1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, the Australian skincare War playing 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: out amongst TikTok's most popular creators, M Davies Sparks debate 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: about bounce back culture, the Dorito's dating theory, and Chloe 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Zepp's business woes. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: a week. I'm so Vie taller and I have to say, Kate, 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: you have absolutely popped this week. 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: You are entering the six month mark. I really have. 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: And it makes a lot more sense since talking to 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: my midwife because we did our twenty week scan recently 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: and we got the results and she called up saying, look, 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: there's no issues, but I just wanted to flag that 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: the baby is in the ninety third percent of for 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: size and I was really shocked because we're only five 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: foot four. Reese's family aren't huge, and I'm like, where 16 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: is it hiding, because really I haven't looked ultra pregnant 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: at all. It's funny because we have got a few 18 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: comments where people have said that they think that we're 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: really tall. 20 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: I don't know why that is. We are very short. 21 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: We do have tall relatives, those of our cousins. One 22 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: of our cousins is six foot six, so I think 23 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: it's coming from them. 24 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 25 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: I did end up messaging them and said, can you 26 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: check with your mom if you were in the ninety 27 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: percent hole for high and they were actually ninety five 28 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: and ninety seven percent. So I'm just concerned because my 29 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: husband is six foot five, So what does that mean? 30 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: I know. 31 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: Well, I was like, well, I'll be booking in a cesarean. 32 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: It actually makes me feel better in terms of buying 33 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: the baby clothes. Maybe we'll just have to go for 34 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: the big sizes. 35 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 4: Yeah. 36 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: While I was looking at Yeah, while I was looking 37 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: up those sleeping bags for babies and the sizes of 38 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: newborn small, medium, and large, and I'm like, I don't 39 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: know what to go for now. 40 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 4: A couple of things that I've learned recently that I 41 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 4: want to pass on to you guys and maybe they'll 42 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 4: help you in your life. 43 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: Chloe Zepp has revealed she's been struggling with her active 44 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: wear line zeb. However, instead of facing the challenges on 45 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: her own, she's reached out to an industry leader for 46 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: some advice. 47 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: This is what she said. 48 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 4: I used to never ask for help because I don't 49 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 4: know if it was an ego thing or if. 50 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: I was just. 51 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 4: Overly self sufficient and felt like I was failing. 52 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: If I needed to ask for help or something. I 53 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: don't know what it was. 54 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 4: But recently I was struggling with my business and you know, 55 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 4: running or being the owner of a business. 56 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 5: Comes with. 57 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: A lot of responsibility, and you do have a lot of. 58 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: Challenges and it's hard. 59 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 4: And instead of you know, suffering through that on my own, 60 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 4: I thought, I'm going to reach out to someone in 61 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: the same industry that's doing really well and get some advice. 62 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: So that's a number one. 63 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 4: If you are struggling in a certain field in your 64 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 4: life and you see someone succeeding in that. 65 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: Area, just put out the. 66 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 4: Feelers and ask for help or advice and see what 67 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 4: they can offer and help you with. 68 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: You never know if you don't ask, and it could 69 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: change your life by asking for help. 70 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: I thought the timing of this update from Chloe was 71 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: really interesting because she has recently posted about searching for 72 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: a personal brand manager, so it is unclear if she's 73 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: actually hired someone. But this type of vulnerable insight is 74 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: quite different to the content that we're used to seeing 75 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: from Chloe. I think there's definitely strategy involved with this, 76 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: and I have noticed that she's been jumping on her 77 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: Instagram story a lot more and talking directly to the camera. 78 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: It's a really great way to connect with people, and 79 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: I think people also really enjoy seeing the struggle involved 80 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: in business. 