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Speaker 1: You're listening to Samon Lola in La La.

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Speaker 2: Land, a podcast that gives you an inside look into

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Speaker 2: the entertainment industry from two homegrown Aussies.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Sam, I'm a producer, and.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lola, an actor and TV host.

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Speaker 4: Each week, we're going to share with you our honest

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Speaker 4: and real experiences of working in Hollywood, from the BAFTAs

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Speaker 4: to casting rooms, talk shows, red carpet events, and all

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Speaker 4: the little bits are crazy in between.

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Speaker 2: Our hope is that through sharing these stories, the good

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Speaker 2: and the ugly, you'll be encouraged to get outside your

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Speaker 2: comfort zone and chase your dreams.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Samon Lola in La La Land.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Simon Lola.

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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Hi Lola.

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Speaker 2: Hello. Feel like I haven't seen you for a little while.

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Speaker 1: Well you have it.

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Speaker 2: We've had a hiatus. In a way, if the audience

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Speaker 2: would not know, the listener would not know.

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Speaker 1: We've had a mini break yep, a mini Paul.

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Speaker 2: You've been in Mexico.

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Speaker 3: I have so this episode.

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Speaker 2: Ask us anything, I just I love ask us anything

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Speaker 2: and guess what what? It's our last episode. Oh, I know,

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Speaker 2: we'll find excuses. We've still got to see Elvis together.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, but it's just like it's all

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Speaker 3: coming to an end. I know, eight weeks, eight weeks

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Speaker 3: of Sam and Lola La La Land how crazy, I know,

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Speaker 3: But hey, thank you everyone who's listened and like send

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Speaker 3: us comments and all the rest of it, all the above.

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Speaker 2: What was your favorite app?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know, it keeps changing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think Senior Year was like to get all those

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Speaker 2: incredible gifts all you like, it's pretty special.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but also like just to celebrate everyone in that film,

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Speaker 3: Like I was celebrated it too much. But I'm just

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Speaker 3: so proud of everyone, but I don't know all of them.

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Speaker 3: Like it's so funny, like the feet back I've had

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Speaker 3: has been everyone's found something different in each episode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't know how the health one would

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Speaker 2: go because it's like a little bit off topic. But

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Speaker 2: I got some really nice messages about like because we

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Speaker 2: kind of deep dive, didn't we.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's universal, Like it's not just this industry,

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Speaker 2: What any industry totally. So the format of today is

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Speaker 2: basically we've got Q and a's that have come in

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Speaker 2: by you the listener so thank you. If you've written

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Speaker 2: us some questions, and then Sam and I are just

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Speaker 2: going to take turns questioning one another to do and

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Speaker 2: will both answer each question. So do you want to

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Speaker 2: kick it off or do you want me to kick

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Speaker 2: it off? Go for it? Okay, If you're coming to

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Speaker 2: la as an actor, what's the business side of things?

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Speaker 3: Like, Oh, that's a big ques that's a meaty question. Well,

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Speaker 3: it's also interesting for me to answer this because I'm

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Speaker 3: not coming here as an actor, But I think if

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Speaker 3: you're just coming here to work in the entertainment totally.

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Speaker 3: And I think this is something we've spoken about, you know,

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Speaker 1: Series, is that this is a business.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it's so easy to romanticize and

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Speaker 3: get lost in the I'm going to be creative and

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Speaker 3: I'm going to practice my craft and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: do all this amazing stuff.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's a business

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Speaker 1: and people have.

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Speaker 3: To make money off you and have they've got to

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Speaker 3: sell you, and that can be really hard and really grueling,

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Speaker 3: and I think to not lose sight of that is

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Speaker 2: And I was saying this too in Australia like I've

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Speaker 2: done so much training. It's my six year now of training.

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Speaker 2: honing your craft. What's your character's objective? How do you

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Speaker 2: have like this business savvy brain that understands how to

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Speaker 2: do like basically like a pitch deck for yourself, like

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Speaker 2: didn't know that I needed one when I got here.

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Speaker 2: You need professional headshots, you need like a voice reel,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to get all that done really expensive. And also,

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Speaker 3: you are your own brand. And I don't mean that

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Speaker 3: a clothing label. But it comes back to that thing

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Speaker 3: where people say, don't meet your idols because what you're

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Speaker 3: you're portraying, that is you can be very different to

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Speaker 3: who you are as a person.

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Speaker 2: Ah, I've never even thought of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's really important, and that's all part of

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Speaker 2: I feel like I do the wrong thing because in

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Speaker 2: any brand meeting that I have, or any like audition

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Speaker 2: that i'm as. You know, I've got a gig coming

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Speaker 2: up where it's me as Lola, not me as an

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Speaker 2: actor working on a Lola thing, which sounds very weird

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Speaker 2: saying third person. But my point is like I don't

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Speaker 2: but I'm myself. I don't change from who I am

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, And I think that's probably different for when

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Speaker 3: Highlight reel, a highlight reel, you know, and well some

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Speaker 3: portray themselves. But that's still And that's why I say

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Speaker 3: I worry using the word brand, because I don't want

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Speaker 3: to give the wrong impression. But you're still creating an

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Speaker 3: essence or a version of who you are putting out

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Speaker 3: there to the world, which we do it instinct not instinctively.

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Speaker 3: We do intuitively intuitively as human beings. When you go

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Speaker 2: You're so good at that. By the way, what be like,

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Speaker 2: was just like, well, I guess as well. It was

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Speaker 2: like catching up with so many people that you hadn't seen.

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Speaker 3: Personally, I think I was just so excited to see

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Speaker 3: the weird thing about doing a film. You will never

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Speaker 3: like when you have a good working experience, you're like

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Speaker 2: To like back with a fam or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, I think people still who knows,

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Speaker 3: like I could have had a shit day that day,

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Speaker 3: a way, not that I was putting it on. I

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Speaker 3: that version of you that you're putting forward, and you're

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Speaker 3: doing that as an actor, and that's why, you know,

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Speaker 3: so well in the show. But I know from industry

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Speaker 3: people that this person is a nightmare. Oh really, the

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Speaker 3: show itself is just a whole pr exercise.

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Speaker 1: Really, Oh, I.

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Speaker 2: Have to ask you after the show. But I also

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Speaker 2: think it's also like the way you described even like

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Speaker 2: that you're kind of in like entertainer mode, should I?

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Speaker 3: And if you think about doing press days for projects,

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Speaker 3: ask me something else? Because that'll run They'll say you're

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Speaker 3: up and be like, oh, what a great question, even

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Speaker 2: But that's why I think when actors, when you know,

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Speaker 2: but Heath Ledger eating the mandarin in the press junket

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Speaker 2: a lot of anxiety, as we know. But like, it's

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Speaker 3: Starving for God's sake.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: That's I think.

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Speaker 3: You know, the more famous you get, the more under

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Speaker 2: I also think the business, like the difference between the

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Speaker 2: to know that, yes, you are going to be rejected.

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Speaker 2: Like I was saying to him this, I've done eight

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Speaker 2: hundred self submissions on the online that is mental. It

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Speaker 2: is meant all even ignowledged it's mental, but you don't

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Speaker 2: book them like so, so basically, if a casting director

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Speaker 2: it's been like twelve or fifteen messages, which kind of

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Speaker 2: sounds okay, but like the amount of them that actually

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You've had different like sets of people that you

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Speaker 2: We don't hear those things. We just see her on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and protect yourself I guess as Wow, oh so interesting.

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Speaker 3: I don't think people understand. People are like, oh, can

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Speaker 3: And when you're shooting and running to premieres and whatever

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Speaker 3: But that's exactly what I'm talking about, you know, like,

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Speaker 1: Okay, but do you.

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Speaker 2: Do you know I've had not done it this trip,

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Speaker 2: The water level is different here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is what what happens.

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Speaker 3: the way the water moves in the level of it

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00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 3: in and also I find the lower mate, I feel

439
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 3: like I have to take a like, oh, I know list.

440
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 2: To get there.

441
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 3: It's like every toilet is built for a vertically challenged human.

442
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 3: I feel like a giant and I'm five eight.

443
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 2: You know, imagine like imagine say forty years from now,

444
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,120
Speaker 2: when where we'd be in our seventies and eighties.

