 610 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 3: you text Keith as well. By the way, man, you're 611 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 3: a pro. 612 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you know it's the hustles. 613 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 5: WhatsApp Amy, Let's buy a song because the belt are 614 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 5: all jokes aside, You've proven a time and time again 615 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 5: that you are the constant thread and all these songs, 616 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 5: regardless of. 617 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: Who you're working with. 618 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 5: Love Songs Ain't for Us Featuring Keith Abune is out now. 619 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 5: We're going to play it right now. We've got more 620 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 5: Amy Shark on the other side. She's touring, by the way, 621 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 5: she's all over the country. You can get your tickets 622 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 5: wherever you get your tickets. 623 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 3: More Amy Shark right up next on International Women's Day. 624 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 5: All we've done is talk about men with Amy Shark 625 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 5: on International women Just realize that it's International Women's Day. 626 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 5: It's brand new gear from Amy Shark. It's called Love 627 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 5: Songs Ain't for Us featuring Keith Urban. He's crooning in 628 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 5: the back there. Amy joins us right now you can 629 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 5: see the Cry Forever Tour twenty twenty one out on 630 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 5: the road again, Amy Everywhere, Sidney, Melbourne, Hobart, Gold Coast, Brisbane, Adelaide, 631 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 5: Perth tickets to ticket Tech. 632 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 3: Must be wonderful to be out back touring again. Man, 633 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 3: it's been a long time coming, I suppose. 634 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been really nice just to even have it 635 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 6: in the calendar to look forward to and start building 636 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 6: a whole new show. It feels really fresh and new, 637 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 6: So I'm really excited. 638 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 3: Oh that's great. 639 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 5: Now we've got you on for International Women's Day and 640 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 5: the theme for International Women's Day is Choose to Challenge. 641 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 5: I am putting you on the spot a little bit here, 642 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 5: but can you talk a little bit about as a 643 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 5: woman challenging yourself what that means to you and the 644 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 5: challenges you face, particularly in. 645 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 3: The industry you're in as well. 646 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 5: I suppose it would be insightful for everyone listening. 647 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it is endless challenges, I guess until 648 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 6: you've proven yourself. It's like everyone knew every man just 649 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 6: knew better and it was just so like, I mean, 650 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 6: I had the type of personality it's like, yeah, mate, no, 651 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 6: worries like don't want to finish your beer, but it's 652 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 6: you have to really be thick skinned to get through that. 653 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 6: And also just being in studios being totally pushed at 654 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 6: that going okay, cool, yep, what's the song you've got? 655 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 6: All right, now, I'll build it. You go and take 656 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 6: take five months and it's like, oh, it's you know, 657 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 6: it's taken a lot long time to be to be 658 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 6: up there at the desk and not you know, not 659 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 6: feel like I'm in someone's way or be told to 660 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 6: leave because you know you've done your little vocals, go 661 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 6: and you know, I'll take I'll take it from here. 662 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 6: So it's it's just it's just so many things that 663 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 6: guys didn't even think about that really kind of irritate women. 664 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 6: But anyway, but it's getting a lot better. 665 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: And also it's worth mentioning your partner Shane as well. 666 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 4: I remember when we were hanging out of the areas, 667 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 4: I think it was twenty eighteen. Yeah, and it was 668 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 4: so great chatting to your partner Shane, who I know 669 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 4: is just a huge support of everything that you do. 670 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 4: Was there ever a conversation, I don't know how long 671 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 4: it would have been, but between you two where but 672 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 4: I'm sure Shane's made a lot of sacrifices for his 673 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 4: career for for your career. 674 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: Is that true? 675 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 6: Yeah, we kind of both were getting our dream jobs 676 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 6: around the same time. You know, he was working in 677 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 6: football and in finance because it's a bit of a 678 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 6: nerd that lunch thought, so he was doing that. 679 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 3: And yet and. 680 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 6: She was very very good at it, and then you know, 681 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 6: everything was happening for me. So it was just yeah. 682 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 5: It's interesting actually just talking about your arias because I 683 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 5: remember distinctly something you said. You had a clean sleep 684 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 5: sweep of the awards that year and you won Best 685 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 5: Album as well, and I remember you're getting out there 686 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 5: and saying, and this is interesting tying into this choose 687 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 5: to challenge theme and femininity and women in the industry. 