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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was, and we have

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Speaker 1: got a full lineup in here this morning joining me

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Speaker 1: in the studio. We've got Matt Cunningham from Sky News.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Matte, Morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: And sharing a microphone this morning with the Independent Speaker,

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Speaker 1: well she's the Independent, she's also the Speaker for the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territories Legislative Assembly, Robin Lamley. Good morning to you, morning,

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Speaker 1: Kate and Robin. A little bit warmer here than Alice Springs.

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing apparently I'll find out tonight at about seven

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Speaker 3: o'clock when I get off the plane and freeze.

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Speaker 1: We've got the Deputy Chief Minister, Jered Mayley. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, morning Katie.

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Speaker 4: And what a win for the dolphins.

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Speaker 1: Oh mate, what a way to start Friday, the weekend

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Speaker 1: just about on a Friday, isn't it? Surely exactly? And

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Speaker 1: we have indeed got Selena Rubo, the opposition leader, Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Good morning Katie, morning to your listeners and shout out

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Speaker 5: to running Kaytown.

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Speaker 1: Well and Kaytown is definitely going to be a focus

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Speaker 1: for us this morning because unfortunately, between Catherine and Alice Springs,

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Speaker 1: there's been some incredibly serious issues. Tensions in our small

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Speaker 1: town centers have indeed been boiling, with residents in Alice

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Speaker 1: Springs concern following that very serious assault which we did

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Speaker 1: speak briefly about last week, which saw a twenty seven

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Speaker 1: year old man stabbed multiple times last week. Now that

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Speaker 1: on Thursday afternoon. It's unfortunately not the only concern we

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Speaker 1: know residents in Catherine. They have described an escalation in

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Speaker 1: crime and just really bad behavior. We had it confirmed

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Speaker 1: in Catherine have indeed reduced their opening hours to minimize

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Speaker 1: safety concerns. We have spoken quite about quite a bit

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Speaker 1: about this in recent days. There's been quite a large

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Speaker 1: number of people contacting us saying wolf things are not

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Speaker 1: good in Catherine. I know that that's been a concern

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Speaker 1: down on secondary supply as well as looking at the

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Speaker 1: band drinkers register being in licensed premises. I mean, Robin,

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Speaker 3: I don't think it makes a difference in terms of

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Speaker 3: reducing crime, but it gives us some respite. Those two

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Speaker 3: alcohol takeaway alcohol free days Mondays and Tuesdays. I think

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Speaker 3: things are rolling north. We reduced the opening hours of

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Speaker 3: as people would know, of different types in place for

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Speaker 3: many years. It's moving up the track. Of course, Tenant

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Speaker 3: Creek is probably on par with us. But Catherine contemplating

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Speaker 3: all these things is probably what we did a few

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Speaker 3: years back. The BDR inside of licensed premises labour didn't

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Speaker 3: just more and more restrictions on people's ability to live

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Speaker 3: you will do about that, Jared.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, is it something that realistically does need

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Speaker 1: takeaway alcohol. But I know that there's certainly been questions

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, we understand there is an issue that right

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Speaker 4: a big tip to turn around. And we've strengthened BAIOL laws.

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Speaker 4: Just last month we recalled Parliament to strengthened BIOL laws. Again.

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Speaker 4: we understand the hospitality people have said that they don't

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Speaker 1: Can I just get this, like my head around this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Northern Territory Police obviously said on the

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Speaker 1: But you know, like if you then go into a

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Speaker 4: That's why we need to make sure that we get

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Speaker 4: That's why we need to get that balance right, Katie,

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Speaker 4: and we want to make sure that the demand goes down.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about media here to stop the supply, which

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Speaker 4: interferes with everyday lives to and fro. But what about

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Speaker 1: So we need expected to come into play. Well.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of being worked done behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: I mean, Selena, if the former government so, I guess

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, I know that there was some conversations and

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Speaker 5: why it didn't happen. Take responsibility obviously as part of

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Speaker 5: What are some of the actions and measures that could

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Speaker 5: what Jared's talked about. But people really want to see action.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we can blame labor for the last eight years.

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Speaker 5: That's fine, I'll take responsibility for that. But what people

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Speaker 5: want now is they want to see action, Katie. So

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Speaker 5: what we've tried to do in opposition is to provide

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Speaker 5: we discussed that earlier this week on Monday.

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Speaker 4: So I think I reckon that action is happening because

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Speaker 4: So all those people who were previously could go and

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Speaker 1: They still want to well do you get what I'm

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Speaker 4: But when you're in a licensed venue.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there is obviously dourving alcohol and secure in place.