445
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 3: That'd be hard work getting up. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

446
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 3: I'd have one of those rails in school.

447
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: Maybe next year I'm getting there.

448
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 2: So there are obviously a lot of differences the safety

449
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 2: thing as well, Like you feel extremely safe in Australia.

450
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 2: We've obviously got extremely different gun laws as well. Yeah yeah,

451
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 2: I feel you're you're way more fearless than me. But

452
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 2: I get a bit nervous, and you know, I get

453
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 2: real nervous at nighttime and always text you if I've

454
00:20:58,560 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: got something on at night.

455
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 3: But it can be scary. Yeah, yeah, especially for a

456
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 3: girl you know walk. Yeah, but you have to hear.

457
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 3: You know, I've never actually I wouldn't want to say

458
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 3: fear for my safety because I think that's been dramatic.

459
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 3: But I've never felt as unsafe in a country that's

460
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 3: not a third world country as I do here. And

461
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 3: it makes me really realize how lucky we are in Australia.

462
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. That I said, after spending last year

463
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: here and we were still in a very big covid

464
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 2: la last year. I would say. Someone said to me,

465
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 2: what will you never take for granted? And I said

466
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 2: the safety of Australia. Yeah, because like I can go

467
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 2: to yogs at five am in the morning when it's

468
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: still dark, doesn't matter. I could walk barefoot and Byron

469
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 2: bay no, I want to do anything. You can leave

470
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: your door unlocked, like I check the locks of everything

471
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 2: every single night, Like I shut all of my windows. Also,

472
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: I recently did, as you know, a true crime podcast

473
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: our mutual mate David the Medium DTM.

474
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they were all.

475
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 2: Like two blocks from here, the locations, you know, like

476
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 2: it just happened here, Like it's that bit is like

477
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 2: a bit I would always say, like, don't be driven

478
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: by fear, but don't be complacent here. Yeah, just be aware.

479
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then just get your head around that everything's

480
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 3: going to be double what you think it is because

481
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 3: once you pay tax and tip and then if you're

482
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: like us and you're converting Australian dollars too, oh my god,

483
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: forget it.

484
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: Do you not put my mind at ease? In the group.

485
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 2: There's actually a really great Facebook group called Aussie's in La.

486
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: You have to like apply to.

487
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 3: Be part of it.

488
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: Easy. They ask you like really basic questions.

489
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Easy. But I was like, shit, is I haven't

490
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: made any money in America yet or nothing? Really? And

491
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: someone said it takes about eighteen months yea, And I

492
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 2: thought that kind of calmed me down a little bit

493
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: because it is hard. I do think it's hard.

494
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:47,959
Speaker 3: To crack it.

495
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, and that's why so few people do.

496
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, well hopefully we do it.

497
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: Mate.

498
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 2: What's your next question?

499
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 3: Well this is kind of a good follow on too.

500
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 3: So someone has asked us how do you budget in LA?

501
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 2: Okay?

502
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: Fucked?

503
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 2: If I know so well, you will remember last year

504
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: I spent my birthday here and we went down Rodeo drived. Yeah,

505
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: so I have this time not allowed myself to go

506
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 2: anywhere near there. Yes, So I think it's about like

507
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: for me having the lens of what I'm living here

508
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: now as a permanent American resident, So I need to

509
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: go through the lens of like this is what I'm

510
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: not going to eat out all the time, Like I'm

511
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: going to cook my veggies at home. And I've I

512
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: learned really quickly. As amazing and as fun as air

513
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: one is, it's expensive.

514
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Same.

515
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: We love the salads there, but like that's got to

516
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: be a treat.

517
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 3: But then I'm like, oh my god, this is insane,

518
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 3: Like I could buy a house this week for the

519
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: amount I've spent eeron.

520
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 2: Literally I took a mate there and we just got

521
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: a few items from the hot thing and just sat

522
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 2: down and had it together. It was ninety nine US dollars.

523
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is what one hundred and fifty Ozzie there

524
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: you go to salads takeaway? Yeah, so that's good for

525
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 3: everyone listening, Like that's the kind of craziness for talking about.

526
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: But I think, look, you're good because you had a

527
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: real plan where I kind of just ended up here

528
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: like without thinking about it. But I just think you

529
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: budget the way you budget anywhere. You look at what

530
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 3: you've got what you've got coming in, what your outgoings are,

531
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 3: what your circumstances are, what you're going to need, and

532
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: you just.

533
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: Make it work.

534
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: But that's also what's kind of hard as an actor,

535
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: and even for me who where I make my income

536
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: through the pod and influencering is that a word? Influencering,

537
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? But you don't know when

538
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: your next money is coming in. That's what I'm getting

539
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: like an actor like you effectively don't know where the

540
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: next money is coming. So for me, a big one

541
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 2: was flicking from Air One or Whole Foods to Trader Joe's.

542
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 2: They've got a great organic range. I can usually do

543
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: a weak shop for about one hundred bucks, which versus

544
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 2: that that one meal that we were just talking about.

545
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: And that also I find from a health perspective, keeps

546
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: me on track a lot more because I've got everything

547
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: I need at home. You don't get hungry and then

548
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: go and shop. My mum always taught me. She was like,

549
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: never shop on a stomach, lalor you'll buy all the

550
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: snacks because that's where you waste your money.

551
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: That's so true.

552
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: But you and I are lucky because we don't drink

553
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: much either, And I just picture people that come here

554
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: and drink and party would just burn through it like

555
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 3: nothing else, and you feel like shit the whole week too.

556
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: There's a saying that people sometimes come here like hire

557
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: the fucking Ferrari or whatever, party their brains out. And

558
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: there's a saying where you come to LA and you're

559
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: having a ten grand a week LA experience. But I

560
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: do I'm glad you brought up the partying, because I

561
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 2: do know that that is a thing here. So usually

562
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: you come here chasing the dream with anything in the entertainmentdustry,

563
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: and you either like get into like hardcore work ethic

564
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: and school and that, which is kind of I feel

565
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: like it's where I've landed, versus then there's like people

566
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 2: that just are consistently partying, and a lot of actors

567
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: end up in that spiral, don't you think. I'm sure

568
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: we both know some that would have ended up in

569
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: that spot.

570
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, because it's so easy and alluring, and you

571
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: get invited to all these amazing parties for free, and

572
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 3: you around all these other people that have all this

573
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 3: money that are doing all these crazy things, and you

574
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: still go back to your studio flat, so you.

575
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: Can barely afford and you're trying to keep up all

576
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: the time, you know. Yeah, I know a few people that.

577
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: Are like that, and so I think it's like also

578
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: coming here, like you said, with a plan, but being like, Okay,

579
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to say no to a few

580
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: things that I that I don't want to be in

581
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: that situation because I want to focus on like being

582
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: clear and being my best for whether it be acting school,

583
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: whether it be an audition, whether it be for you.

584
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 2: You're always in pitching meetings, you've got to and you're

585
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: with meetings on the other side of the world, so

586
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: you've got to be on at different times of day. Yeah,

587
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: and I think it's like prioritizing why you're really here.

588
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: Yes, and still have fun.

589
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I think you've got the best balance

590
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: out of everyone I know. Oh really, Yeah, you work

591
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: really hard. You make your health a priority, like that's

592
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: I think your numeral, you know. Yeah, and then if

593
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: you get invite to something, you're like cool, Like you're

594
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: quite social as well, much more than me. I'm like a.

595
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 3: Wolf, yeah I know, but I still like I'm careful,

596
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: like if I you know, have a zoom call at

597
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 3: and I'm thirty on a Monday morning and i'mas somewhere

598
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: on Sunday, which has happened a couple of times. I'll go,

599
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: but I'll make sure that i'm home and rested and

600
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 3: ready for that zoom call, because.

601
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: Like that's just why I'm here.

602
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also I think my age and things like that,

603
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: like I'm not twenty, you know, like I think, yeah,

604
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 3: but it's still no. But I mean I think you're twenty.

605
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 3: You're so excited, You're like you're just starting your partying

606
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: years and now it's like you kind of you know

607
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 3: what to be selective about.

608
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can choose.

609
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you and I are.

