1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: This episode of Outspoken is brought to you by Esme's 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Skin Minerals. This is Outspoken, the podcast is not afraid 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: to say exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Kate and Sophie Torber. We're identical triplets, but we often 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: facing women. That is so fat. Thank you, hello, and 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of Outspoken. Now, I'm happy 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: to see you safe and well Amy after your camping trip. Yeah, 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: it actually went really well, better than I expected, and 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that was down to the 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: fact that, as I mentioned in our last show, Dale 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: bought a toilet along with us, and I must say 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: I was pretty impressed by this little toilet. What freaked 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: me out the most was the fact that you said 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: there wasn't an enclosure around it, so it was just 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: some random, like kind of portable toilet just on the 18 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: side of the tent there that you know you did 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: your business in. Well, the worst thing was Dale puck 20 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: the toilet near the tent, so we were joking that 21 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: we'd have to sit and smell my piss all night. 22 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: Oh yes it contained. Was there something kind of liberating 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: about going in the middle of nowhere? Well, there really 24 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: weren't many people around, so at first I actually took 25 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: my jacket to cover myself like a little blanket. And 26 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: then by the end of it, I was like, oh whatever, 27 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: if people are going to see me, they're going to 28 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: see me. Well, on the other side of Port Hughes 29 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: was the Catman Do Gang, wasn't it, Sophie. I'm sorry, 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: but those jackets are so bloody nice that everyone owns. Yeah. 31 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: So I'm sitting on the campsite and to my surprise 32 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: I had internet connection and I look on Instagram and 33 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: there's a photo of soph and her boyfriend and his 34 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: family all on a boat with Catman Do jackets. And 35 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: I thought, I'm roughing it out here, and you guys 36 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: are on a boat with the Catman dou just waiting 37 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: for shit Adelaide to take a fight. I wanted to 38 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: send myself in. At that stage, you and Brandon's mum 39 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: were literally wearing the same thing. Like it was hard 40 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: to tell you to a part is that something is 41 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: damp is branded, Like dating his mum is that we 42 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: know one of those things. I don't know. You have 43 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: to ask him. All boys apparently date someone that either 44 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: so much like their mum or the total opposite, and 45 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: I think you must be like Brandon's mum. I've got 46 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: to say I was actually pretty happy sitting and watching 47 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: your holidays unfold on Instagram and being in a nice, 48 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: warm house. Well, yeah, you've got some pretty exciting news 49 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: because you went to check out properties over the weekend. Yeah, 50 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: we spent the weekend checking out houses up in the hills, 51 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: and I've got to say I love going into people's 52 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: houses and just having a look around. It's so interesting 53 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: and Excitingly, we finally went to the bank to check 54 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: out how much we can borrow, because obviously it's sort 55 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: of up in the air until you know, and we 56 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: did get approved to borrow a certain amount that was 57 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: actually higher than we thought. That's so exciting. I know 58 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: we were having we had such law expectations before the meeting. 59 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: We're like, now, let's not get upset if it's you know, 60 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: we don't get approved or anything. So yeah, it was 61 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: really exciting news. 62 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: This morning, we are having a baby. 63 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: A baby. 64 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: Jeff's so weird. 65 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: To say that I'm pregnant, I physically can't say it. 66 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: Over the weekend, Ozzie YouTubers Chloe Zep and Mitchell or 67 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: will welcome their son Artist into the world. For the 68 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: past week, followers have been on baby Watch, constantly checking 69 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: the pairs Insta stories and subscribing to notifications in the 70 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: influencer world. Baby's a big business. From the birthing blog 71 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 1: to their name revealed, We're left captivated now, Kate, for 72 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: those who don't know, can you talk us through who 73 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: Chloe and Mitchell actually are? So these guys are basically 74 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: the Instagram power couple. Everyone seems to love them. They 75 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: seem to be connected to a lot of different influences, 76 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: but they still have that real appeal of being relatable 77 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: even though they're living in some mansion in Queensland. 78 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: So Chloe first took off. 79 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: On Shiny Grimman's YouTube channel actually when she was fourteen, 80 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: which is so crazy, and of course Mitchell is the 81 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: brains behind Angry Dad. We was pretty crazy because Chloe 82 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: was only sixteen when she moved over to Melbourne to 83 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: start living with Mitchell. And I think the thing that's 84 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: really resonated with followers is the fact they've always been 85 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: so open about their relationship and sharing all of the 86 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: highs and lows along the way. Well, there was that 87 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: Barly video, remember they shared, and they admitted that they'd 88 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: broken up a few times, and I think it was 89 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: probably about six months before they announced Chloe's pregnancy, they 90 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: actually revealed that