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Speaker 3: Let me shry. Hello, dear listeners, and welcome to two

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Speaker 3: Good Sports. It's sports and he's sold differently. I'm not

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Speaker 3: Georgie Tunny. I'm maybe tell me George it is me

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Speaker 3: Georgie Tunny.

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Speaker 4: Hi Hi hi hi hi Hi.

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Speaker 3: How are you good?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm good, I'm good. I'm a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I've had an up and down week because full disclosure,

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Speaker 2: dear listeners, the topic that we are talking about today

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Speaker 2: is one that I wish we did not have to

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Speaker 2: cover again. We are going to be getting into everything Adelaide, Croz,

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Speaker 2: Isaac Rankin, homophobic slurs in the AFL.

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Speaker 1: That's coming up, that's coming up.

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Speaker 2: But outside of that and in actual life, I've been busy.

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Speaker 3: She's been amazing, and she's been racing. She's been racing.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, the news dropped that. The official promos.

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Speaker 5: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited. More You and Rob on my screens,

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Speaker 3: You and Morone. It was meant to be, meant to be,

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Speaker 3: meant to be Tea Morone. The first promo was out.

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Speaker 3: I think we feature a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: It's mainly a close up of Robert's face going down

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Speaker 2: some crazy high zip line somewhere, screaming.

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Speaker 3: Does it already feel like an outer body thing? Looking

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Speaker 3: back on it, going, I can't believe we did that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, it feels like it's happened

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Speaker 1: to someone else.

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Speaker 3: I saw those shots.

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Speaker 1: I was like, no, when was I there?

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Speaker 4: How'd I get there?

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Speaker 2: But it's been overwhelming, actually, the response to it. Everyone

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Speaker 2: is very excited and I'm excited to relive it, but

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Speaker 2: also slightly concerned because you know how competitive I am,

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Speaker 3: The world will know I have never done anything that

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Speaker 3: will unveil how unattractively competitive I am. That's the average person.

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Speaker 3: You have put yourself in a race. Oh no, you.

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Speaker 2: Know when you see those movie posters and it's like

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Speaker 2: five stars greate at film on Earth. I'm just ready

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Speaker 2: to have my face on a poster with unattractively competitive

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Speaker 2: the Georgie Tunny story. There are literally points throughout this

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Speaker 2: race and this television show guys which if they can

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Speaker 2: at me like do I know you?

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Speaker 3: I'm unsure give the ring back? Brace ourselves for that.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait, genuinely can't wait. How are you? I'm

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Speaker 3: really good and I'm really excited to show you this

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Speaker 3: good sport. Yes, because there are some moments in sport

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Speaker 3: need to do. Some of those very outdated and you

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Speaker 3: don't have to do anymore. But some of them I

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Speaker 3: think deeply need to be protected because Georgia, if you

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Speaker 3: ever heard of Colston Loveland.

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Speaker 1: No a person, a place, a thing, Nor.

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Speaker 3: Just I know that this isn't a visual medium, so

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm going to say here in

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Speaker 2: my ultimate review, Sam Laula's safe. He's safe because on

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Speaker 2: this podcast we know that he's the true Australian idol.

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Speaker 4: But that is exceptional.

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Speaker 1: Well done.

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Speaker 3: Good Try the greatest sports movie of all time? Remember

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Speaker 3: the Titans. It's remembered. No, hey, hey, good bad remember.

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Speaker 4: The days I sent you free?

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Speaker 3: That's what it is. It's sunshine, sun It's sunshine.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love you.

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Speaker 2: Like the greatest sports movie ever.

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Speaker 1: We need to go on, squizz Chows. The telepathy is real.

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Speaker 3: It is the greatest sports movie of all time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's up there. Coach Card is also exceptional.

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Speaker 4: How long we got on this episode?

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Speaker 1: Draft Day, underrated caps.

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Speaker 3: Stunning in that film. There's so many layers. It's so

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Speaker 3: a movie. That was so good. We'll share it to

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Speaker 3: our story. So if you want to find it, go

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Speaker 2: Best I've got a very quick good sport, which I

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Speaker 3: Just how did they lose with a banner like that?