610
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: The same though we're not, like you said, not drinkers,

611
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: but we can sit on one drink for the whole night.

612
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 2: Like and that's a good trick as well. If you

613
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: sit on a drink, then you're still being social, but

614
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 2: you're also not going to break the bank.

615
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

616
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a really nice Oh. Another thing is

617
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: like Ralph's, which is like the version here of like colesales, Like,

618
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 2: so you can get booze everywhere you can get a target,

619
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: you can get it at Ralph.

620
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 3: So you can get at the chemist at the pharmacy. Yeah,

621
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: that blows my mind. I'm like, how are they selling

622
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: alcohol at a chemists?

623
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: What totally is like you're here to get all your

624
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: healthy supplements and I.

625
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: Have some vitamin C and some zinc and some Cheetos. Yeah,

626
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 3: and I'll get a bottle of tequila just to wash

627
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 3: it down with.

628
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: But it's so accessible, but it is cheat you, Like,

629
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: there are like so if you buy your wine at

630
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: like Trader Joe's or Ralph, so you can get a

631
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: bottle for like seven or eight dollars. So like there

632
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: are hacks if you say, wanted to have a mate

633
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: over for.

634
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little drink or something.

635
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need to be no crazy all right, next,

636
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: que is it my turn or yours?

637
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: Remember I think it's your turn?

638
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. Is there a difference to having an agent

639
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: and or a manager in la?

640
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: Oh God, that's like such a loaded question.

641
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: Should I try and break it down or like you're

642
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: going to know how to yah go?

643
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: Now you would have you would have seren Look, it's

644
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: not necessary to have an agent and a manager, and

645
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: you'd be surprised. A lot of the top people don't

646
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: have a manager. They don't feel it's necessary. A lot

647
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: of people do have a manager. Almost everyone has an agent.

648
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: I would say, I.

649
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: Do I do you do?

650
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? One of my wins from this have you got

651
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: a manager?

652
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: No, you've just got an agent.

653
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: We're talking about America here and La, I'm not talking

654
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: about it in Australia. It's meshed together. So your manager

655
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: is your agent, your agent is your manager.

656
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: It's the one. And it's really important to here that

657
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: the manager and the agent have a good relationship because

658
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Speaker 3: they're both working together for you.

659
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Speaker 2: So is the general rule of thumb. An agent negotiated

660
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: negotiates like dollar like to the dollar, the financial deal,

661
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: whereas a manager will more like mold your career and

662
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: be like, hey, I think let's see if we can

663
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: get you doing a chemistry test with this person. I

664
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Speaker 2: think that you would work really well in this scenario.

665
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: And they kind of mold the direction you're going in.

666
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean yes in basic terms, Yeah, like

667
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: your entertainment lawyer will always do your deal, like legally,

668
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: you'll be guided by your agent, you know, in terms

669
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Speaker 3: of figures and stuff like that.

670
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: And your manager, yeah, is more.

671
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: Like it's a fine line because your agent is also

672
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: responsible for your career. But you want a manager if

673
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: you're looking for a manager that has a ton of contacts,

674
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 3: because you want someone that knows everyone.

675
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Speaker 1: You want someone that.

676
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 3: If you've written a film for you and do you

677
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: want to try and get it up and the manager says,

678
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Speaker 3: this is great that the manager can be like, you

679
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: know what, I know this person, Netflix, this person Amazon, this,

680
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: let me set up the meetings for you.

681
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Speaker 2: Swear as an agent doesn't necessarily do that.

682
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: They can, but it's more your manager that would do that.

683
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: The agent will obviously help you know where they can

684
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: as well. But yeah, I just think it's really important

685
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 3: that a manager is connected as possible.

686
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: I also think, I will say, because I'm on all

687
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: three of the casting online websites in LA, and your

688
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: agent gets a different version to what you get the actor.

689
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: So the agent gets to see the meteor stuff, the

690
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: feature films, the TV series that you don't get access to.

691
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: And so that's why an agent can get you better

692
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 2: auditions than you can usually get yourself.

693
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: Oh definitely if we're talking about yourself and an agent

694
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: one hundred yeah, yeah.

695
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, like all the auditions my agent has sent me.

696
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: They haven't. I think maybe one or two have come

697
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: up on the casting profiles, but the others I wouldn't.

698
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have even been able to see. Does that

699
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: make sense?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it does.

701
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: I feel like you have a question that is similar

702
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Speaker 2: to this.

703
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Speaker 3: Ah about Oh yeah I do. Yeah.

704
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

705
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: So someone has asked, do you need an agent to

706
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: go to a casting?

707
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: Really good question. So the answer is no, you don't.

708
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: But the issue is is you've got to get yourself

709
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: to the casting. So if you are on casting websites

710
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: like you are, Lola, you don't need an agent to

711
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: do that. And if you're invited to do a self

712
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: tape or come to a casting or whatever through that website,

713
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: then you know you've you've got that off not having

714
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: an agent. But the majority, like you were saying, the

715
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 3: media roles, the big feature films, the TV shows, all

716
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: those briefs will go out, you know, from a casting

717
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: director to an agent, and the casting director has really

718
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: good relationships with the agents. They're not really going to

719
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: waste their time on like an online audition site. And

720
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: then the agent will then put you forward and the

721
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: casting director will choose whether they want to see you

722
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: or not.

723
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Speaker 2: Can I say one little asterisk to this. I just

724
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: interviewed yesterday my mate Bonnie Pete who's on Obi wan Kenobi.

725
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: The casting director found her. She was living in Portugal,

726
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: found her through being on one of these online platforms

727
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: and were direct to the actor. How interesting that is

728
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Speaker 2: an anomoequately no, But.

729
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: As a casting director you want to find I'm the

730
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: next best thing, you know, And that happens for loads

731
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Speaker 3: of things. And I know Kirsty McGregory in Australia who

732
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: runs Magia Casting. She is brilliant at finding untapped talent

733
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: that never even thought they wanted to be an actor.

734
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Speaker 3: I mean, you look at she cast line with Nicole

735
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Speaker 3: Kiitman and it's not def fatality.

736
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's a little kid.

737
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 3: In that too, okay. And she found this completely unknown,

738
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: no agent, nothing, and she's done that for a lot

739
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Speaker 3: of films and a lot of casting directors have too.

740
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Speaker 1: But yeah, you don't like.

741
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 3: That happens all the time, and I think that's the

742
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: thing everyone's waiting just to be like spotted at them

743
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: all and then suddenly you know, I mean, you know,

744
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: you've got to be very very very lucky for that

745
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: to happen. But yeah, so look, yes you can go

746
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: to castings without an agent. Are you going to have

747
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: a better chance of getting better castings with an agent?

748
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? And one thing as a.

749
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Speaker 3: Casting director that used to really piss me off, just

750
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: the top tip. I would have people come in who

751
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: we didn't ask to see and they would be like, Hey,

752
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 3: my friend came in this morning. I just think I'd

753
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: be really good for this role. Can I come and test?

754
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: And you're like no, Like, there's a reason why we

755
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: haven't called you in. We may have three people already

756
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: that are like you that we know are better. Don't

757
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: just show up and push yourself on the house.

758
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: Is that a thing? Do people do that? Oh?

759
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

760
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Speaker 1: I mean it's.

761
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: Ambitious, but you're better then. The best way then is

762
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: that's why you also have an agent, because you need

763
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: the middleman. You say to your agent, Hey, my friend's

764
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: gone in for this casting.

765
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: I really want to go. Can you call a casting

766
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: director and try and get me in?

767
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: I did that the other day. So an audition came

768
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: up for a TV show shot in Montana. You know,

769
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: I have a love of Montana and Wyoming, and it

770
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: came up. There were three parts that had come up,

771
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: and I went to submit and then as soon as

772
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: I hit go to like the button to submit, it

773
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: was said unable to submit. So I just messaged my

774
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: agent straight away and I was like, this is sent

775
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: them screen grabs. I was like, this has come up.

776
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: I really want to audition for it. And they said, Lola,

777
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: they've just pulled the whole audition down. That's why you

778
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: can't submit. So then now not casting and they said,

779
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: She goes like, I've got I've looked in the back end.

