Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
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Speaker 1: and downloading. On today's episode, with Superfan Eileen, the thirteenth
Speaker 1: eliminated contestant from this year's Australian Survivor, which is now
Speaker 1: on Network ten, I will be talking about Eileen's time
Speaker 1: in Samoa and of course what she thinks now that
Speaker 1: the smoke has well and truly been snuffed out on
Speaker 1: her torch. Australian Survivor Titans Versus Rebels is a showdown
Speaker 1: that pits the winners against the underdogs, and the big
Speaker 1: wigs against the battlers, with each player competing for half
Speaker 1: a million dollars. As one of Ferris's most trusted confidence,
Speaker 1: Eileen's astute observations helped him to navigate a treacherous tribe
Speaker 1: switch and an early merge. However, Eileen's presence posed a
Speaker 1: threat to Kirby, who cobbled together a makeshift faction of
Speaker 1: numbers to secure her blind side. In order to bond
Speaker 1: herself more tightly with Ferris. Eileen will talk about her
Speaker 1: connection to the super fans and what her parents really
Speaker 1: thought of her rebellious turn in Australian Survivor. We will
Speaker 1: unpack her blind side and Eileen will share her thoughts
Speaker 1: on Ferris's cutting comments to Kirby. Fans would know that
Speaker 1: there was a savage comment from Raymond about Aileen's future
Speaker 1: past Survivor, and Aileen will give us a pretty surprising
Speaker 1: answer to that. Plus we will get some brilliant insights
Speaker 1: into what Eileen thinks it takes to make it into
Speaker 1: Survivor with some tips on how to apply. There is
Speaker 1: actually so much to unpack with Eileen, as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: and she's really fun to talk to. I actually could
Speaker 1: listen to the sound of her voice all day. So
Speaker 1: sit back and relax as we dive just that little
Speaker 1: bit deeper into the world of Australian Survivor. Well, let's
Speaker 1: get into it. So, Hi, how are.
Speaker 2: You, Hi, Ben, I'm having a lovely time. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much. How about yourself?
Speaker 1: It's at that point now where all of the fans
Speaker 1: of Australian Survivor at like fever pitch like where we're addicted.
Speaker 2: Ah, I'm loving Look, I'm as a super fan myself.
Speaker 2: You know I was sitting on the other side just
Speaker 2: a year ago, and to have the fans backing me
Speaker 2: up on this one just means the world to me,
Speaker 2: and it warms my heart. You know, when I had
Speaker 2: my exit yesterday, I knew I was gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: And Twitter's rioting everyone on Instagram's like.
Speaker 3: Bring back Kylie Hat, I'm like, bring back Kilie.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen that though. Like I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of those train and Survivor as well,
Speaker 1: and I don't think I've ever seen anyone being demanded
Speaker 1: to be returned, do you know.
Speaker 2: I know, and I think it is because I came
Speaker 2: in as a superfan and that was my backstory. And
Speaker 2: also I think a lot of people see themselves in me,
Speaker 2: you know, the Asian community, but even more so, you know,
Speaker 2: the underdog who has been told that the way to
Speaker 2: success is to find a steady career and climb up
Speaker 2: that ladder. And all I wanted to do was to
Speaker 2: prove to everyone, but mostly my parents, that you know,
Speaker 2: by winning the game of Survivor, you can achieve success
Speaker 2: in unconventional ways. And even though my dream was cut short,
Speaker 2: I still was able to go on my absolutely favorite
Speaker 2: show ever, and I think a lot of people resonate
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 1: I don't even think that people who have won this
Speaker 1: show have walked away with as much adoration. It's a
Speaker 1: matter that you didn't win this show, people's You're still
Speaker 1: proving to be more popular with the fans than some
Speaker 1: of our past winners.
Speaker 2: Ah. It means the world, honestly, and I'm just soaking
Speaker 2: it all in and just trying to be really humble
Speaker 2: about it and just really thankful as well.
Speaker 1: What's the rationale behind the spelling of your name and
Speaker 1: the pronunciation being Eileen? Because am I getting that right?
Speaker 1: So the pronunciation correctly is is Eileene?
Speaker 3: Yes, Well that's.