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Speaker 3: Even got the haircut. Oh, it's just.

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Speaker 3: today for many AFL fans. The finals really began last

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Speaker 3: The Crows got home by three points and we thought

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Speaker 3: That was not the talking point that came out of

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Speaker 4: The Adelaide Football Club is tonight facing the prospect of

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Speaker 3: Isaac Rankin has been cited by the AFL for using

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Speaker 2: That's what we continue to learn every single day. Words matter.

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Speaker 2: They have an effect, they can change someone's day, they

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Speaker 2: not ideal in the bin. I can understand the awkwardness

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Speaker 2: for teammates, coaching staff involved at that club, but not

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Speaker 2: In the last sixteen or eighteen months of.

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Speaker 3: This kind, we've had seven cases. This included being reported

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Speaker 3: We're going to see.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is what I wanted us to touch on.

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Speaker 1: And even if you get one and you'd be marched.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think if someone actually probably made a complaint

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Speaker 2: That's that is that what the AFL needs to There's

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Speaker 2: Should we now have set bands for if you use

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Speaker 6: I think that's what it needs to get to. So

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Speaker 6: There is absolutely no way that you can know, and

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Speaker 4: But there is still no way that I could sit

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Speaker 6: Accept that you said that word for whatever else was

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Speaker 3: Full disclosure.

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Speaker 2: We're recording this before we know the official suspension. Do

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Speaker 6: I accept that he is most definitely would be remorseful,

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Speaker 6: I don't know him around the club, I don't know

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately it's just happened after the fact, which then means.

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Speaker 4: That there is a process that plays out.

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Speaker 6: Here and he will miss games, he will miss important games,

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Speaker 3: Now. It's also this feeling and it's so uncomfortable that

444
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 3: sport is not for you. It's this feeling of really

445
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: behind closed doors, there is language used and there are

446
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 3: conversations that are had that still marginalizes people. So not

447
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 3: everyone is welcome here. And the AFL can have every

448
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: pride round, every women's violence round, and you know, everything

449
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 3: that they want to do to virtue signal these things.

450
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 3: But until it's actually stamped out culturally, our game still

451
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 3: isn't for everyone. In the fact that we still don't

452
00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: have current or past male player that's been comfort enough

453
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 3: to come out and say, yeah, I'm gay, And the

454
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 3: sheer volume of men that have played in the league

455
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 3: means there must be oh, of course, and of course

456
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 3: there is, of course, of course, but they would be

457
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 3: exhausted by the weight of every time this happens, people

458
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: reaching out and going you need to be the one

459
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 3: on the soapbox reminding people as to why this word

460
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 3: hurts so much, and that does.

461
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 6: And a couple of points on that, like the first

462
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 6: one around the word that's being used. And my argument

463
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 6: is anyone in the heat of the moment or when

464
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 6: you're angry, when you're upset, you don't use a word

465
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 6: that you never use. You go to something that maybe

466
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 6: you say casually, maybe you say in other conversations that

467
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 6: are explicit or whatever it is. But when you're under

468
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 6: the pump, when you're under pressure, when it's fight or flight,

469
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 6: you don't come out with a word that you've never said.

470
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: Before that's valorous.

471
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Speaker 6: So the locker room talk, whether it is locker room talk,

472
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 6: whether it is Isaac and his mates, whoever, you don't

473
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 6: go to a word that you never use. And then

474
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 6: the other point to that is we say that the

475
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 6: AFL has pride rounds and stuff and this and that,

476
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 6: but that's only in the afl W space. There is

477
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 6: a pride game that's right that for a couple of

478
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 6: years now didn't actually take place. It happened again this

479
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 6: year Essendon and Sydney. It was Sydney and Saint Kilda.

480
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 6: There is no men's pride, which again just shows, Oh,

481
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 6: we're happy for AFLW players to be the advocates for

482
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 6: this because they're all comfortable with who they are. They're

483
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 6: very open. It's a welcoming space. But what voice does

484
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 6: it have in the men's space.