81 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 6: Yeah. 82 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: I've seen so many tips. 83 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: Lately about Instagram business accounts and how people don't really 84 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: want to follow your business account. They want to follow 85 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: the creator and the CEO of that business and see 86 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: how you've grown it and your struggles along the way. 87 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: I totally agree, and for a brand like Chloe's, she 88 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: has had great success with it, but she did face 89 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: adversity during the pandemic when her own personal brand was 90 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: under a lot of criticism because she was supporting the 91 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: anti VAXX movement. Then that trickled down to ZEP so 92 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: people were on TikTok burning their ZEP active where they 93 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: were throwing it in the bin. It's also an incredibly 94 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: oversaturated market. Now. When she first started, she was at 95 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: the top of her game in being one of those 96 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: influences in Australia that was very sought after and highly 97 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: thought of. But as you said, Kate, her reputation has 98 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: taken quite a battering and it became embarrassing to wear 99 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: ZEP active war. 100 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. 101 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: Well I never see anyone wearing ZEP anymore. Yeah, there 102 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: was a time when a lot of people were wearing it. 103 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: I wondered in terms of this person that she reached 104 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: out to, do you guys think it could have been 105 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: Matilda Murray or Don Robertson from Stacks because they jumped 106 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: to mine immediately because they work with a lot of 107 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: influencers and they have had huge success recently. Plus, Chloe 108 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: is friends with Steph klas Smith, who recently did a 109 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: collaboration with Stax. Yeah, I definitely think you're on the 110 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: money there. I wonder whether we will be seeing a 111 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: Stax and ZEP collaboration anytime soon, because it would be 112 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: a very clever way to get Chloe to connect with 113 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: a new audience. But Stas haven't been afraid to work 114 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: with Keeper Cleaner, so as I mentioned, Steph kles Smith 115 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: has been working with them, but it's actually her company 116 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: that did a collaboration with Stax. They probably see mehre 117 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: in working with people that are in a similar industry. 118 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: You know, Chloe's got her own audience. They have their 119 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: own audience. They do a lot of influencer collaborations, so 120 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: I could see it happening. I do love getting this 121 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: really pervy look into someone else's business because it's so 122 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: easy from the outside to think, Wow, this must just 123 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: be going really well and she must just sell out 124 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: all of her drops. But it's clear that there's more 125 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: going on in the background. And I really do like 126 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: the direction that Chloe's content seems to be moving in. 127 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: I like that she's being. 128 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: Actually direct with her audience and we're getting more of 129 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: a personal look into what's going on in her life, 130 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: because generally it's just been a few pretty shots of 131 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: the beach and a few quotes she's been shared. Well, 132 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: she's got to be giving her audience something because previously, 133 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: when she was huge on YouTube, she was actually sharing 134 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: a lot of insight into her personal life, and she's 135 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: obviously made the decision that she doesn't want to share 136 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: as much anymore. It's kind of weird to see her 137 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: talking to the camera though, because someone like Shiny Grimman, 138 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: who was her old best friend, she is just a 139 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: natural addit. But for me, it doesn't seem to come 140 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: as naturally to Chloe. It almost seems to be she's 141 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: been forced to be on Yeah, it felt like she 142 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: was reading a script because she also did give another 143 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: point of advice, which was to listen to audio books. 144 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 6: This is what's been going on for the past twenty 145 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 6: four hours. SNDI Clinton accidentally linked o upcoming product launch 146 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 6: and it got so out of control that even the 147 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 6: influencer update pages started posting about it. 148 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: There's currently a skincare war playing out on TikTok involving 149 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: Australia's most popular creators. 150 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 5: Now. 151 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: The main players are Cat Clark, Anna Paul and Indy Clinton. 152 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: As we discussed on Tuesday's episode, Cat Clark launched her 153 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: skincare brand Collade, in an unorthodox way last week, sharing 154 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: a video of herself crying at the news. Anna Paul 155 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: had pipped her at the post and launched her skincare 156 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: brand first. Now. Anna Paul was nothing but supportive and 157 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: it is clear that her brand is absolutely booming At 158 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: the moment. She appeared at a Sydney pop up stall 159 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: and it was absolutely packed. She'd only put out a 160 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: little Instagram story hinting that she might be there that 161 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: was crazy. I did love how Anna and Adas were 162 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: both wearing black and glasses and strutting down the mall. 163 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,679 Speaker 2: The next player is Indy Clinton. 