WEBVTT - UNDERSTANDING THE REAL BYRON BAES! 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.520 TV Reload the podcast. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.720 Last week, don't I welcome back guys to TV Reload. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:09.440 My name's Benjamin Norris and on this podcast I go 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.360 behind the scenes with the biggest players in television. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.120 Yeah, great questions. The show's about the game. There's a 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.520 lot of great television out there in Australia. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.040 But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.239 The truth is, when I started writing it, it wasn't 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.119 had nothing to do with the news and casting agents. 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.400 They know from a casting point of view what they need, and. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:31.000 Editors because that's what we do as editors where storytellers. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.360 Not to forget some incredible executive producers who are making 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.479 some of the best TV in Australia. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.879 I have been on the program since the beginning and 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:40.839 it's kind of in my DNA. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.320 So thanks for joining me each week and I hope 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.599 the podcast continues to give you real insight into the 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:48.360 magic of television today. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:49.360 On the podcast, I. 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:53.120 Have Alex Reid, who is the latest reality TV sensation 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.840 from the Netflix series Byron Bass. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:57.280 This show has. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.600 Been given more flak than any series of the record. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:02.680 From the announcement to the launch. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.920 Everyone can't stop talking about the polarizing nature of this 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:11.000 doco reality series. That is said and Byron and centers 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:15.160 around influences. To say that you like this show publicly 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.080 is almost social suicide. But for me, I'm just going 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.640 to wave my freak flag and say that this is 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.640 a great snapshot at a world that I don't really 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:28.960 take too seriously and therefore I thoroughly enjoyed my binge 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.840 watch of the first series made by Eureka Productions. In 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.759 today's chat, Alex has his head around anything I can 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.360 throw at him, and I love his take on the show. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.800 We will talk about the country's hatred of both Byron 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.600 and influencers, why he joined the show, and if he 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:50.400 has some sexual chemistry with Jade his series Nemesis. However, 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.440 let's get started. I'd like to welcome Alex Read to 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:54.360 TV Reload. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.800 So you have a lot of extreme characters on the show. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:03.040 You're an absolute fucking disgrace, absolutely fucking pathetic. I think 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.200 Barron needs to be honest with itself as to what 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:09.119 it is. Bon Bay has this strong power that if 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.400 it wants you here, it sucks you in the idea 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.440 of an influencer I think upsets people. From the number 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:19.200 one most followed male influencer of Australia, I'm not the 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:20.680 best at making friends. 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:22.400 Do you have a problem with me? I do have 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:23.240 an issue with you. 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:25.680 I wanted to be a part of a show that 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.480 hopefully changes Australia's take on docu series. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:31.359 Hi Alex, how are you? 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.920 I am great? Thanks, very excited to be here. You 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.000 actually are my first podcast interviews since during the show, 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:39.639 So you are breaking my podcast, Virginity. 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:41.919 Would you see belt on mate? 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:43.640 Go slow? 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:45.000 I love it? 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:46.959 So look, you know, I have to ask right off 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.600 about what has the response been to Byron Bays so far, 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:51.679 the response. 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.200 To by and by you know, it's been going on 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.480 for so long, ever since the announcement last year through 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.280 to today, I guess it's been It's been a wave. 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:01.280 I think when I first came out, there were so 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.440 many preconceived ideas as to what this show was going 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.400 to be before anyone had picked up a camera. So 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.440 from what people perceived it to be to what it is, 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:15.000 obviously for me as well, it has gone on a 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.160 journey and I from what it started out to what 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.680 it is now, it's not what I expected for the better. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.600 To be honest, I actually made some connections with people, 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.160 and I actually formed some friendships on that show, and 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.799 judging by that first press release, that wasn't something I 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:29.560 think I would do. 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:31.760 Oh my gosh, there's just so much to unpack. Let 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:32.360 me tell you. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.240 Like a girlfriend of mine sent a screen grab of 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.200 a whole section of you in the first episode where 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:39.920 you get up and walk away from you know, the 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:41.520 healing that was happening. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.640 I've never been to a party where there was sound 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:47.400 healing before. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:53.640 I don't think I can do this. Yeah I can't. 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:54.520 What are you gonna do? 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:55.120 You're gonna go? 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.640 And she was like, I'm dead for this guy. That 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:02.160 would be me. 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.440 It was. There was a lot. But the thing is 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.200 like as an outsider, because you know, for me, I 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.320 spend a lot of time in Bayron. You know, there 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.920 is that side to Byron which I haven't always been 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.920 a part of, and it exists and it's alive and well, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.440 but I don't know, I just don't have the tolerance 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.960 for it. And I just I don't. I can't. I 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:23.839 don't have the tolerance for it. So when you see 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.919 me get up and leave, it's not acting there is 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.960 that's generally how I felt. I really wanted to get 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:30.440 out of there. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.960 Yeah, so it does have that reaction with people. 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.240 You know, a show like Byron Bays, I mean this 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.240 style of reality television. You know, it makes a lot 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.360 of noise, and I think that has to do with 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.920 you know, our country's hatred of show ponies. But don't 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.800 you think that there is an unbalanced hatred of influences 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:49.440 over the popularity of them. 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.479 I think it just comes down to Australia, as you said, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.719 in Australian mentality of tall poppy syndrome. Like the idea 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.920 of an influencer I think upsets people the fact that, 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:00.240 you know, the perception that they don't do any wor work, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.240 but they get paid of this money and they just 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.919 take photos of themselves. Like of course that is just 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.160 a recipe for people to hate them. But I think 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.520 the evolution of what an influencer has become is you know, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.719 is changing, Like their content credits the creative people they make. Thinks, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.719 well they're starting to, and I think that shift is changing. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.440 But look, it's natural. Like if I'd get I'd be 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.920 pissed off too. If my best friend became an influencer 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.080 and had a couple of million followers and you know, 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.560 post a couple of bikini photos and at my yearly 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.400 salary in three minutes. Sure I'd hate them as well. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.919 So I get the hate. But I think the people's 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.200 perceptions are changing slowly, but they're changing the. 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.680 People who I know that hate influences the most of 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.760 the people you know who would never be followed. Is 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:47.000 there a secret ingredients of like jealousy that someone being 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.520 so validated in such a gluttony of vanity you know 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:51.279 bothers people. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.080 I think it's just intrigue, right, Like I think for 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.880 most people to you know, to be an influencer is 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.320 such a foreign thing, but it feels like something that 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.960 could be so obable, Like the barrier to enter to 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.839 be an influencer is, you know, seemingly low. You're like, 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:07.800 you know, he needs a phone and an idea and 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.400 you know, you know something different. I think a lot 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.479 of people think it's something that anyone can do, and 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.080 there is that jealousy that's inside like you know, well, 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.159 why can't do it? Like why can't I be that 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.000 person or why can't I have that following? And I 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.520 think that's where that jealousy comes from, because it is 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.640 a low barrier to enter to become an influencer, Like 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.960 you don't need a TV station, you don't need a 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.039 TV network, you don't need all these traditional things to 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.159 become famous anymore. Or he needs a phone. So I 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.320 get it why people, you know, do get jealous between 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.080 when they see an influencer doing well, they go, well, 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.040 what's the difference, what's the difference between me and them? Well? 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.440 I think the difference though is, and I know a 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.599 lot of people that do this for work, is that 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:51.719 they're some of the hardest working people I know, like 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.839 trying to get that content. You may see a thirty 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.599 second clip. What I see when I see, well, someone 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.880 posts that, it's three days worth of work. Because you 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.200 can't just shoot things and it just flies off into 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.480 someone's Instagram perfectly or into the zeitglass perfectly. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.000 There is a lot instruction, you know, totally. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.000 And that's why I work with a lot of my 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.560 clients on is you know, becoming an influencer is a 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.200 real job, and to be honest with that, we don't 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.800 like the word influencer. Influencer is a dirty word in 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.440 our world because the guy conjures up those ideas of 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:27.200 you know, bikini babes selling you know, protein balls and 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.480 coffee scrubs and things like that, whereas we try to 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.520 think the more as content creators. And that's where for me, 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:37.040 where I find talent is those those individuals that are 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.280 created and can create something. And what's really cool is 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.520 when they can adapt their brand to work with another 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.880 brand to make money. And I think that's where the 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.680 intelligence and the true creativity comes with it, and that's 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.920 what I'm really drawn to when I think of creators. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.680 That's what I think. And to your point, it does 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.120 take a lot of work to get there and to 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.040 develop and build an audience. Like you know, a magazine 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:03.880 or a newspaper back in the day, or a TV 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.520 station spends millions and billions of dollars trying to build 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.640 an audience to watch their content. It's the same today, 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.400 but the competition's harder. Like, while the barrier to enter 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:17.640 is so low, you're also competing with everyone else. So 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:19.280 what the hell makes you special? 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:20.960 Well, I think that you and I could work on 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.440 a separate show because I used to have like over 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.120 one hundred thousand people following me on my Instagram and 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.559 I've burnt them by just like literally posting a photo 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.400 of myself, my dog and my partner and just like 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.160 burnt through them really quickly. So I think we should 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.240 do like a side show, which is like how to 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.360 get rid of all of your followers in twenty four hours? 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:39.599 Wasn't that like that movie, like you know, how to 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.040 Lose a guy in ten days? Like you could just 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.559 change this that the hell is one hundred thousand followers 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:47.160 in you know, one hundred days. You know I'd be 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.960 great at that, look as you can, as you were 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.440 seeing from the show, I'm not the best at making friends. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.440 So it's my favorite thing about you. I just am 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:58.040 living for it. 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.400 And I just hope that people, when they do find 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.959 it on Netflix, that they give it the opportunity to 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.400 like enjoy it beyond episode one. Because if you tip 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.960 past episode one and you get over all your thoughts 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.400 on influences and what you think of Byron Bay people, 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.280 and you just start sort of sipping on the drama, 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.800 you're drunk by episode three and you're having a good time. 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.000 Yeah, I think, And I'd say to a lot of 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:21.920 people like once when you get hooked on these people, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:26.280 because while they are so weird and wacky and different, 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.800 like they're casting on the show, that they're so different 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.360 and like that is one of the first things to 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:34.760 keep me. I was like, holy shit, who are these people? 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.880 But then in the same breath, you know, just look 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.520 around Byron. Byron has everything from the type of characters 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.960 on this show to you know, like the sixty five 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:46.080 year old retirees who've sold their media agencies and you know, 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.840 brought some massive hill, massive house in Cooper Shuit. But 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.640 you've also got eighteen year olds moving there, you know, 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:55.040 with no shoes, just enjoying some kind of like semi 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.920 hippie existence. Like Byron really does have it all. And 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.680 I think you'd be hard pressed to find cross section 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.240 of society or a place in Australia that has such 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:09.240 a cross section from not only super wealthy, super organic 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.600 and then you know super parties. Like obviously I've used 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.719 the words super way too many times here, but. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.280 There's such a cross section for brand people that's on 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:18.120 brand for Byron. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:18.760 It's fine. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.560 Yeah, it's a lot of it's a lot of extremes, 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.720 I think, and that's what this show encapsulates. You have 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.240 a lot of extreme characters on the show, and it's real. 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.640 It's like, that's what they're the type of people that 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.559 didn't have a Byron. And sure there's people who come 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.640 and go from Byron, like Jade and Sarah, but that 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.120 is what Byron is too. It's a transient place. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.080 I just think it's funny that that sort of hold 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.760 up a mirror against Byron. And don't we all get 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.480 really uncomfortable when someone holds up a mirror about who 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.640 we are? And I think as the production was announced, 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.960 people in Byron will like, get these people out of here. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.480 But then at the same time, I think that comes 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.440 back to that uncomfortability of not wanting to see ourselves 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:00.200 like that. And I think this doesn't represent everyone in Byron, 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.199 but it certainly does represent a large portion of it 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:04.360 at the moment, don't you think. 