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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro

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Speaker 1: returns to YouTube with a behind the scenes look at

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Speaker 1: her marriage breakdown. Sky Wheatley poses as her manager amid

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Speaker 1: advertising complaints and Matt Sakowski's Love Island Secret. But first

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Speaker 1: og travel blogger Lauren Bullen has far to break up

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Speaker 1: rumors after unfollowing her baby daddy Liam on Instagram. The

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Speaker 1: social media disc comes just months after the pair celebrated

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Speaker 1: their daughter's first birthday together. Before we get into it, okay,

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Speaker 1: can you bring listeners up to speed with who Lauren

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Speaker 1: Bullen is?

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Speaker 2: Well. She's probably better known by her Instagram handle Gypsy Lust,

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Speaker 2: and she's attracted almost two million Instagram followers by sharing

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Speaker 2: very aesthetically pleasing snaps from her travels. She actually set

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Speaker 2: up her home base in Bali years ago, but she

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Speaker 2: returns to Australia quite often to visit her twin sister,

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Speaker 2: Ellie Watson. So Ellie Watson also is an influencer in

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Speaker 2: her own riot. She's better known by her Instagram handle

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Speaker 2: Elsa's Wholesome Life and she has six hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: two thousand followers on Instagram. I remember I actually used

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Speaker 2: to follow Elsa, and I'd always heard of this gypsy lust,

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Speaker 2: but I'd never put two and two together and realized

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Speaker 2: that they were twin sisters. And I remember when Lauren

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Speaker 2: appeared in one of Ellie's blogs and my mind was blown.

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Speaker 2: I was like, was that gypsy lust? I'd heard so

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Speaker 2: much about her and that the twins is just bizarre.

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Speaker 1: Well, Lauren really was that og influencer, wasn't she. I

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Speaker 1: remember back in the day trying to get her on

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Speaker 1: a story for Today Tonight when I worked there, and

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Speaker 1: my boss was so out of touch with social media.

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Speaker 1: He's like, no one knows who she is, no one cares,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, she's huge. Yeah, well, just two million

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Speaker 1: people seem to care exactly. Now, let's get back to

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Speaker 1: the breakup, because not only have Lauren and Liam unfollowed

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Speaker 1: each other on Instagram, they've also been absent from each

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Speaker 1: other's accounts, which is, of course a telltale sign that

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Speaker 1: something isn't right. So Liam last posted about Lauren in June,

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Speaker 1: and that was when they were holidaying together in Italy

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Speaker 2: Now, if they have broken up, sadly, it's not actually

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Speaker 2: the first time. So this couple has this incredible relationship

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Speaker 2: redemption art. So just for a bit of a timeline,

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Speaker 2: they actually began dating just months after Lauren announced her

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Speaker 2: shock split from her longtime partner and fellow travel blogger

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Speaker 2: Jack Morris. And this was massive news at the time

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Speaker 2: because Lauren and Jack had over four million Instagram followers

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Speaker 2: between them, and they were famous for taking beautiful couple

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Speaker 2: photos around the world, and they infamously built a three

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Speaker 2: story mansion in Balley together in twenty nineteen. So in

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Speaker 2: June twenty twenty one, when Lauren Hard launched her new

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Speaker 2: boyfriend Frenchman Liam to her socials, she was criticized for

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Speaker 2: moving on too quickly. In fact, some of her followers

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Speaker 2: accused her of trying to upset Jack with her new

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Speaker 2: showed her fans that there was no drama and that

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Speaker 2: she and Jack were happy for each other. She wrote,

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Speaker 2: don't jump to conclusions that any of these posts are

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Speaker 2: hurting him. Believe me, I wouldn't be posting about it

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Speaker 2: if I believed this would hurt him. There is no

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Speaker 2: hashtag team Lauren or hashtag team Jack, so just leave it.

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Speaker 1: She went on to say she didn't expect everyone to

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Speaker 1: understand or agree with her new relationship with Liam, saying

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Speaker 1: if you think it's too soon, that's okay, but you

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Speaker 1: have to realize you don't fully understand what people have

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Speaker 1: been going through prior to knowing about the breakup, so

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Speaker 1: you don't have any place to tell someone when it

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Speaker 1: is okay for them to love again. Yes, in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: I tried to run or deny feeling this way about

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Speaker 1: someone so soon, but when someone comes into your life

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Speaker 1: and makes you feel the way he made me feel,

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Speaker 1: then you better not run from it. I choose to

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Speaker 1: embrace it, and I'm so happy I did now.