Speaker 2: How my parents want to pronounce it. And little backstory,
Speaker 2: So my parents are obsessed with Celene Deon and I
Speaker 2: think at one point they were considering calling me Selene,
Speaker 2: but they were like, no, let's call her Eileen. And
Speaker 2: I think in Asian cultures he pronounced the ai as
Speaker 2: i Aii means love in Chinese. But I know I
Speaker 2: had an Irish teacher in high school who would refuse
Speaker 2: to call me Eileen. He would say Aileen because he
Speaker 2: was like, that's the correct Irish way to say it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you don't have many people. I've argued this
Speaker 1: with like so many people, And it's interesting to watch
Speaker 1: most of the pronunciation because you've obviously explained it to everybody.
Speaker 1: All the other castaways. They are calling you Aileen, they're
Speaker 1: not calling you Aleen.
Speaker 3: So yeah, good.
Speaker 2: And I know someone on Facebook tagged me and asked
Speaker 2: for me to clarify the situation and I was very
Speaker 2: happy too, So I think it's settled.
Speaker 1: Now it's done, and now it's officially on my podcast.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about you being a fan favorite,
Speaker 1: and I just think it's so exciting that people want
Speaker 1: to celebrate you. Was it hard then to see yourself
Speaker 1: go at this point of the competition.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I've let myself down, especially since
Speaker 2: I had my journey play out the way it did.
Speaker 2: You know, I could have gone home two weeks ago
Speaker 2: had I not won that challenge at the Tribal Council.
Speaker 2: And then again when I was pretty much going to
Speaker 2: be going home, I held on for dear life on
Speaker 2: that Triangle challenge and made it through. And I was like, look,
Speaker 2: I've proven to everyone and surprised myself that when my
Speaker 2: back is up against the wall, I can pull out
Speaker 2: the win. And so I feel like I had achieved
Speaker 2: so much and I'd also made the jury. You know,
Speaker 2: making the jury is a huge achievement in itself, and
Speaker 2: it only means that because my time was cut short,
Speaker 2: there should be another sequel coming up, hopefully, I pray,
Speaker 2: I pray.
Speaker 1: How funny was it that people were saying last week
Speaker 1: because Aiden was also a super fan, and people were saying,
Speaker 1: you know, the next person who comes out is going
Speaker 1: to be put on the jury and they should give
Speaker 1: up their spot for Aiden because he's a super fan.
Speaker 1: And then you are the next person out and no
Speaker 1: one wants you to give away your say to Aiden.
Speaker 2: Look, I was absolutely, I truly in that moment. I
Speaker 2: was crushed when we found out that Eden didn't make
Speaker 2: the jury, and I personally didn't think it was his
Speaker 2: time to go yet because I could see him either
Speaker 2: being my shield or my ally because we both really
Speaker 2: thought alike. And it was such a shame that we
Speaker 2: only ended up on the Merged tribe that late in
Speaker 2: the game. But I was devastated because I knew that
Speaker 2: he would have wanted to if he had not won
Speaker 2: at least had an impact to vote who would win
Speaker 2: and be in the jury, and him and I would
Speaker 2: have had endless hours of chats just talking about the
Speaker 2: strategy and our perspectives of the game.
Speaker 1: Well, I saw on x which you know, for people
Speaker 1: like me who are a bit older, it's the old Twitter.
Speaker 1: I saw a graph that someone was putting together of
Speaker 1: the percentages of most likely to return to the game,
Speaker 1: and Eden and yourself were at the top of that list.
Speaker 2: So really, oh, I hadn't seen that, But that's honestly,
Speaker 2: keep I keep getting shocked by how much love both
Speaker 2: of us and myself are getting, Like it's so surreal.
Speaker 3: And had I been watching the.
Speaker 2: Season and not have been on, I would have been
Speaker 2: rooting for those people as well. So I completely understand
Speaker 2: and thank you everyone.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think your rebel underdog package, that's what
Speaker 1: I call it was one of the most likable backstories
Speaker 1: that we've ever seen, just the way in which it
Speaker 1: was so celebrated. As soon as it happened, there was
Speaker 1: like a match had been lit and all of these
Speaker 1: people were ignited into celebrating you. What was your reaction
Speaker 1: to watching.
Speaker 2: It, Well, I was so excited because I knew that
Speaker 2: I had a pretty good backstory coming into the show.
Speaker 2: A little nervous because I knew that I had mentioned
Speaker 2: that my parents were really strict with my upbringing. But
Speaker 2: you know, I credit my parents to my sense of
Speaker 2: motivation and determination and perseverance because had I not had
Speaker 2: that upbringing, you know, maybe I didn't have I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have had the mental endurance to last that long.