164 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: Now she accidentally leaked tbh's Skincare's unreleased product on Sunday night. 165 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: Okay, what happened there? 166 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: So, in her usual chaotic style, Indy shared a daily 167 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: vlog style video of the aftermath of her going to 168 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift concert. So she appeared on camera still 169 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: wearing her makeup from the night before and explained she'd 170 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: fallen asleep in it. She then frantically splashed water on 171 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: her face, and she spoke about her experience at the 172 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: concert and then said this, asked me how I. 173 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 6: Went to the bathroom at one point? Oh, this is 174 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 6: really cool. 175 00:07:54,480 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: TVH Skincare, No scrubs and a Smiths. Later that day, 176 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: Indy shared a screenshot of a DM she received from 177 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: TBH Skincare's Instagram account, which read, oh my god, Indy, 178 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: we hadn't launched this product yet. Obsessed though, hope you 179 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: had the best night at Taylor and Indy caption the 180 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: screenshot note to futureself, don't post when you're hungover. 181 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: It would have been awful. For Indy. She's clearly exhausted. 182 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: Then you get this message popping up basically saying you 183 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: fucked up this whole brand's launch. I can just imagine 184 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: the feeling of your stomach dropping when this message hit 185 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: your DMS. Now, TBH Skincare's marketing team really has to 186 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: be applauded because they have turned the product leak into 187 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: their most successful product launch. So they have really utilized 188 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: the TikTok hype to the fullest. They've posted multiple videos 189 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: about the leak. I think my favorite had to be 190 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: when the marketing manager called the TBH found at rachel 191 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: While to break the news of Indy's leak. 192 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: Let's throw it a little bit of that. 193 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 6: Oh my god, No, why calling first timing me on 194 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 6: a Sunday. 195 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 4: Have we seen Indy Clinton's post that she just made what? 196 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 6: No, she's Indy Clinton. 197 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Indy Clinton, she's got the new product in it? 198 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: No? 199 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: Wait really yeah, I can't. 200 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 201 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 3: Like in the first like ten seconds of the video, I. 202 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: Was a bit skeptical when I heard that they'd filmed 203 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: her reaction and this phone call. But you can really 204 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: hear in the audio that she is rattled by this. 205 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: Her voice was very shaky. 206 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: She did seem shaken up, but it really did surprise 207 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: me that their first reaction was to film this phone call. Obviously, 208 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: the marketing manager really has her finger on the pulse 209 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: about what content goes off on TikTok, because there is 210 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: another brand that I've seen in this space that does 211 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: similar things. So but again, I always feel like it 212 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: seems a bit set up because I've worked in marketing 213 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: and social media before, and I've dealt with a lot 214 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: of internal dramas, and I can't imagine propping my phone 215 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: up and recording it because what I would have recorded 216 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have been appropriate to put onto TikTok. Yeah, 217 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: it was lucky her reaction was quite pc and that 218 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: there weren't any f words being dropped. If she knew 219 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: she was being filmed, it was hard to tell in 220 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: the vision if you could tell that the phone had 221 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: been propped up to record her reaction. It was quite 222 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: funny because they also captured the emergency meeting that took place, 223 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: and there was one male staff member who asked, who 224 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: is Indy Clinton. 225 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: Let's road the clip. 226 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 6: So she won TikToker of the Year. Yeah, Yeah, she's 227 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 6: got three kids. She's in Sydney. Yes, this is her 228 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 6: at Taylor Swift Run. 229 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: In this meeting, they also had Indy on the big 230 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: screen and they were playing. 