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Speaker 2: Following all of that drama, Lauren and Liam ended up

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Speaker 2: spending the European Summer of twenty twenty one together in

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Speaker 2: between France and Greece before returning to Barley together. However,

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Speaker 2: less than a year later, Lauren announced their split on

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Speaker 2: her Instagram story, and she admitted that there was never

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Speaker 2: a perfect time to talk about a breakup, but she

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Speaker 2: had to address the elephant in the room awkwardly. She

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Speaker 2: happened to be in Paris at the time, which is

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Speaker 2: where Liam is from, and she said she found it

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Speaker 2: really difficult to document her trip there, so she wrote,

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Speaker 2: I'm far from ready to talk about this, but Liam

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Speaker 2: and I are no longer together. I know the majority

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Speaker 2: of you come from a place of loving and caring,

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Speaker 2: but I'm reminded every time I open Instagram to see

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Speaker 2: your messages. I share so much of my relationships, so

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Speaker 2: I know I somewhat owe an explanation now. For a while,

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Speaker 2: Lauren kept her dating life off social media, but she

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Speaker 2: back on with Liam. She never actually formally addressed it, though,

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Speaker 2: and then in March twenty twenty four announced that they

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Speaker 2: were pregnant with their first child.

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty big way to relaunch your relationship back

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Speaker 1: on social media.

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Speaker 2: Yes, quite a hard launch to say, oh, we're back

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Speaker 2: together and we're also having a baby, so it's very

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Speaker 2: sad news. If they actually have broken up. He got

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Speaker 2: me thinking, do you think you can ever make it

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Speaker 2: work with an X again?

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Speaker 3: I think it.

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Speaker 1: Depends how the relationship ended. If it ended because of cheating.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can ever get over it, because

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Speaker 1: that is going to be brought back every single time

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Speaker 1: you have a fight.

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Speaker 2: See. I've known couples who have broken up and been

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Speaker 2: apart for quite some time, then gotten back together, and

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Speaker 2: they've gone on to get married. So I think the

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Speaker 2: difference is that they've probably worked out what the issue

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Speaker 2: was and moved on from it. You can't hold on

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Speaker 2: to things from the last breakup, I think.

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Speaker 1: See that's really awkward for the friends because anytime a

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Speaker 1: friend breaks up with someone, that's when you tell your

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Speaker 1: friend what you really thought about them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're gone unfollowed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then it's super awkward when they're like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually getting back with that person. You like think,

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Speaker 1: holy fuck, Like that's going to be super awkward when

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Speaker 1: I now have to refollow that person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I've now learned to hold off from saying my

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Speaker 2: true opinions of someone because there always seems to be

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Speaker 2: that phase where the person will go back to them

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Speaker 2: for at least a little bit, and then they usually

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Speaker 1: Now, just back to Lauren. She added more fuel to

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Speaker 1: the fire last week when she documented traveling from Bali

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Speaker 1: it took her three flights to get to the party island,

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Speaker 1: said was much needed girl time.

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Speaker 2: If this doesn't screen breakup, I don't know what does.

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Speaker 2: She ended up conceding that the three solo flights parenting

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Speaker 2: she ended up sharing a story time about a female

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Speaker 2: passenger abusing her in business class because her daughter cried

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Speaker 2: during the night flight. So, according to Lauren, her daughter

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Speaker 2: every couple of hours. Lauren was then left shocked when

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Speaker 2: she was confronted in her business class suite by a

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Speaker 2: female passenger. So Lauren's daughter was asleep on her as

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Speaker 2: this passenger aggressively said to her, how dare you? How

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Speaker 2: dare you bring your baby into business? I paid for

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Speaker 2: this so I can sleep. How dare you now? Lauren

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Speaker 2: said she was lost for words, but managed to respond

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Speaker 2: something along the lines of you think I want my

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Speaker 2: baby crying right now? Now?

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Speaker 1: Lauren said the encounter tipped her over the edge and

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't comprehend how someone could be so rude

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Speaker 1: She went on to write, I want to share this

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Speaker 1: But to go out of your way to approach that

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Speaker 1: But this is public transport, and I have as much

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Speaker 1: thinks she's entitled to a completely uninterrupted flight next time. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I hope I never have to encounter such a bitch again.

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Speaker 1: And I think the fact I was so rattled about

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Speaker 2: That's quite hilarious. But I suppose the only way to

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Speaker 2: be guaranteed a baby free flight is to charter your

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in two minds because I obviously feel really

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Speaker 1: sorry for Lauren. That would be such a shit experience.

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Speaker 1: But can you imagine paying what twenty grand or something

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Speaker 2: be so bloody stressful. In saying that, though, Amy, I

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Speaker 2: do agree with you. If I'd paid all of that

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Speaker 2: a baby was seated near me.

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't surprise me that something like this happened

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Speaker 1: on an aeroplane because emotions are so high. Like I

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Speaker 1: saw a clip the other day on TikTok where a

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Speaker 1: of him reclining bad. Like people just turn into absolute animals.