485
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: And what on that? How would the afl W team

486
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: be feeling right now?

487
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that their club's trying to argue as to why

488
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 3: trying to.

489
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: Present a defense and look, on the one hand, from

490
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: a purely club perspective, I can understand that this is

491
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: a huge ramification for them for the finals.

492
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: You know, they're board. It's like where they're forget results,

493
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: we have to.

494
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 2: Go in for bat for Isaac, all that blah blah blah.

495
00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 2: From a human perspective, for those Crows girls, what are

496
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: they meant to feel with this?

497
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

498
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 6: If I was playing at that football club, and I

499
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 6: can only speak of if I was and if this

500
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 6: was happening, I don't know how any of the Adelaide

501
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 6: Crow's girls are feeling. So I'm not speaking on behalf

502
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 6: of anyone here, but if I was playing at a

503
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 6: club and that was their response to something like this,

504
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 6: I would be really, really disappointed. I would be angry,

505
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 6: and I'm the type of person that doesn't just sit

506
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 6: on that. I would be talking to people that are

507
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 6: stakeholders at that club and trying to explain what this

508
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 6: makes you feel like as someone that's at the club

509
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 6: that's openly gay.

510
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 4: They're then challenging an.

511
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 6: Sanction that has been placed on a player for saying

512
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 6: something that is extremely offensive to your community. So what

513
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 6: is that saying? I just I don't understand the whole

514
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 6: let's challenge this. I don't I get the results, I

515
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 6: get its finals. Sorry, but it's happened. Just accept it

516
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 6: and move on. Because you're making yourselves look silly in this.

517
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: Well, you can't say that you have a zero tolerance

518
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 3: policy against homophobia but then challenges sanction at the same

519
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: time those they're mutually exclusive. You can't do that. So

520
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: on the one hand, we can say some things are

521
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: bigger than football, but clearly at Clubland they're still not.

522
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: No question without notice, and feel free not to answer

523
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: if you don't want to. Did you ever suffer slurs

524
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: like this throughout your playing career.

525
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: No, never, never.

526
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 6: I think the AFLW is a completely different side of misses.

527
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 6: And I think the benefit that we had as AFLW

528
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 6: players is I was out before I ever got drafted.

529
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 6: Most of the players were out before they ever played

530
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 6: a game of AFLW, So when we were playing, we

531
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 6: were already out, which sounds like it's like, okay, cool,

532
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 6: that's great, But we didn't have a profile. I didn't

533
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 6: have a profile, I didn't have anything. I was just

534
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 6: playing footy. And then I already had a partner at

535
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 6: the time, so I was quite public with that. And

536
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 6: then when I started playing football, that sort of came

537
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 6: with it, and that was.

538
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 4: Everyone else as well.

539
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 6: There was never any question as to whether any of

540
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 6: us were going to hide who we were or this

541
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 6: or that. And I think there's probably girls that have

542
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 6: come through the system now that have sort of seen

543
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 6: that and seen if they're struggling with their sexuality or

544
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 6: struggling with feelings that they're having and not sure what

545
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 6: it means that they can see people that are out

546
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 6: and proud and are on the big stage in the

547
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 6: afl W, and it's.

548
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 3: Fine, and it's as much as a character strait of

549
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: oh yeah, they've got blue eyes, as in, like, it's

550
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: just yeah, and your coffee orders are flat white? Can

551
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 3: I help you? Yeah, like, as in, that's where we

552
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: need to get it.

553
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 6: And I think that's the benefit of it, and that

554
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 6: I would I would say that no AFLW player would

555
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 6: ever discriminate someone around that I would hope and we

556
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 6: would also hope for the men's space as well.

557
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but regardless though, if we had that set penalty,

558
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: that's just what it is. It is, yeah, you know,

559
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 2: and then we can learn you have those actual ramifications.

560
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: The football clubs themselves can take it seriously and be like,

561
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: let's get serious about education about this. Even though you

562
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: have all of the resources in the world, let's actually

563
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 2: show that it's not just we put our money where

564
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: our mouth is.

