1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: The Will and Woody Podcast. 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 2: That's fite sized. 3 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Will and Woody on your Friday, on this very sad 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: momentous day, really remembering the greatest ever monarch, Queen Elizabeth. I. 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure I don't need to remind you passed away 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: well this morning in Australia, and we're remembering a wonderful woman. 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: And I was going to say a wonderful leader, a 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: wonderful monarch, but let's focus on the woman thing for now. 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: She obviously was a person in and of her own right, 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: something that we forget given her stature, given her prowess, 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: given her grace on the public stage. But somebody who 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: knew her as an individual was a former butler of 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: the Royal Palace and former butler to Princess Diana, Paul Burrell, 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: who joins us right now on Will and Woody. 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: Welcome, Paul, Hi, Will and Woody. It's a very sad time. 16 00:00:53,680 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's let's talk. I yeah, yeah, some you'rebviously 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: knew the queen as an individual, and I think this 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: is something which fascinates me and I'm sure a lot 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: of our audience. If you think back on your time 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: with her, do you have a particular moment which is 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: sort of stands out for you, which is something which 22 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: is representative of her as a person, or a moment 23 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: a memory that you cherish most. 24 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, well she changed my life. When I was eighteen, 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: I went to bucky and Palace and she chose me 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: to look after her personally, and I traveled the world 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,919 Speaker 2: with her. I came to Australia three times. She showed 28 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: me life. She was inspirational. In fact, she encouraged me 29 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: to get married. She said, well, you ever thought of 30 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: getting married? I said, well, not recently. No. She said, well, 31 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: I have a look around the palace. There are some 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: lovely young girls. So I spied Prince Philip's maid and 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: I got married. She said, you'll you'll find it's a 34 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: wonderful institution. And when children arrive, they are the glue 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: that holds your marriage together. 36 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: I think one of the reasons that people worship her 37 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 3: or love her so much is that, in this bizarre way, 38 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: she was sort of relatable. Like, you know, no one 39 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: can relate to the life that she leads, but she 40 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 3: did seem to have a lot of relatable traits, and 41 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 3: you know, you'd hear stories coming out about how she 42 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 3: loved a jam sandwich, and that she loved a gen 43 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: and tea with morning tea. Can you tell us a 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: little bit just about the sort the sorts of requests 45 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 3: she'd make on a daily basis. 46 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, she's a creature of habit. She got up 47 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: every morning at the same time harpast eight, she went 48 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: to bed at midnight every night, and in between she 49 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: filled a day with normal things that we all do. 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: I mean, she did drink an awful lot in my day, 51 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: I mean enough to put you under the table, really, 52 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 2: but in in recent in recent years, she did drink 53 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 2: at all. Since Prince Philip died. She just drank apple juice. 54 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: She was very measured in everything she did. 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: Paul, on your on your time with her, obviously I 56 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: was reading today. So she, you know, presided over something 57 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: like seventeen British prime ministers, obviously most recently in Liz Trust. 58 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: But then it began with and this is just an 59 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: indication of how long her reign was. Obviously began with 60 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: Winston Churchill in a tumultuous time. Of everything that happened 61 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: within her reign, what do you think was the most stressful, 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: was the most arduous for her. What emotionally could you 63 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: see had the biggest toll on her. 64 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: I think the death of Princess Diana, without doubt, right, 65 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: I think that really shook her. She didn't understand how 66 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: the she didn't connect with the public on that occasion. 67 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you were Princess dies Butler as well. Can 68 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about what their relationship was 69 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: and how they connected in what ways they connected? 70 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: The Queen was very close to Princess Diana and she 71 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: supported her in her time, and in return, Princess Dinah 72 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: was supportive of the monarchy, and she was very proud 73 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: to be a member of the royal family. And incidentally, 74 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: she was proud that her boys were also members of 75 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: the royal family, which, of course brings us to the 76 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: point where the Queen's passing may bring the boys back 77 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: together because they will have to stand side by his 78 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: side once again at a funeral. 79 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: Paul, is there anything to look into the facts we're 80 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: hearing you today that I mean, this must be really 81 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: difficult for Harry that he was too late to say goodbye. 82 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: What would you take on that be? 83 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: I think Harry will be gutted because he had the 84 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: chance to do it last time when he came over 85 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: for the Platinum Jubilee, he and Meghan disappeared and didn't 86 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: say goodbye to the Queen. They just flew off back 87 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: to America, and the Queen was awfully disappointed that she 88 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: never got to say goodbye to them. The Queen actually 89 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: turned around to someone and said, well, ah, Harry and 90 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: Megan coming ou up to tea, and somebody said they've gone, 91 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: your majesty really well they never said goodbye. 