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Speaker 1: Mixed one at four point nine three point sixty the

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Speaker 1: week that was the most listened to our in Territory Radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is Friday morning, it is time for the

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Speaker 2: week that was and in the studio with us this

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Speaker 2: morning from Alice Springs, Josh Burgo and the Minister for

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Speaker 3: Good morning, morning, Katie, Good morning to listers, and good

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Speaker 3: morning to all the people who are partaking in November

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Speaker 3: this night.

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Speaker 4: Are you growing a mustache?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm attempting to, Katie, as you can probably see

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Speaker 3: at the moment, it just looks like I've forgotten a

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Speaker 3: she for a couple of days. But we're going to

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Speaker 3: get there by the end of the month. Hopefully we'll

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Speaker 3: have a nice mustache.

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Speaker 2: And all for a very good call, absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, look when my husband grew one, he looked like

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Speaker 2: super Marios.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know whether it's best to hear for

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Speaker 4: your mate. We'll see how you go now.

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Speaker 2: Gary Shipway, the head of news at the Northern Territory News,

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Speaker 2: Good morning to.

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Speaker 5: You, Good morning, good morning listeners.

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Speaker 4: Growing a mustache for a lot of years and.

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Speaker 5: I'm no longer going to.

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Speaker 4: Not going for at this time round.

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Speaker 5: Everyone's just what I should be in the movies, but

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Speaker 4: I want to Selena, you, boy and Catherine, good morning to.

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Speaker 6: You, Good morning Katie. And no I'm not growing either,

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Speaker 6: but I'm a great friends.

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Speaker 2: Selena, you and I'll be doing the opposite making sure

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Speaker 2: we don't have one.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what not the way I was expecting

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Speaker 4: to start the week that wash. You guys are full

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Speaker 2: Now, well, there's plenty to cover off on this morning,

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Speaker 2: but Gary, I might go to you quickly first because

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Speaker 2: I understand the Northern Territory News has got a little

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Speaker 4: What's happened?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, actually was last night.

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Speaker 5: The plane out of the Virgin El one's flight out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and no doubt further from the NTM throughout

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Speaker 5: Find out a bit more from Virgin our lines. But

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Speaker 5: as I say, it seemed like no threat to the passengers.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, and the firefighters got onto it really quickly.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll keep a close eye on that as you

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Speaker 2: It's been a big week this week when it comes

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Speaker 2: We know that Royal dal And Hospital is currently experiencing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, Katie, and obviously over the previous Labor

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Speaker 3: We know that previously there's been that sixty million dollars

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Speaker 2: I know though, obviously that EOI went out for the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Katie. We have looked at the budget books to

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Speaker 6: they're saying one thing, Katie, which is Josh is saying yes,

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Speaker 6: absolutely agree. We do need to get on with the

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Speaker 6: better suited to an age care facility. But like parking

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Speaker 4: So what's today?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Katie. I am able to respond to that

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Speaker 3: There has been money put forward in that proposal to

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Speaker 3: So there's lots of moving pieces here. The land is there,

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, Katie, I think this whole issue just demonstrates

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Speaker 5: the federal government really needs to be paying it more

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Speaker 4: Nor should they. You know, they have worked here their

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Speaker 2: They've helped to build this place into the place that

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Speaker 2: That's I mean, we are a capital city like this,

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Speaker 2: This is the whole point of it.

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Speaker 5: This is where their friends are and where their support

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Speaker 5: don't want them to move.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And look on top of the age care situation, we

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Speaker 2: also have spoken at length about maternity services. Now we

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Speaker 2: Obviously we heard the forum on the weekend where a

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Speaker 2: But we're also here and then is that we've got

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Speaker 2: when it comes to birthing and it's something that they

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Speaker 2: I mean, Selena, you attended that forum on the weekend

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Speaker 6: Oh? Absolutely, Katie, and I think when the community comes together,

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Speaker 6: it doesn't matter we're from. They're talking about the different

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Speaker 4: Look on this, I want to say, I mean ten million.

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Speaker 4: But in addition to that.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to call it it's bullshit.

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Speaker 2: You know, we got an email yesterday from Luke Gosling saying,

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, yeah, Katie, I think, yeah, you've hit the nail

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Speaker 6: So there's some really interesting information. But we're now understanding

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Speaker 6: So my understanding now, Katie, I'm thinking at further the

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Speaker 6: It received that very important and vital care. But the

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Speaker 3: And I think this isn't a neither all. This is

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Speaker 3: That's a really important thing, and I think I've even

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Speaker 6: Can you confirm is the thirty five million was that

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Speaker 3: Now I don't have that level of detail in front

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Speaker 5: Think once again this is another case for the regions

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Speaker 5: Which is terrible because now that's people who that impacts

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Speaker 5: We know that's going to happen. We respectable people like

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Speaker 4: People, absolutely, and you've got to make sure that they are.