Speaker 1: So but I just.
Speaker 2: Wanted everyone to see to feel represented. You know, there
Speaker 2: are so many people like me. I'm not just this anomaly.
Speaker 2: Everyone I feel feels like they're the underdog or that
Speaker 2: you can achieve. You want to achieve success in a
Speaker 2: very different way than what society thinks it should look like.
Speaker 3: And so I felt that.
Speaker 2: Once I released that story, people would resonate with me
Speaker 2: in that way.
Speaker 1: You know, yes, you said you mentioned that that's sort
Speaker 1: of how you'd referred to them. I guess everyone wants
Speaker 1: to know. Did they enjoy watching.
Speaker 3: You know What's wild?
Speaker 2: So I had not told my parents until the very
Speaker 2: last second when I was when I knew I made
Speaker 2: it on the show. I had asked my siblings. I
Speaker 2: was like, do you think I should tell mom and
Speaker 2: dad like, I don't. I don't want the weight of
Speaker 2: disappointment bearing on me when I play the show if
Speaker 2: they don't approve. And they were like, you know what,
Speaker 2: you should just tell mom and dad because you'd rather
Speaker 2: them not worry, you know, And so I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll tell them. So I told them, and the opposite
Speaker 2: reaction happened. My dad was so thrilled. You know, he
Speaker 2: grew up in the literal jungles of Borneo, Malaysia.
Speaker 3: He had no.
Speaker 2: Electricity, he had to dig an actual well to survive,
Speaker 2: so he was giving me tips here, there, everywhere. And
Speaker 2: my mom was just like typical Filipino mom, and I
Speaker 2: was like, this weight had just lifted off my shoulders
Speaker 2: and I felt like I had permission to play the game.
Speaker 2: So they were so excited to watch, you know, they
Speaker 2: try and keep up as much as possible. And both
Speaker 2: of them just sent me messages this morning saying how
Speaker 2: proud they were of me, and it's you know, it
Speaker 2: is quite rare to hear that your parents are proud
Speaker 2: of you, especially in Asian households. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: keep that really dear and near to me. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I just feel great about it.
Speaker 1: The woman the fuzzies, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: we always have all of these ideas about, you know,
Speaker 1: wanting to seek approval from our parents, and then to
Speaker 1: be able to get that in your lifetime means money
Speaker 1: come by, I know.
Speaker 2: And I think I just proved to them as well
Speaker 2: that you can do something that you're passionate about. You know,
Speaker 2: it's not my career, it's Survivor, it's a TV show.
Speaker 2: And I think now they understand that this little fan
Speaker 2: and Eileen who has been dying to go on the
Speaker 2: show since forever, you know, can finally do something and
Speaker 2: be really happy and have a great outcome and just
Speaker 2: prove my worth.
Speaker 1: That immunity challenge was so intense with the blocks I
Speaker 1: really wanted you to win. How frustrating is that outcome
Speaker 1: now that you know that you were already the target.
Speaker 2: Well look, if I had known that my back was
Speaker 2: up against the wall and I was a target, maybe
Speaker 2: I would have held on a few more breaths long
Speaker 2: her and not made that table term sway or anything.
Speaker 2: And I've proven before that you know, when I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm going home, that I actually perform my best.
Speaker 2: So someone should have just told me that I was
Speaker 2: going home and I would have probably won that one.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was frustrating.
Speaker 2: But look, when you're focusing on a challenge where mental
Speaker 2: you know, focus is the key, you don't want to fluster,
Speaker 2: and that's I didn't fluster at all when I dropped
Speaker 2: those things. I was just like, oh, okay, I'll start again.
Speaker 2: So honestly it was fine. But had I known that
Speaker 2: I was going to be the one voted out, I
Speaker 2: think I would have zoned in even one hundred and
Speaker 2: ten percent more.
Speaker 1: And fl and my sweat glands are working, So thank you,
Speaker 1: because much like all of the astraints, Survivor was watching
Speaker 1: that show, we were sweating, We were sweating for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah I was sweating watching it back yesterday as well,
Speaker 2: and you could see the beads of sweat on my nose.
Speaker 2: At that challenge, I was like, God, they're not filtering anything.
Speaker 1: What do you think would have happened if you had
Speaker 1: won that? Because Kirby herself even said that she didn't
Speaker 1: have a backup plan. What do you think the ramifications
Speaker 1: of you beating Kitty and that immunity challenge, what do
Speaker 1: you think that would have resulted?