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Speaker 2: The thing is, though we've now progressed so far with

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Speaker 2: noise canceling headphones, surely they should be available in business class,

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Speaker 2: you know, just even to help out with people abusing

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Speaker 2: the flight attendants over babies being on planes.

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Speaker 1: I have seen there's this trend where parents will bring

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Speaker 1: a little survival kit for the people sitting around their children,

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Speaker 1: and will often be like lollies and chocolate and ear plugs. Somehow,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that would go down well in first class.

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Speaker 1: They're not the sort of people that are impressed by

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Speaker 1: a couple of miles bars and some skittles.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to know how many times the woman who

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Speaker 2: abused Lauren has flown business class, because I'd almost be

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Speaker 2: it was her first and only time, and it's been

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Speaker 1: Vogger with that attitude I think she's in there all

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Speaker 1: the time. I think she thinks that business class is

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Speaker 2: Well. I actually looked up how much it costs for

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Speaker 1: It definitely came across that way. I think if Matt

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Speaker 2: Well, he can't come out and say she's a nascissist.

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Speaker 1: What we know from listening to So Dramatic is that

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Speaker 1: She has continued to remain tight lipped about what actually

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Speaker 1: Maybe Vanessa will have to release her own subtle podcast.

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Speaker 1: Just seeing she's brunette as well, because that's meant to

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Speaker 1: That's right, she released that vision, and then Bernard accused

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, we don't have to wait too long because

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Speaker 1: predictions Tammy and ending the Brownlow.

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Speaker 2: I would be absolutely flawed knowing that this was in

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Speaker 2: the cars.

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Speaker 1: But well, I think at the time we all thought

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Speaker 1: that the marriage would end, but we felt too mean

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Speaker 1: to say in our predictions. But a lot of people

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Speaker 1: sent that through.

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Speaker 2: I think we did predict it, surely, No, we didn't.

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Speaker 1: We felt too mean. It was an aldesome private prediction. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was a private prediction.

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Speaker 2: Five youngness again, quit my job.

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Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley has been accused of breaking advertising rules after

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Speaker 1: filming herself getting a salmon sperm facial. The allegations came

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Speaker 1: off the back of the former Reality Style revealing she

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Speaker 1: spent more than five hundred k on plastic surgery and injectables.

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Speaker 2: I love it because you had to record that a

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Speaker 2: couple of times, because you burst out laughing when you

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Speaker 2: said that she was filming herself getting a salmon spam facial,

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Speaker 2: because it kind of sounds like she broke advertising rules

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Speaker 2: because it's kind of a sordid process. It's notually just

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Speaker 2: injected into your face.

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Speaker 1: But I'd only heard of the salmon sperm facials from

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Speaker 1: bek Jud's podcast that we spoke about a couple of

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Speaker 1: months ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why this story is so interesting. So

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Speaker 2: Sky is no stranger to sharing her experience with cosmetic procedures.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, she documented herself getting a breast

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Speaker 2: augmentation in Thailand as part of a promotional arrangement. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: that surgery went wrong and she was left with a

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Speaker 2: very noticeable double bubble in her right breast, and she

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Speaker 2: later paid twenty eight thousand dollars to have corrective surgery

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Speaker 2: in Sydney to fix the issue. Of course, this time

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Speaker 2: last year, Sky underwent a controversial fox eyelift in Turkey.

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Speaker 2: We spoke about that in length at the time, and

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Speaker 2: during that trip she also had a temporal lift and

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Speaker 2: liposuction on her arms and inner thighs. So it seemed

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Speaker 2: very on trend for Sky to share about getting a

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Speaker 2: salmon sperm facial. Nothing too out of the ordinary, and

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Speaker 2: she documented her experience on TikTok, sharing a glowing testimony

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Speaker 2: of the treatment. She also filmed the procedure in progress

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Speaker 2: and the aftermath. Sky also shared before and after photos

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Speaker 2: on an Instagram story and made claims about how the

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Speaker 2: treatment worked. It's important to point out it's unclear what

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Speaker 2: the advertising relationship is between Sky and the cosmetic Clinic.

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Speaker 2: She hasn't disclosed that there was a partnership, but she

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Speaker 2: tagged the skin Clinic in her TikTok and on her

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Speaker 2: Instagram story. So the big question is why is it

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Speaker 2: a problem and how does this differ to her sharing

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Speaker 2: about her plastic surgery.

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Speaker 1: So the difference is that the procedure is actually regulated

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Speaker 1: by the TGA as a Class three medical device. So

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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty two, the TGA updated their code

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Speaker 1: which impacted the way influencers promote cosmetic injectibles on social media.

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Speaker 1: So the rules are now very strict. Basically, influencers cannot

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Speaker 1: show before and after comparisons or provide testimonies.

