1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Of all the topics we discussed on the Happy Families podcast, Kylie, 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: which one would you say is probably taking more of 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: our time, focus and attention than any other screen? 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: Screen screens. 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: So today in our very special Doctor's Desk episode of 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: the Happy Families podcast, we're talking about a first of 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: its kind study, a brand new study published just recently 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: in the Proceedings for the National Academy of Science as 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: an Oxford academic journal, in the last couple of months 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: that grab my attention and it's fascinating and it just 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: impacts so heavily on everything we're doing in our families 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to screens. Can't wait to talk to 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: you about this one. Hello, Welcome to the Happy Families podcast, 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: Real Parenting Solutions every day on Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast. 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: We are Justin and Kylie Coulson. Kylie, let's crack on 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: straight away. This one caught my attention and I can 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: see that you're sitting on the edge of your chair, 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: riveted by what I'm about to say. 19 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: Please share. 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: Okay, So this was published, like I said, in p 21 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: and As Nexus, just a couple of months ago. The 22 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: title of the journal article is blocking mobile Internet on 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: smartphones improves sustained attention, mental health, and subjective well being. 24 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: So basically, here's what happens in their study. Researchers use 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: a mobile phone app to block all mobile Internet access 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: from participant smartphones for two weeks and then well, that 27 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: way they can track compliance, like are you using a 28 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: smartphone to access the Internet? No, because we've blocked it. 29 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: It's only a two week intervention. It's specifically targeting the 30 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: features of smartphones that make them smart. But they can 31 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: still use their mobile phone for texts and calls, and 32 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: they can still use non mobile internet, so they can 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: still use their desktop or their laptop to get work 34 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: done and even use social media if they want. And 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: here's what they find. After two weeks of not being 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: able to use your smart phone as a smartphone, but 37 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: just using it literally like a brick, like a dumb phone, 38 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: the intervention improved mental health, subjective well being, and objectively 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: measured ability to sustain attention. Ninety one percent of participants 40 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: improved on at least one of the outcomes. What they 41 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: found was that when this study was carried out, people 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: spent their time differently. When people didn't have access to 43 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,279 Speaker 1: mobile Internet. On the smartphone, they spent more time socializing 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: in person, more time exercising, more time being in nature. 45 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: So basically causal evidence. All the research that we've got 46 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: is correlational. There are no randomized controlled trials. This is 47 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: the first one that I'm aware of causal evidence. Blocking 48 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: mobile internet improves psychological outcomes. And I think the broader 49 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: point is this, whilever we maintain the status quo, whilever 50 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 1: we continue to stay constantly connected to the Internet, it's 51 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: going to be detrimental to our time use, to our 52 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: cognitive functioning, to our ability to sustain attention, and most 53 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: important of all, to our well being. 54 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: We experienced the positive impact of removing our phones from 55 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: our lives for a week when we went away recently, 56 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: and it's amazing just how much lighter we felt. Freedom 57 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: is the only word I had. I felt unshackled. I 58 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: felt this capacity to think for myself and to think 59 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 2: in a way that I don't usually think. 60 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. What stood out to me is that I didn't 61 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: notice it while we were going without, but when we 62 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: got back to it and we had access to it again, 63 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: that's when I noticed it. 64 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: The bombard moves. 65 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, constantly curiously. In this particular study, what they 66 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: found was they had to look at how much smartphone 67 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: usage was happening. The intervention significantly reduced smartphone use. Average 68 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: screen time decreased in the intervention group from three hundred 69 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: and fourteen minutes at time one to one hundred and 70 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: sixty one minutes at time too, and then it rebounded 71 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: back to two hundred and sixty five minutes at time three, 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: Whereas for the other group, what they found was it 73 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: went from three hundred and thirty six minutes to just 74 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty two minutes, and then finally when 75 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: they got to do the intervention later, it dropped to 76 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety minutes. So fundamentally, when you don't 77 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: have access to the smart content, the smart functionality, you 78 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: just use the device a whole lot less and you 79 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: feel better about it. They've got data on psychological functioning 80 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: which changes as well. Like the word that you used, 81 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: you felt free, You felt freer. I don't know that 82 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: I've ever thought about it like this until the very 83 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: moment we're having this conversation. This wasn't planned, but in 84 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: some ways we are prisoners to our devices. They hold 85 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: as captive because. 86 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: Even as a mature aged adult who understands and knows 87 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: the implications of smartphones and what they can and do 88 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: do to us, get literally. 89 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: After the break, we'll talk about how you can unhook 90 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: your kids and yourself from the barb that captures you 91 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: and holds you captive. Okay, Kylie, everybody knows about Jonathan Hate. 92 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: We've been talking about him on the podcast. Well it's 93 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: not because we've been talking about him, but we have 94 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: been talking about him. He's a global phenomenon. He wrote 95 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: The Anxious Generation, and he said this recently in an 96 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: interview with Ezra Kline on his podcast. Just want to 97 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: share this because it highlights just how important is that 98 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: we get this right, and also how much he actually 99 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: got something wrong in his book In. 100 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 3: The Anxious Generation, I think I grossly underestimated the harm 101 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: that's happening because I focused on mental illness. But the 102 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: bigger damage, I think is the destruction of human attention 103 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: in millions, possibly tens or hundreds of millions of kids 104 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 3: around the world. When you talk to pre tech teachers, 105 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 3: they seem the kids are coming with language delays, social 106 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: problems because raised on iPads. So let me give a 107 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: suggestion to parents like you with your young kids. I 108 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: wish I'd understood this when my kids were young. Let's 109 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: distinguish between a pretty good use of screens and a 110 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 3: really really bad use of screens. So pretty good use 111 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 3: of screens is to put on a long movie like 112 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: ninety minutes more, you know, a long movie. They're going 113 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: to pay attention to a long movie about characters in 114 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: a moral universe. So there's issues of good and bad 115 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: and norms and betrayal, and it's part of their moral training, 116 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 3: their moral formation. And they're watching it with another person. 