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Speaker 2: But you know all of this right, So everything that

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Speaker 2: That is what a union delegate has warned the United

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Speaker 4: It actually.

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Speaker 2: I get that they're fighting for their rights. I get

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Speaker 2: I just don't think it's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Katie, this is a frustrating one for everyone.

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Speaker 3: We want to see workers supported. But every time we

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Speaker 2: Set a precedent though now, like I get it right,

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Speaker 2: They are out there dealing with some of the most

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Speaker 3: No, and I want to be really clear about that.

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Speaker 3: The government's position is a three percent across government. That's

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Speaker 2: I mean, Selena, at the timing, I just think it's

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Speaker 4: I'm sure they'll let me know on the.

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Speaker 2: Tech side and calls this morning, but I just feel

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Speaker 6: Katie, this is just another example of the COLP government

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Speaker 6: failing our workers. This is about negotiations for reasonable pain

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Speaker 6: we're talking about the enterprise bargaining negotiations for those ancillary

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Speaker 6: they're obviously very very important roles.

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Speaker 4: So when you look.

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Speaker 6: Back at what Leaf Nocio promised the police in opposition,

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Speaker 6: is that there are public sector workers right across the field, frontline,

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Speaker 6: back of house, everyone in between who are not feeling

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Speaker 6: valued by this government. So this is really about the

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Speaker 6: workloads of the difficult conditions that all of our public

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Speaker 6: service do face, stay in and day out, particularly in

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Speaker 6: the hospitals. They need to have those good conditions so

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Speaker 6: they can put food on the table for their family,

447
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Speaker 6: so they can continue that good work looking after territories

448
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Speaker 6: when we're out of worse in the health system. So

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Speaker 6: this is really important, and I think Josh is showing

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Speaker 6: his neighbor to and being very disrespectful and tying in

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Speaker 6: the position that the United Workers Union president has with

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Speaker 6: because labor was in there was no strikes. Now, no,

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Speaker 6: we actually sat down, Josh. We did the hard work.

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Speaker 6: We had those hard conversations day in and day out,

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Speaker 6: every single EBA negotiation, which is why we had people

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Speaker 6: staying on the job and negotiating that better PAYKNS rubbish.

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Speaker 3: Selena, you told them there wouldn't be a play rise

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Speaker 3: for four years. That's what happened. And now we're in

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Speaker 3: government and we're trying to ensure that we support our

460
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Speaker 3: workers so they get effected. Josh, that's exactly what happens

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Speaker 3: to Lenda. That's what happened, no play rise four years.

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Speaker 3: You gave people the scraps. That's what you did.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: Look, I will just say a person who must be

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Speaker 2: in Allied Health is an Allied Health workers message the

466
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Speaker 2: tech sign and just said it's already before the Workfair

467
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Speaker 2: Work Commission. The colp I doesn't know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Three percent is a pay cut, says that person.

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Speaker 3: It's not a pay cut, right, Katie. We've seen what

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Speaker 3: is happening with CPI right now. We've seen that we're

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Speaker 3: supporting workers to get a real pay rise. That's what

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Speaker 3: we're doing to ensure that that continues to occur and

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Speaker 3: that we support our workers.

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Speaker 5: Right across in the unions in the back ended way

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Speaker 5: of previous Lavy government because they said there was a

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Speaker 5: pay freeze and that they are now they endured that

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Speaker 5: pay freeze. Now they want a fair go. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's that's that's what they're saying.

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Speaker 2: So I will say though at the time when that

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Speaker 2: pay freeze was in place, so I don't you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not usually in the in the business of defending

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Speaker 2: political parties. But that pay freeze was in place because

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Speaker 2: we're on our knees, absolutely on our knees when it

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Speaker 2: came to the budget. So I think that label. We're

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Speaker 2: in a situation where they had to have that pay freeze,

486
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Speaker 2: like we couldn't continue on the path that we're on.

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Speaker 2: And in all honesty, I don't know that things are

488
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Speaker 2: looking all that much better at this point in time,

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Speaker 2: which is the frightening part.

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Speaker 4: Everyone wants a pay rise.

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Speaker 2: Shit, I'd love a pay rise, let's all have one,

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Speaker 2: but we just I don't know whether we can afford it.

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Speaker 4: And I feel for.

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Speaker 2: These support workers because I know they work incredibly hard.

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Speaker 2: Anybody who's been up to the hospital knows how bloody.

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Speaker 4: Hard they work.

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Speaker 2: But how do we, like, how do we keep going

498
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Speaker 2: along here, you know, and handing out pay rises when

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Speaker 2: people deserve them. Do not get me wrong, but we

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Speaker 2: just don't have any money.

