1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: And it's Friday morning and it is time for the 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Week that was, and a bit of a different line 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: up this morning. We have got the Colps Marie Claire 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: booth be good morning to you. 5 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: Good morning everybody, and good morning everyone out of Parmiston. 6 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 3: Lovely to have you on the show. 7 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: And we have got Kezier Puiic, the Independent member for Goider. 8 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 3: Good morning to. 9 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 4: You, morning, Katie, Morning bush people. 10 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 3: And we've got Kate Warden, the Minister for Territory Families. 11 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 5: Of course, good morning, Katy, and I have to follow 12 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 5: one and say good morning to everybody in Sanderson. 13 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: I'm making his debut on the Week that was. 14 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: This week, we've got Thomas Morgan, the political reporter for 15 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory News. 16 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 6: Good morning to you, morning, Katy, morning everyone. 17 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: Lovely to have you all on the show today. And 18 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: I tell you what, it has been an incredibly busy week. 19 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: It's been an incredibly busy start to the year, I 20 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: think you'd have to say. And unfortunately we learned yesterday 21 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: that another two people have died with COVID nineteen in 22 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. A woman in her sixties who had 23 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: an underlying health issue passed away at URDH on Tuesday, 24 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: and then another woman, also in her sixties with a 25 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: medical condition and died in intensive care on Wednesday. Now 26 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: there were oney one hundred and sixty one new cases 27 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory. Hospitalization rates have decreased. It looks 28 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: as though with one hundred and sixty eight patients in 29 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: hospital down from one hundred and seventy four yesterday. There 30 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: are thirty people receiving oxygen and three patients in ICU, 31 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: and I guess you'd have to say that, however you 32 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: look at it, we certainly are not past the peak 33 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to COVID and we kick the week 34 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: off with amsand expressing some serious concern at the description 35 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: of the COVID nineteen outbreakers being under control. So John 36 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: Patterson from AM SAND had joined us on the show. 37 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: He spoke to all the media and said that the 38 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: COVID outbreak has demonstrated that complacency and overly optimistic assurances 39 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:54,919 Speaker 1: present a real risk of avoidable adverse consequences and really 40 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: pointed to some different areas where we are struggling at 41 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: the moment, particular ularly in our hospitals and particularly with 42 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: things like elective surgery being canceled, and also with some 43 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: of those specialist outpatient outpatient services being canceled as well. 44 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: However you look at it, COVID is having an impact 45 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: in so many different ways right now. 46 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I guess i'll kick off this morning Cuddy. Absolutely, 47 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 5: But that's why we planned very carefully to get the 48 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 5: vaccination right up and all due respect to Paddo, who 49 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 5: I have a lot of respect for in a close 50 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 5: working relationship with. You know, he's representing the most vulnerable 51 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 5: of territories. That's why we talked about all of that 52 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 5: suite of measures. It's not just about one thing. There's 53 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 5: a range of actions that we as a community individuals 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 5: can continue to do and be vigilant about. We just 55 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 5: had a chat before we all walked in here about 56 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 5: how many people we know that have had COVID. But 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 5: I think when you look at the statistics particularly, and 58 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 5: it's really sad that anybody loses their lives at all. 59 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 5: I say that, you know, right up front, the statistics 60 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 5: around the loss of lives in the Northern Territory is 61 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 5: actually significantly lower proportionally than anywhere else. And I think 62 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 5: that's a testament to the fact we could not. You know, 63 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 5: we spent all that time keeping COVID out for a reason, 64 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 5: because we needed to get ourselves ready. We need to 65 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 5: make sure that enough people were vaccinated as possible, because 66 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 5: we know vaccination doesn't stop you getting COVID, but it 67 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 5: actually stops you know, or reduces the risk of serious 68 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 5: COVID within people. And I just want to remind people 69 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 5: about long COVID. I don't think I think we've sort 70 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 5: of walked away from not walked away, but nobody's really 71 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 5: talking about long COVID. But that can be you know, 72 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 5: young people particularly can get long COVID, which will have 73 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 5: an impact going into the future. So really reducing the 74 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 5: severity of COVID with what we were doing, we did 75 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 5: that and I think that, you know, John does have 76 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 5: a position to keep advocating. I love the fact that 77 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 5: he advocates. He is a great voice for the Peak 78 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 5: organizations and for Indigenous people like the work costs, and 79 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 5: I think. 80 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: He hit the nail on the head for a lot 81 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: of people though earlier this week, because it's not just 82 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, people aren't just concerned about COVID at this point. 83 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: It's now sort of moving on to the fact that 84 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: they're very worried about not being able to have their 85 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: elective surgeries, with their elective surgery obviously either canceled or 86 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: being paused. I've dealt with the issue on the show 87 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: this week as well, about visitors not being able to 88 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: go up to the hospital to see loved ones who 89 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: are incredibly unwell, and then those specialist outpatient services. These 90 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: types of things are going to have an impact longer 91 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: term as well, and trying to catch up then on 92 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: the likes of elective surgery is. 93 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 3: Going to be a really tough touch task. 94 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 7: And Katie, I think what we've got to be very 95 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 7: clear about elective surgery. People think it's because it uses 96 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 7: that word elective somehow you elect to have surgery. 97 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 4: It's not. 98 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 7: It's about people who need surgery. 99 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 4: They've got. 100 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 7: Disability in their limbs, they've got pain, they've got suffering, 101 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 7: whether it be knees or hips or whatever else, things 102 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 7: that need to be replaced as you get older, or 103 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 7: things that need to be removed that you know are 104 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 7: not life threatening, but they are causing hurt and harm 105 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 7: and disability to a lot of people. So correct me 106 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 7: if I'm wrong. But the decision to cancel elective surgery 107 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 7: is usually the medical people do that, not government, not ministers. 108 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 7: So they're doing that because clearly they have to balance 109 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 7: the priorities at their hospital in regards to care. But 110 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 7: like you said, it's still not good for the people 111 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 7: who have been sometimes particularly in the public system, they've 112 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 7: been waiting two years for a hit replacement or knee 113 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 7: replacement or whatever, and then to keep waiting that then 114 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 7: puts them into a vulnerable position like they might trip 115 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 7: it home and you have even more serious injury. So 116 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 7: you know, I don't know what the answer is, but 117 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 7: you're right, it's going to have a legacy that we 118 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 7: haven't really thought about much. 119 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 4: I don't think Katie. 120 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 2: The Gunner government's had two years, more than two years 121 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: now to plan for this. So it's unbelievable that it's 122 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 2: such a shock to the government that these problems are happening. 