780
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: They're only casting males right now. And I said, oh,

781
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: I really want. My dream is to be on a

782
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: set Montata and they go, great, we've noted it. But

783
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: like the other thing that as you were talking about castings,

784
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: can I say every single audition or callback, not one

785
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: has been in a casting room for me?

786
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: No, I mean it's fall here, that's online. Everything is

787
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 3: online now. I know the gift of COVID. Yeah, yeah,

788
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: which is which is great too because I think it

789
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: takes away a lot of the nerves too of being

790
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: in a room with someone else. And you know, so

791
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: I feel like for some actors that's really helpful. But

792
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: they will still pretty much if you're like the lead

793
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 3: lead in a film, like a big blockbuster, like after

794
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: a few cells.

795
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 2: So you're gonna have to go down to Paramount.

796
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: And sure they'll do chemistry tests and you'll meet the

797
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: producer directors and probably you're having a lunch and you

798
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 3: know whatever.

799
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: Like, but it's just interesting that, like the cart getting

800
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: in the casting room now is very different to how

801
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: it probably was pre COVID.

802
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: Ah, definitely, yeah, but I even think for the better.

803
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: Oh agree, Well, Like I watched this thing on Instagram

804
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: last week where Ryan Gosling was like, you sit in

805
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: a car for two hours, you rock up at this audition.

806
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: You sit down and you're sitting with a bunch of

807
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: guys look the exact same as you. You realize you

808
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: weren't the only one that thought the cowboy hat was

809
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: a good idea. He's like, and then you hear this

810
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: guy audition on a thin walk like against the thin well,

811
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: you can hear the full audition go down, and then

812
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: you try to change your think in your head how

813
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: you can change your audition to make it different to

814
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: that and better that. And then you hear them offer

815
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: the roll to Jared Leto, and you still have to

816
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: go in and do this audition and you get to

817
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: this like climactic moment of tears and whatnot, and the

818
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: person you're auditioning for takes a call and you have

819
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: to stay in that energy of crying or whatever. And

820
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: then they come back in your future audition, even though

821
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: you know they've given it to Jared Leto. And then

822
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: you get in your car and he's like, you get

823
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: a fine because there was a street sweeper, but the

824
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: audition note covered what time the street sweeper was coming by.

825
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: And then you sit in your calf another two hours

826
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: for the next audition. And that is the life of

827
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: an actor here.

828
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: It's horrible, and you know it's it's funny.

829
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 3: Jen Aniston's got a thing out at the moment they're

830
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: doing this actors interviewing actors and I can't remember who's

831
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: interviewing her. I've had a mental blank now, but it's

832
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: someone she's been in a film with and she said

833
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 3: she hated auditions.

834
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: She was the worst.

835
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: Sebastian. It's Sebastian from Ham and Tommy. It's the wind

836
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: sold a Sebastian. Stand us have such a crush on him.

837
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's brilliant. Yeah, but I you know, and that's

838
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: really interesting.

839
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 3: That's Jennifer Aniston, like she's like, I would hate it,

840
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: and especially like you know, when you're doing network television

841
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: and you would go in and you'd be a callback

842
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: and everyone would be sitting behind a glass panel and

843
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: you can't even see them, or they be in the dark,

844
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: and you just hear paper shuffles or coughs, and it's

845
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: just like you feel so alone and insignificant and like

846
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: what am I doing here? And it's Auditioning is a

847
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: skill in itself.

848
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you can do a lot of the

849
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: art courses on auditionings and how to nail it. Fun

850
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: fact about every actor on Friends, they all make fifty

851
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: five K a day in residuals.

852
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: Really a day a day. Oh my god, that's crazy.

853
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. That's why you don't need an audition anymore.

854
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: Zz how amazing.

855
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: All right, that's next.

856
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: You're next.

857
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: I think this is my final. I feel like I

858
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: feel well, I feel like I've got more do you Yeah,

859
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: but I went first, so this would make sense. Do

860
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: you have two more m yes? So this is like

861
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,479
Speaker 2: a two parter. Okay, have there been any wins since

862
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: recording this podcast series, Like, have we booked any work?

863
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: And I remember you were talking about the pitch on

864
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: the picture episode and you were scared that I was

865
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: going to jinx you. Yes, by making you talk about it,

866
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: has that progressed? Have you got any updates?

867
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? So actually I had quite a few people ask

868
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: me about this, and it's probably really interesting to talk

869
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 3: about so everyone can like hear the process of what

870
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 3: it takes to get a show up. I can't remember

871
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: where we were at when we had the when we

872
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: talked about it in our pitching episode, but I think

873
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: we were at the phase where we had sold the

874
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: idea into a production company and we were doing like

875
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: a joint agreement. So we signed a very basic preliminary

876
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: working agreement and then what we had to do, so

877
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 3: that was one round of pitching to get a production

878
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: company on board to partner with because it's a very

879
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: large project, so we need, you know, to partner with

880
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: someone to do that. And so then what happens is

881
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: then we meet with that company you know, quite a lot,

882
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 3: and we build up the idea and we create what's

883
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: called a sizzle.

884
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: So sizzle is usually a two to three minute video like.

885
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 3: A teaser, like a teaser like obviously the show hasn't

886
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: been made, but it gives you a feel for what

887
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: style of the show is going to be, how it's

888
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: going to look, what the content is like, what is

889
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: this about?

890
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: And you develop another pitch deck.

891
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: More in depth, more in depth that matches the sizzles.

892
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 3: So it's like, Okay, we can really see how this

893
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: is going to work now. And then once we've done that,

894
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: we then have to then get a streaming service on board,

895
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 3: so we then have to go and pitch again to.

896
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: All different streaming services.

897
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: I think we did ten pitches.

898
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: Can I ask if they were in real life or

899
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: on Zoom?

900
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: It was a combination.

901
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: I would always suggest if you can do it in

902
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: real life, do it in real life, and that was

903
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: our preference because it's so much more impactful if you

904
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: can be in the room with something. But you know,

905
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: these are the times we had stuff, you know, booked

906
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: with Netflix. Netflix team had COVID, so that was on Zoom.

907
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 3: Other people we did it face to face.

908
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: It just depends.

909
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: But you go through this whole process and the pitch

910
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: is it's almost like we were talking about before doing

911
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: an interview where you're doing a film press tour. The

912
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: pitch is the same, you know, but you've got to

913
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 3: keep it fun and interesting and.

914
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: Like it's the first time you've pitched it.

915
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 3: And then what happens is once you've done that pitch,

916
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: then you get a you know, a streaming service on

917
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 3: board or a network or whatever it might be.

918
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: It might be a combination.

919
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: And then for this project in particular, we have to

920
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: go away and do a feasibility study of how is

921
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: this going to work as a show, because it's never

922
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: been done before. How is this going to look, how

923
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: is it going to work, what's it going to cost,

924
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: what's the schedule look like, you know, all of this

925
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: because it's not just like a straight down the line.

926
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: It's not like a format you can copy from something else.

927
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: And so then once we've got that together, we then

928
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: have to come back and pitch to the streaming service

929
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: or network or both again. So this is now another

930
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: pitch of how this is going to work from a

931
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: feasibility point of view, and then once that all gets

932
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 3: greenlit and approved, then we go and make the show.

933
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: But that's why we were saying in a pitching episode,

934
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 3: it's you don't just pitch once and it's all over

935
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: and it doesn't matter who you are, You've got to

936
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 3: go through these steps of pitching. Like it's just such

937
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: a way of life in this industry. So the pitch never.

938
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: So where can you say where it's at now?

939
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well I don't know. I don't want to jinx it. Yeah,

940
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: we're getting there. Let's just say we're getting there.

941
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 3: But this is we started developing this show October last year,

942
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 3: So what are we in March?

943
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: So this is actually still a reasonably.

944
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: We're not in March. No, what are we July? Fourth

945
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: of July.

946
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: So even though this is still a quick you know,

947
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,479
Speaker 3: people can be developing shows and pitching shows for years

948
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: because we talked about Queen's gam but I think it

949
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: was ten years before they've got our thirty years or

950
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: something crazy. So this is the thing. So we're we're

951
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: getting there. We're getting there.

952
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 2: Thank you for that update. I love it. I love it. Okay,

953
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 2: what's your next question?

954
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: What about any wins though? Is there any wins?