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Speaker 3: Really, it's the harsh reality, Katie. And you're right, you know,

502
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Speaker 3: we're ten twelve, you can count it up. It's billions

503
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Speaker 3: of dollars in the red. We're trying to ensure that

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Speaker 3: we support our public service, to ensure that they feel

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Speaker 3: valued that they stay here in the Northern Territory, but

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Speaker 3: also work within our budgetary constraints. And it's really hard

507
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Speaker 3: when we're talking about all this money that needs to

508
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Speaker 3: be spent on all these really important sectors across government,

509
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Speaker 3: but we are literally going to the cupboard, and the

510
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Speaker 3: cupboard is bare.

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Speaker 2: And look, I do want to point out because I

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Speaker 2: know that there is health workers listening to the show

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Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 4: I've got a few of them texting through.

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Speaker 2: You know, we are expecting all these services at our hospitals.

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Speaker 2: We're expecting all of these services within age care, you know,

517
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Speaker 2: within our maternity services, and we're expecting them at a

518
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Speaker 2: really high level. But then we're not coming to the

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Speaker 2: table with that additional pay. I don't know where this

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Speaker 2: is all going to land, but what I do know

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Speaker 2: is that if those workers strike in the next ten

522
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Speaker 2: days and we're all ready in a situation where we've

523
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Speaker 2: got co yellows across our two major hospitals, it is

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Speaker 2: going to be a debarcle.

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Speaker 5: It's certainly going to be a tough situation because our

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Speaker 5: hospitals are really flooded. You know, we can I can

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Speaker 5: go to the RDH and have a look in any

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Speaker 5: day and how busy that is. It's just so yeah,

529
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Speaker 5: because these people will only be also be your cleaners,

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Speaker 5: they also be people that feed people, could be primary carers.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it's these are important, crucial areas.

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Speaker 1: They are.

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Speaker 2: Look, we're going to have to take a bit of

534
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Speaker 2: a break. You are listening to Mix one oh four

535
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Speaker 2: nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 4: It is the week that was mixed one or.

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Speaker 1: Four point nine three sixty, the week that was the

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Speaker 1: most listened to our in Territory radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you have just joined us, it's been a

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Speaker 2: busy morning so far talking about health across the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: And in the studio with us today we've got Minister

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Speaker 2: Josh Burgoy, and we've got the head of news at

543
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Speaker 2: the NT News, Gary Shipway, and in Catherine this morning

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Speaker 2: we've got the Opposition leader Selena Yubo. Now, I do

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Speaker 2: want to take a look at the announcement that was

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Speaker 2: made late yesterday the Northern Territory Police Force releasing its

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Speaker 2: first anti racism strategy for staff.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: The first phase of the force's anti racism action plan

550
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Speaker 2: was revealed in Alice Springs at an announcement by the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory Police Commissioner Martin Dole and Executive Director of

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Speaker 2: the force's Cultural form Command, Leanne Little. Now, the anti

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Speaker 2: racism strategy was announced that it was going to be

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Speaker 2: happening in mid last year, largely in response, as we know,

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Speaker 2: to the high profile coronial inquest into the twenty nineteen

556
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Speaker 2: police shooting death of Kumenjay Walker, which made public well

557
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Speaker 2: made public some of those instances of racism within the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory Police Force. Now, this strategy is made up

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Speaker 2: of four key priority areas. Serve and protect, eliminate racism,

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Speaker 2: represent and reflect our territory and be accountable. Now, I

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Speaker 2: know that we're probably all just sort of going through

562
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Speaker 2: this over the last twenty four hours or so.

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Speaker 4: But first off, I guess Josh to.

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Speaker 2: You as you know, as a minister within the COLP,

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Speaker 2: do you guys support.

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Speaker 4: And you know think that this is a good move.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, it's really important one hundred percent acknowledge the

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Speaker 3: important work that's been underway for some time now. Commissioner

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Speaker 3: dol obviously when out yesterday with Leanne Little to announce

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Speaker 3: this strategy. Once again, I really want to say out

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Speaker 3: loud to all those police members who are listening. This

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Speaker 3: does not mean this does not tell you all as racist.