688 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 5: I distinctly remember you saying thank you for letting me 689 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 5: go and write a record, like there was like a 690 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 5: level of faith and trust in you, you know, doing actually 691 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 5: like you know, yeah, putting a flag in the ground 692 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 5: and going like no, no, I can actually do this. 693 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 5: I want to do this by myself. I don't want 694 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 5: to just you know, do the vocals, et cetera. If 695 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 5: you want to make this whole thing and be a 696 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 5: part of the process and start to finish. You're you're 697 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 5: essentially insinuating that that you think that would have been 698 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 5: different if you were a guy, or is that different 699 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 5: if you. 700 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 3: Are a guy. 701 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 6: I just I think I was just so grateful that 702 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 6: I didn't. I've spoken to many other female artists and 703 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 6: you know, you constantly, I guess without people knowing that 704 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 6: they're worried. You know, you're you're especially you're an investment. 705 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 6: So it's like for me to have been left alone 706 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 6: so months on end and have them just put all 707 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 6: this trust in me to deliver an album, and it 708 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 6: makes you want to keep keep, you know, doing better. 709 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 6: It's just such a big lift. And that's what you know, 710 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,720 Speaker 6: some men need to understand. If you put your faith 711 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 6: in in a woman, she's like, nine times out of 712 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 6: ten she's going to step up and then she's just 713 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 6: going to build off that. Because when you win, just 714 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 6: keep winning. It gives you a sense of ownership and 715 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 6: belief and confidence and it does so so much for 716 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 6: your self esteem. It's yeah, it's like it's such as 717 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 6: it's a great move. And I have a very good 718 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 6: record label I have a great management team. It's just 719 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 6: it feels good, awesome. 720 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 4: Actually, Will's mum said about fifteen twenty minutes ago, it's 721 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 4: not women that need to get stronger. Women have always 722 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 4: been strong. It's the perception of women's strength that needs 723 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 4: to change. And I think that speaks true to what 724 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 4: you said. 725 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, very yeah, summing you up in twenty seconds, Amy 726 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 3: Shark before you. Thanks for joining us, mate, Always a pleasure, 727 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 3: and good luck with the tour. 728 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,919 Speaker 6: Thank you, guys, appreciate thanks. 729 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 5: It is International Women's Days, so we'll bring you a 730 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 5: selection of a colectic and impressive guess to make your 731 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 5: ponder exactly what this day means to you. 732 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 9: Our next guest is a statue thankfully the real life 733 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 9: versions with the boys today Belty. Now, usually I tell 734 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 9: you what they do, but with this lady, well, she 735 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 9: does so much. She's a footballer, she's a boxer, she 736 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 9: likes water MiGs, she loves dogs, she likes football. She's 737 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 9: also an ambassador for Our Watch, an organization tasked with preventing. 738 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 3: Violence against women and their children. 739 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 9: See what I mean, She's an all around bloody superstar. 740 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 9: Please welcome our very special guest on International Women's Day. 741 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 6: It's Taylor Harris. 742 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 3: Hey, welcome Tayler, who has some intro. 743 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, well you're a big deal man, you're getting the intro. 744 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 5: It's the first time on the show as well. It 745 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 5: is Yeah, welcome to me here. 746 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 13: Thanks, I listen to you guys. 747 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 4: So oh International Women's Day today, Taylor Harris, what does 748 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 4: that mean to you? 749 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: Bye? Bye for you? 750 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 4: I mean someone who is I think a really inspirational 751 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 4: figure for women in Australia and all over the world. 752 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 13: I think it's just such a good day to highlight 753 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 13: people doing great things who we can say, you know, 754 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 13: this is someone for young girls to look up to, 755 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 13: young boys and girls, I should say, but girls can 756 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 13: kind of look up and say, I'm going to do 757 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 13: great things like that person. Yeah, And there's just too 758 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 13: many that come to mind, right, Kathy Freeman, like is 759 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 13: one that I looked up to when I was younger, 760 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 13: and I'm always thinking that is a strong, powerful, brave 761 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 13: you know, someone who was fierce and challenged everything and 762 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 13: challenged everyone. And you know, today we can just kind 763 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 13: of look around and patribute and kind of nod our 764 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 13: heads and say good job, keep going, keep doing what 765 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 13: you're doing. 