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Speaker 2: Would you Yeah, but when in our Springs moment, from

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Speaker 4: You think so that the police and the licensee needs

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Speaker 4: if you're breaking the law, cater, you're breaking them in

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Speaker 4: aren't doing the right thing. We all need to work

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Speaker 1: No, And there's a few elements here as well that

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Speaker 1: I think are worth talking about, Like obviously the alcohol

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Speaker 1: terrible situation. But my question is how can young people

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Speaker 4: So that's all happen and the evidence is that, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, do we also need to look at Robert

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Speaker 3: Well, this is our life in Alice Springs. I've been

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Speaker 3: supporting families, making families accountable, making parents responsible, and hurting

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Speaker 4: What we're also doing is resourcing the police. Batter we've

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Speaker 4: So I don't think I agree with you, Rob with

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Speaker 4: There's been a long time of no consequences and we

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Speaker 2: With strengthen people where I live on saying that.

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Speaker 5: I was going to ask, is there an actual just

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Speaker 4: The police are working on that, working with the Jointies officers,

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Speaker 5: But resource that's a great Jared, But what's the actual

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Speaker 6: That's really disappointing for the.

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Speaker 4: People to make the territory a safe place. Now.

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Speaker 3: I know what.

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Speaker 1: I caught up with Joe Hersey yesterday I believe it was,

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Speaker 1: But there does need to be a strengthening of that

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Speaker 3: It could happen using the Band Drinkers Register on licensed premises.

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Speaker 3: Could happen very easily for most licensed premises in Alice

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Speaker 1: Well in the likes of security on the front.

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Speaker 6: So obviously aren't in cafes and restaurants.

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Speaker 5: So could there be the opportunity that while the government

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Speaker 5: that's installed quickly, but focusing on those hot spots, like

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Speaker 5: create some type of relief and respite, but accountability mostly Katie,

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Speaker 5: this is something that already happens on the Gold Coast.

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Speaker 5: This is something that already happens in cans why can't

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Speaker 2: I would make the broader point, though, Katie, that for

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Speaker 2: But what sort of state are we in if we

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Speaker 3: Bit, Matt, take those coppers off the police even for

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Speaker 3: So that absolutely work. But I take your point. Nothing's

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Speaker 3: So I take your point, but it's a moving feast.

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Speaker 3: You can never take your eye off the ball one

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Speaker 4: We're not working on the actual demand. We need to

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Speaker 2: And I know things are really bad in Catherine and

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Speaker 4: But I agree, but I disagree with in relation to

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Speaker 4: We're previously there was not everyone's hands up. I'm leaving

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Speaker 5: So it is we're going to come to Cattle and

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Speaker 4: You were in power for eight years and you caused this.

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Speaker 4: You need to take and let you're the problems. We

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Speaker 4: But it is turned around slowly, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 4: Those programs are up and running. We know under the

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Speaker 4: previous government the prison system was collapsing and those programs

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Speaker 4: weren't happening overcrowding. We're fixing all that. We're getting these

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Speaker 4: programs up and running because we need to make sure

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Speaker 4: that people going.

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Speaker 1: It cannot happen fast enough. It cannot happen fast enough.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say that in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen,

443
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Speaker 3: and part of twenty sixteen, under alcohol mandatory treatment, public

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Speaker 3: drunkenness was all but eliminated. So bring it on, Jared.

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Speaker 3: You guys have promised to bring it back. I know

446
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Speaker 3: it was heavily criticized for different reasons, but it did

447
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Speaker 3: almost eliminate drunks on the street.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're going to have to take a really

449
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Speaker 1: quick break. You are listening to Mix one oh four nine.

450
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. You are listening to

451
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Speaker 1: the week that was, And if you've just joined us

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Speaker 1: in the studio with us this morning. We have got

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Speaker 1: the Opposition leader Selena Rubo. We've got Jared Mayley, the

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Speaker 1: Deputy Chief Minister. We've got the Speaker of the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territories Legislative Assembly, Robin Lamley, and we've got Matt Cunningham. Now,

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Speaker 1: the leader of the Opposition has referred what she's described

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Speaker 1: as allegations in relation to the potential misuse of public

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Speaker 1: funds and mismanagement of conflicts of interest at the Darwin

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Speaker 1: Waterfront Corporation to the Public Accounts Committee now in Parliament. Selena,

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Speaker 1: you said that allegations are the allegations, sorry, are too

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Speaker 1: serious and the public money involved too significant to be

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Speaker 1: swept under the rug. Can you outline for us exactly

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Speaker 1: what the allegations are.

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Speaker 5: On Wednesday evening, I referred to the Public Accounts Committee.

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Speaker 5: That's the Committee of Parliament. It's a multi party committee.