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Speaker 3: That's what's really important here. My father was a police

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Speaker 3: officer within thirty five years. The majority of people that

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Speaker 3: police are coming into contact with and helping our Aboriginal

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Speaker 3: people right across the Northern Territory that we work in

577
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Speaker 3: some remote communities supporting people. This is a strategy to

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Speaker 3: ensure that if there are people that have racist tendencies

579
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Speaker 3: that are not doing the right thing, that this is

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Speaker 3: an educational piece and it's really important. I've spoken to

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Speaker 3: people that have actually done programs that when police are

582
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Speaker 3: going through recruit training to I guess better inform them

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Speaker 3: about the cultural norms in the Northern Territory. We have

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Speaker 3: lots of people coming from New Zealand. We're always hearing

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Speaker 3: about the police coming from there all other states and

586
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Speaker 3: territories around OZ. We really need to be able to

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Speaker 3: support our police members to know that we support you

588
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Speaker 3: with the work, really important work that you're doing. But

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Speaker 3: we also need to ensure that our force is obviously

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Speaker 3: going through this strategic plan and ensuring that anything that

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Speaker 3: we do, anyone that we engage with that there isn't

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Speaker 3: then that those racist undertones, and I think it's really

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Speaker 3: important to just before I finish, once again, the Chief

594
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Speaker 3: Minister has been really clear on this. There isn't systemic

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Speaker 3: racism across our police force. There have been issues that

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Speaker 3: have been raised throughout those coronials. It's important that we

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Speaker 3: respond to those and the Commissioner.

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Speaker 4: Is doing that Selena.

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Speaker 2: It aims to boost Aboriginal employment by thirty percent across

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Speaker 2: all staffing levels to match the Northern Territory's Aboriginal population,

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Speaker 2: and to review and reform how data and statistics are collected,

602
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Speaker 2: stored and analyzed to eliminate racism. What do you make

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Speaker 2: of us?

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Speaker 6: I think, Katie, this is a great step for the

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Speaker 6: police to be able to show that they've not sat

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Speaker 6: down and just waited for any of the coronial recommendations.

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Speaker 6: They've gone out. They've gone across the community, across the

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Speaker 6: NT and really worked on what matters most Tourians when

609
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Speaker 6: it comes to ensuring that we have those really strong

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Speaker 6: connections across the community and really strong engagement across the

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Speaker 6: Northern Territory with community members and police. And I think

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Speaker 6: that they've done an exceptional job in being able to

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Speaker 6: produce the anti racism strategy, which they said they would.

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Speaker 6: I know it's been a bit delayed, but I think

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Speaker 6: it's great. It was launched and released yesterday. Unfortunately, I

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Speaker 6: think an opportunity missed by the Colp government to support

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Speaker 6: the good work of police. There was no leadership from Leofinocchio,

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Speaker 6: who is the Police Minister, who said she will back

619
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Speaker 6: in police no matter what at the launch. This is

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Speaker 6: going to fundamentally drive some of those really important changes

621
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Speaker 6: around the engagement for police and recognizing some of the

622
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Speaker 6: hurt from the past. But we're more importantly, Katie, moving

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Speaker 6: everyone forward together. And I think that is really clear

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Speaker 6: because it's about an action plan. It's not just a

625
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Speaker 6: document that's supposed to sit on the shelf, etc. Is

626
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Speaker 6: really about the driving force of bringing police together internally

627
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Speaker 6: but also across the community and engaging strongly with the community.

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Speaker 6: I think this is going to be a really important strategy,

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Speaker 6: a really important way to move our community across the

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Speaker 6: Northern Territory forward together when it comes to policing and

631
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Speaker 6: the NT.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you're absolutely correct, this is a This is a

633
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Speaker 5: very good outcome, particularly the delivery of the anti rac

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Speaker 5: racism training. But I'm quite surprised that I would have

635
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Speaker 5: thought this already existed. Yeah, I mean our company, you know,

636
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Speaker 5: we go through that proper processes, and previous government agencies

637
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Speaker 5: have worked for they have through all the anti racism.

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Speaker 5: I'm just wondering whether this is something that already exists

639
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Speaker 5: and is going to be expanded. But if it wasn't

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Speaker 5: there before, I mean, I'm surprised that it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: I think this is about the police acknowledging that through

642
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Speaker 3: the coronial process there have been a number of things

643
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Speaker 3: that have been raised and again it's important that you

644
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Speaker 3: know these are these are not widespread across the police force,

645
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Speaker 3: but if we can improve on the processes that are

646
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Speaker 3: already there in any way, shape or form, and Leanne

647
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Speaker 3: Little has been working with police to look at those

648
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Speaker 3: current processes and improve upon them so that we are

649
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Speaker 3: better supporting the police to obviously ensure that everything that

650
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Speaker 3: they do every day they're liaising with the community, and

651
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Speaker 3: that we can also be better representative of the community.

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Speaker 3: I always say, whenever I go to a school in

653
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Speaker 3: my electric in the Northern Territory, I want to see

654
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Speaker 3: thirty percent Indigenous population, because that's what the Northern territory

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Speaker 3: is and they're essentially saying exactly that, as part of

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Speaker 3: this strategy, we want to improve the amount of Aboriginal

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Speaker 3: people that are a part of our force because we

658
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Speaker 3: want to be representative of the community. And I think

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Speaker 3: that's absolutely These are things that are already being worked on,

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Speaker 3: but we're now really putting it into focus.