766 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 3: Nice. 767 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 5: I think would touched on it before as well in 768 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 5: terms of like being a leader. The messaging around Intentional 769 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 5: Women's Day is choose to challenge. And when I think 770 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 5: of choosing to challenge, you were very much in the 771 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 5: spotlight as a challenger of the status quo. 772 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 3: And what was going on. 773 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 5: If you're not sure of what I'm talking about, IM 774 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 5: talking about the very famous photo with you kicking the footy. 775 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 5: Can you just run through why do you think the 776 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 5: response would have been different to the photo if you 777 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 5: were a guy? 778 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 13: Obviously, if I was a guy, this wouldn't have happened 779 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 13: in the first place. Yeah, that's that's the thing, like, 780 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 13: and that's what you know. The comments that were written 781 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 13: and posted were not just you know, not just oh, 782 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 13: you know, she didn't kick it that far, all these 783 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 13: sort of things. It was as disgusting as you can imagine, 784 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 13: like your wildest dreams, like that gross sort of stuff. 785 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 13: You know, trolls are already the pits, but for it 786 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 13: to be more layers, and obviously hence my involvement with 787 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 13: our watches, I got confirmation essentially that this is the 788 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 13: start of domestic violence and sexual violence and sexual harassment 789 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 13: and people who think it's acceptable to speak to women 790 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 13: like this. Yes, there's all these layers of psychology that 791 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 13: I unfolded. 792 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 3: It's a mirrored throughout the different layers of behavior. 793 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 5: As you scale up through severity, the based psychology is 794 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 5: still there. 795 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 3: It's funny. 796 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 5: We had a chat with Grace Tame recently about this, 797 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 5: and that's something that she's fascinated about, as well as 798 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 5: the psychology of predators and the way they look at 799 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 5: women and how that is scared. Really similar from somebody 800 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 5: who posts something on Instagram saying like insert derogatory comment, 801 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 5: all the way up into someone. 802 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 13: Just casual sexism, casual racism, you know, casual homophobia. It's 803 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,879 Speaker 13: just so prevalent and so much that I was out 804 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 13: with friends and this guy was just being you know, 805 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 13: just being gross and whatever, and thinking to he was 806 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 13: the ship to you watch our little group. And I 807 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 13: am the most protective person of my people. 808 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 3: And so if you're doing people an amazing boxer. 809 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 4: So are you fourth in the world right now for 810 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 4: your waight division for boxing? Is that I think. 811 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: I don't even know. 812 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 13: I think. 813 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: I don't know you're in the top five. So with 814 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: some guy was being derogatory. 815 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 13: Towards and this has happened a few times, but this 816 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 13: particular time, I don't know, he was throwing his drink 817 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 13: around or whatever. I thinking no one else mattered, and 818 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 13: I went up politely, Hey, did you just throw your 819 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 13: drink on my friend? And he, who is cool, what 820 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 13: of it? And I was like, come on, like, you 821 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 13: don't want drink in your hair and stuff when you're 822 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 13: at And then he just says something along the lines of, 823 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,879 Speaker 13: you know, just a woman kind of thing, and yeah, 824 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 13: and so I just you know, showed him. 825 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 5: And he's in hospital and we hope he's going out, Harris, 826 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 5: to the other side of the. 827 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 13: Now, to jail. 828 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 3: That's exactly where you're going. 829 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 5: It's Taylor Harris who joins in the studio, and Taylor, 830 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 5: I know this is something you wanted to move past 831 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 5: quite quickly, but she was just telling the story wood 832 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 5: about just before, well a while ago. Now obviously, Taylor, 833 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 5: but before the season started, you said that there was 834 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 5: a guy who threatened one of your mates in a bar. 835 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 3: I just wanted to just drill down on that a 836 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 3: little bit. What exactly did he say? 837 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 13: Yeah, well, so right, he said, I don't care if 838 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 13: you're a woman, I'll still beat this out of you, 839 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 13: That's what he said. 840 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't think you will. 841 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 3: Wow, I was what. 842 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 13: I was like, Wow, but I was obviously not going 843 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,280 Speaker 13: to fight something. 844 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 5: Wow. 845 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah it's bad. 846 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 13: But anyway, but that happens all the time, not necessarily 847 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 13: to me because people, you know, aren't that silly to 848 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 13: say it to me, but you. 849 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 4: Know, because they know, they know you're a boxer and 850 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 4: they know you could actually fight bad. 851 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was crazy. 