1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Now, as you would have heard here in Darwin, there 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,559 Speaker 1: are now private security patrols which are happening as I 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: understand it, in Karama Malac, Palmerston and also at the 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Darwin Airport. They're patrolling is obviously in an effort to 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: minimize the impact that we're seeing when it comes to 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: crime and also anti social behavior. 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: Now joining me in. 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: The studio to talk more about this is the public 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: Order Response units. Well, firstly we've got Andy Price, Good 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: morning to you. 11 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: Andy, Good morning, Katie. 12 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: Great to have you in the studio. We've also got 13 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: Chris Harris, Good morning to you, Chris. And we've also 14 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: got the executive director of the Property Council here in 15 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, Ruth Palmer. Good morning, Ruth, modern Katy. 16 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Now a full line up this morning and plenty to 17 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: talk about. I want to find out a little bit more. Firstly, Chris, 18 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: talk me through the exact locations where you guys are 19 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: currently patrolling. 20 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 4: So you hit the nail on the head before. So 21 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 4: first and foremost, we found ourselves in Palmerston. Quickly after 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 4: we rolled that model out, we moved across into the 23 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 4: Krama Malac area and as recently We've just picked up 24 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 4: work at the Dawin International Airport, so tell me. 25 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: A little bit more about exactly what you do. 26 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 4: So the biggest thing that our team tries to work 27 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 4: towards is that positive community engagement, with the idea that 28 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 4: we can come in and have those discussions with the residents, 29 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 4: the local community members on the ground, try and understand 30 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 4: what their concerns are and how we can fit in 31 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 4: to try and support them to ensure that everyone can 32 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 4: live a happy and safe life within that community. 33 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: And as I understand it, whether this one's for you, 34 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: Chris or you and as I understand it, the canines 35 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 1: are utilized as well as part of the patrols. 36 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Katika. The canines are simply there for protection 37 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 3: our officers, whether people understand, and unfortunately at night there 38 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: is quite a proliferation of weapons out and about and 39 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: they're just there to keep our officers safe well, and. 40 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: You know, like I always think, if they can be 41 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: a bit of a deterrent, but also you know, sometimes 42 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: they are a bit of. 43 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: A talking point as well for community members. 44 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: Okay, they are actually the community love to come up, 45 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: they're interested in they'd love to have a chat it's 46 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 3: really a nice break between us and people. 47 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, now with your canines, is it similar to 48 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: the police canines in the sense that they're pretty well 49 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: behaved or you know, like they they're on command basically, 50 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: so they're fairly They're able to fairly well interact until 51 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: they're instructed to do otherwise. 52 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 5: The dogs will react in very much the way any 53 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 5: human would. It's all behavior. 54 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 4: The environment that they find themselves in will will determine 55 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 4: how they want to react. But between myself and the 56 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: rest of the team, a lot of us have a 57 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 4: very extensive knowledge when it comes to training canines, and we. 58 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 5: Ensure that safety is always the first and foremost. 59 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: What kind of behavior do you guys find that you're 60 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: encountering with those patrols that you're currently doing. 61 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: It can be a wide range of concerns, anything from 62 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 4: public urination, toxication, through to assaults, domestic violent issues between families, 63 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 4: and then as Andy mentioned before, the greater concern was 64 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 4: seeing at the moment is the. 65 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 5: Utilization of homemade weak and so, yeah. 66 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: Right, like, how often would you be seeing that kind 67 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: of thing? 68 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 5: Almost daily? 69 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: Wow? 70 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: And so are we talking like knives or are we 71 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: talking what are you talking. 72 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 4: It can be anything from your kitchen knife out of 73 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 4: the drawer at home, through to the destruction of woolies 74 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 4: and coals shopping trolley so that they can use the 75 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 4: handles off those as a swinging tool or item. And 76 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 4: as of most recently, we're seeing things such as machetes 77 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 4: and axes that have been produced. 78 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: Wow, it is pretty wild stuff. 79 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty crazy to think that you've got 80 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: people getting around the streets with these homemade weapons. And 81 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: it does go to show you why the security patrols 82 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: and that what you guys are doing is important. Can 83 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: I ask what do you sort of have to do 84 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: when someone is doing the wrong thing, because obviously I'm 85 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: assuming you don't have the same powers as what the 86 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police do. 87 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: No, And as I said before, our greatest weapon is 88 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: their ability to communicate with those members on the ground. 