231 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: The faux pa. 232 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: It was just so funny how it was like being 233 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: analyzed in depth. Can you imagine watching this review t 234 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: She clearly was embarrassed because she ended up writing on 235 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: one of tbh's videos, I will never live this down. 236 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: I feel so bad still, but thank you for being 237 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: legends about it now. 238 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: It is clear that. 239 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: This accident was a blessing in disguise, because there are 240 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: so many comments on tbh's TikTok saying that this is 241 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: the best thing that could ever have happened to the 242 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: brand because they wouldn't have known about them otherwise. From 243 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: a PR perspective, I think that they have handled the 244 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: situation really well, because some brands might have freaked out 245 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: and asked Indy to instantly remove the content, which would 246 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: have then lost them some traction and also perhaps ruined 247 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: their relationship with Indy going forward. Yeah. Well, TBH made 248 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: the decision to actually bring their launch forward a week 249 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: and put the product on sale at five pm on Monday, 250 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: and interestingly, it was the exact same launch time as 251 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: Cat Clark's new brand, Collade. 252 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 2: Oh can she copper break here? 253 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 5: No? 254 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: But I mean, well, for tbh, this was another stroke 255 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: of marketing genius because people were commenting, oh, probably not 256 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: a smart idea to launch when Calade is and the 257 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: founder Rachel Wilde. She addressed the comment directly on TikTok, 258 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: saying that they had no that Cat's skincare brand was 259 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: launching today and it only brought the date forward due 260 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: to the online demand. 261 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: Let's throw to what she. 262 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 6: Said, and I just want to stop all of this 263 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 6: chatter right now because I'm such a big believer in 264 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 6: the fact that there is room for everyone in this world, 265 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 6: and we are not about to start, you know, spreading 266 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 6: negativity around another amazing female founder skincare brand. We are 267 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 6: okay to be launching at the same time as them. 268 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 6: It is possible for someone to jump online to two 269 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 6: sites and shop simultaneously, So it's okay, everyone, It's okay. 270 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 6: We hope that Calade's launch goes amazingly and that it's everything. 271 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 2: That they dreamed it to be. 272 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 6: And we're still so excited for our Jelly Clint's launch, 273 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 6: So it's all good. 274 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 4: Guys. 275 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: Again another fantastic move because this was in complete contrast 276 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: to Cat Clark's initial announcement. So in that announcement, as 277 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, she cried because Anna Paul had launched 278 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: a skincare brand that was in competition with her. I 279 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: do think the timing was very clever because there has 280 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: been backlash directed at cat Clark over the way that 281 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: she decided to launch her new skincare brand, So it 282 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: was very much in the zeitgeist at the moment. 283 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: Montektok, all of the kids were talking about it. 284 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: This whole thing just shows the selling power these big 285 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: Australian TikTokers have, whether the leak was genuine or not, 286 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: because I know some people think it was this whole 287 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: orchestrated marketing campaign. The promotion resulted in the most traffic 288 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: TBH Skincare has received for a launch ever. So in 289 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours post Indies video, TBH Skincares 290 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: TikTok received one point eight million views and eighty one 291 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: thousand profile views. As for cat Clark, she revealed that 292 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: on the launch day her website had over twenty thousand 293 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: people on it and they sold out of their skincare 294 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: PACs within four minutes. Her website also says all the 295 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: products are sold out except for her body moisturizer. 296 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 3: One thing I can stop thinking about is called the 297 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 3: deido theory. I learned about this and now I see 298 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 3: everything a little bit differently. 299 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: The Dorito TikTok theory is currently gaining traction on TikTok 300 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: TikTok has Celeste Aria spoke about the theory in a 301 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: video that now has one point five million views. 302 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 2: Let's write to some of what she said. 303 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: The idea is that only experiences that aren't truly satisfying 304 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: are maximally addictive. So imagine eating dorito's. When you eat 305 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: a dorito and finish your bite, you're not fully satisfied. 306 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: It's not the same as eating a steak or eating 307 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 3: a really seas eating food that's high in protein and 308 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: that after your bite you really feel sort of that 309 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: fullness and that warmth of satisfaction. Eating potato chips is 310 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 3: addictive because the peak of the experience is kind of 311 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 3: when you're tasting it and not after. There's kind of 312 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: nothing that exists actually once the experience is done, and 313 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: the experience itself is not satisfying in the end. It's 314 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: kind of the moment of having is the satisfying. 