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Speaker 1: Now we've spoken at lengths on this show about the

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Speaker 1: Just yesterday we spoke to a business owner who'd been

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Speaker 1: We also told you about the school in Malac being

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Speaker 2: Every morning.

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Speaker 1: We're receiving calls and messages from you guys everyday, Territorians

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Speaker 1: now is the Minister for Police, Nicole Manison.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Mano, Good morning Katie Minister. Are

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Speaker 3: We have got a lot of extra people that are

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Speaker 3: and that has been changing their behavior. When we do

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Speaker 1: When we spoke to the Chief Minister just a couple

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Speaker 2: What's the latest on those numbers.

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Speaker 3: No, those numbers are about still at that two thousand.

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Speaker 3: We have seen some people go back home to community

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Speaker 3: But what again, I want to assure your listeners is

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Speaker 1: Minister, what measures are going to be taken to get

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Speaker 3: Well, we have just had the school holidays, we've had

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Speaker 3: early advice is that we have seen some of those

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Speaker 3: That is an absolute fact and that's the reality of

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Speaker 1: All right, So what work is going to happen, What

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're doing more of a press on the return

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Speaker 1: All Right, you and I have spoken on many occasions

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Speaker 1: Yesterday I had an eighty year old man, an eighty

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll say it absolutely breaks your heart when you

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Speaker 3: but we never stop working hard on it. We've had

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Speaker 1: I know that the government keeps saying, and we've certainly

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Speaker 3: Yes, so there are a range of different streams that

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Speaker 3: So they are different funding streams. Each agency is responsible

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Speaker 3: There is a huge amount of urgency in this space.

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Speaker 3: We respond to the jobs as they come in every day.

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Speaker 3: that space, Katie, and we're going to be doing more.

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Speaker 2: So you are going to be doing more.

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Speaker 1: I know you've mentioned then trying to amp things up

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Speaker 2: But what more is going to be done?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again we've got more details that will be released, Katie,

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Speaker 3: But I just want to assure you that there will

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Speaker 1: I get what you're saying that obviously there's going to

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Speaker 3: Us, and that's what we're doing, Katie. But again, I

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Speaker 1: The police told me a couple of weeks ago that

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Speaker 2: Twenty percent more.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a phenomenal amount of work for our

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Speaker 3: Because I think the issues of the Northern Territory are

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Speaker 1: So do Territorians just need to accept that we're going

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Speaker 3: Katie. I've grown up in the Northern Territory my entire life,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. And what I want to assure them is

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Speaker 1: Minister, I've got a message here from Kerrie because I

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Speaker 1: Somebody else had messaged through and said, can you please

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Speaker 2: Is it the worst you've seen it?

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Speaker 3: There's definitely a lot more people around the way I

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Speaker 1: Even about two weeks ago, I had two women in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And unfortunately I have heard stories like you referred

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Speaker 3: Or we have got them working at their normal capacity

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Speaker 2: I think that what they want to see is action.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I can assure them that we are taking

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, I know that you do

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Speaker 1: another meeting COVID close contacts in other states, New South

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Speaker 1: All right, Nicole Madison, the Police Minister, and are you

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Speaker 3: The Chief Minister is on op paternity leave at the moment,

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Speaker 3: And as we know in the COVID world, you're actually

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Speaker 3: so that they've had to isolate as well. So we're

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Speaker 1: Well, Nicole Madison, we appreciate your time. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: Show this morning.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate yours.

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Speaker 2: Thank you