WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - AILEEN 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:06.320 tv Reload the podcast last week. Hey guys, welcome back 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:08.639 to tiv Reload. I want to thank you for clicking 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:13.280 and downloading. On today's episode, with Superfan Eileen, the thirteenth 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:17.080 eliminated contestant from this year's Australian Survivor, which is now 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.239 on Network ten, I will be talking about Eileen's time 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.000 in Samoa and of course what she thinks now that 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.840 the smoke has well and truly been snuffed out on 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.880 her torch. Australian Survivor Titans Versus Rebels is a showdown 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.440 that pits the winners against the underdogs, and the big 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.720 wigs against the battlers, with each player competing for half 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.840 a million dollars. As one of Ferris's most trusted confidence, 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.479 Eileen's astute observations helped him to navigate a treacherous tribe 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.800 switch and an early merge. However, Eileen's presence posed a 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.320 threat to Kirby, who cobbled together a makeshift faction of 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.720 numbers to secure her blind side. In order to bond 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.440 herself more tightly with Ferris. Eileen will talk about her 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.280 connection to the super fans and what her parents really 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:06.520 thought of her rebellious turn in Australian Survivor. We will 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.720 unpack her blind side and Eileen will share her thoughts 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.600 on Ferris's cutting comments to Kirby. Fans would know that 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.240 there was a savage comment from Raymond about Aileen's future 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:21.040 past Survivor, and Aileen will give us a pretty surprising 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.240 answer to that. Plus we will get some brilliant insights 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.000 into what Eileen thinks it takes to make it into 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.480 Survivor with some tips on how to apply. There is 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.680 actually so much to unpack with Eileen, as you can imagine, 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.839 and she's really fun to talk to. I actually could 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.959 listen to the sound of her voice all day. So 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.920 sit back and relax as we dive just that little 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:46.319 bit deeper into the world of Australian Survivor. Well, let's 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.480 get into it. So, Hi, how are. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.600 You, Hi, Ben, I'm having a lovely time. Thank you 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:52.720 so much. How about yourself? 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.120 It's at that point now where all of the fans 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:59.160 of Australian Survivor at like fever pitch like where we're addicted. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.440 Ah, I'm loving Look, I'm as a super fan myself. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.600 You know I was sitting on the other side just 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.280 a year ago, and to have the fans backing me 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.680 up on this one just means the world to me, 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.799 and it warms my heart. You know, when I had 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.480 my exit yesterday, I knew I was gonna be fine. 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.160 And Twitter's rioting everyone on Instagram's like. 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.840 Bring back Kylie Hat, I'm like, bring back Kilie. 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.480 I don't think I've ever seen that though. Like I'm 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.880 a big fan of those train and Survivor as well, 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.800 and I don't think I've ever seen anyone being demanded 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:29.480 to be returned, do you know. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.040 I know, and I think it is because I came 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.640 in as a superfan and that was my backstory. And 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.120 also I think a lot of people see themselves in me, 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.920 you know, the Asian community, but even more so, you know, 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.959 the underdog who has been told that the way to 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.600 success is to find a steady career and climb up 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.480 that ladder. And all I wanted to do was to 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.120 prove to everyone, but mostly my parents, that you know, 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.920 by winning the game of Survivor, you can achieve success 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.560 in unconventional ways. And even though my dream was cut short, 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.520 I still was able to go on my absolutely favorite 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.680 show ever, and I think a lot of people resonate 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:03.000 with that. 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:04.840 I don't even think that people who have won this 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:09.560 show have walked away with as much adoration. It's a 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.560 matter that you didn't win this show, people's You're still 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.000 proving to be more popular with the fans than some 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.120 of our past winners. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.040 Ah. It means the world, honestly, and I'm just soaking 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.359 it all in and just trying to be really humble 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.440 about it and just really thankful as well. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:26.520 What's the rationale behind the spelling of your name and 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.440 the pronunciation being Eileen? Because am I getting that right? 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.079 So the pronunciation correctly is is Eileene? 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:34.120 Yes, Well that's. 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.720 How my parents want to pronounce it. And little backstory, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:41.320 So my parents are obsessed with Celene Deon and I 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.240 think at one point they were considering calling me Selene, 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.680 but they were like, no, let's call her Eileen. And 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.600 I think in Asian cultures he pronounced the ai as 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:53.840 i Aii means love in Chinese. But I know I 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.160 had an Irish teacher in high school who would refuse 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.480 to call me Eileen. He would say Aileen because he 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.480 was like, that's the correct Irish way to say it, 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:01.920 and I'm like. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.560 Okay, do you don't have many people. I've argued this 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.080 with like so many people, And it's interesting to watch 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.960 most of the pronunciation because you've obviously explained it to everybody. 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.480 All the other castaways. They are calling you Aileen, they're 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:16.360 not calling you Aleen. 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:17.400 So yeah, good. 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.039 And I know someone on Facebook tagged me and asked 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.920 for me to clarify the situation and I was very 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:24.919 happy too, So I think it's settled. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.320 Now it's done, and now it's officially on my podcast. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.120 You know, we talked about you being a fan favorite, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.000 and I just think it's so exciting that people want 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.440 to celebrate you. Was it hard then to see yourself 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.000 go at this point of the competition. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.040 I don't feel like I've let myself down, especially since 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.440 I had my journey play out the way it did. 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:46.680 You know, I could have gone home two weeks ago 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.880 had I not won that challenge at the Tribal Council. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.280 And then again when I was pretty much going to 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.080 be going home, I held on for dear life on 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.040 that Triangle challenge and made it through. And I was like, look, 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.520 I've proven to everyone and surprised myself that when my 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.520 back is up against the wall, I can pull out 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.160 the win. And so I feel like I had achieved 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.320 so much and I'd also made the jury. You know, 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:12.480 making the jury is a huge achievement in itself, and 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.320 it only means that because my time was cut short, 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.720 there should be another sequel coming up, hopefully, I pray, 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:19.359 I pray. 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.880 How funny was it that people were saying last week 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.799 because Aiden was also a super fan, and people were saying, 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.880 you know, the next person who comes out is going 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.920 to be put on the jury and they should give 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.760 up their spot for Aiden because he's a super fan. 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:36.160 And then you are the next person out and no 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.120 one wants you to give away your say to Aiden. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:42.400 Look, I was absolutely, I truly in that moment. I 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.400 was crushed when we found out that Eden didn't make 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.839 the jury, and I personally didn't think it was his 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:50.160 time to go yet because I could see him either 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.200 being my shield or my ally because we both really 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.000 thought alike. And it was such a shame that we 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.520 only ended up on the Merged tribe that late in 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.080 the game. But I was devastated because I knew that 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.320 he would have wanted to if he had not won 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.040 at least had an impact to vote who would win 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:07.840 and be in the jury, and him and I would 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.120 have had endless hours of chats just talking about the 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:12.960 strategy and our perspectives of the game. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.640 Well, I saw on x which you know, for people 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.719 like me who are a bit older, it's the old Twitter. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.600 I saw a graph that someone was putting together of 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.960 the percentages of most likely to return to the game, 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.400 and Eden and yourself were at the top of that list. 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.479 So really, oh, I hadn't seen that, But that's honestly, 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.799 keep I keep getting shocked by how much love both 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.440 of us and myself are getting, Like it's so surreal. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.240 And had I been watching the. 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.360 Season and not have been on, I would have been 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.080 rooting for those people as well. So I completely understand 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:45.680 and thank you everyone. 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.279 I mean, I think your rebel underdog package, that's what 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.159 I call it was one of the most likable backstories 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.240 that we've ever seen, just the way in which it 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.120 was so celebrated. As soon as it happened, there was 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.159 like a match had been lit and all of these 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:05.080 people were ignited into celebrating you. What was your reaction 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:06.000 to watching. 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.839 It, Well, I was so excited because I knew that 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.600 I had a pretty good backstory coming into the show. 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.880 A little nervous because I knew that I had mentioned 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.320 that my parents were really strict with my upbringing. But 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.600 you know, I credit my parents to my sense of 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.600 motivation and determination and perseverance because had I not had 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:26.840 that upbringing, you know, maybe I didn't have I wouldn't 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.480 have had the mental endurance to last that long. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:31.120 So but I just. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.640 Wanted everyone to see to feel represented. You know, there 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.440 are so many people like me. I'm not just this anomaly. 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:42.640 Everyone I feel feels like they're the underdog or that 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.440 you can achieve. You want to achieve success in a 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.800 very different way than what society thinks it should look like. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:50.120 And so I felt that. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.800 Once I released that story, people would resonate with me 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:53.400 in that way. 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.920 You know, yes, you said you mentioned that that's sort 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.640 of how you'd referred to them. I guess everyone wants 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.480 to know. Did they enjoy watching. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.480 You know What's wild? 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.560 So I had not told my parents until the very 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.960 last second when I was when I knew I made 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.200 it on the show. I had asked my siblings. I 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.200 was like, do you think I should tell mom and 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.240 dad like, I don't. I don't want the weight of 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.320 disappointment bearing on me when I play the show if 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:18.920 they don't approve. And they were like, you know what, 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.560 you should just tell mom and dad because you'd rather 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.040 them not worry, you know, And so I was like, okay, 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.240 I'll tell them. So I told them, and the opposite 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.520 reaction happened. My dad was so thrilled. You know, he 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:33.120 grew up in the literal jungles of Borneo, Malaysia. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:34.280 He had no. 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.520 Electricity, he had to dig an actual well to survive, 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.200 so he was giving me tips here, there, everywhere. And 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.760 my mom was just like typical Filipino mom, and I 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.320 was like, this weight had just lifted off my shoulders 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.520 and I felt like I had permission to play the game. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.040 So they were so excited to watch, you know, they 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.680 try and keep up as much as possible. And both 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.240 of them just sent me messages this morning saying how 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:58.960 proud they were of me, and it's you know, it 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.760 is quite rare to hear that your parents are proud 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.120 of you, especially in Asian households. So I'm going to 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.720 keep that really dear and near to me. And yeah, 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:07.800 I just feel great about it. 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:09.840 The woman the fuzzies, you know what I mean, Like 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.400 we always have all of these ideas about, you know, 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.760 wanting to seek approval from our parents, and then to 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.439 be able to get that in your lifetime means money 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:20.360 come by, I know. 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.160 And I think I just proved to them as well 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.560 that you can do something that you're passionate about. You know, 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.880 it's not my career, it's Survivor, it's a TV show. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:32.000 And I think now they understand that this little fan 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.200 and Eileen who has been dying to go on the 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.720 show since forever, you know, can finally do something and 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.080 be really happy and have a great outcome and just 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:40.800 prove my worth. 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:45.240 That immunity challenge was so intense with the blocks I 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.240 really wanted you to win. How frustrating is that outcome 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.959 now that you know that you were already the target. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.800 Well look, if I had known that my back was 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.360 up against the wall and I was a target, maybe 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.960 I would have held on a few more breaths long 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.040 her and not made that table term sway or anything. 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.720 And I've proven before that you know, when I feel 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.079 like I'm going home, that I actually perform my best. 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.400 So someone should have just told me that I was 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.720 going home and I would have probably won that one. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.280 But yeah, it was frustrating. 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.280 But look, when you're focusing on a challenge where mental 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.720 you know, focus is the key, you don't want to fluster, 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.760 and that's I didn't fluster at all when I dropped 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:24.920 those things. I was just like, oh, okay, I'll start again. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.080 So honestly it was fine. But had I known that 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.439 I was going to be the one voted out, I 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.000 think I would have zoned in even one hundred and 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.160 ten percent more. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:37.079 And fl and my sweat glands are working, So thank you, 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.000 because much like all of the astraints, Survivor was watching 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.400 that show, we were sweating, We were sweating for you. 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.360 Yeah I was sweating watching it back yesterday as well, 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.520 and you could see the beads of sweat on my nose. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.880 At that challenge, I was like, God, they're not filtering anything. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.800 What do you think would have happened if you had 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.160 won that? Because Kirby herself even said that she didn't 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:58.960 have a backup plan. What do you think the ramifications 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.680 of you beating Kitty and that immunity challenge, what do 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:03.080 you think that would have resulted? 