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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. If you love things historic,

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Speaker 1: you love our next guest, Mark Fannell.

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Speaker 2: He's gone to the edge of the earth to uncover

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Speaker 2: and unwrap some incredible historic artifacts, all stolen.

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Speaker 1: By the British.

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Speaker 2: He's a crossed the globe from Kenya to Canada and

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Speaker 2: everywhere in between, all he tells us in the name

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Speaker 2: of research. Yeah, all right, he's got this epic show.

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Speaker 1: It's up to season two. Stuff the British stole, Mark, Hello.

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Speaker 3: Hello, how are you? I swear it was all of work.

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Speaker 3: I swear all of it with the work.

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Speaker 1: So stuff the British stole.

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Speaker 2: As you say, there's enough now to be in season

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Speaker 2: number two. What's some of the stuff that you're uncovering

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Speaker 2: this time around.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've got everything from a mummified Egyptian child, to

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Speaker 3: things in the Crown jewels to actually seeds, the seeds

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Speaker 3: of rubber. The rubber plant were smuggled out of Brazil,

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Speaker 3: and Brazilians are still quite angry about it, and even

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest one of all is what they

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Speaker 3: call the pastor on marble sculptures, which sat on top

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Speaker 3: of the Acropolis in Greece for two thousand years. You

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Speaker 3: ask any Greek person about this and they will very

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Speaker 3: comfortably tell you that was stolen by the British.

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Speaker 1: Are they the Elgin marbles? Is that the same thing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they get very upp at you if you call

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Speaker 3: it the Elgan marbles now, because Elgin is the guy

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Speaker 3: that took them apparently. See so where are the marbles now, Well,

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Speaker 3: they said, in the last two hundred years, sitting in

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Speaker 3: the British Museum in London. And for about that long

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Speaker 3: the Greeks and the British have argued over who owns them.

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Speaker 3: The Greeks say it was stolen and the British say,

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Speaker 3: well they bought it legally, and all's fair, and it's

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Speaker 3: raised for the longest time. And actually, one of the

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Speaker 3: things that we want to do is look a look

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Speaker 3: at people who are trying to solve the problem, which

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Speaker 3: is how he ended up on the top of this

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Speaker 3: mountain in Italy with a robot, the diamond tipped robot,

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Speaker 3: and a bunch of renegade archaeologists who are trying to

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Speaker 3: do a perfect three D replica in Italian marble of

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Speaker 3: the Parthenon marbles to give for free to the British

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Speaker 3: museum if they'll give the originals back to Greece. It's wild.

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Speaker 2: So the variety of things that you've found that the

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Speaker 2: British have taken, will the British ever gives them back?

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Speaker 2: Are there some that have been returned?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? You know what, it's interesting. So over the years

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Speaker 3: we've the show started off as a podcast and then

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Speaker 3: became a TV show And one of the things we

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Speaker 3: did early on in the podcast was a bunch of

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Speaker 3: spears that was taken from the indigenous community around Botany Bay,

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Speaker 3: and actually they have been returned. Now I'm not claiming

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Speaker 3: credit for that. A lot of hard work went into that,

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Speaker 3: but I do think there is a look. It's also

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Speaker 3: like not every object necessarily needs to go home. I

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Speaker 3: think sometimes a lot of people are quite happy for

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Speaker 3: their work, their culture, their history to be an ambassador

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Speaker 3: for them over in the UK or America or whatever,

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Speaker 3: but most people would like them to at least tell

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Speaker 3: the truth about how they got them. You know, was

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Speaker 3: it a gift or was it a gift while somebody

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Speaker 3: was pointing a gun out to you? You know what

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Speaker 3: I mean?

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Speaker 1: That kind of because I guess what have they had

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Speaker 1: a receipt for the marbles.

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Speaker 3: Actually, it's funny that you say that, because that kind

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Speaker 3: of exists, right. So, at the time the marbles were

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Speaker 3: taken from Greece, the Greeks weren't actually in charge. It

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Speaker 3: was out of an Ottoman empire and the British that

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Speaker 3: Lord Elgin you mentioned earlier, he had this this letter

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Speaker 3: that was basically permission from what sort of like middle

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Speaker 3: management the Ottoman Empire is saying, hey, if something's fallen

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Speaker 3: down there, you can take a research. The problem is

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Speaker 3: he didn't just take things but falling down. He had

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Speaker 3: people go up there and carve huge chunks of marble

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Speaker 3: off the temple. And actually that receipt per se is

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Speaker 3: a copy. The original has never been found. So there's

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Speaker 3: the whole kind of legality of their ownership is pretty flimmed.

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Speaker 2: And the British Museum would look quite different without all

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Speaker 2: these things.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what? It's something that you say that

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Speaker 3: because people often say that, and actually, at any one moment,

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Speaker 3: the British Museum has about one to five percent of

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Speaker 3: its entire collection on display, so you know what, they'd

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Speaker 3: probably be all right, They've got other stuff they can

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Speaker 3: fill it with. And I think there's a bigger question

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Speaker 3: of like do you if you take everything from you know,

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Speaker 3: from one place to a country of origin, you kind

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Speaker 3: of diminish our capacity to learn as well, which is

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Speaker 3: why it's not just out taking things back to where

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Speaker 3: they came from. That that would that would end up

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Speaker 3: being quite boring. We would learn less from each other.

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean you should necessarily lie about how

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Speaker 3: you got things. And I think the whole show is

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Speaker 3: really just a reaction to like when you walk through museums,

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Speaker 3: you see all this stuff that's got these nice polite parks,

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Speaker 3: but actually sometimes the real story about how they got

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Speaker 3: there is way more interesting. If nothing else, I've.

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Speaker 1: Got to make the nick to Craig Bow Craiglunds bumper

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Speaker 1: from his commodore back in do you see the British

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Speaker 1: Museum with be interested?

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Speaker 3: But that's up and he's shared.

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Speaker 1: He's very proud of that because that was hard to get.

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Speaker 3: You know, there was a lot of pecks. You know what,

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Speaker 3: It doesn't hurt to ask, It doesn't hurt to ask

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Speaker 3: the British Museum and see if there are could happen.

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Speaker 1: Interested in Craig lands as bumper, I'd want to receipt

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Speaker 1: that it's always great to talk to.

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Speaker 3: You can watch Stuff the British Style every Monday at

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Speaker 3: eight o'clock on the ABC and ABC I View Make

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Speaker 3: for Now. Thank you, thanks guys,