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Speaker 2: And it got me thinking about how Beck Judd recently

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Speaker 2: spoke about the salmon sperm facial on her podcast Vainish,

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Speaker 2: and it appears the difference is that Beck did it

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Speaker 2: in more of an educational way that was balanced, and

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Speaker 2: she spoke about both the risks and the benefits. It

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Speaker 2: also appears she wasn't actually paid to speak about it,

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Speaker 2: which is another major difference. It is all rather confusing

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Speaker 2: because it appears that the restrictions around the promotion of

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Speaker 2: medical goods and devices is actually stricter than the promotion

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Speaker 2: of surgeries, because you see so many influencers talking about

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Speaker 2: the various cosmetic surgeries that they've had and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: seem like they have to abide by any specific rules.

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Speaker 2: But that's essentially because surgeries are already regulated as a

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Speaker 2: professional service and the focuses on the practitioner, whereas with

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Speaker 2: medical goods and devices they can be misused by the

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Speaker 2: public more easily, So that's why they have what appear

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Speaker 2: to be stricter rules around advertising on social media.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting because it was actually the Daily Telegraph

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Speaker 1: who broke the story about Sky, and recently they have

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Speaker 1: been reporting on major media outlets who've been receiving fines

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Speaker 1: and court actions by the TGA for allegedly unlawful advertising,

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Speaker 1: and this is in relation to stories about medical cannabis,

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Speaker 1: weight loss drugs and also cosmetic surgery, so it's obviously

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Speaker 1: on their radar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, reading between the lines that seem like the Daily

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Speaker 2: Telegraph were quite annoyed by the fact that big media

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Speaker 2: are getting stung while influencers are dodging penalties. They even

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Speaker 2: reported that the TGA are yet to reveal comparable penalties

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Speaker 2: for influencers. The details the TJA have released though, are

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Speaker 2: that nearly thirteen thy five hundred online ads will remove

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Speaker 2: last year due to breaching restrictions. So I wonder if

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Speaker 2: they're really trying to make an example of Sky.

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Speaker 1: I can understand why there would be frustration coming from

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Speaker 1: the large media outlets because the influencer world is so

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Speaker 1: unregulated and even though there are apparently all these rules

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Speaker 1: that they must follow, it doesn't seem that any influencers

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Speaker 1: ever actually get punished for doing the wrong thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many times do we see influences not disclosing ads

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Speaker 1: and nothing ever happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at the worst, they seem to get a slap

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Speaker 2: on the wrist. I do want to point out the

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Speaker 2: TJA have not confirmed if Sky is being invest sigated,

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Speaker 2: as they cannot actually comment on individual cases.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: Funnily enough, the Daily Telegraph reached out to Sky for comment,

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Speaker 1: and they reported that they received a message back from

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Speaker 1: a woman claiming to be Sky's manager called Daniellet Lombardi,

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Speaker 1: and she apparently wrote, I'm Sky's manager and I do

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Speaker 1: not give you permission to write about Sky, nor is

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Speaker 1: it any of your concern, and later Sky confessed on

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Speaker 1: TikTok that she was actually pretending to be her manager.

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Speaker 1: So in the comment section of her video, she wrote, Yep,

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Speaker 1: that was me. I wrote that with two laughing faces.

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Speaker 2: And this is why Sky continues to be popular on

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Speaker 2: social media.

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Speaker 4: I love that she.

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Speaker 1: Didn't even go to chat GPT for a response, but

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Speaker 1: you can tell that she just wrote this herself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Daily Telegraph actually included some of the typos

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Speaker 2: in the message as well, which was rooted for.

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Speaker 1: You could just imagine they would have been sitting around

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Speaker 1: in the newsroom and been like, this is not her manager,

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Speaker 1: this is Sky.

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Speaker 2: The fact that they actually included it because normally they say, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, Sky Wheatley was contacted and refused to comment

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Speaker 2: or something like that, but to actually include it obeyed

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Speaker 2: him as pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I love that Sky just thinks that because her manager

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Speaker 1: says you don't have permission to write about Sky, they're

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Speaker 1: just going to go, oh, okay, sorry, that's cool, we

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Speaker 1: just won't print anything.

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Speaker 2: What I want to know is her manager actually called

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Speaker 2: Daniella Lombardier or is that a fake name as well?

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Speaker 2: Real sure it's a fake name. Well, that's where we're

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Speaker 2: going to leave things today. But if you do want

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Speaker 2: extra content from us, we drop a subscriber only episode

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Speaker 2: every Thursday. Essentially, it's just like this show, but on

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Speaker 2: a Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Outspoken Plus is just essentially an extension of this show.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of extra influencer drama that we discuss

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Speaker 1: on there each week.

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