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.680 In either we would have been able to secure Caroline 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.920 and Kitty and then voted out Mark, or maybe Raymond 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.000 would have become a target because he didn't have an 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.439 IDOL on him and I would be safe. And you know, 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.880 one way or the other, I think because we were 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:22.040 a strong alliance of four perceived Ferris, myself, Raymond, and 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.360 Alex sort of got pulled in at the end. I 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.800 was very well aware that we were such a big 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.000 group compared to everyone else whose numbers were dwindling, that 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.200 they would have wanted to come after us at some point. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.880 Anyway, What do you think though about Caroline and Kitty 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.600 lying to Ferris? I mean, were you because I mean 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.320 you were kind of his right hand man to a 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.760 certain extent, depends on who you ask. Ferris could be 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:44.880 your right hand man to a lot of people because 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.840 you well and truly even he explained that he couldn't 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.200 do much without running it all by you, the invisible 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.040 hand might have been yours. What did you think about 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.120 lying to Ferris? Did you suspect that they might have 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.080 been gunning that way? 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.520 I didn't, And you know what, and I had a 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.280 one on one conversation I think the day before or 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.600 maybe just before that challenge, and it seemed. And I 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.520 spoke to Caroline yesterday about this, and she said it 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:14.319 was a very genuine conversation that we had about us 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.120 potentially working together. So I think maybe the paranoia must 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.559 have gotten the best of Caroline at that moment, and 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.800 the you know, the persuasion of Kirby and her crew. 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:26.080 But at that point, now I actually thought that they 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.679 were with us, especially since they felt so terrible. Katy 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.080 and Caroline kept coming up to Ferris and I like 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.400 literally apologizing on their knees, saying, I'm so sorry that 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.800 we didn't vote with you guys because Eden went home. 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.480 What can we do to prove our loyalty? So but 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.880 a day in Survivor changes so quickly, I. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.240 Mean a day in any of these reality shows. You know. 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.080 I did a series of Big Brother, and I worked 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.640 out that the day of the nomination, I actually did 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.800 everyone's laundry and removed myself from conversation. And no one 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.680 ever seemed to nominate me for like nine weeks because 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.280 I was out of the loop of their mind, you 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.480 know what I mean, Like I was so predominant in 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.720 the first two weeks in their mind and I realized, 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.079 everyone just votes for the last person who's done something controversial, 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.960 So just shut up and do nothing that day, do 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:14.600 something kind for everyone, you know. 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.679 Well, you know what happened that day. I basically did that. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.360 So I was pretty comfortable with where I was at, 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.559 and I was truly blindsided that I was like, at 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.400 the scramble, guys, I'm going to make the coconut rice. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.840 So I made the best goddamn coconut rice that tribe 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.000 has ever tasted. And I was feeding everyone. I was 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:32.920 feeding Mark. Mark and I were looking at each other 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.839 even though we knew we were well. He was voting 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.000 for me and I was voting for him. And maybe 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:41.680 had I inserted myself into more conversations at that scramble, 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:43.800 maybe my spidy senses would have tingled. 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.280 But that's how it played out. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.839 That's how it played out. Was it hard to watch 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.320 last night? I mean, we got to see this moment 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.440 as they were walking away from the tribal council and 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.240 you hear feris talking to Kirby and saying thank you 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.679 for eliminating her, you know, because I wouldn't have been 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.520 able to. How did it feel for you? What was 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.200 your reaction to being able to see that. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.200 I mean, I'm not surprised because if I were in 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.400 his position at one point, you got to take out 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.880 the person who you've been aligning with the closest, because 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.840 you guys are going to be playing a very similar 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.160 game and pitching very similar pitches at. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:14.760 The very end. 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.200 And I think, honestly, at that moment he was probably 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.800 just trying to save his own ass and say to Kirby, oh, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.440 this is really not affecting me the way it actually is. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.880 But you will see later in Confessionals that he was angry. 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:27.600 I think it was in the promo as well. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.120 We got to see that in the promo. That was 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.120 what was really cool was we got to see him saying, oh, well, 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:34.840 thank you for doing it. But then straight away we've 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.760 got this promo where you do see him saying how 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:39.720 upset he is, and you know, you can see he's 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.280 devastated by that blindside. It's good to hear that you. 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:47.120 I'm assuming it sounds to me like you're believing he's 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.680 upset rather than the backstabbing kind of comment that he 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:51.360 made to Kirby. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.040 Of course, of course, and you got to take everything 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.120 really lightly it's a game at the end of the day. 0:14:56.240 --> 0:15:00.000 And I respect when you can speak to your enemy 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.120 me and make it seem like it's all good, because 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:04.360 I would have done the same. You know, a good 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.640 Survivor player doesn't show their cards and show their frustration 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:09.760 because it just shows that you're more unlikely to work 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.680 with them in the future. So if you just play 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.000 nice and accept it for what it is, like what 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.040 Liz did in the previous season with George being like, oh, 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.320 it's all good. You know Shawne voted out I understand 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.680 and then cut them at the end. That's a good 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:22.560 Survivor player to me. 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.280 Yeah, what was your plan to get rid of Ferris though, 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.800 because you must have been already putting that plan in process. 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.560 Yeah, So my strategy was, I actually wanted to keep 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.160 Kirby in the very beginning, keep Kirby and Ferris as 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.000 my shields, and then had I been successful, now at 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.440 merged to vote up Mark. It was actually my next 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.800 pitch to vote out Kirby. Once Kirby was gone, then 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.720 I would round out everybody else because Kirby was a 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.640 huge leader, you know, she was so endearing and able 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.800 to pull everyone in. But without that person, then I'd 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.440 be able to work with everyone else have more agency. 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.520 And then eventually, because people actually perceived Ferris as the 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.000 biggest threatning the game, there would be it wouldn't be 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.520 hard for people to convince people to vote him out 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:04.920 at the end. 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:06.640 So that was your plan to keep him to the 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.120 end and then vote at Ferris well, to vote. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.160 Out any big players that I thought would go against 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.120 would be competing with me at the end. 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.080 Yeah, So I guess there's what a lot of the 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.640 super fans want. They want to take the biggest players 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.560 to the end just to beat them. So I guess 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.720 that's kind of what your plan was, just to make 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:24.840 sure that at the end, if you're going to win, 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:26.480 you want to beat the best. 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.240 But also if you want to win, you got to 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.920 increase your chances, right, And so I understand the logic 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.120 as well, And I'm not upset at any past player 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.520 who has decided to take a goat to the end 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.520 because you are increasing your odds and yes, title of 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.040 Soul survivor also the other hand, five hundred thousand dollars, right, 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.040 so yeah, increase your odds. 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.080 Well, you and Raymond have been accused of being Ferris's 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.640 goat for a while now there's a lot of goat 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:55.040 memes that have been happening on social media. Right, did 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.080 you worry about that title for yourself while you were 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.880 playing the game, like while you're on the bea Samoa. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.320 No, because I had been told by other people that 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.720 they didn't perceive me as a goat. So what you 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.479 didn't see on the island was, you know, Valeria literally 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.280 came up to me after her Aussie Barbecue reward challenge 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.359 with Caroline, Mark and Kitty and I was like, so, 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.680 what happened at the reward and she basically just told 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.240 me that they went through each player and said what 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.080 their strengths were. And she told me to my face 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.560 that we were talking about you, Eileen, and how you're 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.400 really good at and asking inquisitive deep questions and how 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.159 you're able to really get down to the root of 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.000 the problem. And I'm like, okay, well, if you perceive 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:34.920 me as that, I don't think you think I'm a goat. 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.639 And I knew Kirby was telling everybody that I was, 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.800 you know, the person who was whispering things in Ferris's 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:42.919 ear and coming up with the plan. So no, I 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:44.800 never thought that people thought I was a goat. 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.800 You must have all been thinking that there was an 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.080 immunity idol being heaten somewhere in that auction. Did anyone 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:55.320 suspect that Raymond had a clue or an immunity idol 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:56.679 inside that popcorn barrel? 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:56.840 Oh? 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.520 One hundred percent. You know me. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.760