they'd moved out from one another. So 91 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: I feel like people are really loving Chloe and Mitch 92 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: at the moment because they are just so raw and 93 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: honest about everything. I mean, even more recently as well, 94 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: Mitchell's spoken about his drug addiction and how it affected 95 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: their relationship, and I think people were just happy to 96 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: finally see them on the right path and happy now. 97 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: I've got to say I was so invested in this 98 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: birth announcement. One of the girls at work, we were 99 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: like messaging each other back and forth all the weekend, 100 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: like wondering when it's going to happen, because of course 101 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: she went into labor at two am on Friday and 102 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: didn't announce the birth of artists until Sunday night. Well 103 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: everyone's been waiting because the Jude date was I think 104 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: it was about a week ago. So I did notice 105 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 1: everyone saying that they'd put on their notifications to see 106 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: when Chloe and Mitch were posting. Well. I found it 107 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: interesting because the Jude date was actually the birth date 108 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: of Chloe Zepp's app Bloom, So I was like, how 109 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: amazing would it be if they were both born on 110 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: the same day, the app and the child. Yeah, why 111 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: do you think people have been so invested along the way. 112 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: I think it's got to be because they are relatable 113 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: and people obviously feel like they know them and have 114 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: that connection, and because we've been shared every update along 115 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: the way that it feels like, you know, we're a 116 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: part of this journey of this child. I also think 117 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: because Chloe and which they did have that miscarriage as well. 118 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: I think it was probably maybe six months before. I 119 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: think everyone felt really invested in it and they just 120 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: wanted to see them all do well. And I think 121 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: because they have been honest about the struggles, I kind 122 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: of think it's that underdog story where now everyone wants 123 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: to see them flourish and do well with this baby. Yeah. 124 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: I think because Chloe seemed to be the person that 125 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: was sort of suffering during Mitch's time drinking and taking drugs, 126 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: so it's sort of nice to see her get that 127 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: fairy tale ending, I suppose. Well, it also seems like 128 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that a lot of the changes in Mitchell's 129 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: life has been because of this baby. So it seems 130 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: like a really positive thing in their life, and it's 131 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: going to be interesting to watch them as they become 132 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: new parents. I think the thing that keeps us so 133 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: invested is though we see their full journey. I mean, 134 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: it's not like other celebrities or a listers who we 135 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: only just see the end result the baby. We don't 136 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: get to see any of the stuff that goes on 137 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. It is a really big thing for 138 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: influencers to have children, because I feel like that's when 139 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: their brand starts to morph and no longer will they 140 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: do the same brand deals. Often they won't have as 141 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: much time to create content, so the content that they 142 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: do create will generally be based around, you know, being 143 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: at home with the baby, and it will be sponsored 144 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: by a baby product. Well, do you guys remember back 145 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: in January when they announced that they were having a baby, 146 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: there was that restaurant critic John Lathlan who called them 147 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: out on the Instagram because basically their pr person had 148 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: put out a request for freebes for the baby on 149 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: this newsletter, and he was saying he actually put this 150 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: post up saying hello, I'm nobody and I figure I 151 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: can get something for free, so why not? Do you know? 152 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: The thing that's so ridiculous is the backstory of that 153 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: is that they're manager actually put it on a PR 154 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: page called the Social Diary, which is where most PR 155 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: people put up asking for collaborations. So it's just so 156 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: ridiculous for him to talk about how irrelevant they are 157 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: when their brand, their branding will add a lot to 158 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: any sort of baby brand in Australia. Will Mitchell hit 159 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: out at the time and he just labeled this guy 160 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: as an online bully. And as you said, so if 161 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: it's so stupid, because this is standard practice, and I 162 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: would say, you'd be hard pressed to find a baby 163 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: brand that wouldn't want the exposure from Chloe and Mitchell. Well, 164 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: the thing is it's a very niche market to get 165 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: someone who is pregnant right in that window when you're 166 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: wanting to bring out a new product or promote something new, 167 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: and you've only got a small amount of time to 168 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: make it happen. Because if you think about it, most 169 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: women only announce their pregnant perhaps three months into the pregnancy, 170 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: so you've got six months to actually make the most 171 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: of that influencer. Well, what I've found quite interesting watching 172 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: the birthing process over Instagram over the last couple of 173 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: days has been the fact that they were really quick 174 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: to actually announce the name of the baby artists. And 175 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, if you saw Sarah's day when she