565
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: Are we still in the space of are we waiting

566
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 3: for something like the AFLPA to go. We're going to

567
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: take this on and up the education so there is

568
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: no but that's the thing. Are we still there where

569
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: we need the players to go? We are going to

570
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: have and all in where we explain categorically, or there's

571
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: a video that goes out so everyone's seen the same

572
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: content and perhaps someone saying, this is how damaging this

573
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: word is to me, this is how it affects me.

574
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: And I cannot believe that we're talking about this like

575
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: it's a high school rollout that from then on it's

576
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: ten games and that's just what it is, because you

577
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: all have seen the same content and you know better.

578
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: Is that there is a.

579
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: Module that goes around.

580
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 6: So when you do all of your training as a player,

581
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 6: every year, you do educational modules.

582
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: Is that given the same level of attention I gave

583
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: mine at work when you just click where you just

584
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: click through.

585
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 6: Let's be honest, Yes, yes, one hundred percent. But it

586
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 6: is sort of quite explicitly said in that what is not,

587
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 6: what is acceptable and what's not, because I think as adults,

588
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 6: you know what's acceptable and what's not. But you do

589
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 6: have to do that education pathway of ticking this off.

590
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 6: That's done for the year, and now you can be

591
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 6: accredited as a player or as a staff member for

592
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 6: a club. But I really, like I would argue, we don't,

593
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 6: you don't need that. Like players know what's right and wrong,

594
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 6: they know what's right and wrong fundamentally, you like I

595
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 6: would argue any player that's used that word knows the

596
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 6: minute that it left their mouth that they're like, oh god,

597
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 6: I hope no one has heard that on the playing field.

598
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 4: Because I'm going to miss miss weeks for that.

599
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 6: And society, like society deeply knows what's right and wrong,

600
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 6: and that's that's it's that it is literally that black

601
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 6: and white. You can't say that, you can't racially villify someone,

602
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 6: you can't discriminate because of their sexuality or their gender.

603
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 4: That is what the world is.

604
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 6: It's not specific to AFL football, So I don't see.

605
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 4: The issue here.

606
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, as it left my mouth, I was like, that's

607
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: what I would do if it was for twelve year olds, right,

608
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: That's that's what we would roll out so that they understood.

609
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: But we still default to how do we make this

610
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: so clear because it's clearly not working.

611
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: I would like to get some clarity for our listeners

612
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: because among them, I am sure we have gay listeners

613
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 2: listening in.

614
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: I hope, so deeply hope.

615
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: So I love that welcome, but I know personally, like

616
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: one of my good friends, he has been a lifelong

617
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 2: Crows fan, has gone through the ups and downs with

618
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: that club.

619
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 4: He's in his early.

620
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: Forties now, he is an openly gay man, and he

621
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: is so sad and despondent and dejected after this because

622
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: he feels like, what, you're my club, Why are you

623
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: rejecting me? Would you give a message to people like that,

624
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: or especially younger kids who younger gay kids.

625
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: Who are obsessed with footing, that.

626
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: It is still a space for them. It's always been

627
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: a space for them.

628
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, particularly like the younger kids coming through. I think

629
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 6: that's the things that they're around at the moment are

630
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 6: very different the accepting nature of the world now, and

631
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 6: I think as we see that filter through to football clubs,

632
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 6: we will see genuine change, I really hope, and back

633
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 6: to sort of the way around they're not being an

634
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 6: openly gay men's player. I feel like the only way

635
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 6: that's ever going to happen is that a player's drafted

636
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 6: that's already openly Yeah, that's openly gay. But let's hope

637
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 6: they can make their way through the pathway up until

638
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 6: that point. But to fans of clubs, or particularly fans

639
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 6: of the Adelaide Crows, I think it's important to know

640
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 6: that the AFL landscape as a whole, like we love

641
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 6: and accept openly gay people like I can't talk on

642
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 6: behalf of the AFL, but the experiences that I've had

643
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 6: and the way that I think as women in the

644
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 6: space that are out and are proud of who they are,

645
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 6: I think, like, that's what you're hanging hat on, Like

646
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 6: we love everything about football, we love the game, and

647
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 6: we are who we are and that's sort of how

648
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 6: it's always been for us.