123 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it's the inaction and failures of that our 124 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: holcism is struggling because it's COVID outbreak. I mean, you 125 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: only have to look back to the numerous failings of 126 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 2: the government such as the bungled remote vaccine rollout and 127 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: Kate's laughing, but this is really serious. 128 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 3: This is despite all. 129 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: I've got a list territories to know this information. You know, 130 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: we had the bungled remote vaccine roll out in the 131 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: communities of four code yellows. I mean, what is the 132 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: difference between cancelations of elective surgery for weeks on end 133 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: and code yellows? Like, what does that actually mean? The 134 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: closure of multiple remote health clinics. And I wonder John 135 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: Patterson's upset when his clinics are being closed everywhere. We 136 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: have a health minister who doesn't even know her own 137 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 2: staff shortages. Remember that a few weeks back, the Chief 138 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: Minister who just rants. He's hypocritical, he's divisive and unhelpful. 139 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: And look, I suppose you know at the end of 140 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: the day, for me, where I'm hearing it is on 141 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: the phone lines. 142 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 4: Tom. 143 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: I know that you certainly have had people get in 144 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: contact with you at the end news as well about 145 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: some of those different issues that they've got. 146 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: I think you had a story earlier in. 147 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: The week about somebody's elective surgery had been canceled for 148 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: an extended period. 149 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: It's a worry for a lot of people. 150 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 6: Right now, and there's an issue as well that they're 151 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 6: already long wait time reluctive surgery before COVID, before December, 152 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 6: when we started to see cases in the territory. I 153 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 6: was doing stories last year about the annual report that 154 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 6: Anti Health put out where they were missing their deadlines 155 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 6: for you know, surgeries that had to be completed within 156 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 6: thirty days. They were doing, you know, maybe up to 157 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 6: two months after surgeries it had to be done within 158 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 6: a year. Wait time was two to three years. So 159 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 6: this was before we started to see a large number 160 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 6: of cases of COVID in our hospital system, and that's 161 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 6: just been completely compounded. A lot of people now are 162 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 6: going to be waiting even longer because of this blanket 163 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 6: ban on elective search. 164 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 5: So my understanding is though that I mean obviously sought 165 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 5: some briefes, not I'm not the Health minister, sort some 166 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 5: advice around it, because nobody, you know, I don't think 167 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 5: anybody in this room wants anybody waiting for longer than 168 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 5: they have to. We need to get through. I think 169 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 5: staff shortages across Australia in the nursing and health area. 170 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 5: People are being poach left, right and center, particularly through COVID. 171 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 5: But my understanding is now they've got some they have plans. 172 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 5: I refute that we had plans. These are what you're 173 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 5: seeing now are plans coming out around the tho'ts that 174 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 5: were put in place and the things that you'll see 175 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 5: happen once. You know, back in twenty twenty, we saw 176 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 5: the Comwealth government stop elective surgery across Australia as well. 177 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 5: So it's not unique. And as Kezier did rightly point out, 178 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 5: it's the health professionals calling this And I'm not going 179 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 5: to second guess a health professional, but I believe that 180 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 5: there's planning for when you know, elective surgery can come back, 181 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 5: that they'll open additional theaters to really ramp it up 182 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 5: to get as much of that backlog through. So I 183 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 5: accept that, and I mean my heart goes out to 184 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 5: anybody waiting. It's nothing worse waiting for shoulder issues for 185 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 5: myself for a long time, lucky enough at that point 186 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 5: to then be able to have the option to go private. 187 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 5: But it's for those people waiting, you know, obviously we 188 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 5: feel for them. There is a lot of compassion around 189 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 5: that those decisions aren't taken lightly, and I. 190 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: Do think that that is going to be the next 191 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: step here, is it Some of these underlying health conditions 192 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: that people have got some of these surgeries that they're 193 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: having to wait for. If there isn't a ramping up 194 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: once this peak passes, and if we then don't have 195 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: that workforce to be able to get some of these 196 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: elective surgeries and and you know, to get those different 197 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: outpatient services and things like that back underway, I wonder, 198 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: you know how much greater the impact then is going 199 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: to be on our health system longer term, as people 200 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: wait for that treatment and as they unfortunately get sicker 201 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: while they wait. 202 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 2: O Katie. 203 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 5: We've got obviously an escalation of staff numbers for the 204 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 5: COVID response, so obviously as those numbers come down, you'll 205 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 5: need less people there. And it's my understanding that there 206 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 5: is planning well ahead now about getting onto that backlog. 207 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 5: They're talking about opening theaters out in Palmerston to make 208 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 5: sure that we can attend to that as quickly as possible. 209 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 5: You know, health professionals don't want people waiting for time. 210 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: They don't, but I do think that in some ways 211 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: as well. You know, our health professionals. Yes, it is 212 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: obviously their decision the operational side of things inside the hospital, 213 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: but they are very much bound as well at the 214 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: moment by different decisions that are being made by the 215 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: Chief Health Officer, so I think that we certainly have 216 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: to put that on the table as well. And I 217 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: know that the COLP yesterday called for greater transparency from 218 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: the government about the state of our public health emergency 219 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: well introducing a bill next week in Parliament to ensure 220 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: regular reporting from the Chief Health Officer to Territorians through Parliament. 221 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: Marie Claire, why does the CLP think that this needs 222 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: to happen. 223 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: So, Katie. Before March twenty twenty, which was the start 224 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: of the global pandemic, there was an emergency declaration that 225 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: lasted only five days and only to be extended five 226 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: days at a time. So then in the side of 227 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: the pandemic, they went to Parliament and they changed that 228 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: so that it was then ninety days, and it was 229 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: all about making sure that we could be really swift 230 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: moving in the pandemic. What has happened now is this 231 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: pandemic has gone on for more than two years and 232 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: we have a Chief Health so that only comes out 233 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: sometimes and that information is confusing. The government come out 234 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: and talking in a press conference about all these different 235 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: things we have to do, but we don't have the 236 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: information from the health departments to be able to back 237 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: up those informations to be able to give territorians confidence. 