315 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: Part that is so true about derated. 316 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: You have such a high when you're eating them. I 317 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: could go through a. 318 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: Whole bag and not feel full at all and be 319 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: sitting on the couch thinking fuck, I should have left 320 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: some for my partner. 321 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, or that you want dinner still. 322 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 4: Well. 323 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: Lots of people have looked into why they're so addictive, 324 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: and I think it's the mix of sugar and also salt. 325 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: Apparently that makes you want to go back for war. 326 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: There's also never many in the packet, Like you open 327 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: have a packet of air, and most of it's air, 328 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: Like you take one hand, and that's why half the 329 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: packet gone. This is going to cause a bit of debate. 330 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: Favorite color bag of Doritos it has to be red. Yeah, 331 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: I think bread because I think yellow, and that's such 332 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: an unpopular opinion. I don't think I would ever reach 333 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: for the yellow bag. I think that's sort of like, oh, 334 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: they're both good. It's one that you'd. 335 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: Only get if the others weren't available. The red ones 336 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: are too much. That too much. 337 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: Think if you're having a dorito by itself, you would 338 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: go with the red, but if you're making nacho's, I 339 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: think you would go with orange or green. 340 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: True or yellow is a good point. 341 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: Oh, hang on, isn't the orange ones really spicy? There 342 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: is an orange one that you see at the shops 343 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: as much. Anyway, we're getting off track because this whole 344 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: theory is now being put into the context of relationships, 345 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: and I think it is so true. So if you 346 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: think about your past relationships, so when I look back, 347 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is so true because I've had these 348 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: relationships where you get a little bit of a dopamine 349 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: hit when maybe you get a text back or you 350 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: go on a date, but it never ends up being 351 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: a satisfying relationship. It's what of reminds me of back 352 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: in the day, when. 353 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: It'd be the best. 354 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: Feeling in the world to finally hear back from a 355 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: guy and to get that text message, and that would 356 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: be that little dopa mean hit. 357 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: But then you'd file one back. 358 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: Immediately and then get nothing. Yeah, it was no longer satisfying. 359 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people are actually applying this theory to 360 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: their addiction to TikTok, so they're saying that essentially, when 361 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: you scroll, you get a dopamine hit. However, you never 362 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: feel satisfied after scrolling on TikTok for hours and hours. 363 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: You always are like, fuck, I could have been doing 364 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: something so much better with my time. 365 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 5: Although I did lose weight in my first trimester, which 366 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 5: is really random because I was probably eating. 367 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: Way more but not drinking. 368 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 5: Alcohol, which I would say would be a big crazy 369 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 5: as to why. 370 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: I lost weight. Perth influencer m Davies has sparked debate 371 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: about bounce back culture after admitting she'll do anything she 372 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: can to return to her pre pregnancy body ahead of 373 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: her wedding next year now. She made the stark admission 374 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: in a TikTok video talking about her first trimesters symptoms. 375 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: Here's a snippet of what she said. 376 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 5: I do really really plan on working out throughout my 377 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 5: whole pregnancy, especially weights, because I have I know that 378 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 5: I have really good muscle memory. But like, I want 379 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 5: to fucking bounce back really fucking quick if I feel okay. 380 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: If I don't feel okay, then I'm not going to. 381 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: It's a lot to get your head around because it 382 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: was only recently that she announced her pregnancy and it 383 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: really did shock people because because she has been so 384 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: immersed in the world of webtk. So she is getting married, 385 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: as you said, Sophie, early next year, and this really 386 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: took people by surprise also because she's struggled with PCOS 387 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: for a number of years. 388 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 389 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: She did also point out in a recent vlog that 390 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: she's really careful when it comes to contraception and confirmed 391 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: that this pregnancy wasn't planned. 