955
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: Well, I've done two short films.

956
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was good.

957
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: I've booked three commercials and all of them got canceled.

958
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: Twenty four hours before I've got a shoot this Friday,

959
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: like filming thing, but I'm very much low. I get

960
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: to be myself, which is a bit exciting for me

961
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: because I I think I will feel like is it

962
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: the saying a duck to water? Like, I think I'll

963
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: really enjoy that because I just get to be me.

964
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to worry about accents or mannerisms.

965
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 3: You yeahually yourself, which some actors hate, by the way.

966
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I quite like. So I didn't act in class

967
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 2: last week, and you have to be in American dialect

968
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: the whole way through, and I didn't realize it was

969
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: a big, full day class and it was also an

970
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 2: audition to get into the school, and I got invited

971
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: into the master class, like the the top top.

972
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah that's so good.

973
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just a little lucky. You have trained

974
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: your butt off just enjoy So I'm really excited to

975
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 2: do more of that. And then I start all voice

976
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: training this week.

977
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

978
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: Video games, we're doing this weekend, like voices for video games.

979
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 2: So I don't know if I'm gonna have to sound

980
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 2: like a monster or like.

981
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: I've never voiced a video game, but I imagine it

982
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 3: would be very similar to you know, animation.

983
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a way.

984
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: I just really loved the teacher when I did the

985
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: animation course, and I just think, I know this sounds weird,

986
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 2: but like doing all these auditions and getting a lot

987
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: of nose and a lot of like learning fills me up.

988
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: And doing something where it's new and you're in the booth,

989
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: you're like having just you're working with a direct like

990
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 2: it's it's just so fun and it kind of like

991
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: it refills up my cup when you know this constant

992
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 2: grind of like every day, I like, I have my

993
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: coffee and I do all my submissions and so it's

994
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 2: just it's a nice like balance to the It's almost

995
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: like self care in a weird kind of way.

996
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: And you're being productive and you're adding another string to

997
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: your bow and all of this helps. Like you don't

998
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 3: know when you're going to tap into that even in acting.

999
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: It might have been in voice work. You know, you

1000
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: might be doing a role that some you can tap

1001
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 3: into something that you've learned there, or you just you

1002
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: just don't know.

1003
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: So much fun and they cap the classes at eight,

1004
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: so it's really like that's one great thing I've noticed

1005
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: since COVID and even the course of it on the weekend.

1006
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: It was only last week, so it's only ten of us,

1007
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: so I got to go up five times good. And

1008
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: so you're constantly getting work and coaching and just I

1009
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: must say, as an Australian in Los Angeles, like it

1010
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 2: is a bit of a superpower because they automatically like, oh, cool,

1011
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: cute accent, Like it is a that does that's very

1012
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: much a myth, that is true, like it does exist.

1013
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 3: Well, you're not single, but I can tell you.

1014
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: Really they love oh wow, dang it.

1015
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 3: Which is weird because it's like we're not an anomaly here,

1016
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: like there's so many of us, but they still act

1017
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: as if like you've just come from the outback and

1018
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 3: you've got a bloody, you know, crocodile behind you, and

1019
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 3: it's like who is this ARSI?

1020
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, oh, you're an arsy. So good.

1021
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: Okay.

1022
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: So another question I've got is does staying connected to

1023
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: family or a partner help when you're in LA.

1024
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: So we've both had experience with this, So do you

1025
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 2: do you want to say that you were just saying

1026
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: like you've been hanging.

1027
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 3: With your Yeah, my mum's here to visit and it's

1028
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: just ceasy, and it's just that it's that comfort, that

1029
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: sense of like, I mean, you know, we've known each

1030
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 3: other our whole life, and it's just someone to bounce

1031
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: something off. That's not like a friend, that's not just

1032
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 3: I don't know that just I don't know how to

1033
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: explain it.

1034
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 1: But I think I think to answer this.

1035
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: Person's question is like, yeah, I think it's important in life,

1036
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 3: not just in LA.

1037
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: So I was listening to a podcast with someone I

1038
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 2: have a massive crush on. Don't Worry Boss knows. He's

1039
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: the actor out of Top Gun that plays Hangman, Glen Powell.

1040
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: Ye.

1041
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: So Jim Matt went and saw Top Gun and he's like,

1042
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: you know how you've got a crush on Hangman and

1043
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: I go yeah, and he goes, well, he doesn't look like.

1044
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: I'm just about to say that. They're like, you couldn't

1045
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 3: get more opposite. He goes cause your taste change.

1046
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like, you're the novelle Boss,

1047
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: like you're.

1048
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: The special ball pass.

1049
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: So like, oh, yeah, thanks, we'll just we've got that

1050
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: on the record. But my point is I was listening

1051
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 2: this Great pot cast with him and he said los

1052
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: Angeles is literally designed to kick you out, like it

1053
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: is designed to make you fail. No one cares if

1054
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: you leave. And he said, so having your family, he's like,

1055
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: whether it's a brother, a sister, a mum and dad,

1056
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: your significant other like an uncle or not, there needs

1057
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: to be someone that gets you, that has got your back.

1058
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: And he said that is the key to not getting

1059
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: eaten up by La And for me, obviously that is Matt.

1060
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: But when I first got here, you will remember there

1061
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: are a few hiccups for me. You very much helped

1062
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 2: me through.

1063
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: A few of them.

1064
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 2: But I remember I said to Matt, I said, oh

1065
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: my god, this is so hard without you. You're physically here,

1066
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: and which is why I'm so excited to next to you,

1067
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: be here with him, because I just think, like you

1068
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: do get little like nicks, like there's little falls, there's

1069
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: little bumps in the road. But having like a teammate

1070
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: and it can be like it doesn't need to be

1071
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: a partner, it could be your best mate. But I

1072
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: was talking to a mate you called me up for

1073
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: like romantic advice, and I said, I said, oh, you're

1074
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: getting I'm like, you're caught in the passion of it all.

1075
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: Which is fun and great. And I said, but a

1076
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: real teammate is like, imagine you're walking down the street,

1077
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: but you're dressed as a superhero and you've got this

1078
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: cape on that no one else can see but you.

1079
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: So everyone things look like a normal human, but you

1080
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: and your teammate can see you as a superhero. And

1081
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: I think that like having a teammate is like this

1082
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: invisible superhero cape or outfit, and it's like you two

1083
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 2: get each other and then you're stronger and have this

1084
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: like it's a really hippy, weird way of saying it,

1085
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: but you kind of like have this superpower because you've

1086
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 2: got this support network.

1087
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I.

1088
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: Think that's what I've loved, Like I checking with Matt,

1089
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: like I don't know how many times a day, you know,

1090
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 2: like being able to have that person that like unconditionally

1091
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 2: loves you but also has your back.

1092
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's something you're doing together.

1093
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: Yes, and both being creatives. Like I think also if

1094
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: that person that you turn to has a similar interest

1095
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: or understands like your job is weird, right, you are

1096
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: a producer, but you're pitch You're essentially selling and pitching

1097
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: and doing and then all of a sudden, you're in

1098
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: creative mode. You're not in business mode. You're in like

1099
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: we're shooting this amazing thing. You're on set, you're doing

1100
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: mega days, and I know you love that. Yeah, but

1101
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: like having someone that understands what that is. I think

1102
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: that that's really important.

1103
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: But I almost think they don't even need to understand

1104
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 3: it if they're just there and they're supportive in whatever

1105
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: way they can be.

1106
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I just know that with Matt, because he's

1107
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: composer and editor and everything. He understands like the creative

1108
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: side of it. Like I got a call the other

1109
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: night and they're like, Hey, we're going to cast you

1110
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: in our short Congrats you're our first pick, which was

1111
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: a lie. By the way, It's like you're our first peek.

1112
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: You're gonna play Sarah. And I was like, oh, amazing.

1113
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: As improval or a descripted Have I told you this story?

1114
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: I don't think, And they're like, no, there's a script.

1115
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: I've just emailed it through to you. Ah, yes, And

1116
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: I go great, I got thirty in page script. Cool,

1117
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 2: when do you want to shoot at ten am tomorrow?