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.720 Yeah, I think I think Byron needs to be honest 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.840 with itself as to what it is. And I think 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.640 trying to hold onto what Byron Bay was in you know, 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.960 the nineties, is just not realistic. Like, you know, you 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.360 can't stop the evolution, and you know, people want to 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.240 come to Byron. People have always wanted to come to 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.959 Byron because it was accepting, and I think that's kind 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.000 of what stings a little bit about the backlash is 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.280 Byron was always a really accepting place that you could 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.760 come and be whoever you want to and you know, 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.600 no shoes, no worries. But all of a sudden it 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.400 just turned into on a hold on a second, no, 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.559 we're full, get out, like we don't want this anymore. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.080 And I see both sides. I see both sides saying that, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.080 you know, the protection of what Byron was then and 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.560 the way it could be so open and accepting was 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.439 because it was so free, and now it feels very commercialized. 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.360 But I don't know, I just you know, not to 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.160 quote you know, Muriel's wedding, But you can't stop progress. 0:11:58.679 --> 0:11:59.200 Can I just say? 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.120 As soon as you said that two minutes ago, I 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.000 was like, are we going to get a Billhouset quote 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.200 here in a second? Yes, yes, you know, it would 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.000 have been great if you're wearing a T shirt. We'll 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:08.840 just tell people that are listening to the podcast they 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:10.480 can't see. We'll just tell people that. 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.000 That's that's right, I'm doing this. I'm actually doing this 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.280 whole podcast from my local Chinese. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:19.160 Restaurant, impoorpersmit. 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.800 What I find really hilarious is that people have an 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.000 objectivity now of Byron, you know, let's say hippies or 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.439 whatever they want to say. But in this show there 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:32.400 is a similar disdain from you know, Byron locals towards 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.319 the Gold Coast. Why do those universes now clash? You know, 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.400 it's kind of like, ugh, the Gold Coast where the 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.120 rest of Australia at the moment is a bit like 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.320 oh Byron, you know, I don't understand where does the 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:43.959 clash come from. 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:48.040 I think, well, look both both look like both those 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.040 cities have changed so much, and I think it's a 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.280 it's a nice polarization. You've got the Gold Coast and 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.560 the glitz and glam and the fake boobs and the 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.760 fake face and everything. But Byron looking at that, going 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.640 oh my god, we would never be like that. We 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.200 are so organic and you know, we're you know, living 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.120 off the land. But like, you know, you take a 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.480 look around the shops in Byron, like you can't buy 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.800 zecchini and buying for less than ten dollars, you know, 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.320 like it's a it's a high and expensive place to live. 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.600 Everything's organic and hand raised by a shaman, but yeah, 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.400 you're paying fifty bucks for a fig It's got the 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.920 glitz and the glamour. People aren't driving Lamborghinis around Byron Bay, 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.000 but you know they can afford to buy groceries there, 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:25.920 which to me is more of a flex. 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.400 You know, I want to go back to the start. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.200 I think we've got a little bit ahead of ourselves. 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.559 But that's that's on brand for me, not your fault. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.079 But how did you get involved in this project in 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:34.720 the first place? 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.520 So I had obviously I work in I work in 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.640 production space, you know, in my background, and I had 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.640 a phone call from one of the people at Eureka 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.880 that I'm you know, close with, and said, hey, were 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.920 doing the show about influencers set in Byron Bay. I 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.439 was I was living in Byron Bay at the time, 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.440 and you know, it took me a while to get 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.480 my head around the fact where he was interested in 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.920 me being on the show was talent, because I was 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.920 wrapping off as a good manager, does enough talent would 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.240 be great for this show. And he's like, no, mate, 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.240 we would like to, you know, look at you being 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.880 on the show. And at first I was like no, 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.320 but you know, we've just been through a pandemic, and 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.040 I thought, what's the worst that happened. The world's nearly ended, 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.280 I might as well do a reality show. But for me, 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.560 what got me on the show was I have a 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.680 huge amount of respect for the guys at Eureka and 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.640 you know, for me, a big part of saying yes 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.200 to this show was the team that they had put 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.520 on it. And that was a really big decision making 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.960 process for me. And because you know, coming from a 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.080 space where I, you know, have worked as a have 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.720 worked you know, in production, I know how these shows work. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:41.360 For me, to put my trust and faith in someone 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.600 as like, to put my trust and face into a 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.080 production team as a talent like was massive. And you know, 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:52.000 when I found Emma Lamb was involved, that excited me 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.680 because I love her work. But it also terrified me 0:14:56.240 --> 0:15:00.400 because I love her work, So I was kind of 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.480 conflicted there And for me, that was a big part 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.280 of it. I wanted to be part of a show 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.040 that was obviously a first for Netflix. I wanted to 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.400 be a part of a show that hopefully changes Australia's 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.800 take on docu series and these style of shows, because 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.360 Australians love to hate these shows and whether this show 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.560 changes people's perceptions you know, I don't know, but I 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.680 feel like the way that Netflix were prepared to back 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.680 this and the team that youure Can built around it, 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.000 I was like, well, if this show doesn't work, then 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.320 you may as well just like take the docu series 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.840 formatt and blow it up, because if these guys can't 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.600 make it work, then no one's going to make it work. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.720 Because they had the right team and it wasn't like 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.280 if this show was going on you know, no disrespect, 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.440 if it was going on you know, seven Mate, it 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.720 probably would pass. But the fact that it was going 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.880 on Netflix and had that global audience was really exciting to, 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.080 you know, have a Netflix stamp on an Australian Docky series. 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:54.800 It was going out to the world. I thought, hey, 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:58.320 that's pretty cool. And for me it was an interesting experience, 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.120 you know, being talent for them the first time on 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.080 a show and kind of having to surrender myself and 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.360 handover trust and as a massive control free was huge. 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:07.840 Yeah. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.760 Well, Ricky and Paul and Chris. There's some amazing people 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.480 behind the scenes there at Eureka. So if you're gonna 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.480 do reality television, which is scary, you know, I think 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.320 that's they're the sort of people that you go as, 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.280 you know, I think you say yes to was the 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.200 whole process that are hard to get your head around 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.440 because you know, coming from not being in front of 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.320 the camera instead of pushing people into it. 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:28.640 I felt watching you. 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.480 I mean, maybe they should it out of sequence, I 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.680 don't know, but I kind of felt like you were 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:33.200 a natural. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.880 You just sort of immediately were in it. 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:36.200 You know. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:37.800 It was how hard was it to sort of get 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.480 your head around it and just be natural in front 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:39.920 of the camera. 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.080 It took the first episode? Was it was tough and 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.160 I felt stiff because it wasn't It was like it 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:48.640 was just a world of It was a part of 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.240 Bay and Bay that I was aware of and I 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:55.680 had dabbled slightly into, but it wasn't my Byron to 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.520 start with. And my whole objective was like, Okay, why 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.400 am I going to stick out with these people? Was 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.560 you know, I'm building a life in Barron Bay and 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.720 unless I want to be at home sad counting my 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.280 expensive zucchinis and figs, like I need to have friends, right, 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.560 Like I need to put myself out there and do 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.399 something so I looked at it went Okay, you know what, 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.080 if I'm going to do it, I'm going to make 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.159 an effort with these people. And once I kind of 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:23.160 got over myself, it was fine because I realized they're 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:27.080 they're harmless. But for me, it was just just going, okay, 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:28.439 you know what, I'm doing it. And for me, the 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.880 things I didn't drink on that show didn't have one 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.840 sip of alcohol, which I think really helped me because 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:40.560 I was very aware of my self the entire time. 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.639 And if anyone is out there doing reality TV, I 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.760 would give them that advice to no. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:47.840 No, you know, like a lot of these shows, you know, 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:49.720 they licking them up. I think it's really smart, you know. 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.840 I remember reading I think it was Erica Jane from 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.000 the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She didn't have a 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:54.879 sip of alcohol. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.159