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Speaker 5: Do you think that instantly at your as well, do

662
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Speaker 5: you think this is going to be that thirty percent

663
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Speaker 5: target is going to be a hard target to get

664
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Speaker 5: to given the difficulty that's been in the past to

665
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Speaker 5: get Indigenous people to come and join the police force.

666
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Speaker 5: What's your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 6: Is that for me? Garan?

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, what was your thoughts?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's just so ambitious because I think

670
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Speaker 6: the rest of the public service has a target of

671
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Speaker 6: I think it's ten percent at under employees across the

672
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Speaker 6: public service, So the police are going higher and I

673
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Speaker 6: think that's fantastic because, as you said earlier, Katie, we're

674
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Speaker 6: talking about the front line interactions with some of the

675
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Speaker 6: most complex issues across the Northern Territory when it comes

676
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Speaker 6: to community safety, and having a target of thirty percent

677
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Speaker 6: I think is fantastic because that does. I think it

678
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Speaker 6: is because it reflects the population Katie, Like if they're

679
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Speaker 6: thirty percent average on tosad is in Northern Territory and

680
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 6: the police are saying, let's represent our police force the

681
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Speaker 6: same as what the population base is in the community.

682
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Speaker 6: So I think they're on the right track when it

683
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Speaker 6: comes to some of those pathways into police particularly with

684
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Speaker 6: the average liaison officers that's been extremely successful. I think

685
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 6: there is they could improve. I met with the Police

686
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Speaker 6: Commissioner earlier. We're in November now at the end of

687
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Speaker 6: last month. In October was alongside Leanne Little who actually

688
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Speaker 6: involved and heading up that Cultural Command Reform Unit within

689
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Speaker 6: the police force, and I think having that as the goal,

690
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Speaker 6: having that as the target, and having that as the

691
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Speaker 6: expectation for the police force, I think is a great

692
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Speaker 6: move because it shows that they're really in touch with

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Speaker 6: what the community expectation is, but also wanting to make

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Speaker 6: sure there are more opportunities for people across the community

695
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Speaker 6: to enter the police force and to stay within the

696
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Speaker 6: police force. It might not be an officer, it could

697
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Speaker 6: be another role within police but making sure there are pathways,

698
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Speaker 6: I think it's a great target to have and it

699
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Speaker 6: shows that they're really listening and looking at their own

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Speaker 6: structures to make sure that police really do represent the community.

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Speaker 4: Fantastic opportunities as well.

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Speaker 2: For you know, if you're a kid growing up in

703
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Speaker 2: Managrita or Gumbalana or wherever you may be, if you've

704
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Speaker 2: then got a local police officer who you look at

705
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Speaker 2: and you go, hey, I want.

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Speaker 4: To be like that. Isn't that a great thing?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Absolutely, And I think it's one of the few

708
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Speaker 3: things that Selena and I will agree on today. But

709
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Speaker 3: that's really positive as well that you know, we can

710
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Speaker 3: see that obviously the police force of acknowledged what's happened

711
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Speaker 3: in the past, but it's also about really building on

712
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Speaker 3: the future and supporting police officers right across the Northern Territory,

713
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Speaker 3: supporting original people that might want to join the force.

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Speaker 3: And I've seen that Nallo Springs myself, where I've had

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Speaker 3: a very good friend of mine. He's gone from being

716
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Speaker 3: an aboriginal li aaison officer to a constable and now

717
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: is a detective. You know, he's working his way up

718
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Speaker 3: and it's about those pathways. You cannot be what you

719
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Speaker 3: can't see, and we want to ensure that everyone right

720
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Speaker 3: across the Orland Territory. You can see themselves one day

721
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Speaker 3: maybe as a police officer, which is great to see.

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Speaker 2: We are going to have to take a really quick break.

723
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

724
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Speaker 2: It is the week that.

725
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Speaker 1: Was mixed one or four point nine three sixty, the

726
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Speaker 1: week that was the most listened to our in Territory radio.

727
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Speaker 2: Well, if you have just joined us in the studio

728
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Speaker 2: this morning, we've got Josh Burgoy and we've got Gary

729
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: Shipway and on the.

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Speaker 4: Line in Catherine Selena Yubo.

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Speaker 2: Now, I do want to just speak about the fact

732
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Speaker 2: that we know the inquiry into alcohol fueled violence in

733
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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory is facing delays. Than Territory Liquor Commission

734
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Speaker 2: has postponed hearings and decision making for that key license review,

735
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Speaker 2: citing substantial materials still outstanding from the applicant as I

736
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Speaker 2: understand it, though, the Commission were on the ABC yesterday

737
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Speaker 2: and did apologize that it had been delayed. Now, community

738
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: groups out in Palmerston have warned that this hold up

739
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: comes at a time when alcohol related violence remains a

740
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Speaker 2: serious concern in the area.