1118
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: And I was like okay, so I would have to

1119
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: wipe my whole day. Like what if you and I

1120
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: were podcasting or something, but like I had to cancel

1121
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 2: the day, then I would have had to do an

1122
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 2: all nighter to get this script down, which I still

1123
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: would have been rustled and dialect correct. They want it

1124
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: in American and I had to flick to American on

1125
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: the phone to him and then I go, what's the

1126
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: rate and he goes fifty dollars. At the end of

1127
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: the day, twelve hour shoot, and Matt said to me.

1128
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: I said to Matt, oh my god, I just said

1129
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 2: no to a gig. And he goes, WHOA And I

1130
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: told him that story and he goes, are you fucking kidding?

1131
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: Of course you said no. That is that is like

1132
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 2: totally taking advantage of you.

1133
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 3: Well, the most concerning thing for me about all of

1134
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 3: that is, look, if you do stuff for free, you've

1135
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: done stuff for free. That's what people do when you're

1136
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: starting out and trying to meet people, is that they're

1137
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 3: calling you the day before at five pm at five

1138
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: pm for a ten like that just screams red flags

1139
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: to me, unless they said, listen, this is the deal.

1140
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 3: We've got all this set up. We had this girl,

1141
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: she was fantastic, she's got COVID. We've seen your reel.

1142
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: We know it's a big ask, you know, and like

1143
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: sound like they know what they're doing. But that just

1144
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 3: sounds like a fucking shit fight. Oh my god.

1145
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: So I think like having but because Matt understand like

1146
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: is a creative as well and understands like he's composing

1147
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: for a TV shot the moment, so he gets what

1148
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 2: goes into it. He gets sent the dailies and all

1149
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, and he's he was just like,

1150
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: no way would you put yourself through that?

1151
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 3: Yes, But also now.

1152
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: That I've done a few shorts, you can met my

1153
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: bottom dollar, I'm not doing as many shorts because I'm like, great,

1154
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 2: I've learnt those lessons. I've been on sets and now

1155
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 2: it's like you go, it's like, how do you get

1156
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: to the next lesson?

1157
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1158
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: I know that's a really roundabout way of answering that,

1159
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: But I do think I understand what you're saying that

1160
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: they don't need it to totally understand the industry and

1161
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: the career, but they totally need to get you.

1162
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 3: You Yeah, yeah, definitely, I think it helps.

1163
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: I think it helps with life.

1164
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah ah yeah, yeah, yeah, will you ever come home?

1165
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: I get asked his heats. I get asked his heat.

1166
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: Do you get asked this?

1167
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah all the time. Well when are you coming home?

1168
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: So for me, I've got speaking gigs in Australia in

1169
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: September and October, so I'll be back in September.

1170
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1171
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: I'm a permanent American resident and an Australian citizen. So

1172
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: at the moment, I'm kind of doing a halfy, you know,

1173
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 2: like ye do about six months year. I do about

1174
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: six months there. But I am a bit like you.

1175
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: I chase work, so what about you?

1176
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, of course I'll come home, but it's

1177
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: the same thing.

1178
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1179
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: I'm just like it depends on my work schedule and

1180
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 3: what's going on and what else he's happening, and you know,

1181
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: trying to sort that all out. But no, I love Australia,

1182
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 3: you know, like ideally I'd love to spend three four

1183
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: months a year in Australia and the rest here or

1184
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 3: just in between jobs.

1185
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 1: If I can get a break, go home, doesn't matter

1186
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: what time of year.

1187
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 3: It is my friend to my family, and I just

1188
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 3: like Australia's to my home. This is like my work home,

1189
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 3: but Australia is my home home.

1190
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: I'm on the same page as you one hundred million.

1191
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: Like I love going back to Byron and just being.

1192
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: In nature in recharging.

1193
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the other thing with LA. It's amazing,

1194
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: but it does burn you out, whether you realize it

1195
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 2: or not. Just driving.

1196
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1197
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 3: But I didn't realize until I went away last week

1198
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: how much I needed it. I was like, oh God, like, okay,

1199
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: you just need that, you know, little like refresher like

1200
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: to get out.

1201
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: Oh I can I can feel it now. So I've

1202
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 2: been here four months. Yeah, and I spent four and

1203
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: a half months here last here and I'm like, oh no,

1204
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 2: I can feel I can feel that. I need that,

1205
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 2: like reconnecting to my boyfriend mother nature.

1206
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 3: And also like you're so in the thicker nature where

1207
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 3: you are in Byron Bay and you just don't get

1208
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 3: that here, Like of course there's nature, but it's not

1209
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 3: the same.

1210
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,959
Speaker 2: Do you know what I do think COVID has done

1211
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: for the better. Like in the past the rule was

1212
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: get to a late and stay there and stick it

1213
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: out and just be there pound the pavement, which is

1214
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: exactly what we're doing. But because of COVID and because

1215
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: so like callbacks are now on zoom and what I

1216
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: do think that that is a little bit more flexible

1217
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 2: and fluid.

1218
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

1219
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: And I and even talking to a mate yesterday that

1220
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 2: lives part in a different country, same situation as me,

1221
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: green cart and stuff. She was like, yeah, you'll feel

1222
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: every now and then that you just need to go

1223
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: back and get out of LA recharge and then you just.

1224
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: Come back to LA and that's okay too.

1225
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: And she said she booked most of her gigs out

1226
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: of the country. Isn't that fine, and then just comes

1227
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: back in for them.

1228
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1229
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it interesting? It is? That's what I think.

1230
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: There's no rules.

1231
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no right. As I was saying you before

1232
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: that it's not one path one hundred percent percent. This

1233
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 3: is a cute one. When you face doing something scary

1234
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,959
Speaker 3: or unknown, what makes you take the leap?

1235
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: So for me, I would say therapy so that I

1236
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: can like process whatever is making me scary scared first,

1237
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: and then you just jun't like I quite like feeling

1238
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: scared and jumping like like I'm really nervous about this

1239
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: filming gig on Friday, But like do you know how

1240
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: cool I'm going to forre not cool, how happy I'm

1241
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: going to feel first thing Saturday morning knowing I've achieved

1242
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: that thing, no matter what the outcome is, So my

1243
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: brain can somehow go, do you know how? Like, yes,

1244
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: I'll be anxious and nervous in the leader, like I'm

1245
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: forty eight hours out now and I'm nervous. But then

1246
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: then the reward will be that feeling like hey, I

1247
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 2: did that thing that was really scary and I've actually

1248
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: grown as a result of it, or I understand this

1249
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: new thing as a result of doing that scary thing.

1250
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: I feel that with every acting class.

1251
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: I yeah, what about you? Look, I think it's really

1252
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: interesting because I think I have to remind myself that

1253
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 3: everyone gets scared, scared and nervous. It's not just me,

1254
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't matter who you are, Like you can

1255
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: have Like I was talking to someone the other day,

1256
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 3: really well known actor. They hate doing press, hate it.

1257
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: Oh that's common, which is very common because some actors

1258
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: are introvert and I'm like.

1259
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and exactly this person said that to me. They're like,

1260
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: I'm an introvert and also I get so nervous, like

1261
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 3: incredibly nervous. Like I can get on set and be fine.

1262
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: I get so nervous because I have to be myself

1263
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: and I don't know what questions are you going to

1264
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: throw at me. I get the worst anxiety. And this

1265
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 3: person I know will avoid press at all costs, you know.

1266
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 3: And this is common though, but it's common. But it's like,

1267
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 3: man like that through me because I'm like, I would

1268
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 3: never have thought you are such a confident person, such

1269
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: a confident actor. You have such a high profile. It's

1270
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 3: not rebel, by the way, just for everyone listening, you.

1271
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: Know, I'll be asking you as soon as you press.

1272
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, like that really, And I

1273
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: think it's remembering those things.

1274
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: It's like we're all humans, we all get nervous, we

1275
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: all get.

1276
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: Scared all and for me, I kind of feel like

1277
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: it's a bit what you were saying. It's not easy

1278
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 3: for me to take the leap or to take the risk.

1279
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 3: It is difficult. It does scare me, it does make me,

1280
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: you know, my pants. But what I keep thinking is

1281
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 3: there's never going to be the right time. I'm never

1282
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 3: going to feel like, oh I can you know, like

1283
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 3: I'm not scared now, I'm not nervous now, so I

1284
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 3: almost have to push myself to do it, to get

1285
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: to that point where I'm like, you know what, even

1286
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: if I fall on my ass, I fall on my ass.