92 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well interesting, all right, well look we've got more 93 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: with Paul Burrell right up next, butler of the Royal 94 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: Palace and former butler of Princess Dinah. Right up next. 95 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere. 96 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: It's Willemoddy remembering Queen Elizabeth the Second. On Friday the 97 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: ninth September. It's Williamoddy. A very sad, very momentous day. 98 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: We are commemorating remembering Queen Elizabeth the Second, and currently 99 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: to help us do that, we have an intimate look 100 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: inside the life of the palace and in fact into 101 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: the Queen herself. We've got Paul Burrell, former butler of 102 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: the Royal Palace and former butler to Princess Diana, who 103 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: joins us on the phone. 104 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: Right now. 105 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Paul. 106 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: It's good to be back with you. But remembering the 107 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: Queen is very upsetting for me because standing beside every 108 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: eleven years was a long time. 109 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like you guys had a really special relationship. 110 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: She seemed like she had a wonderful sense of humor, 111 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: like he was constantly, you know, almost cheeky in some ways, 112 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: I know, in terms of very international flair as well. 113 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: She was never shy of, you know, showing what she 114 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: thought or how she thought, but she always did it 115 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: with such subtlety and such poise and class. Personally. For you, 116 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: what what was her sense of humor in a personal sense? 117 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 1: Do you remember laughing with her about things? 118 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: I do? She was a very calming influence, especially with 119 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 2: Prince Philip around. I mean, Prince Philip was obviously famous 120 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: for one liners which were not politically correct, and she 121 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 2: would say to him, oh, darling, do you have to 122 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: say that? He would come through, mumbling and bumbling and 123 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: say and swearing and why do you have so many dogs? 124 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: And they're so they're so collectible. The Queen was very 125 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 2: good at putting out fires, and she lacked a smooth passage, 126 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: and she's tried to smooth the passage for King Charles 127 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: and Queen Camilla. I'm not a fan of King Charles 128 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: and Queen Camilla. I would much rather have King William 129 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: and Queen Kate. Yeah, but we have to cross this 130 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: bridge to get to William and Kate. 131 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: So, Paul, sorry, you genuinely concerned that Charles will lead 132 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: in a way that I mean has significant impact on lives. 133 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: I just feel that there's something not quite right in 134 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: rewarding Charles and Camilla with the greatest accolades of the 135 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: land with crowns on their heads after what happened with Diana. 136 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so let's see if we can talk about 137 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: that a bit more. What's your experience with Charles as 138 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: a person. 139 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: Me, I witnessed someone who is very selfish and concerned 140 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: in his own world and never really gave a second 141 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: thought to Diana and her world. And you know, is 142 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: that the right quality for a king. He's very petulant. 143 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a man who has his shoelacers 144 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: ironed in the morning. This is the one who has 145 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: his toothpaste. He has his toothpaste is put onto his toothbrush. 146 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: Did you ever iron the shoelaces or put the toothpaste 147 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: on yourself? No? 148 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: I didn't do that because he had two valets to 149 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: do that for him. Prince Charles has a staff probably 150 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: as big as the queen's, so he's probably settling him 151 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: very well. Now. 152 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: I heard a rumor, Paul, that he travels with his 153 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: own toilet seat. Is that true? 154 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: That is true? Yes, he travels with paintings, with carpets, 155 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: with pieces of furniture, things that he's he likes to 156 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: have around him. 157 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 3: Paul, Is there is there any other story like that 158 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: shows off her sense of humor or the woman that 159 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: she was, that other people just wouldn't get access. 160 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: To so many things. When the Duke of Windsor died, 161 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: for instance, I was at Windsor Castle with her, and 162 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: I'd walked the Corgies that morning down at Frogmore Gardens 163 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: and I'd seen the grave being dug and I come 164 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: back to the Queen and said, oh you imaginee it's 165 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: the funeral this afternoon. She says, yes, Queen Elizabeth won't 166 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: go down to the grave side. It's going to be me, Charles, 167 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: Philip and Diana. I said, well, I think you should 168 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: know the grave at the moment is full of water. 169 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 2: She said, Oh my goodness, she says, we better, we 170 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: better get someone to see to that, otherwise we'll be 171 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: launching her, not burying her. Wow, you see, so that 172 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: shows you her sense of humoring. 173 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: Paul, what do you think, what do you think her 174 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: legacy will be? 175 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: Well, I would have said her commonwealth, but I think 176 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: we're going to watch that splinter now. I think she 177 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: was the glue that was holding it all together. I 178 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 2: think the fondness of her people around the Commonwealth was 179 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: actually keeping her commeworth alive. Now that she's gone, I 180 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: think her legacy will be obviously the longest reign ever, 181 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:10,479 Speaker 2: and Elizabeth the good because of all things, she was kind, good, compassionate, 182 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: and was devoid of any of those feelings we have 183 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: of jealousy and envy, and she didn't know what those were. 184 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: She was just a very kind woman. 185 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful painting that you've put together of her, mate. 186 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for texturing a life and a person beyond 187 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: what was that the public specter of Yeah, as you said, 188 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: the greatest reigning monarch of our time. So it's been 189 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: a privilege to learn a little bit more. 190 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: We'll never see the likes of her again, and that's 191 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: for sure. 192 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining us. I really 193 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Man, Why are you done with that? 194 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: Why not check out more from wollen Woody on the 195 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 2: Full Show podcast.