1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: And Amanda gam Nation. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 2: No doubt reveling in the word news that the first 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: one hundred percent I married at first sight has been dropped. 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 2: It's almost like the changing of the seasons. M. Gillespie 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: is here with that's entertainment, the. 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 3: Changing of the seasons. Indeed, have either of you read 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 3: or seen a TV show The Tattooist of Auschwitz. 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: I read the book. 9 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: I read the book too. 10 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 3: Incredible book, incredible series on stan There is a doco 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: out now that I want to talk to you about. 12 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 3: It's actually about the Sun. It's called The Tattooer's Son. 13 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: But if you haven't heard of this book or seen 14 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 3: this show, it follows the kind of real life love 15 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: story and horrific, harrowing circumstances of this couple, Geeta and 16 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: Lalie Sokolov, who were Holocaust survivors. They met each other 17 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 3: at a concentration camp. Lali was one of the tattooists, 18 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 3: so he was recruited by the Nazis to tattoo the 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: numbers on the arms of everyone who came through the camp. 20 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: This horrendous story, but they fell in love in the 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: kind of you know, most awful of circumstances. So it's 22 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: this sort of beautiful tale out of the darkness. They 23 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: moved to Australia after Auschwitz was liberated eighty years ago. Yes, 24 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: it's they of liberation, yep, and their son Gary. This 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: new docco it sort of goes through his sort of 26 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: adult life, the fallout of kind of growing up with 27 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: this intergenerational trauma. He revisits Auschwitz, he goes to the 28 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: places his parents grew up in the Czech Republic, and 29 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: it's an incredible story. I think what was most interesting 30 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: to me is he speaks about how his parents never 31 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: spoke about Ashwitz. They never spoke about what they went 32 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: through during the Holocaust. It was just a kind of 33 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: a laser focus on we're moving forward where he now where, 34 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: you know, looking to the future. But that obviously they 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: had all these deep trauma and horrific experiences, and how 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: that kind of impacted him and he's really broken up 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: about it, even though his parents really never spoke about 38 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: it to him. He said that when the book came 39 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: out that was the first time he'd ever learned about 40 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: what his parents had gone through. They've both, you know, 41 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: sadly passed away in the last kind of twenty years 42 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: or so, he had all these unanswered questions and it's 43 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: just amazing to watch him go through retrace their steps 44 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: as this sort of eightieth anniversary approached. When it was filmed, 45 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: he's now, you know, a sixty three year old man 46 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 3: with two kids of his own, but it's there's sort 47 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 3: of this sort of childlikeness about him, this innocence of 48 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: sort of wanting to find out more about his family 49 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: and where it came from. And it's very very moving, 50 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 3: really emotional. 51 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: And very timely. I would say, when you look at 52 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: the anti Semitic attacks in Sydney, you know, how dare 53 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: we forget this story? It's quite extraordinary. But you hear 54 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: about the children of Holocaust survivors. I've heard some say 55 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: that their their hypochondriacs because their parents know it might 56 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: not just be a could something terrible can happen at 57 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: any minute. So the implications of they may not be 58 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: telling their stories to you, but the outfall from that 59 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: has probably impacted your childhood enormously. 60 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 3: And Gary Sokolov was their own son, and I think 61 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: they wrapped him up in so much love and you 62 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: can hear the warmth in his voice. When he's talking 63 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: about how much they loved him. But I'm sure you know, 64 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: in isolation, having that one son, the fear that they 65 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: would have brought over here, carrying all of that. And 66 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right, Amanda, that you know now 67 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: more than ever, it's so important that we reflect on 68 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: something like this. You know, a million Jews killed at 69 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: Auschwitz in those three years and now to see what's 70 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: going on around Sydney really really chilling stuff and important. 71 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: Reminder knows history, Yeah, yeah, and the famous saying, you know, 72 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: if you don't learn from history, you've just doomed to 73 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: repeat your mistakes. We're doing it. 74 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: There's experts in this doco. There's a psychiatrist, this man 75 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: who's devoted his whole life to researching the trauma of 76 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: the Holocaust, what Holocaust survivors injured after the fact, and 77 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: kind of what's been left behind and the children and 78 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 3: the grandchildren and how they kind of carry on that legacy. 79 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: Some fascinating insight into you know, trauma history. Family Bonds, 80 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: High's Values. Highly recommend everyone to check it out. It's 81 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: on stand out now The Tattooist's Sun check it out. 82 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: Journey to Ourswitch m Gillespie, Thank you for joining us. 83 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 3: Thank you, it's free. 84 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 2: Lay Tang. 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