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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio is Nathan Finn, the president

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Speaker 1: of the Northern Territory Police Association.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Finny, Good morning Katie, and good morning to

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Speaker 2: your listeners. I'm a little bit nervous today capable to

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Speaker 2: come in and have a quick chat. I haven't chatted

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Speaker 2: you for a while, but it's never quick when there's

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Speaker 2: never any questions or topics.

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Speaker 3: You're Michael, what's she going to ask me?

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Speaker 1: Well, well, well let's see now. I look mate, I

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Speaker 1: was keen to have a chat to you because over

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Speaker 1: the weekend we've obviously seen these disturbances in what We've

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Speaker 1: had a situation where in one case there was up

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Speaker 1: to two hundred people involved in a big brawl fighting

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Speaker 1: three hundred then we've got two homes, as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: or two houses that have been burnt down. Now, there's

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Speaker 1: been a few situations or a few times from my

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Speaker 1: oc spray to calm things down after projectiles are.

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Speaker 3: Thrown at them. To be honest, it sounds bloody, dangerous, sturbingting.

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Speaker 2: Whenever our police officers have to respond to these types

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Speaker 2: of incidents, we do get concerned for their own safety.

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Speaker 2: This relates back to numbers and numbers in remote regions

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Speaker 2: for our police officers. We've seen these disturbances occur, not

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Speaker 2: only in what I've been manning greeted earlier on in

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Speaker 2: the year as well and the end of last year

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Speaker 2: as well. We see these kinds of disturbances and I'd

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Speaker 2: and our members have to respond to these types of

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Speaker 2: incident on a daily matter. Is the stuff in what

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Speaker 2: at the moment, I believe extra resources have been sent

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Speaker 2: to what I to support those members on the ground

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Speaker 2: out there, But again it comes down to resource and

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Speaker 2: have the availability to control situations with large numbers of

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Speaker 2: crowds involved. It's very hard and especially with weapons, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: We want to make sure I maintain our members safety

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Speaker 2: and make sure they're safe and secure in doing their

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Speaker 2: job and adequately resource to do their job as well.

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Speaker 3: And what are they saying at this point in time?

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Speaker 3: What are members on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Site They are struggling and some of the fights they

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Speaker 2: don't know, what's occurring between families, et cetera. Some of

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Speaker 2: the behavior it's been that I know there's cars that

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Speaker 2: have been burnt, houses have been burnt. I'd like to

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Speaker 2: say this is uncommon, but it's not. In these remote

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Speaker 2: community this is what happens, and there needs to be

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Speaker 2: real consequences for the people who engage in their sort

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Speaker 2: to use lethal forward if that's if that's what they

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Speaker 2: need to protect themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which no one, nobody wants it to get to

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Speaker 1: that point, and obviously that's why they're having to use

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Speaker 2: Definitely, and they're trying every every option to them to

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Speaker 2: de escalate the situation. But when you're out numbered heavily

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Speaker 2: with for years to come. But at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, I might want to make sure that our

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Speaker 2: of obviously lethal force, if that's that's the only option

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Speaker 2: they've got left to them, to make sure they're safe

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Speaker 1: Sidey is it like these extra We spoke to the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Commissioner last week and he did say

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Speaker 1: that there that there were additional people being flown in,

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Speaker 1: additional offices being flown in at different times. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure whether that's sort of a rotating thing, but is

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Speaker 2: Know there's a number of vacancies that exist at what

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Speaker 2: I So they're getting relief from outside stations, including Darwin.

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Speaker 2: I know some of the Trident members of Transition across

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Speaker 2: to assist them this week as well, and especially with

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Speaker 2: some stuff that was occurring at Pepperminardi as well in

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because there've been reports that you know, some

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Speaker 2: Local community members are quite concerned about their behavior and

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Speaker 2: reporting that behavior. They're very reluctant to report that behavior too,

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Speaker 2: could the fear of obviously repercussions towards themselves, especially living

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Speaker 2: in a remote community. It's a very tough situation. But

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Speaker 2: there's no place for this type of behavior in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and looky, just we can't have people running amok.