1287
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 3: I'd rather fall my ass than not have done it.

1288
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 3: And always wonder I wish I'd gone for that interview.

1289
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 3: I wish I'd done that. Whatever it is, no regrets,

1290
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 3: no regrets.

1291
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: I've just really reading Brian Cox's book, you know, Succession.

1292
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: The lead actor of Succession, he won't do a press well,

1293
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: like a red carpet. He's like, I don't like it.

1294
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: I don't like seeing myself in it. He's like, if

1295
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 2: they make me do the red carpet, I'll do it

1296
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: and leave. Like He's like, I don't stay for me.

1297
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: He's like, it's not out of being. I know so

1298
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: many people like that, too good for it. He's like,

1299
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: I just don't like it. Doesn't make me feel comfortable.

1300
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because he's a theater kid, so he

1301
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: feels obviously really at home in theater and whatnot. But

1302
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: just so interesting, isn't it.

1303
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 3: Well, we're all human beings, laws and insecurities and you know,

1304
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 3: and sometimes even if you're you know, a lister, your

1305
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 3: insecurity is worse than anyone who's.

1306
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: Not because, like you said, the microscope.

1307
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 3: Magnified and yeah, so I think the trick to that

1308
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 3: is just it's that saying, isn't it face to fear

1309
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 3: and do it anyway?

1310
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like it's like feel it and jump.

1311
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 3: Like I think people are like, I shouldn't be this nervous,

1312
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: Just like, no, you should and it's okay, yeah, and

1313
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: just be like I am this nervous, but I'm going

1314
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 3: to do what I can do.

1315
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: I do a little hack like what your dad used

1316
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: to do when you do public speaking, and you know,

1317
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: you said your dad would sometimes like drop something on

1318
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 2: the way up to the stage or trip or something.

1319
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: Often when I get if I'm feeling nervous before a

1320
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: speaking gig, I'll be like, hey, my name's Lola. Nice

1321
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: to see straight out of the gate, I'm really nervous. Yeah,

1322
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: and I'll just say it, not to necessarily get the

1323
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: audience on my side or anything, but just to like,

1324
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: once you call it out, it's quite empowering.

1325
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, because you're like it's an

1326
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 3: even playing field now.

1327
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to pretend to be some I know I'm.

1328
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: Nervous, so I feel like more real or something.

1329
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,959
Speaker 1: Last one, Lola, Yeah, just came in. Did it hurt

1330
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: falling from Heaven?

1331
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: Oh, that's definitely for you. How do you know it's

1332
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: anonymous that was on your install?

1333
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 3: I'm sure, yes, I'm bruised very badly.

1334
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: Can I I just I've heard this quote a lot

1335
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: from actors, and I just thought, oh, I cletally want

1336
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: to touch on it. And I never believed it until

1337
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: I got here. But a lot of actors go, if

1338
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 2: you can do anything else other than act, please do it,

1339
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: because it is so much rejection, it is so hard.

1340
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: The chances of you were making it are never like

1341
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: you're not probably not going to make it, like I

1342
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: think the success rate is two percent something like that.

1343
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: And I never believed it. I was like, no, no, like

1344
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: you just get you grit, you know you you make

1345
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: the connections, you work really hard, and it's like no, no, no,

1346
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: that is true. And so unless it is your one

1347
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: hundred percent rite or die, you know you have to

1348
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: do this or it's the only thing you want to do,

1349
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: there is no backup plan. Then if you have a

1350
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 2: backup crif you're like, yeah, I want to do acting,

1351
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 2: but I also want to be a fashion designer, and

1352
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: I also want to be a nurse. Whatever do them.

1353
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: And I didn't believe that until I've been in it,

1354
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: and I would say one hundred percent yes, like you

1355
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: need to feel so driven from your heart and your

1356
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: mind but like to really want this. And it's made

1357
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: me realize, yeah, I really want this. But it's also

1358
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: I realize it's okay if it doesn't look how I like,

1359
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be the next Margot Robbie. I'm

1360
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 2: already too old. Like it's not going to happen for

1361
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: me that way. It's going to be like get in

1362
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 2: being a host or I get in being a voice

1363
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: or something. It's going to be different. And I just

1364
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: think that's come from, yes, that wanting to do it

1365
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: no matter what, but also being okay with however it looks.

1366
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: Look.

1367
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 3: I think you have to be smart about it too.

1368
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 3: And I think you know you're in a position at

1369
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 3: the moment where you don't have kids, you're not married,

1370
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 3: but you've got a long term partner we can call

1371
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: them that. Yeah, And I think, like absolutely I agree

1372
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 3: with what you're saying, Like if you're passionate about it

1373
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 3: and go hell for leather and give it everything you've got,

1374
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 3: but you've also got to be smart about it, and

1375
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 3: what's the fallback option?

1376
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: And especially if you've got kids.

1377
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 3: You know, I know people that want to be actors

1378
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 3: and directors and they're now forty something and still haven't

1379
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 3: quite made it, and it's like, okay, but you've got

1380
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 3: to think now if you don't. I'm not saying you

1381
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 3: won't make it, be amazing, like everyone's rooting for you,

1382
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 3: but if you don't, how are you going to send

1383
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 3: your kids to school and feed them? And because they

1384
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 3: got a whole life ahead of them. So I think

1385
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say. I would say, if acting is your

1386
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 3: passion and you really want to do it, throw yourself

1387
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 3: into it. But it doesn't hurt to have something on

1388
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 3: the side, or to acting to be your side, you know,

1389
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 3: or if you're young and you don't need decide, great,

1390
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 3: But at some point I think you've got to try

1391
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 3: and be smart about it. And I'm not saying give

1392
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: up the faith or anything like that. I'm just saying,

1393
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 3: you know, you don't want to end up at forty

1394
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,439
Speaker 3: five in a heap. You've got no skills, you're unemployable,

1395
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 3: you're still not making it as an actor.

1396
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: And then well, what.

1397
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: You've just said exists. We know people that are exactly

1398
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: what you just said. Yeah, it fully exists. And like

1399
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: even for me, like I keep doing influencer work because like, sure,

1400
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: it's not going to win me an oscar or get

1401
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 2: me an emmy norm, but it brings like it means

1402
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: that I can support myself while I'm here.

1403
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know what I mean? Like and even

1404
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 3: like that's what I mean, Like you're smart about it,

1405
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 3: you know, Well.

1406
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: Almost comes back to what we were saying at the start,

1407
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: finding the combination of business and craft, and like that

1408
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 2: business plan means, yes, I want to be an actor.

1409
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: But like even for me, I'm like, but what's my

1410
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: skill set? What skill sets do I have that can

1411
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 2: help me work in this field? That might and it'll

1412
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 2: take a few like left jumps to get back to

1413
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: where I want to get. And I think it's about

1414
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: being really yes, work your butt off, it's the hardest

1415
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 2: thing you'll ever do in your life. But also I think,

1416
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: but also be like, Okay, well what else am I

1417
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: good at? Because that is in the industry, Because that

1418
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: will bring you in money, still fill you up, and

1419
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: it might just mean that you take a little weird

1420
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: step to the left to get to the top. I

1421
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: don't know if that makes sense.

1422
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it does.

1423
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 3: And I was just about to say that, like even

1424
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 3: if it's something still in the industry, you know, I

1425
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 3: think of rich Delia, who started off as an actor.

1426
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: He's the casting director.

1427
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: He spoke about him in previous episodes if you haven't

1428
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 3: listened to them. He casts King Richard and see he's amazing.

1429
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: He's amazing.

1430
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 3: Everyone loves being in his room because he was an

1431
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 3: actor first and he just found this passion in casting

1432
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 3: and he's so good at it. But he also is

1433
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 3: so great with the actor. So you just don't know

1434
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 3: how it's going to translate. So it doesn't mean if

1435
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 3: you're not going to be an actor you have to

1436
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 3: be driving trucks. No, you could work in production, you

1437
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 3: could do well. You trained as an actor, many things,

1438
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 3: did you not. I wouldn't say I trained like I'd

1439
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,439
Speaker 3: done a few class like courses, but I wouldn't say

1440
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 3: I like properly. So I trained as a presenter, a

1441
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 3: TV presenter definitely.

