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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation, Emma Gillespie.

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Speaker 2: Hello, how are we today?

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Speaker 3: Very well, I'm intrigued. We're going to be talking about

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Speaker 3: Katie Perry.

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Speaker 1: We are, well, everyone's mad at Katie Perry.

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Speaker 2: She's got a new song. We'll have a little play

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 3: First sounds like it's from a Barbie soundtrack.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I think this entire saga is playing a

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Speaker 2: little bit into the Barbie moment. So it's not the

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Speaker 2: song that people are mad at, it's the video. There's

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Speaker 2: a video clip.

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Speaker 3: Out Jones has been watching for the last half hours.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of men have been watching it,

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Speaker 2: and if they haven't yet, they'll be popping onto YouTube

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Speaker 2: in a moment's.

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Speaker 3: Time and checking it out. Bikini top, He'll be close

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Speaker 3: ups of the bosoms and stuff, lots.

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Speaker 2: Of close up of Buzzy. She's got a sort of

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Speaker 2: star spangled ryanstoned bikini, sort of caricaturing Rosie the riveting

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Speaker 2: you know, the World War two.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we can do it.

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Speaker 2: Feminist icon call to arms for women literally and this

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Speaker 2: whole video. Katie says it's satire, but people were very

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Speaker 2: mad because you've got this song that's supposed to be

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Speaker 2: a feminist anthem. We're saying women can do anything. But

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Speaker 2: the woman who's telling you that you can do anything

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Speaker 2: is objectively one of the hottest women alive.

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Speaker 3: And dressing in a very provocative way, very evocative way.

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Speaker 2: So people were upset. They were like, this is not feminism,

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Speaker 2: this is not a good take. And then Katie sort

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Speaker 2: of preempted that with this video that appears to have

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Speaker 2: been filmed on the set of the video clip, but

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Speaker 2: that she released after the backlash, And here's what she

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Speaker 2: had to say. We're kind of just having fun being

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Speaker 2: a bit sarcastic with her.

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Speaker 1: It's very slapstick and very on the nose, and with

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Speaker 1: this set it's like.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're like, we're not about the male gates, but

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Speaker 2: we really are about the male gates.

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Speaker 3: So she negates everything with that sentence, we want men

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Speaker 3: to look at us after all that? Can I say,

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Speaker 3: as a mother of sons, I'm conflicted that could you

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Speaker 3: write a song today? As a man's world, You couldn't

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Speaker 3: write that today.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's all well and good to put

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Speaker 2: the beautiful outfits on and look hot and have the

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Speaker 2: video and sing the song, but like, what does it

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Speaker 2: really mean? It's a woman's world and we're lucky to

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Speaker 2: be living in it. Like we're half the human race?

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Speaker 2: What would happen if we weren't?

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Speaker 3: So what are we going to negate men entirely? We

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Speaker 3: I know why young men turned to Andrew Tait.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that the song is about attacking men.

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Speaker 2: There's no sort of there's no real mention of men.

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Speaker 2: It's very camp and fun and sparkly, but it's just

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Speaker 2: whether or not it's kind of very deep, and it's

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Speaker 2: not it's dumb. The other thing that people are upset

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Speaker 2: about is this song. It's only about two minutes forty

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Speaker 2: but apparently it took six people to write it, and

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Speaker 2: four of those six were men, and one man in particular.

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Speaker 2: One of the head writers on this song is a guy,

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Speaker 2: a producer called doctor Luke. Everyone's upset about this one,

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Speaker 2: and I can kind of forgive the other stuff, but

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Speaker 2: this one is a little bit sketchier. So Doctor Luke

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Speaker 2: was accused of drugging and assaulting Kesher, the singer who

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Speaker 2: she took him to court. She said that he threatened

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Speaker 2: her family, that he abused her and that led to

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Speaker 2: an eating disorder and sort of this huge part of

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Speaker 2: her life that she lost to this whole entire case

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Speaker 2: that was settled with no conviction. But Perry is sort

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Speaker 2: of has come under a lot of heat for kind

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Speaker 2: of using this guy, not only for working with someone

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Speaker 2: accused of such sort of distressing behavior, but also working

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Speaker 2: with someone accused of that on a song that's meant

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Speaker 2: to be this famorin Man. So, yeah, everyone's upset with Katie,

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Speaker 2: but she's a thirty nine year old pop star. Despite

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Speaker 2: what she says, it's a man's world. What do we

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Speaker 2: want from her?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: The game of pop music is a young person's world.

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Speaker 1: It's hard tod it's a young person's world.

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Speaker 3: But everything is over analyzed, everything is scrutinized, and you

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Speaker 3: pretend to have a message and then you can't say

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Speaker 3: it's not really a message, and just.

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Speaker 2: I just want to look pretty.

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Speaker 1: When James Brand came out with this.

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Speaker 3: And can't it be a wolf for everybody's Brander? Who's

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Speaker 3: going to write that song? I think it's I will,

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Speaker 3: and I'll sing it in a brunch coat made of flannel?

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Speaker 2: Left?

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Speaker 1: Did a man come up with the idea for the

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Speaker 1: film Kit? Yeah, Katie wouldn't be surprised you should have

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Speaker 1: more bosom and more bum on.

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Speaker 2: I think it's okay to be as hot as Katy Perry,

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Speaker 2: but just you know, shake your thing and do you

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Speaker 2: think it doesn't have to be that complicated?

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Speaker 1: Well said, you'll catch her in the daily eyes. M

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Speaker 1: thank you. We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much,