was pregnant, 176 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: she sort of made it into this huge announcement and 177 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: she released Fox's name during a YouTube video and I'm 178 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: presuming because it got a shitload of views on it. 179 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: It got one point three million views. Yeah, so that's 180 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: about twenty thousand dollars she would have made off revealing 181 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: the name of the baby, which I'm in two minds 182 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: because I think, well, gosh, if I'd gone through a 183 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: birthing process, I'd be like, that's pretty clever to release 184 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: the name and makes a buddy. It's the modern day 185 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: cover of a magazine, isn't it now? To wait to 186 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: reveal your baby's name on YouTube? Well, what do you 187 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: guys think? Do you think that was the right decision 188 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: for Chloe and Mitch to release the name on Instagram? 189 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,119 Speaker 1: I think it was very them. It seemed very authentic. 190 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: It seemed like we were sort of taken along for 191 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: the journey and we connected with the baby being born, 192 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: Like I was so excited because I didn't think we 193 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: would know until, as you said, a YouTube video. And 194 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: also the photos that they put up were just all 195 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: very raw, Like I've seen people post photos and it 196 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: looks like they've you know, just come out of hair 197 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: and makeup, and then they're holding a baby, Like you 198 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: could tell these photos taken in the moment, and they 199 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: were gorgeous photos. Well, going back to the name, it 200 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: was interesting because they did seem to tease it throughout 201 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: the whole pregnancy, which made people invested. But I like 202 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: the fact that they revealed the name on Instagram now 203 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: because I feel like they were just trying to get 204 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: people excited with them. It wasn't just for clicks. Okay, 205 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest. Who thinks there's going to 206 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: be a new Chloe zeppline called Artists like the Artists 207 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: Jumper or something like that. It's definitely a marketable name, 208 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: and it's often what we see with influencers. They don't 209 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: really go for John or Mary anymore. They're going for 210 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: names that you know, Fox Ocean, I mean that is 211 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: a brand in itself. Well, you look at Tammy Hembrough's daughter, Saski, 212 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: and that's you know, the brand of her active wearline. Yeah. 213 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that Chloe and Mitch have 214 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: gone out and said what's going to be a good 215 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: brand moving forward? But I do feel like there probably 216 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: is some pressure when you're in that influencer space to 217 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: call your kids something that's really exciting and new and 218 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: that no one else has the name like that. Do 219 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: you think it's just part of being in this generation though? 220 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people our age are 221 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: coming up with unique name aren't really sticking to traditional names. 222 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: I'd be shock different influencer just called their baby James, 223 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: so well that's what Artis Smiddle's name was. But there 224 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: is that There was that craze where people were calling 225 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: their babies like really old grandparent names. Remember that Frank 226 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: Dale wants to call his child Frank, doesn't he with 227 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: your child? 228 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: But I don't know if that would be happening well. 229 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: Going forward, I think it'll be really interesting to see 230 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: what sort of social presence artist has online and Mitchell 231 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: opened up about on his podcast, and he said that 232 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: he and Chloe had one rule, and it was that 233 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: they wouldn't be making him a baby Instagram account. Oh 234 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: thank goodness. I hate when people do that. It's weird. 235 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I was listening to an episode of 236 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: Call Her Daddy and they have this constant theme where 237 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: they will pay out a baby account that someone set 238 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: up and Sophia will read it out in a baby voice. 239 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: It is hilarious. She's like, I'm baby alack Alessa. I 240 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: feel like the only positive to having the baby account 241 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: is that friends that don't want to see all the 242 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: baby spam can follow the account. That's true, that's what 243 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: inst the stories are for. 244 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: Though. 245 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: Well, going back to this podcast, what I found the 246 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: most interesting though, was Reese's take on the scenario, because 247 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, obviously Tammy Hembro shares so much of a 248 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: kid's online and he seemed to be really against it. Well, 249 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: her whole following is based on her being a young mum, 250 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: so it's kind of hard. Well, it's kind of interesting 251 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: to hear him say that because he's now got this 252 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: fame and fortune from the kids being put online, But 253 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: from what I've heard. I think he's worried about what 254 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: psychological effects it will have documenting your kids the whole time. 255 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: And I did really enjoy that debate between he and 256 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: Mitchell because Mitchell was saying, well, what's the difference. My 257 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: mum grew up with a you know, with a video 258 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: camcorder filming absolutely everything, and we were the same. Our 259 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: dad filmed everything and we're fine. But I suppose that 260 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't being put out to him. Yeah, that's what 261 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: I mean, that no one else was seeing