238 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: So what do you reckon they should be doing? How 239 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: should this work? 240 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 2: So the change needs to be that a report should 241 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: be tabled in Parliament ninety days ninety days at a time, 242 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: because the emergency Health Measures is extended by ninety days 243 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: at a time. So if that report can come to Parliament, 244 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: it means it can be debated. It means that Territorians 245 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: have a really good understanding of what's going on and 246 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: that it's not going to just go on for years 247 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: and years and years with no end in sight and 248 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: no information to back up why those emergency powers keep 249 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: being extended. 250 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: Tom, what do you think about this? 251 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: I know that obviously you're going to be covering politics 252 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: very extensively. I would suspect next week. What do you 253 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: think about this bill that they want to introduce. 254 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 6: Well, I was pretty surprised that there had been no 255 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 6: reports that that was a feature of the legislation that 256 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 6: you It was only I think three months after the 257 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 6: State of Emergency Declaration finished that the report was released 258 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 6: at all. Whereas you know we've had a state of 259 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 6: emergency now for two years, you'd surely think that it 260 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 6: have to be some sort of review into it. And 261 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 6: I imagine that the report when it comes out after 262 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 6: two years of a pandemic declaration will be huge and 263 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 6: it will be a lot to digest. 264 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to call it early and say that I 265 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: think they're going to say that it can't happen because 266 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: the Chief Health Officer is too busy and that the 267 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: health our health you know, sector are too busy. But 268 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: I don't think that that's going to be acceptable for 269 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: a lot of power. 270 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: There are six acting chief health goes on. 271 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 7: Even when you have a person that's very busy, if 272 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 7: there's a reporting requirement, doesn't matter what the job is, 273 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 7: then that should be done. The other thing I'd be 274 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 7: interested in to know in regards to this report is 275 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 7: what's actually come from the medical people for recommendation and 276 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 7: what has been actually policy from the government. 277 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: And that's the bit we don't know it Kesier. 278 00:12:59,000 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 4: I'm in a decision. 279 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 7: Let's say the Chief Minister comes out and says X 280 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 7: y Z, is that based on something that Chief Health 281 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 7: Officer has recommended or the Department from Health or is 282 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 7: it a policy position? 283 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 4: And that's what we don't know. 284 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 7: And so I've actually written to the Chief Minister in 285 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 7: regards to something about a week ago now trying to 286 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 7: find out what was actually based on a chose direction 287 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 7: and what was based on labor government policy direction. 288 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 6: I would be interested in finding out who recommended the 289 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 6: outdoor mask mandate that was. 290 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: Pretty health for all. 291 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 5: Well, you you would, you would actually know that that's 292 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 5: that's a Sempsey decision. And I think that there are 293 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 5: rules in place and once the public emergency does end, 294 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 5: there will be a full report within three months. That's 295 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 5: what the legislation says. 296 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 3: I'm they could take forever, like who's going to help. 297 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 5: We will come to the end of this pandemic statement. Yeah, 298 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 5: but you guys have sat in here. I've sat right 299 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 5: next to Tom where Tom was sitting right now. Your 300 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 5: leader sat there and said that she would have opened 301 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 5: the doors where nobody in the territory was basically vaccine. 302 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 5: So we know what your decision making is. It's actually 303 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 5: in this studio. 304 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 3: But let's talk about right now. Every single is. 305 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: Cherry picked and where information is cherry picked, and the 306 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: Chief Minister determines exactly what information does and does not 307 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: I don't and yesterday, for example, we didn't get that 308 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: until three o'clock in the afternoon. 309 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: Despite the. 310 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 5: Moving, every single day is different. Nobody has been in 311 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 5: a pandemic like this before. And those decisions are made 312 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 5: by a group of people with the Territory Controller along 313 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 5: with our Chief Health Officer, and they have made they 314 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 5: make decisions constantly. I think you have to look back 315 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 5: and see how safe in so many ways the Northern 316 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 5: Territory has been. We've made decisions in the best interest 317 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 5: of territories all the way through, not just gut feelings 318 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 5: and all those so we kept our vaccines for our 319 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 5: most vulnerable. You guys wanted to give them away. 320 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 3: I think this is why it's so important. 321 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: People want to know whether they're political decisions or whether 322 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: they're decisions of the chief every day. 323 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 5: On the Chief Health Officer or somebody that representing for him, 324 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 5: because he's extremely busy. If you think about the quantum 325 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 5: of decisions this group has to make, the quantum of 326 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 5: people everybody in their electorate knows of somebody that's seeking 327 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 5: an exemption or doing those All those decisions are made 328 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 5: by the Chow. He's not going to sit down every 329 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 5: three months and provide a report. 330 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 3: So that the COLP you will get one. 331 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 5: At the end of the pandemic, you will get one, 332 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 5: which could be three months. It is legislated for it 333 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 5: will occur and every single day. I suggest that you 334 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 5: actually wake up Murray Claire, you guys are in opposition. 335 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 5: I just wonder what you do all day listen to 336 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 5: those really important messages every day. I've got people that 337 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 5: do it every day and if it's not on, they 338 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 5: sort of get a bit nervous. They want to hear 339 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 5: those messages. They do them every single day, and I 340 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 5: think they do an exemplary job. 341 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 6: Will I doubt that the show doctor Hegy will be 342 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 6: the one who sits down and writes someone. 343 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 5: And here's the second guess. 344 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 3: But how would you know he'd sign off? 345 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: Surely wet stuff like there is definitely staff there. It's 346 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: not as if you know, he's working on his own 347 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: on absolutely everything that happens. And I do think I 348 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: do think that it's you know, it's not a situation. 349 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: Okay. 350 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: The Seal piece come out and made this announcement and 351 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: said that they're going to introduce this into Parliament next week. 352 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: But I do think that there needs to be a 353 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: bit of an understanding as well that Territorians want to 354 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: know the answer to some of these questions to our 355 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: different industries. Whether you're talking about likes of answer, whether 356 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: you're talking about hospitality, whether you're talking about the disability sector, 357 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: all of them have still got questions right now in 358 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: relation to some of those show directions. There is still 359 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: confusion out there. But when those reports are able to 360 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: actually be compiled, when people get a better understanding of 361 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: why decisions are made and the impacts that some of 362 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: those decisions have had and the impact that it's having 363 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: on our health system. I know staff and I know 364 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: that we're in an emergency situation, but it is also 365 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: about being accountable to Territorians. 