392 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: So this would be. 393 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: Very difficult for m particularly because she has already locked 394 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: in her wedding dress. Yeah, she will be six months 395 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: postpartum on her wedding date, so she's set to give 396 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: birth in August, and her wedding is planned for February 397 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. And she did touch on this during 398 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: her recent YouTube video which is entitled I'm Pregnant, and 399 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: she went into more detail about her fitness goals post birth. 400 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 401 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 5: I obviously I am still getting married in February, so once 402 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 5: I give birth to this baby, the web tread will 403 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 5: be officially on dot com. I'm actually really excited for 404 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 5: that because I haven't really given myself a fitness goal 405 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 5: in such a long time. And yeah, I'm just I'm 406 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 5: I'm like, really excited to see what my body's hable of. 407 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: It was really jarring to hear the term web tread 408 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: being you so flippantly like this, also juxtapositioning it with 409 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: her saying she's really excited to see what her body 410 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: is capable of in terms of supposedly bouncing back. I 411 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: would have thought you'd be more interested to see what 412 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: your body is capable of in terms of actually producing 413 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: a child, Like that's the actual, real, amazing thing that 414 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: your body's doing. It was very strange, and as you said, 415 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: the term web tread, I thought that was a thing 416 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: of the past. I mean, we've heard Steph Claire Smith 417 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: recently talk about how she hates it, and so many 418 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: influencers have been rejecting this notion of web tread. I 419 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: remember Olivia Rodgers was interviewed about it and she was saying, 420 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: why do I have to wed tread for my wedding? Yeah, 421 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: but do you think in reality, when girls get together 422 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: and they're having a wedding, they do talk about web 423 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: shred behind the scenes. I mean, it's not something that 424 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: people are so much wanting to publicize on social media. 425 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 426 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: I think you're right, Amy, I mean my wedding is 427 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: in a week, and there is a lot of pressure 428 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: on looking like your best self. And that's not necessarily 429 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: your fault. It's society's fault for putting that pressure on women. 430 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: And I do think that a lot of women talk 431 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: about it behind closed doors, but I think what's particularly 432 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: jarring is seeing someone with a public platform putting it 433 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: out there and outlining. 434 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: What she's doing. 435 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: It also didn't sit right with me because in this 436 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: vlog she also went into detail about how she had 437 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: actually lost weight in her first trimester, which she put 438 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: down to not being able to drink alcohol. And while 439 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: that might be interesting on a personal level, I don't 440 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: think it was helpful for anyone because it almost came 441 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: across as a bit of a flex that she lost 442 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: weight whilst being pregnant. It's not really new because there 443 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: are a lot of women who end up losing weight 444 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: during their first trimester because they can't eat anything, they 445 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: can't keep any thing down. Well, she has been suffering 446 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: with nausea. I don't know if she's been vomiting as such, 447 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: but she said, if anything, she's been eating more food, 448 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: so that's why she was quite confused. I just didn't 449 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: think it was worth mentioning. No, it definitely wasn't worth mentioning. 450 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: I think when it comes to female bodies, particularly around 451 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: pregnancy and postpartum, it's a very sensitive topic. And a 452 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: lot of people on her Instagram when we posted about this, 453 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: we like, oh, it's her body. 454 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 2: She can decide what. 455 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: She does and exactly right. If she wants to work 456 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: out during a pregnancy and after, that is her own prerogative. 457 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: But I don't think she should be sharing that messaging 458 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: on her platform because for someone who is pregnant, it 459 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: made me feel like shit because I haven't exercised during 460 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: my pregnancy other than walks. I just don't even know 461 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: how people can. I mean, I haven't even been feeling ill, 462 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like, how do people manage to stay fit 463 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: throughout their whole pregnancy. I was really fascinated to hear 464 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: people's responses in terms of their opinion about working out 465 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: during pregnancy, because there are a lot of cases where 466 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: it can be good for women in terms of your 467 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: health and recovery, and it can actually lead to you 468 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: having a good birth. But I do think where it's 469 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: unhelpful is to say that you are planning on working 470 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: out during your pregnancy so that you can bounce back 471 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: and appear as though you've never had a child, because 472 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: it's really dangerous to perpetuate this idea that women must 473 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: immediately after birth raise any sort of evidence of motherhood. 