it, just 262 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: the family. But it's a hard one. I mean, I 263 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: suppose the only comparison you can draw to that is 264 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: kids who've grown up in the public eye doing acting 265 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: or singing, and it's not really it hasn't turned out 266 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: well for some of those child stars. I think a 267 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: good comparison is looking at someone like Mason Dissick, who 268 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: has spent his whole life. 269 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 2: I mean, his birth was shown on. 270 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: Television across the world, and he's kind of appeared in 271 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: the background of keeping up with the Kardashians, and he 272 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: most recently wanted to get a TikTok account and did 273 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: so behind his mum's back, and then that all got 274 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: shut down because he was telling Kylie Jenner's secrets. I 275 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: just think it's really unfair for people to build up 276 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: an opinion of a child before they've even reached adulthood, 277 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: because you think about how much you've changed and all 278 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: the embarrassing shit you've done, and then to have it, 279 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: you know, publicized to millions of people online. The only 280 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: thing is, though, when this kid is like twenty, we're 281 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: all going to be fifty and are we're really going 282 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: to be going like Instagram will be gone, There'll be something, 283 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: but there will always be that digital footprint. I'm sure. 284 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: Can you imagine going to a job interview and then 285 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: someone being able to look up your birth blog might 286 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: work in your advantage? You know, it might not necessarily 287 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: be a bad thing. The thing is, we don't know 288 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: what's going to happen in future, and at the moment, 289 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: having that kind of currency and having followers at a 290 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: young age is actually going to be a good thing. 291 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: We just don't know what the psychological effect of that type. 292 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 2: Of following is long term. 293 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: Now, just a quick break to hear from our sponsor. 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He's trying to be our lad out there 314 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: in front of all the boys. 315 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 3: I don't want a lad. 316 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: I want a gentleman, someone that's going to talk about 317 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: me with a bit of respect. Now let's get into 318 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: our social media pit and peak of the week. So 319 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: can you start us off with the pit now? I've 320 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: been watching this one pretty closely. It was from Molly 321 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: May and she's on yet another overseas trip. This time 322 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: she is in Greece and she headed over there with 323 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: her sister and Love Island star Mora as well, and 324 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: they was supposed to be going on a nice yacht 325 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: trip where you know, I think they were going to 326 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: be sun baking and taking photos, but it turned pretty disastrous. 327 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: The funniest thing is I've been addicted to Below Deck 328 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: and I've already watched two series in the last week. 329 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: So when I saw this pop up on her Instagram, 330 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: all I could think of was the Below Deck crew, 331 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: because her sister starts screaming at the crew like really rudely, 332 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: like we want to go back, we want to go back, 333 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: And they were trying to tell everyone on Instagram how 334 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: bad your deal was. But to me, it just looked 335 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: like normal kind of being out in the water. It 336 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: sounds like such a first world problem. That she's on 337 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: holiday in Greece and her yacht has gone you know, 338 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: her yacht trip's gone a bit astray. Well, it did 339 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: sound pretty scary because the boat almost capsized and the 340 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: dinner taking it from me. I have been in Thailand 341 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: driving through very very rocky water and it feels like 342 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: you're hitting through cement when you're going through some of 343 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: those ways, so it can be really scary. But the 344 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: driver also didn't speak English driver, I mean the captain, 345 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: and there were no life jackets on the boat, so 346 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: it would have been pretty scary. I'm assuming Tourism Greece, 347 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: who probably sent the head, didn't plan on this all happening. 348 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: Not a great social media coverage for them, obviously, it's 349 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: not ideal if the water's choppy out there, But I 350 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: don't really have much sympathy for them while they're traveling 351 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: during COVID, As you said, for Molly May potentially the 352 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: third time since lockdown has decreased in the UK. 353 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: That she's been traveling. 354 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: Well, Tommy was also on a boys trip, Oh my gosh, 355 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: and the two of them met up. They were reunited 356 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: after the incident. 357 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: Oh wow. 358 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: Well, I did enjoy seeing Mororo again. For some reason, 359 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: I do follow her on Instagram, but I never get 360 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: her story, so hopefully they start popping back up in 361 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: my algorithm. Well, let's move on to the peak, and 362 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: this is a bit of a controversial one because we 363 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: all don't agree on this, but my peak has to 364 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: be Sarah's day calling out all the haters on her 365 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: Instagram story. So just in short, she shared an Insta story. 