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Speaker 1: Now we know that this debate is now going to

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Speaker 1: be happening tomorrow. The standing orders will indeed be suspended

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Speaker 1: tomorrow morning. And joining me on the phone right now

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Speaker 1: is Kesier Puric, who is indeed the independent Member for

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Speaker 1: god the former Speaker of the Northern Territories Legislative Assembly.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Kezier, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie. Good pointing to rule and bush people.

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Speaker 1: Anyone now, Kesier, we did speak to the Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: earlier this morning. You heard that interview she'd spoken about. Well,

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Speaker 1: I asked her whether the debate is going to go

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Speaker 1: for longer than sixteen minutes? She said she spoke to

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Speaker 1: the Speaker yesterday. Can you talk us through what would

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Speaker 1: be the situation now?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess what the situation is is that this

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Speaker 2: hasn't been done before. So the Chief Minister we've been

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Speaker 2: seeking guidance from the Speaker and the Clerk of the

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Speaker 2: Parliament as to how to make it happen. And what

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Speaker 2: I mean by it's never happened before is we haven't well,

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Speaker 2: not to my memory, have come back into the Parliament

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Speaker 2: just to be read out that they've been addressed but

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Speaker 2: not debated. So the standing order says the sixteen minutes

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Speaker 2: and se many minutes per member and then that was it.

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Speaker 2: So in suspending standing orders to say, let's push that aside,

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Speaker 2: what are we going to do how long we're going

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Speaker 2: to let people speak for? Because it's unprecedented and that's

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Speaker 2: not in the standing order. So the Chief Minister would

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Speaker 2: have been taking guidance from, as I said, the Speaker

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Speaker 2: and the Clerk. What I think could probably eventuate, which

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Speaker 2: is common sense, is just to have it for any

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Speaker 2: other speech in the Parliament. Someone gets up and moves

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Speaker 2: the motion. That would be perhaps the Chief Minister in

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Speaker 2: this regard, she gets thirty minutes. The next speaker, which

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Speaker 2: is usually the Opposition leader, they get thirty minutes. Every

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Speaker 2: other member gets twenty minutes. So it could be treated

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Speaker 2: no differently to any other speech or matter that gets

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Speaker 2: debated in the Parliament, except there'd be no committee states.

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Speaker 2: There'd just be members getting up across the floor or

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Speaker 2: not across the floor, Government, Opposition, Independence, etc. Until everyone

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Speaker 2: who's spoken has spoken and then the debate can conclude.

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Speaker 1: So is that what we're going to say, dear Reckon?

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Speaker 1: Is that what we're going to say tomorrow? Do you,

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Speaker 1: Reckon Casier?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to see that because that's in keeping

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Speaker 2: with what happens on the floor of the Parliament. It's

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Speaker 2: allocated for understanding orders already, it's just not attached to

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Speaker 2: petition debate. So to me, it's a logical way of

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Speaker 2: dealing with it is just to treat it like any

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Speaker 2: other matter that's before the Parliament. Lots of members, some

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Speaker 2: members may not wish to speak for whatever reason, and

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Speaker 2: twenty minutes is that's a pretty good go, you know,

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Speaker 2: for any subject material. And I think if that's what eventuates,

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Speaker 2: that is then respectful of the matter before the Parliament.

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Speaker 2: And I think that would bring comfort to some people

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Speaker 2: that the Parliament and the members are addressing the matter

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Speaker 2: seriously and they're contributing to the debate, bringing their personal experiences,

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Speaker 2: their experiences from their constituents and perhaps referencing as a

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Speaker 2: party like Labor or simple referencing their policies how they'd

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Speaker 2: address some of the issues and perhaps all so address

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Speaker 2: the key points that have been put into the petition.

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Speaker 1: So, Casey, you just explained to us again one last time.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow morning at ten o'clock when the Parliament kicks off,

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Speaker 1: obviously there's going to be that agreement that the standing

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Speaker 1: orders are suspended, and then what will happen next? How

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Speaker 1: will it be determined how long the discussion's going to

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Speaker 1: go for or to what extent?

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, prayers, welcome to country. Then probably the Chief

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Speaker 2: Minister will get up and say, mister speaker, I seek

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Speaker 2: to suspend standing orders in accordance with the standing orders,

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Speaker 2: to allow the debate on the petition to be fulsome

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Speaker 2: and have this time limit, and every member speak this,

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Speaker 2: so she may do that, or the lead of Government

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Speaker 2: business is Chancey Paik, he may do it, and then

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Speaker 2: the debate would continue it. So the first the government

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Speaker 2: person who gets up and talk will put the I

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Speaker 2: guess you call them the terms of the debate to

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Speaker 2: the Parliament and that's the motion in itself, and if

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Speaker 2: perhaps the opposition is not entirely comfortable with it, or

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Speaker 2: they wanted to add something to it, they can then

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Speaker 2: respond to that motion. So basically it's emotions at any meeting.

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Speaker 2: I move this. Does everyone agree with it? No? Not quite?

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Speaker 2: I want to add this bit. So that's what would happen,

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Speaker 2: and then the debate would start and usually courtesy, you know,

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Speaker 2: the Chief Minister would speak first and then it would

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Speaker 2: just bounce across the chamber until everyone's had their day.

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Speaker 1: And so there won't be a situation where it's like

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Speaker 1: you've only got three minutes each to speak, or only

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Speaker 1: a certain number.

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Speaker 2: So no, it doesn't seem so because the Chief Minister,

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Speaker 2: I thought or think, made it very clear this morning

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Speaker 2: that that is not going to happen. That there will

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Speaker 2: be adequate time allocated for members to speak to the

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Speaker 2: petition if they want to. And I'm just suggesting. I'm

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Speaker 2: not telling him Speaker how to do his job, but

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Speaker 2: I'm just suggesting the standing orders would already allow for

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Speaker 2: a certain amount of time to remember for any other

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Speaker 2: matter before the Parlament, and this could be just adopted.

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Speaker 2: But also it's also a note no doubt that the

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Speaker 2: Speaker and the members of the Standing Audits Committee, because

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Speaker 2: there's a committee that looks at the rule book, they

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Speaker 2: may wish to take this on board and make amendments

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Speaker 2: in the very near future to our famiels so that

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Speaker 2: we can accommodate this kind of situation into the future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Kesier Puric, I always appreciate your time, particularly

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Speaker 1: this morning. I'm just talking us through that. Please keep

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Speaker 1: us up to date tomorrow morning with what happens if

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Speaker 1: you're able to well do Katie, Thanks, thank you, Thanks

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Speaker 1: Kezier