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Speaker 1: Job mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Our next guest is a wonderful all rounder. She's a

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Speaker 2: TV presenter, she's an entrepreneur, but did you know she

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Speaker 2: started as an investment banker. This is why she can

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Speaker 2: run her business so well. We're talking about Sally over

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Speaker 2: me that and she's part of a project to help

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Speaker 2: other small businesses navigate their way through the pandemic. Sally, Hello,

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Speaker 2: Hi guys, how you going good?

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Speaker 3: How you being?

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Speaker 1: Ah? You know lockdown?

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Speaker 2: Oh it's tough, isn't it. I know that you have

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Speaker 2: a successful business called Swish, and I follow all your

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Speaker 2: socials and things, and I know you you're doing a

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Speaker 2: lot of great stuff. But if you had to pivot

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Speaker 2: through all of this, have you had to move more online?

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Speaker 2: What changes have you had to make?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, We've had to definitely change. I think like all businesses,

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Speaker 1: and I think one of the big things is also

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Speaker 1: just looking after your team. I think more than ever,

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Speaker 1: you're having to actually look after your team, look after

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Speaker 1: their mental health. And one's working from home. I'm sort

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Speaker 1: of separated people are, you know, might be juggling home

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Speaker 1: school length. So we're having to kind of, I guess,

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Speaker 1: spend more time really just making sure everyone's okay. And

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Speaker 1: then of course you've got all your logistical kind of issues.

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Speaker 1: You know, things are slowing down, it's harder to get things,

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Speaker 1: it's harder to get stuff to your customers. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're definitely having to adapt, and I think all businesses are.

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Speaker 3: I was watching the news the other night and ares

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Speaker 3: this motel owner in Byron Bray and she just was

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Speaker 3: beside herself as she was trying to put on a

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Speaker 3: brave face, but then she just kind of broke down

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Speaker 3: in the news story. So, you know, it's easy if

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Speaker 3: you're employed and you're getting paid. If you're a small business,

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Speaker 3: how do you get through this?

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Speaker 1: Really, it's actually really tough. And I think the thing

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Speaker 1: is is that most I think you know, most business

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Speaker 1: owners end up either like dipping into their savings or

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Speaker 1: they cut back on groceries. Ly, they do stuff because

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Speaker 1: everyone ultimately really wants to keep their staff employed. I

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Speaker 1: think when you run a business, you're always thinking about

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Speaker 1: how can you make sure everyone still has a job

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Speaker 1: at the end of this. This is actually something's very

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Speaker 1: important for us, and you want to make sure the

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Speaker 1: business stays afloat, you know, And I think that that's

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Speaker 1: a really tough thing. I think people need to understand

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Speaker 1: that it's really difficult for business owners and you've got

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Speaker 1: to kind of I sometimes say to employees, if you

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Speaker 1: can try and you know, think of what it's like

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Speaker 1: for that business owner who's desperately trying to keep you

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Speaker 1: in a job, you know, doing all they can. As

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Speaker 1: you said, we try to keep a brave faith. That's

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Speaker 1: not always easy.

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Speaker 2: So what do you suggest for people who are in

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Speaker 2: that position? Where do they go? What do they do?

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Speaker 1: So definitely, I think get any help you can get.

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Speaker 1: I think a couple of things. I think always it's

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Speaker 1: important to talk. I think like in any issue, you

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Speaker 1: need to find other people who are going through it

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Speaker 1: so you can offload. That's a really big thing. And

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Speaker 1: then I think any kind of support this there is,

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Speaker 1: whether it's with your bank, whether it's any government glances,

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Speaker 1: anything that you can get, please take it. You know.

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Speaker 1: I've actually been working with vis to Print, especially because

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Speaker 1: they wanted to help some businesses and they've chosen six

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Speaker 1: Ozzy brands. They gave them a full brand, refresh marketing materials,

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Speaker 1: and fifteen thousand dollars cash because they realized that actually

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Speaker 1: that's what people in a small business need. They need

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Speaker 1: this sort of help.

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Speaker 3: You know what I do well, I know we spend

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Speaker 3: all our money on our little dollies in our TV ads.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen them, Sally, I have.

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Speaker 1: And I love them.

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Speaker 3: The other thing would you do?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: Amanda's idea was one of those inflatable wavy guys out

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Speaker 3: in the front of the building.

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Speaker 2: Not everyone in the world would see it, but a few.

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Speaker 3: Would, suggesting we could put all our money into that,

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Speaker 3: and I said, well, let's go with dollies instead. Well, Sally,

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Speaker 3: this is great Vista print supporting small business. Visit VistaPrint

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Speaker 3: dot com dot au. It's always good to catch up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nice to see it. Nice to hear your smiling

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Speaker 2: voice and to see your smiling face pushing through on socials.

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Speaker 2: You guys are doing an amazing job.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Lots of love to you guys.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Sally, Jonesy and Amanda's