89 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: We got the idea that we can step into an 90 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 4: environment and have that positive engagement to understand what their 91 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 4: concerns are. Nine times out of ten, the people that 92 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: we're dealing with aren't naturally violent. They're not those that 93 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 4: are looking to cause harm. The concern that we see 94 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 4: so that they're either heavily intoxicated, or they're simply bored, 95 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 4: or they just find themselves in a position where they 96 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 4: may be vulnerable and they don't have an understanding on 97 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 4: how they're supposed to react and behave. And that's why 98 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 4: we like the idea that we can have those levels 99 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 4: of discussions where we can then tie in to other 100 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 4: local services here within the territory such as Raki Nation 101 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 4: Northern Territory Family Services to try and bring these folks 102 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 4: on board to understand that this is an individual who 103 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 4: needs help. 104 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 5: And whilst we understand that the police force are heavily 105 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 5: tied up. 106 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 4: In other concerns and other jobs, at this stage, we 107 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: want to act as that supplementary force to be able 108 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 4: to come in and provide a level of support to 109 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 4: our communities. 110 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: And look, that's one of the big questions I reckon 111 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: that some people listening this morning. 112 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: Will be asking, is you know why do we. 113 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: Need private patrols if we have got the Northern Territory 114 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: Police Force. But I guess this is just about an 115 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: extra tier, isn't it. 116 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, very much. 117 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 4: We understand that nine times out of ten there obviously 118 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 4: comes a lot of concern and you're dealing with these 119 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: sorts of environments, and that it's not just a simple 120 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 4: matter of having a police force to be able to 121 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 4: turn up, deal with it and leave and move straight 122 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 4: on to the next thing. That obviously there's a lot 123 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 4: of your duty, your cares in your administrative time frames 124 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 4: to get quite up in behind. And when you already 125 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: understand that a police force is currently under the pump 126 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 4: with the number of people that they just simply don't have, 127 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 4: we understand that there is a space that we can fill, 128 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 4: and knowing that we're doing a proactive role, we can 129 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 4: turn up there in the first instance and provide the 130 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,119 Speaker 4: level of support to the community that allows the police 131 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 4: force to focus on those jobs that require their greater 132 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 4: level of expertise. 133 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: I guess one of the other big questions though, from 134 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: the public will be how much does it cost? You know, 135 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: is it a big impult on the territory taxpayer to 136 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: be paying for this extra level of support. 137 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, Katie, I guess with us 138 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 3: having current proposals into government costings is something that we 139 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: probably wouldn't be limited to say just now. 140 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, Ruth, I'll go to you, because this 141 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: is obviously, you know, you and I have spoken on 142 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: so many different occasions about antisocial behavior and the crime 143 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: that we experience on the streets, but particularly that anti 144 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: social behavior and the impacts that it has. We also 145 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: yesterday caught up with Daniel Rochford, who's the CEO of 146 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: Tourism Central Australia, and he'd outlined, you know, just what 147 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: kind of impact this is having in the likes of 148 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: Alice Springs. You were there not too long ago, the 149 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: Property Council was there not too long ago, and had 150 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: you know, had really identified to the government that this 151 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: is a big concern as well. 152 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, Katie, And you know, we sort of 153 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 6: looked at all the services that had been put into 154 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 6: Alice Springs, but also the programs that the government had 155 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 6: put in as well, like the helistic plans to curb 156 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 6: this sort of behavior, and that's millions of dollars that 157 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 6: are being spent through those programs and it has appeared 158 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 6: to be ineffective at this stage. 159 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 5: So there are resources. 160 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: Being spent on programs that aren't being as effective as 161 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: what they could be. 162 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 6: So we would really you know, encourage those resources to 163 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 6: then be put into other areas. Of use that are 164 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 6: actually working, So we know that the issues down in 165 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 6: Alice Springs are worth It is having a really major 166 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 6: impact on population, on the tourism, but also on the 167 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 6: safety of the community. So we know that residents are 168 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 6: at a point now where they are packing up and leaving, 169 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 6: but we also know that retailers in town won't come 170 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 6: to Alice Springs. So you know this is causing major 171 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 6: issues across Alice Springs, but also across Central Australia, which 172 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 6: then has a broader impact of the entire territory. 173 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: Well, it has a massive impact. And then when you 174 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: talk about tourism and you talk about population growth, etc. 175 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: It has a huge impact. 176 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: Andy, I mean, are their plans to maybe head down 177 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: to Alice Springs, Well. 178 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: Do we certainly have a proposal in at the minute. 179 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: We're looking to hopefully to do a six month tril 180 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: in Alice. Yeah, take four or five of our members 181 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: down there, along with three of our canine assets. So 182 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: we're very keen to get down there. And I think 183 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: our high visibility, our high impact would certainly make a 184 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: great presence on the streets of Alice. 