Speaker 2: In either we would have been able to secure Caroline
Speaker 2: and Kitty and then voted out Mark, or maybe Raymond
Speaker 2: would have become a target because he didn't have an
Speaker 2: IDOL on him and I would be safe. And you know,
Speaker 2: one way or the other, I think because we were
Speaker 2: a strong alliance of four perceived Ferris, myself, Raymond, and
Speaker 2: Alex sort of got pulled in at the end. I
Speaker 2: was very well aware that we were such a big
Speaker 2: group compared to everyone else whose numbers were dwindling, that
Speaker 2: they would have wanted to come after us at some point.
Speaker 1: Anyway, What do you think though about Caroline and Kitty
Speaker 1: lying to Ferris? I mean, were you because I mean
Speaker 1: you were kind of his right hand man to a
Speaker 1: certain extent, depends on who you ask. Ferris could be
Speaker 1: your right hand man to a lot of people because
Speaker 1: you well and truly even he explained that he couldn't
Speaker 1: do much without running it all by you, the invisible
Speaker 1: hand might have been yours. What did you think about
Speaker 1: lying to Ferris? Did you suspect that they might have
Speaker 1: been gunning that way?
Speaker 2: I didn't, And you know what, and I had a
Speaker 2: one on one conversation I think the day before or
Speaker 2: maybe just before that challenge, and it seemed. And I
Speaker 2: spoke to Caroline yesterday about this, and she said it
Speaker 2: was a very genuine conversation that we had about us
Speaker 2: potentially working together. So I think maybe the paranoia must
Speaker 2: have gotten the best of Caroline at that moment, and
Speaker 2: the you know, the persuasion of Kirby and her crew.
Speaker 2: But at that point, now I actually thought that they
Speaker 2: were with us, especially since they felt so terrible. Katy
Speaker 2: and Caroline kept coming up to Ferris and I like
Speaker 2: literally apologizing on their knees, saying, I'm so sorry that
Speaker 2: we didn't vote with you guys because Eden went home.
Speaker 2: What can we do to prove our loyalty? So but
Speaker 2: a day in Survivor changes so quickly, I.
Speaker 1: Mean a day in any of these reality shows. You know.
Speaker 1: I did a series of Big Brother, and I worked
Speaker 1: out that the day of the nomination, I actually did
Speaker 1: everyone's laundry and removed myself from conversation. And no one
Speaker 1: ever seemed to nominate me for like nine weeks because
Speaker 1: I was out of the loop of their mind, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I was so predominant in
Speaker 1: the first two weeks in their mind and I realized,
Speaker 1: everyone just votes for the last person who's done something controversial,
Speaker 1: So just shut up and do nothing that day, do
Speaker 1: something kind for everyone, you know.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what happened that day. I basically did that.
Speaker 2: So I was pretty comfortable with where I was at,
Speaker 2: and I was truly blindsided that I was like, at
Speaker 2: the scramble, guys, I'm going to make the coconut rice.
Speaker 2: So I made the best goddamn coconut rice that tribe
Speaker 2: has ever tasted. And I was feeding everyone. I was
Speaker 2: feeding Mark. Mark and I were looking at each other
Speaker 2: even though we knew we were well. He was voting
Speaker 2: for me and I was voting for him. And maybe
Speaker 2: had I inserted myself into more conversations at that scramble,
Speaker 2: maybe my spidy senses would have tingled.
Speaker 3: But that's how it played out.
Speaker 1: That's how it played out. Was it hard to watch
Speaker 1: last night? I mean, we got to see this moment
Speaker 1: as they were walking away from the tribal council and
Speaker 1: you hear feris talking to Kirby and saying thank you
Speaker 1: for eliminating her, you know, because I wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: able to. How did it feel for you? What was
Speaker 1: your reaction to being able to see that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not surprised because if I were in
Speaker 2: his position at one point, you got to take out
Speaker 2: the person who you've been aligning with the closest, because
Speaker 2: you guys are going to be playing a very similar
Speaker 2: game and pitching very similar pitches at.
Speaker 3: The very end.
Speaker 2: And I think, honestly, at that moment he was probably
Speaker 2: just trying to save his own ass and say to Kirby, oh,
Speaker 2: this is really not affecting me the way it actually is.
Speaker 2: But you will see later in Confessionals that he was angry.
Speaker 2: I think it was in the promo as well.