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Speaker 5: It's got COLP, it's got Labor it's got an independent

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Speaker 5: member on it, and what they do is they focus

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Speaker 5: on the use of public funds and they've got mechanisms

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Speaker 5: to be able to investigate it, to report, to do

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Speaker 5: hearings on receive submissions around those public funds. So in opposition, unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: we don't really have many mechanisms to be able to

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Speaker 5: provide answers to questions to the concerns that have been

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Speaker 5: raised by many territories to me and my team and

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Speaker 5: our officers. Just this morning too, Katie, I had someone

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Speaker 5: stop me on my morning walk and say, you know,

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Speaker 5: we really want to see some answers around this, and

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Speaker 5: I said, yeah, We've done what we can do. The

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Speaker 5: Public Accounts Committee, we believe is the right forum for

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Speaker 5: that to look at some of the allegations, which is

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Speaker 5: the misuse and mismanagement of public funds with the dual

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Speaker 5: and Waterfront Corporation.

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to be really upfrontier. Obviously, my husband

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Speaker 1: is now the chair of the Darwin Waterfront Corporation. As

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Speaker 1: I've said on numerous occasions on this show. He took

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Speaker 1: over from Richard Fijo about six months ago. Again, I'll

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Speaker 1: ask you what exactly are the allegations and what year

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Speaker 1: did this happen.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, most of.

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Speaker 5: The allegations did occur under the former Labor government.

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Speaker 6: I've been very open about that.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be doing my job, Katie if I wasn't

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Speaker 5: demanding some answers, because that's what you've got to do

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Speaker 5: when you're talking about public accountability. I acknowledge that most

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Speaker 5: of the allegations that have been brought to us and

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Speaker 5: that have been reported on are around the time frames

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Speaker 5: under our former labor government. But I think that my duty,

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Speaker 5: I would not be holding my head up high in

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Speaker 5: the role that I have if I wasn't asking those Oh, I.

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Speaker 1: Guess that, But I still can't wrap my hand around

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Speaker 1: what the allegations are.

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Speaker 6: Oh, the allegations.

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Speaker 5: So there's the allegations around the movement of funds, Allegations

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Speaker 5: that the former CEO had higher duties the job that

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Speaker 5: were the higher duties finished, they were still receiving funds

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Speaker 5: after that high duty's role finished, and that there was

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Speaker 5: some changes around the from one division within the government

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Speaker 5: to another to pay for some of this higher duty.

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Speaker 5: So the movement from one fund to another without any

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Speaker 5: formal processes, without anything, you know, in budget books being changed.

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Speaker 6: So I can't answer those questions that I've referred.

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Speaker 1: It, but you were in government at the time, so

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Speaker 1: presumably if there was something, if there was an allegation

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Speaker 1: of fraud, as you had referred to in Parliament throughout

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Speaker 1: the week, that you'd actually report it to the Ikak caney.

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Speaker 5: In terms of the Daln Waterfront Corporation, they do have

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Speaker 5: some of their own mechanisms, but they still are funded

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Speaker 5: by taxpayers dollars. What I would like to see is

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Speaker 5: the questions that have been raised with us provide some

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Speaker 5: type of response or answer if that's even possible. If

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Speaker 5: there's something that goes further to that, then of course

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Speaker 5: there would be the duty to report to KAK.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of ifs that you're saying there,

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Speaker 1: and you sort of use a lot of padding words

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Speaker 1: around those allegations. I know that that. Obviously, the Waterfront

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Speaker 1: have come out up and said that they fully believe

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Speaker 1: the words are, that they fully accept or support that referral.

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Speaker 1: They've said that the board operates with transparency and integrity

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Speaker 1: in compliance with the Darwin Waterfront Corporation Act of two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six, applying high standards of Governance. So I

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Speaker 1: guess my question is, I mean again, do you feel

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Speaker 1: as though under the former government that there was some

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Speaker 1: kind of fraudulent or corrupt behavior going on? And if

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Speaker 1: there was, why haven't you referred it to the Ikak.

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Speaker 5: Well, Katie, I would love to see some answers around

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Speaker 5: the questions. I don't have enough information. I never had

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Speaker 5: a portfolio that related to the dar Wars.

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Speaker 2: If you don't have enough information, why didn't you take

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Speaker 2: up the Waterfront's offer of a briefing?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 6: So, I will absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you take that up before you before you

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Speaker 2: made this referral in parliament? We're off of that on Friday?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was offering a Friday.

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Speaker 2: You don't have enough information. You had the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: get the information. But Matt, this goes you rejected it

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Speaker 2: before you raise the issue in parliament.

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Speaker 5: No, No, the question is to me, Jared, not you, Matt.