366 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: She's been sharing lots of instant stories about her renovations, 367 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: and something she shared recently was the fact that her 368 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: seven thousand dollar windows weren't what she wanted. And while 369 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: that sounds trivial, she does like to share the highs 370 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: and lows of her renovation. So basically, she shared the 371 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: fact that these windows weren't what she wanted, and then 372 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: about eight hours later, she posted this. I'd say it 373 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: was kind of a rant, just basically saying how upset 374 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: she was and how over it she is by being 375 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: called white privilege all the time. And I, for one 376 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: had to agree because I feel like, can we just 377 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: watch people on Instagram without constantly having to be down 378 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: their throats? 379 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 380 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: I saw this, and I was very conflicted because when 381 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: I originally saw her going off about these seven thousand 382 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: dollar windows. 383 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: I was thinking, Oh, this. 384 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: Is not the time to be putting this sort of 385 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: content out, because we're obviously at a stage where people 386 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: are in stage four lockdown. We've had the Black Lives 387 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: Matter movement, and you know, sort of she's come under 388 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: fire for cultural appropriation. So there's a lot of people 389 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: that aren't happy with her at the moment, and I 390 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: didn't think it was an appropriate time after everything that's 391 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: gone on and her being sort of told to educate 392 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: herself with about a privilege for her then to winge 393 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: about her windows not being correct. But the thing is, 394 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: I just I get what you're saying, but I also 395 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: think I mean, I have followed her journey for you know, 396 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: her renovating her house, and those windows looked bloody shocking, 397 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: and the guy who put them in was really rude 398 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: to her and said, oh, love, I know better. I've 399 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: been doing it for ages and the windows looked shit. 400 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: And she wanted to share not just everything that goes well, 401 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: but she wanted to share the lows of the renovation. 402 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: And I just think sometimes people are so nitpicky online. 403 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: I think the thing where she went wrong was mentioning 404 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: the cost of the windows. I think she could have 405 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: just said some very expensive windows. But at the same time, 406 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: I kind of see where you're coming from, Amy, because 407 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: I feel like during this pandemic, it's so hard because 408 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: I feel like we need some sort of escapism, and 409 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: I find watching her renovation vlogs a type of escape. 410 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: And you know, if we've been following whole thing, let's 411 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: see some of the shit stuff happening. But I agree, 412 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: like I do love watching it, but I think it's 413 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: very simple. If you want to discuss it, you just 414 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: got to say, look, I know I'm in a very 415 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: privileged position to be having this house renovation, and I'm 416 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,479 Speaker 1: privileged to have this problem, and then say it. 417 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: I know it's a friend. 418 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: She did address that in her ranch. She just said, 419 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: you know, I am very lucky, but you know what, 420 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm sick of having to have people have to Oh, 421 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: I've just got to tell you this because I feel 422 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: like so many people are so oversensitive online and I 423 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: can get it. If I was in Melbourne, I'd be thinking, 424 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: what the hell you're complaining about these windows? But you know, 425 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: as you said, I I to switch off and just 426 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: watch it and I just didn't think anything of it, 427 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: and then I thought, you know, she was gonna do 428 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: a vlog that day about her day, and it put 429 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: her in such a bad mood that she didn't want 430 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: to and she was reading out some of the messages 431 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: she received where people were saying, Oh, you don't deserve her, 432 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: and you don't deserve your baby, and I just thought, 433 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: has the world gone mad? If you don't like her, 434 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: don't watch her. It kind of reminds me of the 435 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: discussion we were having about Madison Woolly a few weeks 436 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: ago and whether it was wrong of her to go 437 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: on all those trips because people did find it a 438 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: form of escapeism, and it kind of is similar to this. 439 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: I mean, the argument with Madison Wooly is she's actually 440 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: putting people at harm by traveling around. 441 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: Now. 442 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: It could sound hypocritical because we were talking about hate 443 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: following a few weeks ago, but I think there's a 444 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 1: big difference between sort of watching somebody and getting like 445 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: sniggering about it, and then there's the next level where 446 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: you're messaging somebody and saying such hurtful things like just 447 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: don't message them. Yeah, I totally think the bullying is 448 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: going too far online. But I do think it's this 449 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: balancing act of influencers thinking about what they're putting out 450 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: there before they do it, putting a few disclaimers out there, because, 451 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: as you said, at the moment, everyone is really sensitive. 