Speaker 1: We got to see that in the promo. That was
Speaker 1: what was really cool was we got to see him saying, oh, well,
Speaker 1: thank you for doing it. But then straight away we've
Speaker 1: got this promo where you do see him saying how
Speaker 1: upset he is, and you know, you can see he's
Speaker 1: devastated by that blindside. It's good to hear that you.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it sounds to me like you're believing he's
Speaker 1: upset rather than the backstabbing kind of comment that he
Speaker 1: made to Kirby.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, and you got to take everything
Speaker 2: really lightly it's a game at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: And I respect when you can speak to your enemy
Speaker 2: me and make it seem like it's all good, because
Speaker 2: I would have done the same. You know, a good
Speaker 2: Survivor player doesn't show their cards and show their frustration
Speaker 2: because it just shows that you're more unlikely to work
Speaker 2: with them in the future. So if you just play
Speaker 2: nice and accept it for what it is, like what
Speaker 2: Liz did in the previous season with George being like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's all good. You know Shawne voted out I understand
Speaker 2: and then cut them at the end. That's a good
Speaker 2: Survivor player to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was your plan to get rid of Ferris though,
Speaker 1: because you must have been already putting that plan in process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So my strategy was, I actually wanted to keep
Speaker 2: Kirby in the very beginning, keep Kirby and Ferris as
Speaker 2: my shields, and then had I been successful, now at
Speaker 2: merged to vote up Mark. It was actually my next
Speaker 2: pitch to vote out Kirby. Once Kirby was gone, then
Speaker 2: I would round out everybody else because Kirby was a
Speaker 2: huge leader, you know, she was so endearing and able
Speaker 2: to pull everyone in. But without that person, then I'd
Speaker 2: be able to work with everyone else have more agency.
Speaker 2: And then eventually, because people actually perceived Ferris as the
Speaker 2: biggest threatning the game, there would be it wouldn't be
Speaker 2: hard for people to convince people to vote him out
Speaker 2: at the end.
Speaker 1: So that was your plan to keep him to the
Speaker 1: end and then vote at Ferris well, to vote.
Speaker 2: Out any big players that I thought would go against
Speaker 2: would be competing with me at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I guess there's what a lot of the
Speaker 1: super fans want. They want to take the biggest players
Speaker 1: to the end just to beat them. So I guess
Speaker 1: that's kind of what your plan was, just to make
Speaker 1: sure that at the end, if you're going to win,
Speaker 1: you want to beat the best.
Speaker 2: But also if you want to win, you got to
Speaker 2: increase your chances, right, And so I understand the logic
Speaker 2: as well, And I'm not upset at any past player
Speaker 2: who has decided to take a goat to the end
Speaker 2: because you are increasing your odds and yes, title of
Speaker 2: Soul survivor also the other hand, five hundred thousand dollars, right,
Speaker 2: so yeah, increase your odds.
Speaker 1: Well, you and Raymond have been accused of being Ferris's
Speaker 1: goat for a while now there's a lot of goat
Speaker 1: memes that have been happening on social media. Right, did
Speaker 1: you worry about that title for yourself while you were
Speaker 1: playing the game, like while you're on the bea Samoa.
Speaker 2: No, because I had been told by other people that
Speaker 2: they didn't perceive me as a goat. So what you
Speaker 2: didn't see on the island was, you know, Valeria literally
Speaker 2: came up to me after her Aussie Barbecue reward challenge
Speaker 2: with Caroline, Mark and Kitty and I was like, so,
Speaker 2: what happened at the reward and she basically just told
Speaker 2: me that they went through each player and said what
Speaker 2: their strengths were. And she told me to my face
Speaker 2: that we were talking about you, Eileen, and how you're
Speaker 2: really good at and asking inquisitive deep questions and how
Speaker 2: you're able to really get down to the root of
Speaker 2: the problem. And I'm like, okay, well, if you perceive
Speaker 2: me as that, I don't think you think I'm a goat.
Speaker 2: And I knew Kirby was telling everybody that I was,
Speaker 2: you know, the person who was whispering things in Ferris's
Speaker 2: ear and coming up with the plan. So no, I
Speaker 2: never thought that people thought I was a goat.
Speaker 1: You must have all been thinking that there was an
Speaker 1: immunity idol being heaten somewhere in that auction. Did anyone
Speaker 1: suspect that Raymond had a clue or an immunity idol
Speaker 1: inside that popcorn barrel?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. You know me.