366 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: And if territorians if they felt confident that the decisions 367 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 2: being made were for the benefit of themselves because they 368 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: had that information readily available, not cherry peaks, not different 369 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: every single day, then they would have confidence to continue 370 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: along this path and to do the right thing. But 371 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: right now they have so many questions. You're dead right, Katie. 372 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 2: Every one of those sectors that you mentioned are in disarray. 373 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: They're trying to provide their services to their people and 374 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 2: their customers, and they are struggling. 375 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 5: They are not in disarray, and they do get their 376 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 5: questions answered. 377 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 3: They ask questions on. 378 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 5: A regular basis. They come through all our offices. The 379 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 5: opposition have ample opportunity to put red questions in writing, 380 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 5: which I know you do. You have questioned time coming 381 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 5: up next week. Ask all those questions. I dare you, 382 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 5: because you'd actually are just being scurriless, You're actually try 383 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 5: to check up and give the. 384 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: Constant talk quickly. Then will take a quick break. 385 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 7: Katie, Katie this and I've about this before and I'll 386 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 7: continue to speak about it. The communication strategy and the 387 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 7: communication processes from the government to the community are poor. 388 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 7: And we get the Chief Minister saying one thing at 389 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 7: press conferences and that's all very fine. He puts different 390 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 7: things on Facebook and uses that. Now, Facebook is a 391 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 7: good medium, but he is only one medium. Things go 392 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 7: in the newspaper, things go out by email, press releases 393 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 7: go out, all that sort of stuff, but it is 394 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 7: never properly coordinated. Now and accept what both parties are 395 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 7: saying in regards to how they operate and what the 396 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 7: government's doing. And the chief medical officer. But the average 397 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 7: punter out there just wants succinct information that they can understand. 398 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 7: So it's not only getting the communication out in a 399 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 7: good way, it's about putting it out in a style 400 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 7: that the average person can understand. And that's why I 401 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 7: can't speak for the two members. That's why we get 402 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 7: a lot of questions trying to explain to people what 403 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 7: they are required to do. 404 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: Now. 405 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 7: So just just so for ex timme, I'll just give 406 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 7: you an example. The licensed cafe here has to do 407 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 7: a certain thing and show vaccination. 408 00:18:58,920 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: Now that it doesn't. 409 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 4: License cafe here doesn't. 410 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 7: So was that a government decision or was that from 411 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 7: the medical officer's decision maker. I suspect it's not the latter, 412 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 7: but I don't know if it was the former. That 413 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 7: kind of sort of irrational thinking is what is really 414 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 7: confusing people and making it divisive. The other thing is 415 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 7: you know the hotels, all the hotel places that have 416 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 7: to check for the mandated vaccination, and now they're going 417 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 7: to have to check for the third one, and the 418 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 7: third one can't be uploaded because there's a problem with 419 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 7: the app. 420 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: Well, but then you've also got other sectors who don't 421 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: even know exactly what date their mandated staff need to be. 422 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 3: That third years haven't come out, and this is the thing. Sorry, Tom. 423 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 6: Can I just please beg the government to put out 424 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 6: the COVID numbers every day at a consistent early time 425 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 6: in the day, because the numbers are finalized at eight 426 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 6: pm the night before. I've not taken till three pm. 427 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 5: I think, Tom, for my understanding, some of that information 428 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 5: comes through later than the eight pm and they want 429 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 5: to make sure that everybody's getting an accurate number. And 430 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 5: you'll see that there's been some chaine retrospectively because those 431 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 5: late numbers have come through. I understand what you're saying, 432 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 5: but that having something on a set time and having 433 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 5: the same people available on the same time every day 434 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 5: is just not reality. So I think they shift as 435 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 5: much as little as they can under the circumstances, and 436 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 5: they try to do. 437 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: That'sn't an issue for us here in the territory, but 438 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: not in other states to do it at the same time. 439 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 5: Can I just give you an example. I'll just give 440 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 5: you a little example. On days where we sit as cabinet. 441 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 5: What you're asking is for perhaps one of the ministers 442 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 5: to be out to go and do that. 443 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 3: We don't need a prescott. It's just the numbers in. 444 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 6: South Wales put out a tweet every morning at nine 445 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 6: am with how many cases they've had, how many deaths. 446 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 5: I am. I am not the health minister, but I'm 447 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 5: sure she's listening right now because she's home in isolation. 448 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 5: And I'll take that back, very happy to take that back. 449 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 5: I'm not entirely sure of the entire circumstances because I 450 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 5: am not the Healthy Minister. But what I will say 451 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 5: is that those you know, those numbers are worked on 452 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 5: and the schedule isn't always capable of being as tight 453 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 5: as everybody wants it, but it is consistently every day 454 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 5: that you get that information. 455 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: So we are going to have to take a very 456 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: short break. You are listening to Mix one oh four 457 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: point nine three sixty. It is the week that was, 458 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: It is just on nine thirty. It is the week 459 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: that was in the studio this morning. Kate Warden, KEESI, Epuric, 460 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: Thomas Morgan and Marie Claire Boothby and well, an interesting, 461 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: an interesting piece of information that started to flow through yesterday. 462 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: Tom. 463 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: I know that you've reported on this this morning that 464 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: the Speaker of the Northern Territories Legislative Assembly, Niri R. 465 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 3: Kit, has ruled that public galleries. 466 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: Are going to be closed for next week's sittings and 467 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: it's an unprecedented move. She's also bart journalists from sitting 468 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: in the in the dedicated media gallery. 469 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: We know that a notice from the. 470 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: Speaker's office was released on Thursday and said the decision 471 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: was made in light of COVID nineteen outbreaks across the territory. 472 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 3: I know you were pretty surprised when you learned that 473 00:21:58,880 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 3: this was going to happen. 474 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 6: So the statement that's been released is that there'll be 475 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 6: a TV set up in the foyer, of which there 476 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 6: always is. Yes, there always is, but it makes no 477 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 6: sense for me as a journalist when I'm sitting up there. 478 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 6: Oftentimes I'm the only journalist who's sitting up in that 479 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 6: media gallery socially distanced from everyone, to have to then 480 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 6: go downstairs and watch it with twenty other people in 481 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 6: front of a television or fifty. 