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Speaker 5: I can definitely answer that. So I will take up

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Speaker 5: the briefing. It was provided or the offer was provided

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Speaker 5: to me on Friday.

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Speaker 1: I believe it's Monday last week that you provided that offer.

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Speaker 6: Oh okay, if it was Monday, I haven't got to it.

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Speaker 6: I will do it.

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Speaker 5: But what is concerning is that there is multiple not one.

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Speaker 5: There is multiple allegations that need to be looked at,

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Speaker 5: and if it can be cleared up, I think the

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Speaker 5: Public Accounts Committee will be the best option to do

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Speaker 5: that and once and for all. If there's no wrongdoing,

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Speaker 5: that's great. But how can we have confidence in our

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Speaker 5: public institutions if we do not have the answer?

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Speaker 2: I actually think the best way to clear it up

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Speaker 2: would be for the Attorney General to release the advice

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Speaker 2: that she has since been given.

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Speaker 6: Which she hasn't. We have asked for much and I

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Speaker 6: agree with.

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Speaker 2: You, So I guess the question is to Jared want

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Speaker 2: to make that public?

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Speaker 4: I want to say, why won't you release that? I'll

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Speaker 4: answer the question, but before I get started, this makes

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Speaker 4: you really angry this whole topic, because this is your

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Speaker 4: pure guarded politics at its best. The selene ebo here,

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Speaker 4: the the leaving opposition is just playing politics with the

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Speaker 4: public servants. But she's named a number of public servants

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Speaker 4: over the week in parliament. She named my brother in

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Speaker 4: parliament and it's just cowards castles.

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Speaker 1: Talk about your brother at all? Can stop.

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Speaker 6: Jeredy this about your brother?

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Speaker 4: Who does this outside the parliament, she would be getting

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Speaker 4: sued so quickly.

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Speaker 6: Wouldn't talk about your brother. Don't labor, your.

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Speaker 4: Labor spoke about my brother.

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Speaker 6: You're talking about me.

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Speaker 4: You're talking about.

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Speaker 6: Can we get back?

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Speaker 2: Can we get back to the cut of the issue,

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Speaker 2: because if you go, if you go over, some of

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Speaker 2: us remember things, and I remember Leaf when she was

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Speaker 2: the opposition leader making a big thing of the so

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Speaker 2: called cocaine sex scandal within Labor and at the time

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Speaker 2: people were saying, God, has she gone too far? Has

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Speaker 2: she risked her credibility on this issue? And in the

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Speaker 2: end she was proven to be correct because she prosecuted it,

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Speaker 2: which is what Selena's doing at the moment. So I

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Speaker 2: just would rather go to the crux of the issue.

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Speaker 2: When why the Attorney General won't release the advice that

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Speaker 2: she has that says that there's nothing to see here.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't that clear the whole thing up?

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Speaker 4: There is nothing these are honestly, if.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing, if there's nothing to see here.

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Speaker 4: Release documents tabled in parliament to IKAK. Was a letter

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Speaker 4: that she wrote to IKQ and some online articles because

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Speaker 4: I don't have.

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Speaker 5: The information that you and you have had briefing to.

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Speaker 4: Get the information. You chose not to do it because what.

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Speaker 6: You're doing is you're attacking.

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Speaker 4: Brief This is absolutely embarrassing. You should hold your head

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Speaker 4: in shame because it's a disgrace. The way you've acted

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Speaker 4: in this whole episode is disgusting. You're naming people who

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Speaker 4: can't defend themselves and you're purely trying to attack the

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Speaker 4: leader of opposition through other people, which is an absolute disgrace.

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Speaker 4: Should be so the Chief Minister absolutely disgusted in yourself.

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Speaker 4: This is unsubstantiated. These claims are absolutely nothing there that's.

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Speaker 6: Clear out and see what the account community goes back.

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Speaker 1: I guess the question I would ask.

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Speaker 4: Is you were trying to score priltical points about this.

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Speaker 4: It's an absolute joke, Robin.

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Speaker 1: I'm keen to know what you think. I mean, you've

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Speaker 1: sat in Parliament for a long long time, You've seen

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Speaker 1: lots of things.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't have any view on these allegations. In fact,

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Speaker 3: the whole waterfront phenomenon has been a mystery to me

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Speaker 3: ever since I've been in politics. So I welcome any

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Speaker 3: sort of inquiry into the waterfront because I don't have.

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Speaker 6: Well, it does and I think for the waterfront this

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Speaker 6: year as well.