Speaker 2: I know that there's always an inkling there, that something's
Speaker 2: hidden in the well in the popcorn in this instance,
Speaker 2: and when Raymond was bidding so hard for it, I
Speaker 2: was like, look, I don't actually care for a popcorn
Speaker 2: at the stage, and I know that he's in my alliance,
Speaker 2: so I'll ask him later about what he found in
Speaker 2: the popcorn.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about Raymond. Raymond made
Speaker 1: a comment in this episode where he said, Oh, maybe
Speaker 1: my jokes don't land anymore. Maybe maybe my jokes never did.
Speaker 1: What did you have to say about Raymond's sense of humor,
Speaker 1: because he did sort of make a joke at some
Speaker 1: point that was didn't land with the audience, and it
Speaker 1: was kind of a little bit rude. He was kind
Speaker 1: of like Aileen, you know, what's she going to do
Speaker 1: after survival? There's something like that comment.
Speaker 3: I have no future yeah, you have no future.
Speaker 1: That to me because I was obsessed with Raymond up
Speaker 1: to that point, but that really cut me as an
Speaker 1: Eileen fan. How did you relate or understand that comment
Speaker 1: from him?
Speaker 2: No hard feelings at all, and I totally know where
Speaker 2: he came from, and I'll just explain it now. So
Speaker 2: from the very first day day on the beach, I
Speaker 2: had not revealed to anyone that my full time job
Speaker 2: is an operations manager for an investment fund. All I
Speaker 2: said was I was this happy, go lucky waitress, just happy.
Speaker 3: To be there.
Speaker 2: So I think he thought that I wasn't as smart
Speaker 2: as I was, or that that was sort of the
Speaker 2: reason why he thought I had no future.
Speaker 3: Not to say that, you know.
Speaker 2: People in hospitality, they can find success in their own ways,
Speaker 2: but I think that's where that comment derived from. So
Speaker 2: when I watched it back, I just laughed out loud
Speaker 2: to be honest, like it didn't phaze me at all,
Speaker 2: and I just wanted to make sure that everyone on
Speaker 2: social media knew that I was okay. And poor Raymond
Speaker 2: made an apology and I was like, this is so unnecessary,
Speaker 2: like it's I don't understand.
Speaker 1: It was rude, it was so rude. I was so annoyed.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, it.
Speaker 3: Was random but funny, like loll.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the explanation though, because that's making me feel
Speaker 1: a little bit better. And Raymon's still in the game,
Speaker 1: so I can go back to my love of Raymond again.
Speaker 3: We all love Raymond, Okay, everybody.
Speaker 1: Loves Raymond as his advantage stresses me out. And when
Speaker 1: he was reading out the information on his advantage, I
Speaker 1: was confused. Thankfully, in the Magic of Australian Survivor, we
Speaker 1: got to see the explanation, you know, explained pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: I still don't know how I would use that advantage.
Speaker 1: If you'd got that advantage, had you or have you
Speaker 1: been able to try and think? How do you how
Speaker 1: you would use it?
Speaker 2: Oh? God, if I got that advantage, I would be
Speaker 2: spinning in my head because why would I want everyone
Speaker 2: to put their votes on me? Because once they first
Speaker 2: of all, that was almost going to happen previously, and
Speaker 2: I feel like if you constantly aim for people to
Speaker 2: target you, well you're just going to be front of
Speaker 2: mine for the next one and the next one. So honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't know how I would have done it. I
Speaker 2: would have probably had to be pull off some like
Speaker 2: extra sneaky move and betray everyone and get all the
Speaker 2: hatred so that everyone would vote for me.
Speaker 3: But like why would I want that?
Speaker 2: And also like I had, you know, everyone kind of
Speaker 2: liked me on the tribe, Like, I don't know how
Speaker 2: I would have done. The one to eighty in the
Speaker 2: next three tribal councils is the wild advantage, and we'll
Speaker 2: see what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a wild advantage. I mean I think it
Speaker 1: would take me a couple of days to try and
Speaker 1: work out how to use it. So, I mean he's
Speaker 1: got a timeframe, there's a time frame. Yeah, who do
Speaker 1: you think at this stage of the game is in
Speaker 1: the best place to win in regards to sort of
Speaker 1: the people that are standing out in front or looking
Speaker 1: like the biggest or strongest contenders, Well, how do you
Speaker 1: think that those how do you think they're going to go?