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Speaker 1: And you've got you know, you've got women and kids

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Speaker 2: And they don't want to have to do things that

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Speaker 2: they're isolating theirs. They can't go anywhere at this time

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Speaker 2: and what they can do. These types of behaviors aren't uncommon, Caddy,

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Speaker 2: and that's what we see time and time again. But

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Speaker 2: our members of the police force are always charged to

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Speaker 2: make sure they keep the public peace and to make

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Speaker 2: sure they're responding to the offenses as has been reported.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes things very difficult, Finny, I do want

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Speaker 1: to ask you last week we were actually contacted about

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Speaker 1: executive appointments after a commander was put into an acting

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Speaker 1: assistant commissioner job. Now it's an issue which was a

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Speaker 3: Actually, I believe well.

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Speaker 2: Your discussion has prompted my discussion because I wasn't aware

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Speaker 2: of it either until it was mentioned on your Showkati.

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Speaker 1: You well, we'd had someone messages about it and we

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Speaker 1: had the commissioner on, so I thought, well, we'll ask

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Speaker 1: the question now. He said that, yes, there is there

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Speaker 3: Has the issue been raised with you guys with the show?

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Speaker 2: So the issue has been raised. I had a discussion

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Speaker 2: with the Commissioner that afternoon after he'd spoken your show

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Speaker 2: him obviously the reasons why. He informed me that there's

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Speaker 2: been allegations made against a number of people up on

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Speaker 2: made and investigation.

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Speaker 3: As on the top floor as in meaning as in.

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Speaker 2: The executive of the Northern Territory Police Force.

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Speaker 3: So there's been a complaint made.

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Speaker 2: There's been a complaint made against some of the executive

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Speaker 2: officers in the Northern Urchy Police Force, Katie.

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Speaker 3: So it's quite able to give any context.

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Speaker 2: I can't give any context. I'm not going to give

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Speaker 2: sure that the confidentiality of this progress is maintained. All

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Speaker 2: he can say is that the appointment of the act

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Speaker 2: obviously important in this position to maintain a level of

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Speaker 2: obviously make sure it's all done above and board. But

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Speaker 2: we've seen before when complaints have been made and we've

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Speaker 2: seen things go for But we've raised previous matters about

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Speaker 2: acting Deputy Commissioner role. And he's also said that there's

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Speaker 2: an independent person looking into the allegations that's been made

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Speaker 2: to conduct that.

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Speaker 1: Investigation, all right, But no context in terms of what

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Speaker 2: No context about what the investigations maintain, or who the

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Speaker 2: So at this point in time, confidentially needs to be

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Speaker 2: this point in time, quite rightfully.

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Speaker 3: So, look, I've got no idea what it is, so yeah.

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Speaker 2: If you have, I'm sure you'll ask me the question.

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Speaker 1: No, I actually don't, So I think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's not a lot that I can ask, and I

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Speaker 2: I'm not here to announce this or anything else. It's

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Speaker 2: just I'm giving you open, honest advice about the conversations

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Speaker 2: I've had. There's investigation going in to some of the

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Speaker 3: Against the people, and so that's why, that's.

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Speaker 2: Why the acting the Commander has been placed to the

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Speaker 2: for the moment. All right, well, which what occurs when

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Speaker 2: allegations are made against other people in the right of naturally, Well.

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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of police that listen to

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll ring me in and correctly, Katie exactly.

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Speaker 1: Hey, before I let you go, though, Finny, I've also

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Speaker 1: heard some rumblings that things may be changing.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to Strikeforce Trident.

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Speaker 1: Now, a lot of our listeners are actually aware of

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Speaker 3: What's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, correct? So late last week, Katie, we were contacted

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Speaker 2: in form the decision has been made to relocate Strikeforce

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Speaker 2: Trident from the Casarinha Police Station and under the command

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Speaker 3: So what's that kind of been From an operational perspective.