474 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: And I just think it's really unhelpful for women who 475 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: were seeing this online. 476 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly because it's obvious that m. 477 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: Dave's motivation is an aesthetic one, and it does make 478 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: women who don't, in quotations bounce back feel like they're failing, because, 479 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: you know, once you've had a baby, I'm sure a 480 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: lot of women aren't really focused on. 481 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: What they aesthetically look like. 482 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: There would be so many other things to be focusing on, 483 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: like looking after your baby, looking after your mental health, 484 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: recovering from your pregnancy. And I agree with that, but 485 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: I also do think in reality, women are going to 486 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: be a little bit focused on what they look like 487 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: because their body has changed so much and you'd be 488 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: going through so many emotions, your whole life has. 489 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: But she hasn't even had the baby. 490 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: She's literally fifteen weeks pregnant, and she has put out 491 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: there on TikTok that her number one motivation at the 492 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: moment is bouncing back for her wedding. 493 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: She's used the term web tread. Are we back in 494 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: twenty eleven? 495 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: I do think it's quite clear that she's already placing 496 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: this unnecessary pressure on herself to fit into her wedding dress. 497 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: And it is quite hard watching her make all these 498 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: promises while she is in the very early stages of 499 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: her pregnancy, because as a first time parent, I don't 500 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: think you would fully understand what is about to hit you. 501 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: And when most parents give birth, they don't have time 502 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: to even have a shower, let alone kickstart this. 503 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: Huge fitness regime. 504 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so dangerous as well, because your body 505 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: is recovering from birth, so you don't know what your 506 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: limitations are going to be in terms of the whole 507 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: wedding dress and trying to fit into it. It did 508 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: surprise me when it came out that em actually selected 509 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: her wedding dress knowing that she was pregnant. You would 510 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: think it might be something that she would hold off 511 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: on because it seems to be adding extra pressure to 512 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: the situation. I wonder if she did it as a 513 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: bit of motivation and a promise to herself that she 514 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: was going to get back there. I do think Tiffany 515 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: Hall's stance on this topic is so interesting. So she 516 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: is a former trainer from the Biggest Loser. She said 517 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: that we're essentially being told how to fix our bodies 518 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: instead of celebrating the strength and resilience of our bodies. 519 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: That is so true, and again it really resonates with 520 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: me at the moment as I do watch my body 521 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: change and seeing m Davy's video, it did make me 522 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: feel a little bit stressed out because I personally have 523 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: been not trying to think about what my body will 524 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: look like post birth, Like I'm just in the moment 525 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: and trying to enjoy what's happening and get excited for 526 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: my baby. So it does make me feel sad that 527 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: that is. 528 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: Her number one priority. 529 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: I understand that she is an influencer, and you know 530 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: I memorily she's into fashion content, so she probably does 531 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: feel this huge pressure to quote, bounce back and look 532 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: a certain way. But I think as she probably gets 533 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: deeper into her pregnancy and starts seeing her body change 534 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: and starts embracing that a bit more, potentially her views 535 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: could evolve. 536 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: Hopefully. 537 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that is all we have time 538 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: for today. Thank you so much for joining us for 539 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: this episode. 540 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: If you have enjoyed it, could you please. 541 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: Make sure you are subscribed on Apple podcast and also 542 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: Spotify and leave us a five start rating. 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