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Speaker 4: Now it's a really.

742
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Speaker 2: Difficult situation if you live out in that Drysdale area,

743
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: so gray.

744
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Speaker 4: Around those different suburbs.

745
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 2: There a short drive out there, and you do see

746
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: a lot of intoxicated people. But you also have to

747
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: remember that there's a sporting field a couple of hundred

748
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: meters away that kids attend every afternoon.

749
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Speaker 4: There's also a school right nearby.

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Speaker 2: There's not only been serious issues in terms of anti

751
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: social behavior, but there's been criminal behavior. You know, there's

752
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: been some really bad incidents unfold. This review needs to happen.

753
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Speaker 2: It needed to happen yesterday.

754
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Katie. I'm the member for Drysdale Clinton Howe.

755
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Speaker 3: I know he's been speaking to you and he's a

756
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Speaker 3: very strong advocate for his electorate in there. We've had

757
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: obviously the liquor Commissioner come on your show or on

758
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: ABC just the other day, spoke about obviously apologizing for

759
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Speaker 3: the delays. There was a letter sent to the Attorney

760
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: General and it only got sent through yesterday, Thursday, the

761
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 3: sixth of November. So it's really important that obviously the

762
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Speaker 3: Attorney General gets all the information regards to what's going

763
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Speaker 3: on there at the Liquor Commission. But I guess when

764
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Speaker 3: we look right across the Northern Territory in my hometown

765
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Speaker 3: of Alice Springs is probably a classic example. We've dealt

766
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Speaker 3: with a lot of these our correlated issues. We have

767
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Speaker 3: some of the strongest implementation of our core restrictions across

768
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Speaker 3: the NT, and obviously the member for Drysdale Clinton how

769
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Speaker 3: he's now looking to how he can best support his

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Speaker 3: community to reduce some of these issues that are happening

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Speaker 3: in Did you say.

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Speaker 2: The Attorney Generals now written to the Liquor Commission?

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Speaker 3: No, I no know, so the Liquor Commission. I believe

774
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Speaker 3: it was reported yeah, yes, today that the Liquor Commission

775
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 3: had rode in to the AG and I just wanted

776
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: to be really clear with everyone that letter was only

777
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 3: received yesterday. So in regards to I guess what, well

778
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Speaker 3: exactly acknowledging what's occurred, and that my understanding is now

779
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Speaker 3: the report and what the Liquor Commissioner said on radio

780
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Speaker 3: is that it will now be early next year. So

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Speaker 3: again for a lot of people, that's going to be

782
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Speaker 3: hard to hear because they're now going to be dealing with.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's not your portfolio, nor is it your electorate,

784
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Speaker 2: But are there emergency measures that can be put into

785
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Speaker 2: place here, because if you live in that area and

786
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Speaker 2: you are dealing with some of the issues that are

787
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: going on out there, and also when you look at

788
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Speaker 2: the violence that's occurring, and I just don't know how

789
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Speaker 2: people are meant to continue on.

790
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it's about supporting our police to be able

791
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Speaker 3: to respond to these issues and then the longer term,

792
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: have the plans in place that can actually deal with

793
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 3: the alcoholism that's occurring. So we've seen we've been recruiting

794
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: relentlessly to police. We're upping those numbers right across the territory.

795
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Speaker 3: Last year in Alie Springs we had South Australian Police

796
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Speaker 3: come up. We do not need that now because we

797
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 3: have enough police officers to be able to support our

798
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Speaker 3: frontline workers, our children and families to ensure that we

799
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: are dealing with these issues now. Obviously we acknowledge what

800
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Speaker 3: is happening in Palmerston, especially as Clinton Howe was raised,

801
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: but it's also about now those longer term options with

802
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 3: the Liquor Commission is working on to ensure that we

803
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: look beyond just I guess the police response. We need

804
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Speaker 3: another response as well.

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Speaker 5: I think this is a microcosm. What's something elsewhere in

806
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Speaker 5: the territory. I mean you can go to Tenant Creek,

807
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 5: you can go to Catherine, you can go to Nightcliff,

808
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 5: you can go to where the Woolies is at Nightcliff.

809
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Speaker 5: You've got what used to be perap we used to

810
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 5: have problems at the prep store. It's Stuart Park. I

811
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 5: mean it's everywhere. So you know, what's happening with Clinton

812
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 5: is probably happening in a lot of other places as well.