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Speaker 2: It's very hard. Well, obviously, as you said, Strike Force

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Speaker 2: Tried is well known and highly effective specialist unit within

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Police Force and sole purpose of targeting

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Speaker 2: property crime and supporting are in general duties members right

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Speaker 2: is the high volume property type offenses, the stolen motor vehicles,

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Speaker 2: as well. But their operators are standalone for a number

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Speaker 2: or Strike Force Trident. I keep saying task for that's

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Speaker 2: what they used to be. So Strikeforce Trident have been

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Speaker 2: linked to dramatically reducing that the number offenses have been

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Speaker 2: and they have the knowledge, they have the skills, they

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Speaker 2: have the placement within the Kasarina Police Station to effectively

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Speaker 2: current conduct their role to the best ability. We've seen

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Speaker 2: moves like this and decisions like this effect the Darwen

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Speaker 2: Command and the General Duty support that they have on

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Speaker 2: the front line. Here in Darwen, we had Strikeforce Laura.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember you remember of Strikeforce Laura that used

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Speaker 2: to do the DV investigations for the Darwen Command as well.

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Speaker 2: They were removed to Crime Command and the General Duty's

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Speaker 3: So do you reckon this could be a detrimental change.

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Speaker 2: This is a detrimental change. But the thing is I'm

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Speaker 2: more disappointed is that the lack of consultation with both

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Speaker 2: the NTPA and also the members involved. We've seen members

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Speaker 2: that have been a long term career in Strikeforce s

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Speaker 2: one of the senior members in there has been threatened

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Speaker 2: high he's very skilled, he's very knowledgable job, he's very

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Speaker 3: If he's moved out, it could have a big impact.

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Speaker 2: It definitely will have a bitch impact. It won't maybe

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Speaker 3: So is it definitely happening Finnish understand.

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Speaker 2: That's the advice that I've received and the information I've

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Speaker 2: this is happening. This is not negotiable. And our members

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Speaker 2: had a session with him and had opportunity to ask

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Speaker 2: some questions which were effectively shut down, and they won't

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Speaker 2: given the opportunity to have raised their concerns with what's

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Speaker 2: being proposed. But again I'm representing the members and asking

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Speaker 2: move and the reasons why this move's occurring if something

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Speaker 2: ain't broke, If something ain't broke, Katie, why are we

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Speaker 2: making changes to this well?

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Speaker 1: And that Triedent team has had a massive impact, I

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Speaker 1: that property crime. A lot of people have interacted with

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Speaker 1: Trident unfortunately, you know, for both Triedent and for members

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Speaker 1: lot of victims of crime.

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Speaker 2: They are very good at what they do and they

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Speaker 2: are very successful in what they do. They know the offenders,

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Speaker 2: they know where to look, they know that the Northern

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Speaker 2: Suburbs is the prime location for them to be based

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Speaker 2: and then to.

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Speaker 1: Able Toll And look, I just think if we see

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Speaker 1: an uptick in any kind of property crime, then people

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Speaker 1: will certainly be going, We'll hang on a sec you

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Speaker 1: know what's going on. Why aren't tried and able to

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Speaker 1: operate in the way that they used to. But look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not an expert in this space, but I know

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Speaker 1: it will be something that worries people.

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Speaker 2: Definitely not it worries the team and worries about their

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Speaker 2: be part of that STRIKEE Force Triden team if it

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Speaker 2: that they're secure in their job as well. And what

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Speaker 2: you're doing, I think the negative aspects of this have

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Speaker 2: definitely outweigh the positives in relation to why the decision

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Speaker 2: has been made. But we just want meaningful consultation with

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Speaker 2: the members and also the NTPA so we can best

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Speaker 2: see how this is going to work and how that

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: We've got to head across and catch up with the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Electoral Commissioner. Thank you as always for your

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Speaker 1: time this morning.

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Speaker 2: No, I appreciate it, Katie. Appreciate to the men and

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Speaker 2: women out there in the blue uniform that pull on

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Speaker 2: every day and make sure that they're safe and we're

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Speaker 2: here to make sure that they're safe in their workplace

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 3: Good on your finny. Thank you