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Speaker 3: Let's broaden it out into a much borter inquiry into

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Speaker 3: why we even have the Darwin Waterfront. But what I

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Speaker 3: do welcome is the use of the Public Accounts Committee

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Speaker 3: to do their job to scrutinize government. I was a

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Speaker 3: member of the Public Accounts Committee for four years, the

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Speaker 3: last four years of the last Parliament under the member

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Speaker 3: the former Member for Johnston who I'll never forget, Joel Bowden.

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Speaker 3: And we did one inquiry in four years. So generally speaking,

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Speaker 3: bring it on. Let's refer lots of these sorts of

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Speaker 3: problems or potential Yeah, and I menomers to the Public

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Speaker 3: Accounts Committee. Let's see democracy in action.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the thing is I will say that the

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Speaker 1: Darwin Waterfront have said that they welcome it. You know,

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Speaker 1: they don't seem as though they're overly concerned about it.

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Speaker 1: They seem as though they're more than happy to welcome

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Speaker 1: to welcome going to the Public Accounts Committee from the

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Speaker 1: statement that they issue it up political game.

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Speaker 2: I do I agree with your point about the Darmen Waterfall.

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Speaker 2: I do question why the Dalhmen Waterfront can't just be

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Speaker 2: offerated by the operated by the public service. It's like

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Speaker 2: the public servants get a second bite to the cherry

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Speaker 2: to be on the Darwin Waterfront board or executive or

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Speaker 2: however it works, you know, which just seems like, you know,

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Speaker 2: when we have so much waste in government's mending that

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Speaker 2: the government's talking about at the moment, I just I

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Speaker 2: don't understand why it operates like that. You come from Alice,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure a lot of things that when

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Speaker 2: you come from Alice Springs are a mystery.

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Speaker 4: Robin.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we get to that when we can talk about

656
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Speaker 2: the empty art. But I also think the fact that

657
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: that Selena is referring this to the Public Accounts Committee

658
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: shows that Territorians and our politicians have completely lost faith

659
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: and confidence in the IKAK. That that organization we're seven

660
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: years in, has been a complete disaster. We've seen the

661
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: second IKAK commissioner resign in the last week or two

662
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: under a cloud of controversy. We saw the first one

663
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: resign under a cloud of controversy. It has done nothing

664
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: but cause more problems. I don't think it's solved any

665
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 2: I don't know that you know any I don't think

666
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: anyone could stand here hand on heart and say that

667
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: the ikak in the Northern Territory has been a success.

668
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: But so where where do we go though from here?

669
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Because I mean the thing is, people do expect that

670
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: there is a body that any form of corruption or

671
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: any form of you know, a fraudulent behavior within the

672
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: public service or anything like that, people expect that it

673
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: can be referred somewhere. But if the EYECAK isn't working

674
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: in the way that it's intended, what do we do?

675
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 5: Or leaf Forciera, when she was in opposition, said that

676
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 5: as the Chief Minister, she would fully fund the eye

677
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 5: caack to whatever resources that they need.

678
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: And still get.

679
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 6: So there was actually a decrease.

680
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 5: In the funding and this year's for CLP's first budget

681
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 5: to the ostmat's.

682
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: Point that it's not really operating, it hadn't been anyway

683
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: in the way that it was intended. So I mean,

684
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: what do you do? Do you just keep but what

685
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: do you do? Just keep filling a leaky bucket? But

686
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm asking you because you've just made the point saying

687
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: that you know that she's continuing to fund it, So

688
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: what do.

689
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 6: You do She's they're funding it less than Yeah, but.

690
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: Do you think you just keep do you think you

691
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: just keep filling that leaky bucket or do you think

692
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: that you need to look at doing things differently.

693
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 5: We have said we will look at through the parliament

694
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Speaker 5: and I think if Nokiao's Chief Mane to have said

695
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 5: it as well, or a vision of the Kaka and

696
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 5: I think it's needed And to Matt's point, absolutely, and

697
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 5: we're talking about our job as parliamentarians is to make

698
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 5: the best laws for territori ands. So that is definitely

699
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 5: something I'm not sure what will be led by the

700
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 5: Sealp government. Perhaps Jared can answer that today, but we

701
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 5: will be very open in the Labor opposition to be

702
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 5: looking at that piece of.

703
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Speaker 1: Legisty reviewing it. Would you like to see it scrapped?

704
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Speaker 5: Well, I can't comment on that because I don't know

705
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 5: what the floors are if we're going to be looking at.

706
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 3: It need an eye cack, but it needs to be

707
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: pulled apart and put back together and.

708
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Speaker 1: To be improved. The difficulty I think we were always

709
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: going to have with an eye cake in the Northern

710
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: Territory is there is not six degrees of separation in

711
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. There's one with absolutely you know everybody

712
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: knows everybody, So I tend to wonder whether it's a

713
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, whether it is an idea that you have

714
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: a body that's outside of the Northern Territory that is

715
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: able to actually look into our issues here in the.