452 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: The world is not what it used to be, and 453 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: we're all going through difficult things. So just prefacing that 454 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: your privilege is there before you have a rant about 455 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars weeks. But does that mean every time 456 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: someone posts now they're going to have to say, oh, 457 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: I just want to post about this, you know this 458 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: this product door even like you know us going so 459 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: going on her holiday on a boat to shift in 460 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: our preface and say, now, I know I'm so privileged 461 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: because I get to travel. I just think the world's 462 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: gone a bit mad. Now, I just preface, this isn't 463 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: a huge yacht that we no no, no, I know, 464 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: I know, but I'm just saying it seems like everyone's 465 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: got to have a disclaimer because everyone's so oversensitive. But 466 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: I think when you've got millions of followers, then you 467 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: kind of do have to because you're going to have 468 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: a huge portion of your audience that is in lockdown. 469 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: I just think As I've mentioned before, I think you've 470 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: just got to be conscious of the text that's going 471 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: with it. Just don't mention the cost of the windows, 472 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: and that would have probably been fine. I think I 473 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: feel bad and I did all these people that there's 474 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: huge waiting and it flew everyone else. I wasted everyone's time, 475 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: everyone's every think and I feel bad. You don't think 476 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: I feel bad. Now let's get into the reality wrap now. Surprisingly, 477 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: the first topic does not include the bachelotte. We're actually 478 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: going back to Maths with some interesting revelations. 479 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 480 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: Well, last week there was a lot of chat in 481 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: our group following our episode, all about people calling our 482 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: influences for doing the wrong thing during COVID And now 483 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: it's been revealed that Stacy Hampton from Maths was reportedly 484 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: arrested after allegedly failing to comply with a coronavirus order. 485 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: So basically, she went to Melbourne and went on a 486 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: lavish shopping trip because she's based in Adelaide for those 487 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: who don't know, yes, so, according to the Daily Mail, 488 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: Stacey was arrested by South Australian police in May when 489 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: she returned home to Adelaide and apparently it was actually 490 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: her Instagram, that was her undoing. Wow, it's so funny 491 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: how these social media platforms are catching all these people out. Yeah, 492 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: so basically what happened was she posted a photo at 493 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: Culture Kings and she also posted photos at beauty parlors. 494 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: But the issue was when she came back to Adelaide, 495 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: she told police that she was an essential worker. So 496 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: apparently these these are all allegations, by the way, but 497 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: allegedly she told police she was an essential security worker 498 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: through her then partner's security business, but police actually said no, 499 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: that's not an essential service. So it actually got worse. 500 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: When she left the airport, police actually followed her and 501 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: they'd ordered her to go home straight away and to isolate, 502 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: she went to two different houses to pick her kids up. 503 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: So now she's actually facing three counts of disobeying police order. 504 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: The craziest thing was though her friend or I suppose 505 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: ex friend now, she leaked the WhatsApp conversations between herself 506 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: and Stacey, and she sent them to the Daily Mail 507 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: of course, and some of the messages are so bad. 508 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: She basically says how she said, I meant to be 509 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: self quarantining for fourteen days. I'll be bringing them tomorrow 510 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: fighting it if they try to say security is an 511 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: essential service. I'm not isolating life out loud. I ain't 512 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: stopping me. We have business to do. What the hell 513 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: that is so selfish? And following these messages getting leaked, 514 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: she actually put up an instant story that said snitches 515 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: get stitches. Wow, I'm just so glad she's living in 516 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: South Australia. That's fantastic. Well, let's get into all the 517 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: Bachelor chat because of course Locky series of The Bachelor 518 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: aired last week and oh my god, how sensational was 519 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: the little teaser for the series ahead. I was so 520 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: excited because it kind of reminded me of an American bachelor, 521 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: like when they're so torn. I feel like there's always 522 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: they always fall in love with two people in America. Yeah. So, 523 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: for those who haven't seen it, the preview shows Lockie 524 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: telling two women that he's in love with them. This 525 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: never happens on the Australian series. I've seen it on 526 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: the American series, but never hear What was worse was 527 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: him inconsolable standing up there waiting to tell them one 528 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: of them that he was breaking up with it. Well, 529 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: it is interesting. To see him so inconsolable, because if 530 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: the rumors are true, he's meant to be in some 531 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: kind of pact with Bella. So is it that maybe 532 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: he is in this pact with Bella, but then he 533 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: fell in love with one of the other women, Well, 534 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: he could have been in a pact and then genuinely 535 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: fallen in love with someone else. The show, well, we 536 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: mentioned it last week the So Dramatic podcast. Everyone's talking 537 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,239 Speaker 1: about it, everyone's listening to it, and there was a 538 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: contestant that came on, and the former contestant, Nadine came 539 