649
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: And I really I feel a lot of.

650
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 6: Empathy for these guys that are supporters of their club

651
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 6: and feel like they can't be who they are because

652
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 6: of what's happened now or at games because they don't

653
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 6: feel safe, Like that absolutely would be just so disappointing

654
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 6: and upsetting. If that's what's come out of this, is

655
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 6: that players feel sorry, fans feel like they can't be

656
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 6: who they want to be at games, or they don't

657
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 6: feel like they're represented by their club, because that is

658
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 6: a huge letdown and that is really disappointing, And that

659
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 6: is ultimately what it comes back to with them challenging this,

660
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 6: and I think if you're accepting or if you're happy

661
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 6: to uphold a zero tolerance policy, there is no argument

662
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 6: to this, and I think that's what's hurt people the most.

663
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Speaker 6: That their club is arguing against this and they don't

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Speaker 6: feel represented in that argument and.

665
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Speaker 3: It's supposed to be. It feels like final start this weekend.

666
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: There are so many ramifications for different clubs, like we're

667
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: meant to be talking about Granted, we did an episode

668
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: saying that there was a huge disparity between the teams

669
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 3: that could and couldn't make it. There were some games

670
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: where it's like does this even need to be? Like

671
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: come on, can we all just shake hands and call

672
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 3: it a day? But now we are getting to the

673
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: point now where you've got such amazing games and amazing

674
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: footy on and yet these are the conversations that we

675
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 3: still need to be having. So I think that we

676
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 3: hope that the AFL just go right. This is what

677
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: it is. There's no challenging this. We won't hear it.

678
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: You can't argue against it. We won't hear it. This

679
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: is the sanction, and that this will becomes something that

680
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: when we talk to our kids about it in twenty years,

681
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: they go, they what, And that's hopefully where it gets.

682
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: Or question we have a finals question. It is.

683
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: Telepathy.

684
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: I was like, it would be remiss of us while

685
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: we have you here on the pod just to give

686
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 2: us your ocle the oracle predictions, your.

687
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Speaker 4: Thoroitative voice I know in this country.

688
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Speaker 1: Sorry, Bruce, Yes you can be you can. You can

689
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: give me grand finalists in both AFL and a fl

690
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: W or give me the winner.

691
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 6: Okay, both hard to say the exact final grand finalists

692
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 6: without like final positions.

693
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: Yes.

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00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 4: I like how Geelong and Tracking they are looking really

695
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 4: really good.

696
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone's just forgotten about it and you're like,

697
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: I forgot about top four again.

698
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 6: So they were challenged on the weekend by Sydney, and

699
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 6: Sydney had the weapons that geelongs sometimes struggled to defend,

700
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 6: and they just flex their muscle in the second half

701
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 6: and show that they are well and truly being undervalued

702
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Speaker 6: or I think.

703
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Speaker 4: By the wider community.

704
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 6: I think because of their draw on the last bit,

705
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 6: you kind of just brush over their games because they

706
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 6: won and won convincingly. But that game on the weekend

707
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 6: was ultra impressed and they will now get finals.

708
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 4: At the MCG, which is another debate around.

709
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just death taxes in this team refuses to rebuild.

710
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: Literally they never bought them out. They never they never do.

711
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: Okay Geelong, yep.

712
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think I am a Brisbane fan, so

713
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 4: I'll say.

714
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: That to start with, thank you so much.

715
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 6: But I think the injuries are starting to take a

716
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 6: little bit of a toll at Brisbane. Hip Wood out again,

717
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 6: Berry not sure about his shoulder, shoulder, But I still

718
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 6: want to have faith in them.

719
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 4: But that's like a sort of fan perspective as well.

720
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: We love those on here, but they're.

721
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 6: Really strong against the top nine, which we've seen. And

722
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 6: then I think out of that, like obviously Adelaide are

723
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 6: going to be a powerhouse and they will be, and

724
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 6: how they respond from this off field stuff is.