716
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Speaker 4: Our review in the EICACK and it hasn't worked completely

717
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: agree with you. And there's a whole range of these

718
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 4: oversight bodies that are all working. Is four or five

719
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 4: of them? We need to review the whole lot to

720
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 4: work out. Look, you're right, is there an option of

721
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: going using a doing a deal with the New South Wales? Okay,

722
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: there's a whole range of things, but we're going to

723
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 4: do that. But right now, we've been in office for

724
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 4: about nine months. We've been focusing heavily on reducing crime,

725
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 4: rebuilding economy and that's what we've been doing and I

726
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 4: feel that it's been working. And it's been nine months

727
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 4: and we've had a big ship to turn around because

728
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 4: you're right, Labor completely stuffed the territory. There's no consequences.

729
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: People are doing what they want and there there is

730
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 4: a turnaround. Things are getting better because the labor government

731
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: completely failed, no consequences and everything was out of control.

732
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 4: The economy was a downhill spiral. We're fixing things one

733
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 4: thing at a time. We've been in there for nine months.

734
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 4: We're working on crime, we're rebuilding economy. We're kicking off Beaterloo.

735
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 4: We're trying to make sure the teritory.

736
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: I like to get a pair of for eight years,

737
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: so you should have a pair, shouldn't you have them

738
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: for a while.

739
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

740
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: The number of times I reckon I heard in Parliament

741
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: when you guys are in power, stop talking the territory down.

742
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: As things were burning outside Parliament's outside Parliament House, I reckon,

743
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: you've probably got your own glasses.

744
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 6: Selena Dared saying things are getting better for crime. We've

745
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 6: just gone through a whole bunch of examples, particularly.

746
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely as we used to go through with you guys

747
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: every week. All Right, we're going to take a very

748
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: quick break. You are listening to Mix one O four

749
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: nine is three sixty one. Thing I am very keen

750
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: to discuss next is the art gallery or what exactly

751
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: is it gonna be. You are listening to Mix one

752
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: O four nine's three sixty Now the Northern Territory Art

753
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: Gallery in Darwin, CBD. Well it's no longer going to

754
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: go ahead as planned, with the government instead doing an

755
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: EOI for that site. The COLP says the project, which

756
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: is blown out by more than one hundred million dollars,

757
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: was committed to under labor without a business case or

758
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: operational funding. The government's decay to do a public EOI

759
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: to identify the most cost effective and impactful use of

760
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: the building which is under construction. We've had some very

761
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: interesting suggestions.

762
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 4: Okay, this is another labor stuff up. Essentially one hundred

763
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: million dollars over budget and more employe there's a business

764
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 4: cases going to cost between six and eight million dollars

765
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 4: a year to run. So that's six or eight million

766
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 4: dollars of taxpayers money every year it's open to run,

767
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: never ever budgeted for. So you imagine what you could

768
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 4: do with six right million dollars in relation into health

769
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 4: system or the police or the imagine what that can do.

770
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 2: But no, you could start the Nightcliff police station exactly.

771
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 4: So what we've done we need to make sure that

772
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 4: he's not going to be a burden any more of

773
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 4: a burden on the taxpayer. So we've gone out to

774
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 4: what can we use it for. We want something that's

775
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 4: going to be best bang for but to be able

776
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 4: to use this this building, and it's a really weird

777
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 4: design building too, I understand how it can be used

778
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 4: for because clearly using it as an art gallery is

779
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 4: just going to cost taxpayers money. Where we are broke.

780
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 4: We've got eleven billion dollars worth of debt out the

781
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 4: police systems, failing, the education system, the health system because

782
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,959
Speaker 4: money is not being spent where it needs to be spent.

783
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 4: Yet they spend money on a one hundred million dollar

784
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 4: blowout as well. It's just a complete debarkle.