482 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 7: It's not the first time galeries have been closed the case. 483 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 7: What's thet of reasons as an speaker, as an ex speaker, 484 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 7: sometimes it is for security sometimes there's some real rat 485 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 7: bags going to cause trouble, and you know, sometimes you've 486 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 7: had to remove someone from the galleries. And it happens 487 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 7: elsewhere in our country. But the media gallery in particular, 488 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 7: which is behind the Speaker's chair is huge, and Tom's correct, 489 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 7: it's usually him. Occasionally there might be Channel nine person 490 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 7: or someone else, but you could fit one hundred people 491 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 7: up there. So I'm a bit unclear as to I'd 492 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 7: be interested to get if there was a risk assessment. 493 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 4: Does is it about security? 494 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 7: Is it about the anti vaxxers the speakers concerned about, 495 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 7: or is it just COVID. 496 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 3: In your time? Would you have I mean, if you 497 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 3: were speaker, would you have done? 498 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 7: But I would have asked the staff to ensure that 499 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 7: people had to distance and of course they have to 500 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 7: have their masks on and people go through security and 501 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 7: that security is pretty good. I don't know if people 502 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 7: are fully aware how good our security is. It's exactly 503 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 7: the same, if not better than what you get at 504 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 7: the airport, and the machines are calibrated regularly, as are 505 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 7: the ones at the airport. So I know there's been 506 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 7: events at Parliament House. The speakers had events, the ministers 507 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 7: have had events government events in the hall every couple 508 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 7: of days, probably in the Elsie room or literally wherever 509 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 7: they're doing it. So I'm a bit unclear as to 510 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 7: the rational I'd like to. 511 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: Do you think it's like a close you know, like a. 512 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 4: Media yeah, close off to. 513 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 2: The Katie, I'd like to say that given given the 514 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: track record of they're going to government, you know, this 515 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: is just another step towards closing down territorians being able 516 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: to see what's happening. I mean, this is a government 517 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: that promised open and transparent government and it's done everything 518 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: but that, and this is another step. You know. The 519 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: closing the gallery is one thing if there's a safety issue, 520 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 2: and I know that has happened in the past, but 521 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: then to block out the journalists that this isn't the 522 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: first time journalists have been blocked out from the gunn 523 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 2: of government. 524 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 3: So I'll just well, usually it's just I don't get 525 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 3: responses to question. 526 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, Katie, the broadcast is broadcast live all 527 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 5: the time anyway, but I can't speak for the speaker 528 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 5: because the speaker is independent of government. I do understand, 529 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 5: because I obviously ask some questions about this myselfe that 530 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 5: there is security and health advice that she's been provided. 531 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 3: Tom, I do take your point. 532 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 5: You do press conferences every day, but that's for a 533 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 5: very short amount of time. I can't speak for the 534 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 5: speaker because she is independent, as you would know, Kesier. 535 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 5: She has made those decisions with her seeking her own advice, 536 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 5: and I guess you know, all of us can ask 537 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 5: her those questions next week if that's what we want 538 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 5: to do. But I guess in the press gallery you 539 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 5: would be in there for a much longer amount of 540 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 5: time than you usually would be in press conferences. That's 541 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 5: all I'm you know, I'm not speaking for the speaker 542 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 5: at all. She has obviously made her own decisions around Parliament. 543 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 5: There's a lot of changes around this parliament. We know 544 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 5: people are online themselves, but I think people are going 545 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 5: to be dialing in and on TVs and those sorts 546 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 5: of things, and she's had to think about she's actually 547 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 5: had to be very very agile. I don't think, you know, 548 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 5: no disrespect. Keyser was a good speaker and in there 549 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 5: for a long time and knows the ins and outs. 550 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: But it's more I guess you know, it is the 551 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: concern you know that, like people thinking to themselves will 552 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: hang on a second, why does Parliament need to be 553 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: closed off entirely? It is meant to be, you know, 554 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: a place where the people are able to actually view 555 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: and see exactly what's going on. 556 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 7: When it comes to Parliament. They've been encouraged to gather 557 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 7: in the main hall. Yeah, because why the TV is 558 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 7: always there, which is good. But let's let's assume there's 559 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 7: a lot of people that wanted. 560 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 3: To want to people come in. 561 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, but let's assume there was a lot a problem 562 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 7: gather on the main hall, but not okay to sit gary. 563 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 7: So it's just it's unusual and it's different. 564 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: And I guess Prime call less than one hundred meters 565 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: away is sitting with public invited and COVID in a 566 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: partisan environment. Yet the Legislative Assembly of the Northern Territory 567 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: and have the courage to allow. Why don't the Northern 568 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: Territory Legislative Assembly have the courage to allow something similar? 569 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: This is just another example of government avoiding scrutiny, says 570 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: one listener. 571 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 7: The Supreme Court makes its own decisions clearly, but of 572 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 7: course trials and hearings and court stuff continues to go 573 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 7: on and has to go on. But I think it's 574 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 7: you know, behold it upon the members and don't forget 575 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 7: the Speaker makes decisions on behalf and in the interests 576 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 7: of members and people who come into that building. 577 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 2: Yep. 578 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 7: And it might be that the sea or opposition needs 579 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 7: to ask the question the Speaker a question in regards 580 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 7: to her responsibilities as the as the manager of the precincts. 581 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 6: Well, one point that I want to raise is that 582 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 6: you know, they're apparently a security concerns. I don't know 583 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 6: what security concerns would relate to me being in the 584 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 6: press gallery where you know, I need my own past 585 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 6: to get in there. 586 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 8: About you, Thomas, everything too though, is that even when 587 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 8: the public galleries were closed last year because there were 588 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 8: anti mandate protests out of the front of Parliament, the 589 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 8: media gallery wasn't closed off then. 590 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 6: So what's what's changed now with tomas. 591 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 7: I suggestion to get your newspaper to write to the 592 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 7: speaker directly. 