813
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 5: And you've got to at what point do you, well,

814
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Speaker 5: maybe there's restrictions go back in place. I mean, you

815
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 5: affect the business of the corner stores. We've wrestled with

816
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: this before as a community. Just how far do you go?

817
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Speaker 4: Well, I take on board what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: But then I believe it was Athena Pasco Bell and

819
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: pointed out how many licenses there are out in that

820
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Speaker 2: Palmerston region. I mean, Selena, hopefully I've got you there.

821
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Speaker 4: What do you make of it?

822
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Speaker 2: I mean, do you think this needs to happen more quickly?

823
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: I seem to be having an issue there with that

824
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: fine line. Look, I think it's pretty sack.

825
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: Those liquor sales. This is something that we've literally struggled

826
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Speaker 3: with Anello springs as well. People will always say, if

827
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: we just close down some bottle shops, we'll fix the problem. Unfortunately,

828
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Speaker 3: when you're addicted to alcohol, people will find a way

829
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: to access those substances. So it's really important here we

830
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: look at where the alcohol's coming from. And this is

831
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Speaker 3: the work that the Liquor Commission can do. Look at

832
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: where it's coming from, when people are accessing it, and

833
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: how we can then best interact and help those people

834
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: that are quite literally addicted to alcohol. And this is

835
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Speaker 3: that other healthy I.

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Speaker 2: Totally agree, But at what point do we go, Okay,

837
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: we've got X number of licenses in a particular area.

838
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Speaker 2: Is that maybe too many? Do we need to review this?

839
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: Where do we need to go from here? Because you know,

840
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Speaker 2: you want to make sure that you're managing it in

841
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Speaker 2: an appropriate way.

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Speaker 3: And I guess that's the thing that the work that

843
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 3: needs to be done, Katey, if that's what the community wants.

844
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Speaker 3: So if you have liquor wholesalers, liquor outlets, theyre that

845
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 3: are happy to give back their licenses, that are willing

846
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: to talk. Remembering that there was a process previously that

847
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 3: was went through and I think we only had a

848
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 3: couple that were actually sold. It's all about working with

849
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: the community to find the best response in this area

850
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Speaker 3: because what works here might not work somewhere else. And

851
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Speaker 3: it's been the same with Olie Springs. What works and

852
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: Ellis might not work up in Gray.

853
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, and you do you look at restricting

854
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 5: times that the alcohol is available. I mean, you've got

855
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 5: to try to work with the shopkeepers as well, because

856
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 5: they're not it's the people buying the grog and not everyone.

857
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 5: Not everyone's going out and abuse meent. So, yeah, at

858
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 5: what point do you where do you draw the line

859
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 5: where that doesn't impact Selena?

860
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Speaker 4: Hopefully I've got you on the line.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 4: Are you able to hear me? Hopefully I've got Selena?

863
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 4: Can you hear me? Selena? No, we're having real.

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Speaker 2: Issues with that phone for some reason this morning. Hopefully

865
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Speaker 2: we're able to get her back on the line. Let's

866
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: take a really quick break though. You are listening to

867
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Speaker 2: Mix one O four nines three sixty.

868
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: It is the week that was mixed one of four

869
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: point nine three sixty, the week that was the most

870
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: listened to our in Territory Radio.

871
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: It is just three minutes away from ten o'clock, and

872
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: I do apologize to Selena Rubo and Catherine.

873
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 4: The phone line keeps dropping out. Selena, I'm glad we've

874
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 4: got you for the last break though.

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00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: I apologize to you and well, if you have just

876
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: joined us, you've missed a cracking hour. Josh Burgoyn as

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Speaker 2: well as Gary Shipway and of course Selena in Catherine.

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Speaker 2: Now before I let you go, Josh, I've not had

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Speaker 2: the opportunity to ask you. I know the Northern Territories

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Speaker 2: are planning rules right at the center of this political stash,

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Speaker 2: with the COLP of course denying claims that red tape

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Speaker 2: is stopping new supermarkets from setting up shop. That follows

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Speaker 2: Luke Gosling saying the Commonwealth would deliver one point two

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Speaker 2: million dollars an incentive to reform planning and zoning laws

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Speaker 2: to make sure that well other supermarkets.

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Speaker 4: Can come to the Northern Territory. What are you holding up?