785
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: There is a I mean, there's a great argument that

786
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: the Northern Territory needs to get less untied funding and

787
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: this is one of them, because how can you be

788
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: spending such an extraordinary amount of money on an art

789
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: gallery in the CBD when we have a very good

790
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: art gallery down here in Fanny Bay And people like

791
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: Robin and Alice Springs and Selena in Catherine Musk just

792
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: shake their heads at this sort of staff because you know,

793
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: we've we've got a twelve million dollar police station in

794
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: Nightcliffe as part of what ended up being like almost

795
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: a sixty five million dollar redevelopment that has no police

796
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: effectively we've got a at the moment, we've got this

797
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: crisis going on with private maternity services, and we've got

798
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: the Health Minister writing to the federal Health Minister saying,

799
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: please give us thirty five million dollars to upgrade maternity

800
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: services at the Royal dal And Hospital, when we have

801
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: a brand new maternity service at the Palmestan Hospital that

802
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 2: has never had a baby born in it. We've now

803
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: got an art gallery build it a cost of whatever

804
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: it is that's going to be empty. It's just an

805
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: absolute fascal situation. It does get the trucks of the

806
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: matter that you know, we sort of pork barrel these

807
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: white elephants and we don't budget for the fact of

808
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: how we're going to run them. Like you know, the

809
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: budget blowouts we've had previously with the Palmeston Hospital have

810
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: been in excess of sixty million dollars a year because

811
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 2: people said, let's build this thing, and they never said

812
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 2: how are we going to run it. It's the reason

813
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: we don't have police in the Nightcliff Police Station, and

814
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: that's the reason we now have an art gallery that's empty,

815
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: even though it's cost US one hundred million dollars to

816
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 2: build it's madness.

817
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 4: It seems to be the previous government just ran by

818
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 4: media release and so we'll put on a program. We'll

819
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 4: do it and look at the bear and my overpass

820
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 4: one hundred million dollars overspend there. You know, I could

821
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 4: go on for ages about Spence. And that's why we're

822
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 4: in such a dive Bilin call situation is because the

823
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: Labor government completely just stuffed it. Our economy's gone downhill.

824
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 4: Crime was through the roof, people were leaving the territory

825
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 4: and that's what we got elected to try and do,

826
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 4: and it's going to have.

827
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: To turn around.

828
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: I live in a parallel universe in which we were

829
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: promised in art gallery nine years ago. We're yet to

830
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: see a sod.

831
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: So if we can get that one moved.

832
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: We have a shitty old hospital which doesn't enjoy any

833
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: sort of beautiful benefits or accommodation, and we get nothing

834
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: in our springs, and we got certainly got nothing under Labor.

835
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: We're hoping to get a bit more under the COLP

836
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: with a few ministers down there. But look, it's insane

837
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: and I have to ask the question, how many art

838
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: galleries does a town of one hundred and twenty five

839
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: thousand people need. I mean it should have been knocked

840
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: on the head before it even started. Look, we just

841
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: had a fun conversation in the break. It could be

842
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: the snazziest aldi Australia has, Katie.

843
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: Somebody told me a Lego museum and everybody was like, oh,

844
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: that sounds like a fantastic.

845
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 6: Idea, Katie.

846
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 5: This project was particularly championed by the Darwen Major Business Group,

847
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 5: so it was around local jobs, increasing local jobs.

848
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 6: Don't try and pass the Jared, not passing the buck.

849
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 6: I'm just acknowledging you didn't plan for it.

850
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 4: You stopped it up.

851
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 6: So Katie.

852
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 5: Yes, Jared's still acting like we're in Parliament and you

853
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 5: can just be as rude as possible. So no, you're

854
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 5: just being rude. So darn Major Business Group champion this

855
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 5: based on jobs, trying to reinvigorate the CBD. You know,

856
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 5: there's a few other projects that have happened, as many

857
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 5: people would know in the top end to try and

858
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 5: improve the Darwin City. This was part of the Darwen

859
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 5: citi's deal, so federal government, Anti government and Dawn City

860
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 5: Council again that in reinvigorating the city but also creating

861
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 5: other opportunities, for jobs, for the economy, for tourism opportunities.

862
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 5: You know, we've got these amazing tourism opportunities with the

863
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 5: big cruise ships that come in and literally a walk

864
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 5: up from the darn waterfront and dispeed any of that.

865
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: But the thing that I always sort of wonder, and

866
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: I know that we had this discussion when the Palmeston

867
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: Hospital was being built, for example, is it is like,

868
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: it's fantastic to have a new hospital, it's fantastic to

869
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: have an art gallery. It's fantastic to have these new things.

870
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: But if we don't actually have the budget to be

871
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: able to operate them, it then becomes, you know, quite

872
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: the burden on territorians. And I suppose I feel like

873
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: for quite some time we've sort of been going, all right, well,

874
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: let's build it and they will come. But we're building

875
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: it and they're not, you know, because we're still dealing

876
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: with all the other issues that we've got here in

877
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, and we're still trying to you know,

878
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: to get through all the other crap that we're you know,

879
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: that we're trying to deal with. But we're spending one

880
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars additional on a museum and art gallery,

881
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: like it's just you know, it's weird.

882
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, in my view, the focus was just clearly wrong.