185 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. And it sounds like they're crying out for help. 186 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: I mean, at this point in time, it sounds like 187 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: they're literally crying out for help and they're prepared to 188 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: give anything A got. 189 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: The minute you hear the community screaming out for the 190 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: government to do something, you know, I just want people 191 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: to know that the government is doing something. They are 192 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: investing in these initiatives and they seem to be working. 193 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: Now, what do you think what else could we be doing. 194 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: I guess that this is sort of about supporting some 195 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: of the mechanisms that are already in place. But what 196 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: else do you think could be sort of happening? Or 197 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: do you think these services could be expanded more broadly? 198 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: It's hard for us to touch and we understand that 199 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 4: from what we've seen within our time on the ground, 200 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 4: is that because we are in location, we can have 201 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 4: that positive interaction from the get go where they're in 202 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 4: amongst the community with local people at that exact moment 203 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: in time. We understand from what we see with the 204 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 4: police force, it's very reactionary. They turn up after the fact. 205 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 4: I'd be skeptical to make common in relation to some 206 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 4: of the initiatives that I've seen role out the government 207 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 4: to understand whether they're actually effective. 208 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 5: Or not. 209 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 4: But I'd like to think that we can try and 210 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: type ourselves back into understand if we can make changes 211 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 4: at are grassroots level to make community safer for locals 212 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 4: to want to be in that space. It's not just 213 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: an idea of having someone such as ourselves turn up 214 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 4: and believe that we're going to be some level of 215 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 4: heavy authority to just try and expect that we're going 216 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 4: to drive change from the get go unless we can 217 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 4: educate the people within these spaces and make them understand, 218 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 4: you know, realizing their own time, that we're here to 219 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 4: support them and it's going to be a safe environment. 220 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 4: People will want to return, and we're going to have 221 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 4: businesses that want to come back, and you know, locals 222 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 4: that want to move to the territory and continue living 223 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 4: a happy life that we have here. 224 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what it's. 225 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's a good thing to obviously hear about 226 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: some positive things that are happening around the place. And 227 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: I know people have differing opinions obviously, you know, on 228 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: the way in which we're managing crime and law and order. 229 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: But it does sound as though the patrols are a 230 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: good deterrent. 231 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 6: And I think at this stage, Katie, we really need 232 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 6: to look at putting all the effort behind the resources 233 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 6: that are available to us. So we do have a 234 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 6: company here that is operating. It has proved to be 235 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 6: successful in what they've been doing around Malac and Crama 236 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 6: and through the airport, So why wouldn't we be looking 237 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 6: at so porting that to then head down to Alice 238 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 6: Springs where we know there. 239 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: Is some major problems. 240 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 6: Like these guys are both going down tomorrow and are 241 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 6: going to be talking to a whole range of businesses 242 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 6: that I've been working with them in connecting up with, 243 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 6: so you know, that's a really good start for them 244 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 6: to really get that first hand understanding of what is 245 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 6: happening in Alice Springs. And you know, the community down there, 246 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 6: we know is crying out for some support and some help. 247 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 6: So I believe that we should be all putting, you know, 248 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 6: our support behind a company that's actually going to go 249 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 6: down there to really want to try and make a 250 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 6: difference to the community. It's not for their own benefit, 251 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 6: it's to make a difference to the community to make 252 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 6: Alice Springs the great place that it should be. 253 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: How do you go in terms of staffing, because I 254 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: know that there's sort of staff shortages right around the 255 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: territory at the night, and I would imagine that it 256 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: takes quite a bit of training to, you know, to 257 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: sort of get people to the point where they're patrolling 258 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: but also handling the dogs. 259 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of the guys that we have within 260 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 4: our team, as any alluded to before, come from a 261 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 4: former ADF police corrections background, So we have guys that 262 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: we you know, a local guys with a high level 263 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 4: of skill set and understanding in these sorts of environments. 264 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 4: We're very selective about the people that we do bring 265 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 4: into that team because we understand that we want to 266 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 4: have people that have that skill set to not only 267 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 4: protect themselves, but then to protect the guy that's beside them. 268 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 4: And then knowing that we can have that appropriate engagement 269 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 4: with the people that are presented in from. 270 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: We're also fortunate in a way, Katie, we do operate 271 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: NATIO as well, so we do offer pathways for people 272 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: getting out of defense, so that's a big part of 273 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: our ethos as well. 274 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Perfect, Well, I appreciate your time this morning to 275 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: each and every one of you, Ruth, obviously, Andy and Chris, 276 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time this morning. We appreciate 277 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: you coming in and having your chat with us. 278 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you.