725
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: Sometimes this can be galvanizing, sometimes it can be Yeah,

726
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: So we'll see what plays out there.

727
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 6: I think they've been one of the best teams all year,

728
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 6: clearly at the top of the table.

729
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: So from fifteenth to it's an enormous turnaround and the

730
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 3: w we had literally yeah, we've had one round.

731
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 6: You couldn't go past North Melbourne really like they're undefeated

732
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 6: for fifteen games straight now, the most that's ever been

733
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 6: in the afl W. A powerhouse club, sort of a

734
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 6: sleeping giant. I think in the afl W is Fremantle.

735
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 6: I think not many people have talked about them. They've

736
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 6: got a couple of their really obviously their captain back

737
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 6: in and just done it. But also Kiara Bauers, who's

738
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 6: come back laid thirteen tackles in her first game back

739
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 6: post having a childmind you, And yeah, I think they

740
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 6: are one that's sort of a bit of a roughie

741
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 6: that not many are talking about.

742
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 4: But you can't go past North Melbourne. There you have it.

743
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: There you have it.

744
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: Kate McCarthy, I cannot thank you enough for joining us

745
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: on the podcast.

746
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: Having back to just talk footing. We can we have

747
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: one where we live when I just want to, I

748
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: want to talk more about the fact that everyone gets

749
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: a farm and everyone gets a final, because it's just

750
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 3: bloody unbelievable what they're pulling off.

751
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 5: It's just.

752
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 4: Oprah Winfrey.

753
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: And as a reformed Freo supporter, it's like, what do

754
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 3: you mean that they can be top four basically full

755
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: year and still almost miss How does.

756
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 5: This keep happening?

757
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: Jelmy has entered a tunny realm of pitch su I.

758
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 4: Wish you luck for Sunday.

759
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 3: No, well they're not even I'm a Tiger, so things

760
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: are worse. I'm married into that that's another conversation. We

761
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: adore you, we love listening to you, and again, congratulations

762
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 3: on all you're doing, and thank you so much for

763
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: finding the time. And we really look forward to a

764
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: stage in life where we don't have to have these conversations.

765
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: But we so appreciate your voice in this one, so

766
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 3: do I.

767
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 6: But we won't stop campaigning when we do have these conversations,

768
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 6: that's for sure.

769
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Speaker 2: Absolute legend, absolute legend. And part of this fun fact

770
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: still kind of related because it refers to the afl

771
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: W and one of the players in that league. We've

772
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: had our first round. I'm very excited for the competition

773
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: that it has now kicked off. Sydney Swan's had.

774
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: A great win, had a great win and they're opening round.

775
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: And I would like to make everyone aware, if you

776
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 2: don't already, that they have a player fun fact named Zippyfish.

777
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: Pardon her name is Zippyfish, and you best believe she's Zippy.

778
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: I was watching and I did not know. I was ignorant.

779
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: I did not know who Zippyfish was. And I was

780
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: watching the game and I was like, who.

781
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 4: Is that speech at the.

782
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: Back so fast in these light blue gray shoes. I

783
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: was like she is a gun. Her name Zippyfish.

784
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: Was she born zippy?

785
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: I think her name is zippy fish?

786
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 3: Yes?

787
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: Stunning, I mean, and you can imagine the absolute smallgasport

788
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: of puns that are right there for the comedy.

789
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: Oh oh zippy.

790
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: Yep, she's swimming up, was swimming through the defense.

791
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: Oh incredible, incredible zippyfish, Zippyfish.

792
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 3: I was blind, but now I see And it's just

793
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: what else is in the sea? A zippy zippyish.

794
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: She's my favorite player, my new favorite player.

795
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 5: Love it about to Google.

796
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: We love Zippy, we love you, we love you. Great

797
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: fun fact. Oh, completely irrelevant, which is perfect, just perfect

798
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: for us. I love you, love having these chats. Let's

799
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: not do it again.

800
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

801
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: Also fun fact sports for everyone.

802
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

803
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: Maybe if everyone could.

804
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: Just remember that and act accordingly

805
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Speaker 1: Until next week, be a good sporish