883
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 4: You know, we're focusing on trying to reduce the I'm

884
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 4: trying to rebuild the economy and restore our lifestyle. That's

885
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 4: what we're trying to do. And everything we're doing, all

886
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 4: this uses made a base on those topics. We're building

887
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 4: one hundred and forty million dollar art gallery when we've

888
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 4: already got one just down the road. We don't no

889
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 4: one's going to come to the Northern Territory and buy

890
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 4: fine art.

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00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot about the first and a little

892
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: bit about the second of those. What are you doing

893
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: though about the lifestyle issue, because I haven't heard the

894
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: government allow and announce a lot around that third pillar.

895
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 4: Well, lifestyle is the first thing to do is get

896
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 4: the crime under control, because you can't have a good

897
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 4: lifestyle if you're going to get robbed and murdered and

898
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 4: broken into. So we're working on that. The economy is

899
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 4: about getting the gas happening, because again, no point having

900
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 4: a great lifestyle if you can't afford it. And the

901
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 4: last style is for me, were hunting reserves are getting bigger.

902
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 4: We've put made hard again bigger. We're making fishing better.

903
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 4: We've got the fishing grain. But if fish well, there's

904
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 4: a lot of people who do yeah across the Northern Territory,

905
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 4: and we're just making the charritory a better place to live.

906
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 6: So I don't thank you.

907
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 3: People in Darwin. Realize how lucky you are. So beautiful

908
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 3: up here. This is a beautiful city. You have everything

909
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: you need and more. Okay, you've got an increasing crime problem.

910
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 3: It's nowhere near as bad as probably anywhere else in

911
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: the Northern Territory, and I'm not trying to minimize it.

912
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: But you are so lucky. Your expectations are so high,

913
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 3: and you're used to getting exactly what you want, and

914
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: I think it's probably time that that be changed. Jared

915
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: readjusted that all territorians get to benefit from the taxpayer

916
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 3: dollar and we all get the beautiful amenities that you've

917
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: got up here. I'm not saying that it should be

918
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: any less here, but appreciate what you've got.

919
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: So now it's probably not a good time to say

920
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: what people were suggesting. They want the museum and aren't

921
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: gallery to be Somebody had suggested a remand center next

922
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: door to the course. Somebody had suggested a lego museum.

923
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: Somebody had suggested an indoor athletics track. Somebody else had

924
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: told us yesterday a police station to match the night

925
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: Cliff one with nobody inside.

926
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Speaker 2: You just put the sign up now, really it'd be

927
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: exactly the same.

928
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of suggestions for what it could be.

929
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Speaker 4: I don't know if a serious note, what it needs

930
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 4: to be is best bang for buck. We need to

931
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 4: make sure that the taxpayers money is not getting wasted

932
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: as we move forward. Do we need to use it

933
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 4: in a some sort of area or some sort of

934
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 4: design for where we get some money?

935
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 5: Like a huge concern that we've got the Deputy Chief

936
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 5: Minister with Jared Mayley, who's gone out to the public.

937
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 5: The SEOPA government's gone out to the public because they

938
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 5: literally don't have an economic vision for the territory. Darwin

939
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 5: which has half and Palmerston has half the territory's population

940
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 5: and they cannot put their finger on any type of

941
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 5: investment to grow the economy.

942
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 6: They don't have any type of economy.

943
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: What about the gas what about the Beterloo?

944
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: What did labor do for that, Jared, for the.

945
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 5: Last eight years, but you never acknowledged a separate You

946
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Speaker 5: will now get to.

947
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Speaker 1: Sit in between you two in a mo It's time.

948
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to take a very quick break though.

949
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Speaker 1: Well the hour has flown by joining us this morning.

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Speaker 1: A big thanks to Selena Hubo, the Opposition leader.

951
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you, Katie, and I hope everyone has

952
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 5: a wonderful weekend when it rolls around.

953
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Speaker 1: Jared Mainlee, the Deputy Chief Minister, thank you for your

954
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: time this morning.

955
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Speaker 4: A quick shout out to the Fred's By show this weekend.

956
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Speaker 4: If you want in the area, come on down.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Robin Lamley, the Speaker of the Northern Territories

958
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Speaker 1: Legislative Assembly, thank you. I hope it's lovely and cool

959
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: back in Alice Springs. I'm sure it will be. And

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you for your time

961
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Speaker 1: this morning. Mate.

962
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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie. Think we need to take the show on

963
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: the road to Alice Springs.

964
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Speaker 1: Saturday and Catherine, yeah, they would laugh that and maybe

965
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: even you know, somewhere else along the way we'll wait

966
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Speaker 1: and say yeah we could go out to that'll be

967
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Speaker 1: good fun. Thank you all so very much. For your time,