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Speaker 1: This is Jamney Sandy with Jonesy.

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Speaker 2: During the eighties and the nineties, there wasn't a new idea,

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Speaker 2: a woman's weekly or a TV show that didn't feature

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Speaker 2: Golden Girl Lisa Curry so loved. Not only is she

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Speaker 2: Australian Swimming Royal team, she really was the first Australian

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Speaker 2: sports entrepreneur. She's a mum, she's now a proud nanny,

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Speaker 2: and she has a lot to share in her new

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Speaker 2: memoir Sixty Years of Life, Love and Loss. She joins us, Now,

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Speaker 2: what a thrill, Hello, Lisa, Lisa.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Mandy, you're sixty as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I know you say you're saying that you're

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Speaker 3: not just claiming sixty. You're not the only person that's six.

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Speaker 2: But sixty is an interesting age, isn't it least? And

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Speaker 2: I know you started to write this book a number

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Speaker 2: of years ago and you thought, no, sixty is the

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Speaker 2: time to do it.

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Speaker 1: Only because I didn't do it when I was fifty,

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Speaker 1: so I wanted to do like the half century thing,

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Speaker 1: but that didn't eventuate, So sixty was I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: fifty seven years. It doesn't sort of have the same

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Speaker 3: True, as the title goes, no, I was reading in

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Speaker 3: the newspaper on the weekend. I found it interesting how

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Speaker 3: you revealed in the book that you were the chair

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Speaker 3: of the Australia Day Council in two thousand and four,

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Speaker 3: which I didn't know. And second to that, I didn't

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Speaker 3: know that Steve Erwin was going to be awarded the

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Speaker 3: Australian of the Year. But that photo of him with

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Speaker 3: a little Robert feeding the crocodile and everyone sort of

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Speaker 3: panicked and they had to give the award to Steve

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Speaker 3: war instead of Steve Irwin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people don't know that part of

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Speaker 1: my life. I guess it wasn't controversial enough to write about.

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Speaker 1: But I was chairman for eight years and worked very

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Speaker 1: closely with John Howard and Dumblin General Michael Jefferies at

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Speaker 1: the time, and traveled all around Australia doing all those

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Speaker 1: beautiful official things, and all our winners, you know, were

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Speaker 1: amazing people, the people who have done incredible things in

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Speaker 1: their communities or in their state. And it was such

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Speaker 1: a great job for me to have. And it was

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Speaker 1: really funny because when when John Howard rained me for

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Speaker 1: the first time, I was like, oh my god, John

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Speaker 1: Howard's on the phone. I'm telling everyone around me, because

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't get a phone call from the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister like every day, No you don't, No, But

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Speaker 1: it was, Yeah, it was really great eight years and yeah,

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Speaker 1: very privileged to be in that position with.

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Speaker 2: So much in your life, so much up, as you say,

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Speaker 2: and so much down. And so there are a couple

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Speaker 2: of vulnerable parts of your life. I know you lost

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Speaker 2: your mum recently, and of course the loss of your

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Speaker 2: daughter Jamie. How do you feel people want to show

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Speaker 2: you their love, they want to comfort you, but that

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Speaker 2: must be so hard to make other people feel comfortable

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Speaker 2: through all of this. You're very brave. I think writing

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Speaker 2: about it and talking about.

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Speaker 1: It, well, it's really hard for me to talk about

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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to and writing about it was

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Speaker 1: hard as well. But even now, just let the book

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Speaker 1: out and having to read live, all the moments like

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Speaker 1: I'm not sleeping again go through my head, like it

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Speaker 1: just replays over and over in your head. And then

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Speaker 1: you know, I drive past the age campacility where mum was,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it's just it seems to me constant.

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Speaker 1: But I had this lady come up to me in

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Speaker 1: the street, her tears rolling down her face and arms out.

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Speaker 1: She wanted she was going to give me a hug,

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Speaker 1: and then she just she nearly got to me and

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Speaker 1: she said, I can't. I just walked away. It left

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Speaker 1: me hanging. But you know, there's a lot of there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of people going through the same thing, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I take comfort in that that I'm not

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Speaker 1: but you know, so many people are just opening up

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Speaker 1: to me, and in a way that's good, But in

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Speaker 1: another way, it's also really hard to me to take

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Speaker 1: So it's there's there's different paths that people can take,

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Speaker 2: Does it surprise you that you can even survive this?