852 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 13: I was like, wow, that that had never really happened 853 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:30,760 Speaker 13: to me in real life. 854 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: But it did. 855 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 3: And I was like how long ago? 856 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 12: Was this? 857 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 13: A while ago before the season started ship and then 858 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 13: I just you know, obviously left because I can't be 859 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 13: in situations like that. But yeah, the comment, I was like, 860 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 13: whoa when I got out there. Scary times, But do. 861 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 3: You feel do you do you feel? 862 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 5: Because again, the messaging around your national women said that 863 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,879 Speaker 5: is choose to challenge. That's obviously what they're driving at 864 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 5: is that you, interestingly, as a woman, often you feel 865 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 5: like you don't have a choice and challenging you have 866 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,879 Speaker 5: to take the submissive path. 867 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 13: Well, I mean I agree often, but I challenge that 868 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 13: because I will always challenge and that's what Dad and 869 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 13: Mum have helped me. Stand up for yourself, stand up 870 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 13: for your friends. And you know, if what you do 871 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 13: doesn't hurt someone, and even better, if it affects people 872 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 13: in a good way, then do it. 873 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 3: It's a good thing to do. 874 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 5: And that's what the message is about, is that you 875 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 5: have got a choice as a woman too. Challenge. 876 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 3: Don't think that you don't have a choice. 877 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 13: Absolutely challenging. Could also be just talking to someone about something. 878 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 5: Anyways, Can I bounce quickly into your because I know 879 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 5: you dyed your blue hair four beyond blue this year 880 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 5: to promote conversations around mental health. Again, if I can 881 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,839 Speaker 5: tie that in back into International Women's Day, I can 882 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 5: see a direct correlation with men and depression because men, 883 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 5: stereotypically speaking, hide things, bottle things, don't deal with them, 884 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 5: don't want to show anyone that they're dealing with them. 885 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 5: But I think what's interesting, what I was trying to 886 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 5: tie in with the femininity side of things is I 887 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 5: feel like there's a lot more pressure on women publicly 888 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 5: to look and appear graceful, attractive, all those sorts of things, 889 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 5: and that's a lot of the time where I feel 890 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 5: like the anxiety comes in because there's this level of 891 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,720 Speaker 5: performance as a woman, which I don't think men attract 892 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 5: so much. 893 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 13: Well, I think something really funny that I remembered from 894 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 13: a few years ago when I played at Brisbane, when 895 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 13: we won every game that year except for the Currand Final, 896 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 13: which is not ideal, but we won every game. We're 897 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 13: always singing the team song. Everyone was always high fiving 898 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 13: and stuff. But and this is the way I am 899 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 13: because when I'm focused, obviously I'm not having the biggest 900 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,439 Speaker 13: smile on my face or smile whenever I want. 901 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: But we're in the. 902 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 13: Team song and I wasn't over grinning, I wasn't overly crazy, 903 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 13: I wasn't jumping around and stuff. But that's just me, 904 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 13: Like I'm never I truly believe that if you ride 905 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 13: the highs really high, then inevitably the loads are low too. 906 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,880 Speaker 13: So when you know in the team song in the 907 00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 13: middle of the season, I'm not going yeah, I kind 908 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 13: of just stand there getting around it, yeah, going along. 909 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 13: But then I got all these like this kind of 910 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 13: theme of these people like saying and asking why does 911 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 13: she never smile? Well, messages you should smile more. 912 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 1: Like all that sort of stuff, and I'm like. 913 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 5: Your wife is exhausted. 914 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 13: Yeah, but I remember that. I was like, how did 915 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 13: you even notice that? Like, yeah, and I looked at 916 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 13: myself on the thing. Even if you notice it, I 917 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 13: was like, it's not even like I am like, is 918 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 13: that do I have to is it teeth? Like? Do 919 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,240 Speaker 13: I have to do teeth. 920 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: Or smile if I want to smile? 921 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 4: Interestingly, Coldgate got on board though, and you became the 922 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 4: face of Coldgate. 923 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 13: That was really. 924 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, she was smiling, Taylor, always smiling. 925 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,359 Speaker 3: Now that's good stuff. You are so inspiring twenty three 926 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 3: years old. 927 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,280 Speaker 5: You wouldn't believe it. But it's been an absolute pleasure 928 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:52,959 Speaker 5: to talk to you mate. 929 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 3: Thank you for National Women's It really has been See. 930 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: What you're hearing. 931 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 2: Find us on Instagram and Facebook, search and Woody