1442
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: And direct.

1443
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 3: What did you do with yeah, and I went to

1444
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 3: film school and studied directing and producing.

1445
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeeah.

1446
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely so interesting.

1447
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 3: But it reminds me of that quote and I can't remember,

1448
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 3: but we were talking about it before and it's going around

1449
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 3: Instagram at the moment, and it's so fantastic because it's

1450
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 3: about not putting pressure on yourself and it's it's this

1451
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 3: guy says life isn't short.

1452
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: It's long.

1453
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 3: And you know, he didn't write his first book till

1454
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 3: he was forty three, he didn't make his first million

1455
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 3: until he's fifty, he didn't fall in love until he

1456
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 3: was sixty. I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but you know, I think,

1457
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 3: especially now with social media and all the rest of it,

1458
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,479
Speaker 3: you've got these like twenty year olds and thirty year olds.

1459
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 3: Even you know, forty year old has been like, oh

1460
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 3: my god, my life's over. I haven't done anything yet.

1461
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 3: You can do stuff at eighty six. You don't know

1462
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 3: where your life's going to go, what turn it's going

1463
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 3: to take, what you know, And I think also just

1464
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 3: to like take some pressure off yourself, especially for highly

1465
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 3: motivated and driven people like you and I I think

1466
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 3: it's it's it's really interesting to be like, oh yeah,

1467
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 3: like I've still got like so much of my life

1468
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 3: to live, and something could happen tomorrow or the next day.

1469
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 3: You don't know, you don't know what's going to happen

1470
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 3: next to lose sight of that.

1471
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I love that. I have a quote too,

1472
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 2: Can I share it?

1473
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1474
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: It's a Paul Newman quote. So it's like a whole goal.

1475
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 2: You know Paul Newman, right, olden golden actor. He was

1476
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: in like the Hustler the.

1477
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 3: Sea, Wait to see how the salad dressings. Yeah, that's him.

1478
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: An entrepreneur, yes, yes, yes, yes, but towering inferno like

1479
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 2: be in like sixties seventies right, and gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous.

1480
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 2: And I saw this quote on Insta. Dreams without movement

1481
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: are delusions, escapes, kids play. You have to put your

1482
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: feet into your dreams if they're ever going to be

1483
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: a reality. Which I think that is cool. Like that

1484
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: comes back to that grind, like that hard work of

1485
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 2: just like my old my old, old old agent from

1486
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 2: years and years ago used to be like you got

1487
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: to pound the pavement in La. It's all about just

1488
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: like doing the work.

1489
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it reminds me again, I'm such an unreliable source.

1490
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 3: But of another quote which I can't remember.

1491
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 2: I like the one we were talking about there Mark

1492
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: Boris one today as well.

1493
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 3: What was that one that's about.

1494
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 2: Not wasting time and time is a non renewable resource.

1495
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 3: Yes, and this quote was very similar. So it was like,

1496
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 3: and I don't agree with this completely, but they were

1497
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 3: saying something like, don't if you've got to like have

1498
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 3: a plan, always have a plan, and the plan can change,

1499
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 3: which I mean I live by that, like I have

1500
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 3: to have a plan, even sometimes at the moment it's

1501
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 3: quite hard for me to plan, but I've still got

1502
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 3: a kind of rough rightea. But they were saying, don't

1503
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 3: go and do a gap year, don't go and do that.

1504
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 3: Do something, Yeah, do something, and even if it's not

1505
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 3: what you want to do, you don't know where that's

1506
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 3: going to lead and who you're going to meet and

1507
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 3: where that will go on to, you know, in the future.

1508
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: And I agree.

1509
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's such thing as burnout, and

1510
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 3: I think sometimes you know, like you can burn out.

1511
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 3: I got that you actually need like, but I like, yeah, no, no, completely,

1512
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 3: I think there's all different levels of it.

1513
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a friend of the moment.

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Speaker 3: They run a business for forever, totally consumed by very successful,

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01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 3: but they just need it, like they are really like

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01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 3: at the point where it's like and I think, for them, sure,

1517
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 3: go take six months off, you know, but I think

1518
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 3: if you're starting out, and look, there's no right or wrong.

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01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 3: I'm not saying don't take a gap year. But it

1520
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 3: really resonated with me because there's so many things that

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01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 3: I've done where I thought I don't want to do

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01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 3: this or why am I doing this? And then I've

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01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 3: met someone or something else has come off at or

1524
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 3: if I hadn't done that, I wouldn't have been and

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01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 3: I think, to keep doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I will you and I thrive off that.

1527
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 2: But also like for me, I was like shippers. In

1528
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: this last four months, I've done improv training and amation, voiceover,

1529
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 2: sitcom multicam training.

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Speaker 3: Yeah but you're a freak, like but I love learning.

1531
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, look I do too, but you are

1532
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 3: just it's amazing. But also you're not not even your

1533
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 3: determination but just you're almost resilience.

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would say resilience is probably my superpower

1536
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 2: for sure. But I've learned that like even though I'm

1537
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 2: not making an American income at the moment. It's so

1538
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 2: nice to go, well, yeah, I am going to watch

1539
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 2: them the way I spend my money for the next

1540
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 2: few weeks and make sure I do all my shops

1541
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 2: at Trader Joe's because it's a little bit cheaper. But

1542
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 2: then put the money that I've saved effectively into an

1543
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 2: acting class and so I really like that's kind of

1544
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 2: like my reward to myself. Yeah, and for me when

1545
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: I'm learning, I feel like I'm not wasting time that

1546
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 2: when we talk about that renewable resource, Like even before

1547
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 2: Sam and I hit record, we'll always have a catch

1548
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: up and it's actually a really important part of us

1549
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 2: recording because we haven't seen each other for a while.

1550
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 2: We build a bit of camaraderie and then we hit

1551
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 2: record and so like I'm always I don't see things

1552
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 2: as ever wasted. Does that make sense?

1553
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1554
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And the same goes for LA. I would say,

1555
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 2: like come with a bit of savings or do you

1556
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: date Universal and Disneyland and all those things. But you're

1557
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 2: going to probably get more by being in class if

1558
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 2: you're wanting to be an actor. But there are so

1559
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 2: many courses for like producing, directing.

1560
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: And you can never stop learning.

1561
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at the top top actors that they still

1562
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 3: get an acting coach and they work with acting coach

1563
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 3: two three, four weeks before they're required on set. What

1564
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 3: about that guy that you were acting school with who's

1565
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 3: on a billboard down this sunset strip, Yet he's still

1566
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 3: turning up to class Like it just as soon as

1567
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 3: you become well known or your lead in a film,

1568
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean you stop training.

1569
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 2: Like That's one thing that I love about acting, and

1570
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: that's how I know I will act, is like I

1571
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 2: know that I'll never stop training for the rest of

1572
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 2: my life, Like I just know that. It also when

1573
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 2: it comes back to that question about fear, like I

1574
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 2: get that feeling of fear before every class, no matter what,

1575
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: and then the feeling you get after it, that elation

1576
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 2: of like, hey, I just did something really uncomfortable learn X, Y,

1577
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 2: and Z, and I'm actually a better person for it.

1578
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm all for learning and skilling up.

1579
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 3: I think it's important. Oh absolutely absolutely. That was our

1580
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 3: ask us anything, sir, that's it.

1581
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: That's our last episode.

1582
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 2: So fun. Thank you so much for being part of

1583
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 2: Sam and Lola in La La Land. That was birth

1584
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: from a hike year ago.

1585
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 3: It's been so much fun, and thank you everyone who's

1586
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 3: like listened, and.

1587
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah to the listener, thank you for being part of

1588
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 2: this journey. It's it's been a lot of fun and

1589
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 2: it's just been such a joy. Wednesday episodes will continue,

1590
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 2: but they will be hot seats which I need to talk, interviews.

1591
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 3: Fantastic, so big love and thank you, love guys. The

1592
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 3: last little sign off from Lala Land. Thanks see see

1593
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 3: you guys.