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Speaker 2: I know that you that's part of your message is

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Speaker 2: you have to keep going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were days there still our days when I

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Speaker 1: you know, the strength that I had through all my

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Speaker 1: you know, those lessons that I've learned and applied them

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Speaker 1: And it's something that we all have to do. But

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Speaker 1: you have to be ready to do it, you know,

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Speaker 1: we all you know, people talk about the COVID gelos,

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Speaker 1: Well I've got that and more like you know, it's

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Speaker 1: just I don't know, you're just in a hole, and

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Speaker 1: at some point you've just got to step up and go,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I just I have to change my life.

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Speaker 1: And it's easier said than done.

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Speaker 3: And right now, this is what it is. Right now,

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Speaker 3: I guess you just have to just hang in there

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Speaker 3: and you just keep putting one foot in front of

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Speaker 3: what else can you do? Lisa?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, you know, I don't want to dwell on

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Speaker 1: I see grand and he's I can see his sadness

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Speaker 1: all the time, and it's but you know, you've got

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Speaker 1: to at some point. Just I bumped into Dawn Phraser

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's a simplistic approach. I think a lot

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, yeah, it's you know, you just got to,

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Speaker 1: like you said, just it's one day after another. But

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Speaker 1: you know, being here on the property and having our

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Speaker 1: you know, our businesses, it's a distraction and it's good.

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Speaker 1: It takes away the thoughts because it's not not one

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's just anyway, let's not dwell on that.

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Speaker 1: a birth year, not a birthday.

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Speaker 2: Go all and Meldon Marcos, I'm gonna I'm going to

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Speaker 2: have you know, a lot of I need.

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Speaker 1: I need, so I need to get back out doing things.

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Speaker 1: So I booked as a holiday in next January, and

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Speaker 1: you know, just looking forward to that and just yeah,

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Speaker 1: seeing what life has to offer for the next thirty years.

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Speaker 1: in your latest story, what is the next thirty years

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we are living longer, so we have a

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Speaker 2: third act, we have it, maybe it might be a

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Speaker 2: fourth or a fifth act that our moms didn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: get a chance to have a reinvention and what what

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Speaker 2: would that be? Your honesty and your vulnerability and I

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Speaker 2: know a following on socials as well, and your book's extraordinary,

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Speaker 2: and you know, hats off to you, Lisa, thank you

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Speaker 2: for sharing your story with us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much and nice to hear you. Jonesy.

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Speaker 1: Last time I saw you, you were in the news.

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Speaker 3: Over that too. There's always an upside, at least I'm hurried.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to strip off for you again. If you

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Speaker 3: need a laugh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, just the visualization doesn't go away, I can

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Speaker 3: What was what was worse was it seeing Jet because

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Speaker 3: So Jet your son who is a donor. So I

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Speaker 2: I thought you'd pick one of the football one of the.

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Speaker 3: Oldest next to Saint Shane Jacson, because I look good

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Speaker 2: That's why he chose you.

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Speaker 1: Well, the funny, the funniest part about all that is

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Speaker 3: Off, so everyone just saw everything. And know the worst

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Speaker 3: see everything.

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Speaker 1: We do, these things, don't we for a good cause,

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Speaker 1: for to help someone else, to help someone, you know,

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Speaker 1: not go through what we've been through. Or you know,

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Speaker 1: yours was all about, you know, checking our breast, the

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Speaker 1: breast cancer, and you know it's all It's all worthwhile

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Speaker 1: the things we do, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: The things we do. I saw you eat spiders, Lisa,

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Speaker 2: The things we do.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Lisa. It's always great to talk to you,

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Speaker 3: so h to jet for me A memoir Sixty Years

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Speaker 3: of Life, Love and Loss, on sale now at all

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Speaker 3: good bookstores and online. Lisa, thank you, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Jones and Amanda, we love you, Lisa.

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Speaker 3: Thank you