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Speaker 3: I tell you what, Katie. We're happy to take the

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Speaker 3: one point two million, but I'm not sure what planning

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Speaker 3: restrictions mister Gosling is talking about. So just to be

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Speaker 3: really clear with your listeners in other states and territories

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Speaker 3: around the country, there are certain regulations that are in

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Speaker 3: place here in the Northern Territory when we're looking at

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Speaker 3: obviously working with a proponent to come here. We're happy

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Speaker 3: to work with whoever wants to come here, talk about land,

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Speaker 3: talk about where they want to build. We're very supportive

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Speaker 3: of that. At the end of the day, I think

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Speaker 3: mister Gosling sort of made a promise around Audi. And

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Speaker 3: it may be Audi themselves or perhaps don't want to

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Speaker 3: come to Darwin, but we will always work with whoever

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Speaker 3: is willing to knock on the door and get them

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Speaker 3: up here and work with them to develop a project,

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Speaker 3: because that's what we're all about here, about getting stuff done.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what, I've got it written on

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Speaker 3: my whiteboard up in the up in the office. Make

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Speaker 3: it happen, Katie. So if Audi come to me and

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Speaker 3: say we want to build in the territory, we'll make

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Speaker 3: it happen.

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Speaker 4: You're more than happy to. I mean, do we want Aldi?

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Speaker 4: Will we rather someone else? I don't know. I guess

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Speaker 4: would take anyone.

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Speaker 5: But look, there's no doubt died to create competition. But

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Speaker 5: we spoken We've reached out down and we can't get

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Speaker 5: them that they want to come here. No, so, and

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Speaker 5: I still don't know what the red tape is that's

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Speaker 5: been held up. We've reached out to the federal government

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Speaker 5: to find out what that was. But yeah, look, people

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Speaker 5: would like to have a choice. And those people that

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Speaker 5: feel that Coles and Woollies are you know, got the market, well,

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Speaker 5: Awdy does have some cheaper products. Having shopped in audi

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Speaker 5: when I go into state, yeah, yeah, visits and yeah,

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Speaker 5: but it would probably create good competition, but not voling

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Speaker 5: for them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Selena, I've spoken about this on numerous occasions,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of the time people text through and

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Speaker 2: they're like, Katie, can't we invest some or can't we

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Speaker 2: really try to get you know, IgA or some of

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Speaker 2: the others that are more Australian. I suppose to really

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Speaker 2: you know, get moving in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 4: What do you think?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think more choice is definitely what territorians would

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Speaker 6: benefit from, Katie, And I think in this case having

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Speaker 6: that option, particularly in our major town centers of cities

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Speaker 6: of Darwen and Palmerston and for places like here in Catherine.

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Speaker 6: You know, we've got Woolworth. We've got one small independent

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Speaker 6: kind of growth through Mart and then that's it. So

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Speaker 6: in terms of I guess food security if there is

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Speaker 6: a flood in a place like Catherine, having some more options,

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Speaker 6: especially in the new development area of having that reliability

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Speaker 6: if we do have, unfortunately, dare I say, knock on

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Speaker 6: Wood another Catherine flood in the next couple of years.

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Speaker 6: You know, that would really put a town out and

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Speaker 6: the regional hub that Catherine is for all of our

943
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Speaker 6: remote communities. So I mean community resilience is also a

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Speaker 6: really important thing. It'd be great to hear more from

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Speaker 6: what the cop has around, you know, planned food security

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Speaker 6: in resilience. But I think choice when it comes down

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Speaker 6: to you know what Luke's been driving as the mempher

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Speaker 6: Solomon for that big part of the northern territory of

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Speaker 6: Dalwen and Palmerston under his electorate, I think choice and competitiveness.

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Speaker 6: Is it going to always make sure that it's better

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Speaker 6: for territorians in the pocket because we know the cost

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Speaker 6: of living is a big challenge for everyone at the moment.

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Speaker 5: So the choice that you're saying it is a good thing.

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Speaker 5: And I just want to say that the federal government

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Speaker 5: needs to be get a patter in the back for

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Speaker 5: the remote stores program they've got going which is helped

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Speaker 5: create cheaper groceries in over those thirty grocery.

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Speaker 6: Items item here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's.

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Speaker 5: Been a good good thing and that just demonstrates how

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Speaker 5: how cost is a factor in those areas. So you know,

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Speaker 5: just you recall, maybe think of that week good move.

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Speaker 2: Well look that is all we've got time for this morning. Selena,

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Speaker 2: you bo in, Catherine as always, good to have you

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Speaker 2: on the show.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, and happy Friday to over on Katie.

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Speaker 2: Thank you you too, and Josh Burgoyne of course Minister

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Speaker 2: for Lands Planning, Environment, lots of other things, Thanks so

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Speaker 2: much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having us on, Katie and go those mos.

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Speaker 2: Hey We're not mine and Selena's we're not growing out.

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Speaker 4: Garry ship way. Thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 4: this morning.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Katie, and I'd like to wish all those in

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Speaker 5: at the Brogger Awards this weekend every success. Hope are

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Speaker 5: those people that are in the running what they deserve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff, wonderful to have you all in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Thank you again for your time. Plenty more coming your way.

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Speaker 4: Today,