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: on and far out she spilt the tea. Can I 540 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: just say I actually featured on that episode too. I 541 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: know I was listening to it and I was like, 542 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: really spat out my tea. 543 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: I was like, that's me. 544 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: Well, Mum actually texted me saying she got excited. I 545 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: was like, Mom, if I'd like to use any other 546 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: upsets from this episode? Yeah. Well, amongst the claims, the 547 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: dean also said that producers apparently pumped them all with 548 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: alcohol and there's absolutely no limits. And so we spoke 549 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: with Mary from Bachelor in Paradise earlier today and we 550 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: put this question to her. So let's have a listen 551 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: to what Mary had to say. 552 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: I don't drink, but like in Paradise and in a Bachelor, 553 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: I felt like the production was really looking after the 554 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 3: girls because of like, okay, girls, make like if you're 555 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 3: not gonna have dinner, if you're not gonna like you're 556 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 3: not gonna have dinner before crock, why did you not 557 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 3: allowed to drink? You know, they were always there and 558 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 3: there was a certain time that the bars would be 559 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 3: shot like a dimension, and the same thing in Paradise. Okay, 560 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: we had to you know, okay, your name and the 561 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 3: drink that you got, so they kind of had a 562 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 3: control of the people's drinks. So that was my experience, 563 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 3: and I've been there applied, so I'm not sure where 564 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 3: her source is coming from, but like the ones that 565 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 3: I witnessed, the production was pretty much okay, bar stars 566 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 3: in Paradise, name and then for your drink, and we 567 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 3: were not allowed even to get a drink for another person, 568 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 3: you know, to make sure they would control the drink. 569 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: So I have no complaints about production. 570 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: To I've got to say, when I heard Nadine talking 571 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: about her experience on The Bachelor, it kind of sounded like. 572 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: She was dirty that she got kicked off early. 573 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: Now, she did say that it was her choice to 574 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: leave and that's why she did leave, but they didn't 575 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: want to. They wanted to go through the motions and 576 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: act like she had been kicked out, but she seen. 577 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: I'm so annoyed about the fact that she wasn't selected. 578 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: She did mention like two or three times that everyone 579 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: said she was the prettiest on the show. Yeah, I 580 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: do feel a little bit awkward when she kept saying that, 581 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: I felt like saying to her, have you not seen 582 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: the show unreal? Because none of these accusations really shocked 583 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: me that much. I mean, they were juicy, and I 584 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: really enjoyed the podcast, but I was like, has she 585 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: not seen unreal? Like this happens every year. 586 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 2: It seemed a bit out of touch. 587 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: When she was complaining about how they had to be 588 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: locked in a hotel for five days. I'm thinking that's 589 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: a lot of people's reality at the moment, who were 590 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: crossing the borders. Well, the ratings have actually come out 591 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: for this week's Bachelor, and the numbers are a lot 592 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: lower than in other series, so people are saying, well, 593 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: Narranga came out and said that he thinks it's a 594 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: lack of diversity that's a reason for the ratings being 595 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: so low. So is that a lack of diversity with 596 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: rangers or with oh yeah, because we can't not talk 597 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: about that. 598 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 2: That was ridiculous. 599 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: It was ridiculous, and I think it's been talked about 600 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, it's just bizarre behavior. 601 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it was. It was embarrassing. 602 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: Well, we actually put the question to Mary whether she 603 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: thinks it's a lack of diversity that is actually the 604 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: issue for this year's Bachelor, And we also asked her 605 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: what she thought about Lockee and whether she would have 606 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: stayed if he was a bachelor, And let's have a listen. 607 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 3: Now, I didn't want to survive her, to be honest, 608 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 3: but I was like, I don't like Beard, so he's 609 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 3: not my casle. I wouldn't apply. 610 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: Well, that was kind of my next question, because there's 611 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: been talked that a lot of girls found out it 612 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: was him and actually pulled out of the process. Is 613 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: would you have done that if you had been lined 614 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: up to a peer and you heard it was locky? 615 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 3: Well, that is I must say this, like we'd never 616 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: like when I applied for my season. We didn't know 617 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: who he was. It was pretty much going in blind. 618 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 3: I feel like, if you compare Lucky with Honey Badger, 619 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: I would totally stay for lockey, you know what I'm 620 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: paying because like Lucky is not that bad, Like it's not, 621 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 3: but it's not like he's a horrible person. 622 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: To look. 623 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: Handsome, I will totally shave the. 624 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: Beer that's not for me, I can go, that's right. 