Speaker 2: Look, if Kirby can manage to lower her threat level
Speaker 2: for the next however many tribal councils, then I think
Speaker 2: she has played one of the best games we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: But she's just exposed herself and you can see that
Speaker 2: in her confessionals. She just wants to be in control
Speaker 2: a lot of the time. So all I have to
Speaker 2: say is, like, good luck, Kirby. If you can, if
Speaker 2: your personality is able to pull everyone in, I think,
Speaker 2: and not be voted out, then I think you can
Speaker 2: make it to the end. So Kirby isn't the running
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: And Caroline, And you know, she's doing very well, but
Speaker 1: she's not exactly the most popular player. What advice do
Speaker 1: you have for her? Because I mean, that's interesting advice
Speaker 1: for Kirby, but what advice do you have for Caroline.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing for Caroline is I had not played
Speaker 2: with her for the first half of the game, right,
Speaker 2: so I had come into this merge and I didn't
Speaker 2: really know what her previous moves were. So I guess
Speaker 2: from watching in hindsight, my advice to Caroline is you
Speaker 2: got to like be very certain with which direction you
Speaker 2: want to go and not be paranoid, because once you're paranoid,
Speaker 2: you kind of let other people dictate your game and
Speaker 2: you're just gonna go with whoever's not going to vote
Speaker 2: you out. So I think she needs to find the
Speaker 2: confidence that she had very early on back herself rejiggle
Speaker 2: her social game and that'll propel her to the end.
Speaker 1: Actually, I feel like I want to know every single
Speaker 1: person's outcomes in the world of Aileen. I'm like every month,
Speaker 1: but we don't have enough time on the podcast, so
Speaker 1: you know, I think I'll just leave it with you.
Speaker 1: What advice do you have for your bestie Ferris? How
Speaker 1: is he going to move forward from this point?
Speaker 3: Good question.
Speaker 2: I think Ferris is doing a great job already at
Speaker 2: inserting himself in every single conversation, but I think maybe
Speaker 2: he needs to build slightly stronger personal connections with everyone
Speaker 2: and not make everything about strategy, because you know, back
Speaker 2: at Titan's camp, I had a conversation with.
Speaker 3: Winner and Valeria and I was like, well, I know why.
Speaker 2: You didn't work with us, but what else can we
Speaker 2: do to maybe convince you guys to work with us?
Speaker 2: And he was like, they were like, look, you have
Speaker 2: attempted to make these personal connections and talk about your life,
Speaker 2: Raymond and Ferris nada, and I went straight to Ferris
Speaker 2: and Raymond. I was like, guys, you need to start
Speaker 2: talking to Valeria about your life now, because otherwise they're
Speaker 2: not going to feel that connection. So I think he
Speaker 2: needs to do that, and we'll see how far it
Speaker 2: can take him to the end.
Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing, My god, good, good advice on all accounts.
Speaker 1: I've got no idea, but I think that you certainly do,
Speaker 1: so I'm ready to take it. I've been asking everyone
Speaker 1: to finish this sentence in the Game of Survivors.
Speaker 2: In the game of Survivor, be prepared to adapt to
Speaker 2: any situation because you never know what curveball is going
Speaker 2: to be thrown at you, and you're put in a
Speaker 2: scenario with twenty three other players that you have no
Speaker 2: idea how they are in their actual life, So just
Speaker 2: be prepared to be open minded and play that game.
Speaker 2: I have so much personal advice about how my experience
Speaker 2: on how I got on the show, because thankfully enough,
Speaker 2: I just auditioned once, and I could go on about it,
Speaker 2: but I guess I'll say the one thing is ask
Speaker 2: your friends and family their perspective of you. Ask them
Speaker 2: about what they think your strengths are, but also your weaknesses,
Speaker 2: because you may think you are very self aware and
Speaker 2: know how you are portrayed, but actually it's the audience
Speaker 2: and it's the casting producers who get the view of
Speaker 2: you like your family and friends, and if you're able
Speaker 2: to acknowledge the strengths and weaknesses you have and talk
Speaker 2: to them about it, they have a better idea of
Speaker 2: what you're going to be like on the show. When
Speaker 2: you're deprived of hunger and sleep.