593 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: Well, I reckon that's probably a good idea, and it 594 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: is about you know, the media being able to obviously 595 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: report on issues that are important too. 596 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: Territories. We're going to take a really short break when 597 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 3: we come back. 598 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm very keen to discuss the check in app and 599 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: those international borders opening as well. You are listening to 600 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: Mix one oh four point nine three sixty it is 601 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: the week that was. Well, just making sure I've got 602 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: those microphones turned on. It is twenty minutes away from 603 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: ten o'clock. You are listening to the Week that was. 604 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: Kate Warten, Keesyerpuric, Thomas Morgan at Murray, Claire Boothby in 605 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: the studio with me. Now, a topic that got everybody 606 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: talking earlier in the week was when we'd asked the 607 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: question online should the check in app be scrapped? Now 608 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: the QR code check in app is going to be 609 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: scrapped or scaled back for businesses in Queensland who aren't 610 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: covered under the vaccine mandate. Other businesses such as bars, 611 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: clubs and pubs are still using that for the purpose 612 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: of checking vaccine statuses in Queensland. And I'll tell you what, 613 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: it was a big fat yes from our listeners in 614 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: terms of whether they wanted to keep the check in 615 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: app or get. 616 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 3: Rid of it. I know that a lot of people 617 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: sort of. 618 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: Contacting us saying, you know, it was good at the time, 619 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: when Delta was the strain that we were concerned about 620 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: and we just had a few cases popping up here 621 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: or there. But now we're in a situation where there 622 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: are cases absolutely everywhere. Shouldn't we all just be monitoring 623 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: for symptoms and if we test positive, staying home. 624 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: Katie, I agree with what you're saying. Back in the 625 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: day when we first had those smaller outbreaks, and remember 626 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: the words where that we were going to trace and 627 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: trap the virus, So of course it was helpful at 628 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: that time, But now that we have COVID basically everywhere, 629 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: I guess the question is if the checking app is 630 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: helpful and it's better thing all territories, And of course 631 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: that's one thing, but if it's not, then territories deserve 632 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: to know what considerations are being made by government and 633 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: come be really clear about that and what's going to 634 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 2: be expected, not only for territorians but for the businesses 635 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: who are having to police that check in And if. 636 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 5: I could just contribute, I think I think we're just 637 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 5: looking at it simply as a check in out. 638 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 3: It's one of a number of tools. 639 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 5: I was in somewhere the other day and I used 640 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 5: the checking out and somebody said, can I see your vaccine? 641 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 5: I had turned it around, and of course it's green. 642 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 5: I think that it's helpful for that as well. And 643 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 5: I also know that it's a really gentle reminder for 644 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 5: you know, those read we just had a chat about 645 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 5: the red where it comes up red the way you've 646 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 5: been a reminder to make sure that if you've been 647 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 5: in an exposure site, that you continue to monitor for symptoms. 648 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 5: I like it. I think it's I find it an impost. 649 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 5: Don't get me wrong, I don't. It's you know, it's 650 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 5: a new habit that we're having to form, but I 651 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 5: think that it's a tool that has a broad ranging assistance. 652 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 5: It's not just therefore we've obviously moved past track and trace. 653 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 5: I think it's just that reminder that we need to 654 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 5: keep vigilant. And it certainly reminds me every time I 655 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 5: go in somewhere and I've just recently traveled and they 656 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 5: were a lot more vigilant than we are here and 657 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 5: had somebody in fact at the door saying make sure 658 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 5: you check in? Have you checked in? Could you please? 659 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 5: What do your hands? And so the whole range of 660 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 5: things that are in place, and I think you have 661 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 5: to think of them as part of a suite of 662 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 5: responses to COVID, And for me, I'm very comfortable to 663 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 5: continue with the check and app. It's just been updated. 664 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 5: We can see those red zones and it's that reminded. 665 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: Like for me, I was at a gym sash and 666 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: somebody that I was training with I made that sound. 667 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: I was in a gym section and one of someone 668 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: who I was training with ended up with COVID. A 669 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: couple of hours later, she messaged and said, hey, I've 670 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: got COVID. She was training with us. We knew, like, 671 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: let's say it was on the Wednesday. 672 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 3: It didn't go up on the app until the Friday afternoon, 673 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 3: so you sort of go. Then if you're two days later, 674 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 3: what's the point. 675 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: It tells you that you need to check the symptoms. 676 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: I mean, as a human, if you feel sick, you stay. 677 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 2: That's right, you know if you've got symptoms. So why 678 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: do we need the government to remind us if we've 679 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 2: got symptoms to get tested. 680 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 6: I treated myself to a shopping spree Cas Square over 681 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 6: the weekend and I got a notification and that's great. 682 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 3: It's huge, it is huge. 683 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 6: That's the same with Bunnings or gas. Actually helpful section, just. 684 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 5: That gentle reminder that you do need to be a 685 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 5: bit more vigilant around. I've been one of those people that's, 686 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 5: you know, maybe had a sniffle and still gone to work. 687 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 5: So I think, you know, you really have to be 688 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 5: a bit more vigilant. 689 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 3: Now than we were before. 690 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 5: People are then it's. 691 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 3: A reminder to test. 692 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: So we have a checking out for a reminder for people. 693 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: But it's the businesses you have to shoulder the burden 694 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: of having to check those face fines if they're caught, 695 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: you know, not getting someone to check in. I mean 696 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 2: that's a massive burden on businesses that are already suffering 697 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: and have been for many years now. 698 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a good point. 699 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 6: There was a story in today's pay for actually that 700 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 6: businesses are only today, i believe, now being told that 701 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 6: they're an exposure site. So before today they weren't even 702 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 6: being alerted to the fact that they were being deemed 703 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 6: an exposure site by antihelp. 704 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so then you go like it does sort 705 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: of just make me go. I think we're reaching a 706 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: point now with COVID where it's like, if you have 707 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: symptoms you need to make sure that you. 708 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 3: Get a test and stay home. But look, it's not 709 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 3: the only confusion. 710 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: We know that there is a lot of confusion at 711 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: the moment when it comes to the vaccine status and 712 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: what's considered now to be fully vaccinated, particularly as we 713 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 1: look at opening up those international borders towards the end 714 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: of this month. I know that we are all hoping 715 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: that we'll see some more tourists around the place, certainly 716 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: for our hospitality and tourism industry, that's what we're hoping for. 717 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: But what exactly does define being fully vaxed? And there's 718 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: still a bit of confusion here. I know that, you know, Tom, 719 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: You've got a story today double vaccinated international tourists might 720 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: actually be subject to restrictions or even fourteen days quarantine 721 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: if they fly into the North. 722 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 3: Territory during the dry season. What would be the point 723 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 3: in coming here? 724 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean gonna have sort of had a 725 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 6: press conference earlier this week raised the prospect that the 726 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 6: definition of fully vaccinated may change when the booster mandate 727 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 6: comes into to force for most people, most employees on 728 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 6: I think April twenty second, and in that case, as 729 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 6: soon as you like, you can go through Federal Customs. 