625 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: I will try to laser the bad tattoos as well. 626 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a fan of that neck when that 627 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: can go. 628 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 3: I'm not that big one. Something in honor like on 629 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 3: his chest that is so, but you know, nothing that 630 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: like a laser, cause that's right. If I were single, 631 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: of course, if I made it, we could have worked 632 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: on that. 633 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: I feel like Mum and Mary would get on really 634 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: well talking about tattoos, because our mum always told us 635 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: if we ever brought anyone home with tattoos, she wouldn't 636 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: be happy. Well. The other batchy news is the fact 637 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: that Kieran and Matt from Bachelor in Paradise have announced 638 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: that they're going to be taking part in a charity 639 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: boxing match. 640 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 2: Well, it is all for a good cause. 641 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: It's raising money for domestic violence against women and men's 642 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: mental health. But it has come under a bit of 643 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: criticism the fact that Matt and Kieran were both accused 644 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: of not being very nice to women on The Bachelor 645 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: in Paradise. It's an odd charity to pick. I mean, 646 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: I think it's great that the money will be going there, 647 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: but it just I don't know, it doesn't really sit 648 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: that well with me. Well, it is because his mum 649 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: experienced domestic violence, so I think that's great, but it 650 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: is a bit weird that he's fighting against Matt, who 651 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: he obviously had a big problem with in Paradise. It 652 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: almost seems a little bit orchestrated. Well, it is a 653 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: bit's complete, no, I mean the drama in Paradise. What 654 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: I found a bit off was Clementine Ford commented underneath 655 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: his post, and she wrote, is that because you went 656 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: on TV and emotionally abused women? And I just thought 657 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: that was a bit off because I know he's been 658 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: portrayed in a particular way on a TV show for 659 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: being a dickhead and a player. But I mean the 660 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: fact that his mother has gone through something like this 661 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: and he's actually genuinely trying to raise money for it. 662 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: I thought that was a bit off. 663 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 2: I think it just. 664 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: Proves that we don't really know everyone's situation, and I 665 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: do feel like it's a bit It's a bit of 666 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: a funny one because we were willing to understand that 667 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield got a bad edit, and I'm not saying 668 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: that Tim or Kieran got bad edits. But I feel 669 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: like we've also got to remember that they are producing 670 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: a television show and bits and pieces are being chopped up. 671 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: I know it's not an excuse, but I think we've 672 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: just got to sort of back off a little bit 673 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: and remember that these are real people. Well, Alicia made 674 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: a really good point on the Shameless podcast and she 675 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: said that she was the exact same person that she 676 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: was on The Bachelor when she was painted as a villain, 677 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: and she was the exact same person on Bachelor in 678 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: Paradise when everyone loved her. It's just different sides of 679 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: the personality that we're shown. And on antie series of 680 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: The Bachelor everyone loved Kieran. There's obviously a very lovable 681 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: side of him, but he's just not a great boyfriend. Well, 682 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: you've also got to understand they are characters in a plot, 683 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: so if the producers want the plot to go a 684 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: certain way, they're obviously going to show those different sides 685 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: of their personalities. We're just taking away from the seriousness. 686 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: Jamie Dorn has come out and said he wants to 687 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: fight as well. She's just gonna find I don't know, 688 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: maybe the Bachelor producers. I don't know, so who will 689 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: have to wait and see if that actually happens. Well. 690 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: He also did elaborate more on his court case against 691 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: Channel ten, and he mentioned that he's not actually just 692 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: suing about the way he was portrayed on the show 693 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: and the way he was edited. In fact, there's more 694 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: to it. So it's going to be pretty interesting because 695 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: it seems like there's a lot of contestants breaking their 696 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: contracts and coming out and bagging out the show. And 697 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: I do wonder if we will see changes happening to 698 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: the show. It seems like people are not liking the 699 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: experience they're having on it. I mean in saying that 700 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: though they're then going on Bachelor in Paradise, like Jamie 701 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: was portrayed as a Stage five clinger and then went 702 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: on the show again. So I think we've got to 703 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: wait to see what he actually accuses him of. That 704 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: will be really interesting. But I think the only way 705 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: the show is going to change is if the ratings 706 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: start dropping off, and we're seeing that with lockey series. 707 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: So maybe next time, like next year, we might actually 708 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: see someone like Renee, a person of color, actually being 709 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: named as the bachelorette or bachelor. Well that's all we 710 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: have time for today. Please make sure you tag us 711 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: if you're out and about listening to our podcast. 712 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 2: We have been loving seeing where you're listening from. With 713 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 2: your dogs or on your. 714 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: Walks, or with your cats. 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