Speaker 1: I would say your audition for any show, and I
Speaker 1: would cost you. Woman in there she is write television
Speaker 1: like it's really do you know what? One of the
Speaker 1: things I want to finish with with you is so
Speaker 1: many people will apply to go on shows and want
Speaker 1: to be a fan favorite, you know, and then you
Speaker 1: can see that in them, where with you, there was
Speaker 1: this humble quality and it's really hard to pull off,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's something that makes a show like
Speaker 1: this work. It's a hard person to cast, like you know,
Speaker 1: I've got friends that cast reality shows a lot, and
Speaker 1: it's a really hard piece of the puzzle because you
Speaker 1: need someone who is effortlessly that without looking like they're
Speaker 1: trying to achieve that. If that makes.
Speaker 2: Sense, Yeah, that you know, those words are really touching
Speaker 2: to me because it wasn't like I was trying to
Speaker 2: be anyone's favorite out there.
Speaker 3: I was just trying to play my own game.
Speaker 2: But I think if you just go into it knowing
Speaker 2: that you have this opportunity that's a once in a
Speaker 2: lifetime and you don't, you know, expect too much of
Speaker 2: an outcome. You just play the game, and if you're
Speaker 2: really passionate about it and you make those connections, I
Speaker 2: think people will be able to see that you're just
Speaker 2: genuine self on there, and that's what people love.
Speaker 1: They certainly do, they really do. Everyone who joins the
Speaker 1: podcast gets asked this question, what is something from behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, something we didn't get a chance to say
Speaker 1: throughout your time in Samoa.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So you know, as a survivor super fan, I was
Speaker 2: freaking out when we had that very first scene where
Speaker 2: we walk them to the mat and it's that fired
Speaker 2: challenge and Jonathan is there and we're meeting him for
Speaker 2: the first time and there's all these cameras. So I
Speaker 2: was beaming, but I was so nervous, and I knew
Speaker 2: for some reason, Jonathan was going to ask me a question,
Speaker 2: and so I was like, Okay, when he asks me
Speaker 2: a question, I'm gonna Curtsey because he's royalty and it's
Speaker 2: gonna be funny. Everyone's gonna laugh. But when he asked
Speaker 2: me a question. He was like, Eileen, I was like yes,
Speaker 2: Jonathan and curtseyed no. One laughed, and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is so embarrassing. I hope they
Speaker 2: don't put it on. And then he asked me what
Speaker 2: does it mean for you to wear your buff? And
Speaker 2: in hindsight, I understand that he was trying to get
Speaker 2: me to talk about my superfandom and how it was
Speaker 2: my dream to wear the buff mean everything. But I
Speaker 2: choked up and I was literally like, it means the
Speaker 2: game is on.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I hope this isn't air, and.
Speaker 2: Thank god it didn't air, and I told all my
Speaker 2: friends about it. I was like, just watch out for
Speaker 2: the curtsy. It is going to become a meme or something.
Speaker 1: But it's the worst part I'd been a part of
Speaker 1: a show and you're waiting for the show to go
Speaker 1: to air. I remember I did this show for the
Speaker 1: ABC and it was something like nine months between you
Speaker 1: know the record and TX and I tell you what,
Speaker 1: I just had so many nightmares about it, and then
Speaker 1: it was about a week before it came out. The
Speaker 1: executive producer slipped into my dms on social media and
Speaker 1: said you are really brilliant in this episode, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, why think someone put
Speaker 1: me out of my misery earlier?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I just.
Speaker 1: Want to say thank you so much for the passion,
Speaker 1: the energy and the level of entertainment that you've brought
Speaker 1: to this series. I think you were so fantastic and
Speaker 1: like a lot of the super fandom, I think we're
Speaker 1: going to be in your audience for a very long time.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the opportunity and the compassionate space to
Speaker 2: be able to talk on your podcast.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I hope this isn't the last that you
Speaker 3: guys will see me.
Speaker 1: Hell no, like you. But by the way, when that
Speaker 1: chart was there with you and Aidan at the top,
Speaker 1: you were still at the top. You were still beating
Speaker 1: Aiden on most wanted to Return. I think it was
Speaker 1: most wanted to return and the charts had other players
Speaker 1: from other seasons as well, so to be sitting at
Speaker 1: the top.
Speaker 2: Wow, you know I need to scroll through Twitter x
Speaker 2: later and find these. I know, straight after the episode
Speaker 2: last night, I was like, do not disturb vote. I'm
Speaker 2: going to get my beauty sleep because I have these interviews.
Speaker 2: So I haven't really seen much, but I feel all
Speaker 2: the love