730 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 6: You can go through like you know customs, which is 731 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 6: managed by the Australian government. But as soon as you 732 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 6: step foot on Northern Territory soil, you may be barred 733 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 6: from going to hospitality venues or you may require to 734 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 6: actually be going to Howard Springs, which is like it's 735 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 6: just it's well. 736 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: It's more uncertainty as well for those tourism operators because 737 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you're trying to 738 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: get international tourists here to the Northern Territory, if we 739 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what the rule is going to be, 740 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: and if they are going to be able to just 741 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: traveling freely or if they're going to have to do 742 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: fourteen days quarantine, how on earth can we market. 743 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 5: To think, Katie, this a lot of this. You know, 744 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 5: Tom may have been operating on what was yesterday, and 745 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 5: we know this is constantly moving. A National Cabinet met 746 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 5: yesterday and I was listening very carefully to their changes 747 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 5: and definition of fully vaccinated and it's quite clear now 748 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 5: they've come to a position that everybody over sixteen, if 749 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 5: your jee for your booster and you don't have it, 750 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 5: the terminology is over due, so you are fully vaccinated. 751 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 5: If you've had your two you had your second vaccine yesterday, 752 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 5: you're considered fully vaccinated. If you are due for your 753 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 5: booster and you haven't had it, they're no longer using 754 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 5: that terminology. This is National Cabinet, this is in the 755 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 5: Northern Territory. It's very clear, and it does take a 756 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 5: little bit after National Cabinet meets for this information to 757 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 5: go through. And I know that Tom you are saying, 758 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 5: you know you could only go on yesterday's information. So 759 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 5: that's the status we're with today. It will be about 760 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 5: so if you're due for your booster and you choose 761 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 5: I guess to fly into Australia, you haven't had your booster, 762 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 5: you've come with two vaccines, you are over jew. I 763 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 5: think that we would rightly consider about whether what situation 764 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 5: is best here for territorians. But I don't want to 765 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 5: move into a space where you know, we're making things 766 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 5: up today, because that's what we're talking about. But it's 767 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 5: best that we wait for that now to work its 768 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 5: way through and how that will impact people. But I 769 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 5: welcome international travelers. Our tourism sector need them. We just 770 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 5: we have to find a way. You know, the terminology 771 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 5: living with COVID is probably a little bit overused now, 772 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 5: but we do have to find a way to get 773 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 5: back to some normal transactions that keeps territorians safe, but 774 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 5: also you know, invests back into our tourism operators because 775 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 5: they really they have done the heavy lifting, you know, 776 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 5: and absolutely we've helped them as much as we can 777 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 5: as a government, but we need to make sure that 778 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 5: we welcome international travelers back as best we can. 779 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, Kate, and Kate is right on that sense about 780 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 2: the tourism industry. But what we don't want to see, Kate, 781 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 2: is our borders opening internationally and then Michael Gunner coming 782 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 2: out and changing the rules so that they have it's 783 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 2: got to be implied the travelers that come and the 784 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 2: businesses that provide services to them, they need certainty. They 785 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 2: have had a long, terrifying tunnel and they need light 786 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 2: at the end of that. 787 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 4: They need hope, that magic word communication. 788 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 789 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: It's another sector that's spoken to me about some confusion 790 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: around that vaccine status is the mandate on the booster, 791 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: particularly those in those frontline, you know, in those frontline positions. 792 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: So I understand that it's April the end of April 793 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: if you're an everyday territory and is it April twenty 794 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 1: two top. 795 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 6: If you're a worker who's deed so the essential front lines. Yeah, 796 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 6: so people work in age care settings or at the 797 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 6: hospital I believe have to get their booster by March eleventh. Yes, 798 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 6: and it's April twenty second for every other worker who Yeah. 799 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 3: And we've spoken about this, we're actually due to catch up. 800 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: As well after eleven o'clock or after ten o'clock this 801 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: morning too with the disability sector or someone in the 802 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: disability sector, because they there is a bit of confusion 803 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: for some of those operators in terms of it not 804 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: quite lining up with when the initial mandate was. 805 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 5: With the second dose, I think National Cabinet Cabinet has 806 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 5: clarified that yesterday Katie. If they've just had their second dose, 807 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 5: so they're not due for their booster, they are considered 808 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 5: fully vaccinated and that message will take a few days 809 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 5: to get through. The disability sector raised a very good point. Obviously, 810 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 5: I am the Minister for Disabilities. I did and I 811 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 5: have had some intersection with them around it. It's not 812 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 5: just the disability sector. There is the same for hospitality 813 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 5: workers at which point are they considered fully vaccinated? That's 814 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 5: obviously a national issue. It got championed yesterday. They've made 815 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 5: that new ruling about what whether you're considered fully vaccinated 816 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 5: or not. And I would suspect the territory will head 817 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 5: that way. 818 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: When will something like that then go up as a 819 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: chow direction, because that's where it needs to be there 820 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: in black and white then for those different industries. 821 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 5: So this is a confusion he made nationally yesterday. Stempsey 822 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 5: Meat will meet and make that determination, I would suspect 823 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 5: as quickly as possible as they do on a daily basis. 824 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 3: All right, Sorry, Tom. 825 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 6: I just think it would be really good if the 826 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 6: Chief Minister stood up sometime in the next month and 827 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 6: just clarified and laid out a really clear plan roadmap 828 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 6: yes for how tourism will reopen to that. 829 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to take a very short break. You 830 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: are listening to mix ONEOW four point nine three sixty 831 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: is the week that was. Well, it has been an 832 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: interesting week and politically it's been an interesting. 833 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 3: Couple of weeks for the CLP. 834 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: We know that Senator Sam mcmaht this week sat in 835 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: Federal Parliament as an independent after leading, after leaving I 836 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: should say the party. We also obviously had La Finocchiaro 837 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: on the show earlier in the week and we'll really 838 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: had to hose down those those concerns that have been 839 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: raised that the CLP has a problem with women. We 840 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: had messages coming through from some of the women who 841 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: are part of the of the CLP, one in particular, 842 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: who had said that she and other members have personally 843 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: complained of bullying to the CLP management and nothing's been 844 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: done to try and address the bullying. I think we 845 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: all understand that every political party has issues, there is 846 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But for many people they will 847 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: be questioning how after the decimation that the COLP had 848 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: just you know, a few years ago in the Northern 849 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: Territory election before you were in there obviously, Mari Claire, 850 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: that you know how the COLP is in a situation 851 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: again where there seems to be issues internally and that 852 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: in fighting. Like I say, I know every party certainly 853 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 1: has it, but does the party have a problem with women? 