1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday, 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: the eleventh of May, and it is budget day. My 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: name is Zara Seidler, and helping me make sense of 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: today's news is Sam Koslowski. Making news today other than 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: the budget, Maurice Paine in Afghanistan, the Jack Debellin case, 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: some good news about the Janolan caves, and the. 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: Chat about refugees in Canada. Here's today's daily digest. 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: Foreign Minister Maurice Paine has visited Afghanistan ahead of troops 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: being withdrawn from the country later this year. Payne met 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: with leaders to discuss Australia's support for a stable and 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: secure Afghanistan during the time of change, as well as 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: her hopes for an ongoing peace negotiation with the Taliban 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: and the effects of COVID nineteen. Pain also reportedly spoke 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: with President Ushraf Ghani about the alleged war crimes committed 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: by Australian special troops in Afghanistan. 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: Nral player Jack Debellin has been found not guilty of 17 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: one charge of sextionly assaulting a nineteen year old woman. 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: The jury was unable to reach a verdict on the 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: remaining four charges against him. De Belen and his friend 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: Callen Sinclair have faced a two and a half week 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: trial after being accused of sexually assaulting a nineteen year 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: old woman. Both pleaded not guilty to five counts each 23 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: of aggravated sexual assault. 24 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: A COVID nineteen study has found two in three people 25 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: who contracted the virus have displayed ongoing health issues. Early 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: results of the COVID recovery study have shown thirty percent 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: of patients were quote A live and disability free, while 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: seventy percent of patients are experiencing ongoing symptoms, including mild 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: shortness of breath and weakness. The study hopes to identify 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: unique symptoms and long term outcomes of COVID nineteen. 31 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: And your budget day good news. The popular New South 32 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: Wales tourist attraction, the Jenolan Caves, has been reopened after 33 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: facing fires, floods, a pandemic and landslides. The access road 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: to the Jenolan Caves precinct was severely damaged after heavy 35 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: rainfall and landslides in March this year. As of yesterday, 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: a limited capacity of visitors are now able to visit 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: the world famous stalactites and stalagmites of the cave. For 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: today's Deep Dive, we thought we'd have a look at 39 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: a report written yesterday by The Guardian Australia and they 40 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: reported that the Morrison government is looking at the Canadian 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: model of community sponsorship of refugees in order to review 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: Australia's current support programs. 43 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: That was a whole lot of words. Can you take 44 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: me through what you just said? 45 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: So Canada has a pretty unique model here it is 46 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: in ten seconds. Basically, private groups or community organizations can 47 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: volunteer to cover the financial costs and settlement support for 48 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: humanitarian entrants who are coming into the country as refugees. 49 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: It's an immigration program that stands alone in the world 50 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: as the first of its kind, and a number of 51 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: countries have followed suit, but Canada definitely have the title 52 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: of the og. Since they introduced the program in nineteen seventy, 53 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: they've welcomed more than three hundred thou refugees as part 54 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: of the community sponsorship plan. It's really interesting the mechanics 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: of how this works. So basically there's two groups that 56 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: can apply to take in a refugee. One is a 57 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: sponsorship agreement holder, so that's typically a corporation or a 58 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: community organization, and the other is called a group of 59 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: five and that's literally just five or more Canadian citizens 60 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 2: or permanent residents. When they agree to sponsor a refugee, 61 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: they agree to give the refugee emotional and financial support 62 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 2: for the full sponsorship period. They also agreed to raise 63 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: the equivalent of one year of social security so one 64 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: year of seniling payments essentially, which is held in a 65 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: trust account and paid to the sponsored refugees to meet 66 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: their settlement expenses once they reach Canada. If the group 67 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: or the corporation is short of cash but they still 68 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: want to be part of the program, they can offset 69 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: that amount by donating clothes, food, housing, furniture and household goods. 70 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: Of course, there are some limitations to the program. The 71 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: individual has to be referred by the UNHCR as a refugee, 72 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: and the order in which the refugees arrive is regulated 73 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: by the Canadian government. Importantly, what they've found in Canada 74 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: is that the program does a lot more than just 75 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: speed up refugee intake into a country. It actually increases 76 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: social cohesion in the country. Members of the broader community 77 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: can really participate in welcoming the refugee, and that makes 78 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: a major difference when you think about things like schooling 79 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: or housing, or even something as simple as joining a 80 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: community sports team. So how does this all tie into Australia. 81 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: So the Commonwealth Coordinator General for Migrant Services, Allison Larkins, 82 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: has conducted a review of Australia's current support arrangements. She's 83 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 2: submitted detailed recommendations to Alex Hawk, who's the Minister for 84 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: Citizenship and Immigration. What the review found was that humanitarian 85 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 2: entrants refugees to Australia experienced a greater socioeconomic disadvantage than 86 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: other migrants, particularly in the labor market. So the translation 87 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: of that is that they were struggling to find jobs 88 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: and they were economically disadvantage for longer than other entrants 89 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: into the country. 90 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: What are some criticisms that have arisen? 91 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: So although this was only flagged yesterday, there already has 92 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: been a sense that such a program could actually take 93 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: some pressure off the government, which at the end of 94 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: the day we charge with responsibility for the humanitarian intake 95 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: that Australia agrees to on an international scale. In some 96 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: ways the criticism is accurate. This is passing the buck 97 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: a little bit. But from another perspective. If there are 98 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: community organizations and groups of Australians looking to take in 99 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: refugees and financially support their intake themselves, it could be 100 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: a good way to expand Australia's intake. 101 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: So I read another criticism that was centered around the 102 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: longevity of this relationship. What happens beyond the initial engagement 103 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: between the refugee and the person that they are interacting with. 104 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: Talk me through that criticism. 105 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: The Refugee Council of Australia has flags these issues when 106 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: considering privately sponsored refisfugees. What they're wary of is when 107 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: relationships between sponsors and refugees are initially supportive and constructive, 108 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 2: but then deteriorate over time. This has led in Canada 109 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: to situations of exploitation and a reported sense from refugees 110 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: that they feel pressure to repay their sponsors. Despite the criticisms, 111 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: it's a hugely popular program in Canada. In fact, in 112 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: the last couple of years, especially during the COVID pandemic 113 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 2: and after the war in Syria, the program has had 114 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: to be capped to allow for the administrative side of 115 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 2: the program to keep up with how many Canadians are 116 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: throwing their hands up to support refugees. 117 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: Refugee policy has remained a massive point of contention. Do 118 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: you see the government of the day now actually adopting 119 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: this or is this mere chatter? 120 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: I really don't want to be pessimistic on this, and 121 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: I also don't want to preempt the government's response. We're 122 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: going to have to wait until they respond to the 123 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: report to accurately understand how they're feeling about it. But 124 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem in line with Australia's approach to refugees 125 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 2: over the last two decades to adopt a program like this, 126 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: In saying that this is not the first time such 127 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: a program has been recommended, so in some respects, the 128 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: program and the idea itself is gathering speed and it's 129 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: definitely something we should be looking out for in the 130 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: news cycle over the next decade. 131 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: That is all we have time for today. 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