854 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 2: No, Katie. I've been a member of the CLP since 855 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen and I've always felt supported and I've never 856 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 2: observed or experienced anything about women being bullied in the party. 857 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: Does the party just have a problem with a rift, 858 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: like you've got one side that you know that wants 859 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: to muck rake and one side who he doesn't, or 860 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: is that what's the. 861 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 7: Go I just think if I can I jump in, 862 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 7: I just I just think it's it's a bit of 863 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 7: a there's a bit of a story there. Clearly Sam 864 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 7: Mant has has issues. And I take it at face 865 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 7: failure that she says there's a problem. She said a problem, 866 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 7: but it's been reported on and you know, and I 867 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,720 Speaker 7: spoke to you about this, Katie. This this is calling 868 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,280 Speaker 7: out of bullying. 869 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 5: You know. 870 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 7: I think we've got to be very clear. And I've 871 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 7: said it before and I'll say it again. 872 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 4: Bullying versus social conflict. Like if the person. 873 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 7: Who rang you in, if they had experienced repetitive type 874 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 7: of behavior, well, yes, that's bullying. But if it's just 875 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 7: a big ship fight over something, well that's just huge 876 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 7: social conflict or meanness or rudeness or aggression. 877 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 3: I guess this as well. It's like the story is 878 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 3: sort of evolved in as well with the. 879 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: Facebook page that was set up Tom and you know, 880 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: and people posting on their time for the party to change. 881 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 3: Think that has been around for a while from. 882 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 2: And any or goingation are going to have robust discussions. 883 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 2: I mean we in Parliament have robust discussions all of 884 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 2: the time. 885 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 3: On a Friday. 886 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 2: That is part of being in an organization and being 887 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 2: passionate about what you believe in what you been. 888 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 5: Going on for a very long time for the CLP 889 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 5: and it doesn't seem to be able to keep its 890 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 5: house in order. And you know, you've had a few 891 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 5: shots at me today, Murray Claire. I'm just sort of 892 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 5: having a moment myself because usually it's us being attacked 893 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 5: in the room. 894 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 7: But you know, you are in government. 895 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 3: Position, I think. 896 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 5: For a reason, and I think you know there's just 897 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,280 Speaker 5: constant chaos going on in the CLP, and of course 898 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 5: you know you expect me to say that this morning, 899 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 5: but it does seem to be lurches from one to 900 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 5: the other and where a woman, particularly as a Minister 901 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 5: for turtary Families, is raising issues where they don't feel safe. 902 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 5: You know, in all my time in Parliament now as 903 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 5: a Minister with domestic violence and family violence, the only 904 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 5: question that's ever been on that topic has been asked 905 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 5: to the Minister for women. That's not me. It's been 906 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 5: asked to the wrong minister, and it's really not being 907 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 5: raised as an issue by the COLP. 908 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 3: I think they just need to. 909 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,240 Speaker 5: Have a really good hard look at themselves around this issue. 910 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,479 Speaker 3: I certainly feel safe. 911 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 5: I know that you know that every party has those conflicts, 912 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,439 Speaker 5: but I have to tell you, in all these years, 913 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 5: I've never felt unsafe. I've been a member of the 914 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,280 Speaker 5: ALP for a very long time now, I've never felt unsafe, 915 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 5: and I've always had room to be able to champion 916 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 5: my issues. And here back from the executive, you need 917 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 5: to get your house in order. The CLP, clearly it's 918 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 5: still in disarray. 919 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for putting that out. I was actually 920 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 2: the shadow minister asked that question about women, So I 921 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 2: take that very seriously. But if you want to take 922 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 2: pop digs at the CLP, maybe you should look in 923 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 2: your own house. I mean, we have the disgraced member 924 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 2: for Playing which you still support, who was part of 925 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 2: the Labor cocaine sex scandals. Well, you're still supporting it's still. 926 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 4: A Labor member. 927 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 5: Absolutely, He's decision for the party that is not a 928 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 5: decision for the parliamentary win Tom Well. 929 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 6: I mean, I think that a lot of people who 930 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 6: are making commentary on Facebook pages about the future of 931 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 6: the CLP, they pose an interesting question as to whether 932 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 6: a party based solely in the territory is relevant anymore 933 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 6: at a time when places like dar And and Alice Springs 934 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 6: is so transient. There was one CLP member, a quite 935 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 6: prominent person in the party, who said to me he 936 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 6: would be working at boots and such and people would 937 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 6: come up to him and ask, oh, where are the Liberals. 938 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 4: I've had that in the past. 939 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 7: I knew people come but you know, look, the seal 940 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 7: has been around it and I think as a a 941 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,919 Speaker 7: political party, you know, it will continue to chug along 942 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 7: and it'll have problems, just like you know the lad 943 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 7: of Party or Nationals you know, for a fee, didn't roll. 944 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 4: For a fee. 945 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,240 Speaker 7: But you know, I think it's time from as an independent, 946 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,919 Speaker 7: as a member of the partner, I think it's time 947 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 7: to just move on. I mean, clearly the party's got 948 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 7: their issues. I think if I've got issues, I've got 949 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 7: to have the conflict resolution processes in place, which I've 950 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 7: talked about before. Do they have a code of conduct. 951 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:05,959 Speaker 4: For their Party members. 952 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 7: Does the Labor Party have a code of conduct for 953 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 7: I don't know. So, you know, there are ways within 954 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 7: an organization that they should fix these up. And if 955 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 7: that's a problem, then they need to look at the 956 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 7: structure and they look at the people who are the 957 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 7: president and on the manager committee or whatever else it's 958 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 7: in there. You know, I just think it's time to 959 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 7: get on with more serious issues. 960 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,240 Speaker 1: Unfortunately we've run out of time. Murray Claire Boothby, Always 961 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: lovely to have you on the show. Thank you very much. 962 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: Tom Morgan, well done on your debut. Mate, Thanks very 963 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: much for your time this morning. Katy, we'll see you 964 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 1: again soon. Keesy appearance and Kate Warden, thank you for 965 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: your time this morning. 966 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 3: Always a pleasure. And I was going to say as well, 967 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 3: this step challenge is well and try honey c LP. 968 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're about to bully to us there joining the 969 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 1: team as well, the Hot Steppers, the three sixty Hot Steppers, 970 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: that's the team around the property Step. 971 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 3: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine. 972 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 3: That was the week that was