117 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 3: Now that can be you, ideally, but it's okay if 118 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 3: it's a sibling or a friend, because it's social. Here's 119 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: what's really really bad, iPad time by yourself, because that's 120 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: exactly the opposite. It's solitary. It's not stories. And if 121 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: they are stories, there are fifteen second stories that are 122 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: a moral or really immoral, really disgusting, degrading things and 123 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: terrible things, people doing terrible things to each others. And 124 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: then the other thing that I really want parents to 125 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: understand is that this is not TV. TV is a 126 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: good way of entertainment. TV puts out a story but 127 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: a touch screen is a behavioral behaviorist training device. A 128 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: touch screen, you get a stimulus, you make a response, 129 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: and then you get a reward which gives you a 130 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: little bit of dopamine, which makes you want to do 131 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: it again and again and again. So a touchscreen can 132 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: train your child the way a circus trainer can train 133 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: an animal. TV isn't like that. So iPad time iPhone 134 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 3: time for your three four five year old is just 135 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: not a good thing. 136 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: This was the clip that I was telling you about 137 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago on the podcast. Yeah, listening 138 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: to him, he's not saying we have to eradicate screens 139 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: from our lives. The reality is we live in a 140 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: world off screens and technology. We can't get away from it. 141 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: Well, I was going to pick him up on that 142 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: and say it would be better if you weren't watching 143 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: the screen at all, But he's choosing between the lesser 144 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: of two evils. His screen's there. Then ABC Kids, Bluey 145 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: a movie. That kind of thing is way better. 146 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: And in some ways I think parents can kind of 147 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: just relax a little bit when it comes to this. 148 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: We've had so many conversations about you know, you can 149 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: only watch this much time each day on a screen, 150 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 2: but understanding and annoying. If I had to choose between 151 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: letting my kids scroll even for thirty minutes and just 152 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 2: you know, see TikTok videos or reels compared to spending 153 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: an hour watching a movie, that that's actually the better option. 154 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: It's not so much about a time thing. It's about 155 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: what they're doing with that. 156 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: Time central thing. That stood up to me when he 157 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: said I have grossly underestimated it. 158 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually wrote those words the impact, Yeah, yeah. 159 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: And the screens are literally training our kids. They have 160 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: been set up by the world's smartest people who understand 161 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: neurology and neuroscience and how our brains work better than 162 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: anyone on the planet, and not just one or two people, 163 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: like thousands of people have sat down. They do so 164 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: much to capture our children. Recent conversations that I have 165 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: had with Brad Marshall, Doctor Brad Marshall, and also Withfessor 166 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: Wayne Warburton. Both of those conversations coming up on the 167 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: podcast in the next few weeks, highlight new data that 168 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: is indicating that problematic gaming is actually more harmful than 169 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: we always thought, and that our kids are being hooked 170 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: by these addiction machines. I want to read this quote 171 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: to you. This is something that I quoted in The 172 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: Parenting Revolution in my book The Pairing Revolution, from a 173 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: New York Times essay by a guy called William Sue. 174 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: Williams Sue is a former game developer and founder of 175 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: Storm eight. He's launched more than fifty mobile games. Collectively, 176 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: they've been download or over a billion times. He's also 177 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: generated more than a billion dollars in sales. So this 178 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: guy knows what he's talking about when he describes how 179 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: this all works, Kylie word perfect. This is his quote 180 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: out of the New York Times. I am very familiar 181 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: with game addiction, as that's what I thought about every 182 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: day for more than a decade. I hired product managers 183 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: and engineers to track everything players did and analyze their behavior. 184 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: Using the data we collected, we experimented with every feature 185 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: our games to see which versions allowed us to extract 186 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: the most time and money from our players. For us, 187 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: game addiction was by design. It meant success for our business. 188 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: And then he adds this compelling statement, that's the ultimate 189 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: goal to build habit forming games that have players coming 190 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: back every day. In other words, it takes away the 191 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: decision making. We wanted people to reach for their phones 192 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: first thing in the morning and jump right into our games, 193 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: just as they check their social media and emails. The 194 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: smartest people in the world are trying to literally addict 195 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: our children. And the same parts of the brain that 196 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: light up when you gamble or when you take drugs, 197 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: the same parts of your brain that light up when 198 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: you get onto social media or when you get onto 199 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: an online game. The most recent research that captured my 200 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: attention was participants were put into a relaxation state in 201 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: this study, sitting there, they're relaxing, they're breathing, and then 202 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: their mobile phone pings about six minutes into their relaxation, 203 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: just thing notification, text message. It's been sent by the experimenters. 204 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: It's just that the people didn't know that they were 205 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: going to get a text message. Their brain's being monitored. 206 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: It's an EEG. It's an electro and cephalogram and it 207 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: just measures brain waves and as soon as this text 208 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: message goes ding, their brain goes crazy. All the reward 209 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: surgery in the brain's like what is it? It's like this, Yes, 210 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: somebody's thinking of me. Somebody wants to talk to me. 211 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: It's so profoundly impactful, and it hits our kids. I 212 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: mean it hits all of our brains hard, but it 213 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:44,239 Speaker 1: hits our kids' brains such a sensitive period in their development. 214 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: Let's go back to the study because we need to 215 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: wrap this up. We've talked for way too long, Kylie, 216 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: the randomized controlled trial. First of it's kind that I'm 217 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: aware of blocking all usage of the phone, all Internet 218 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: connected usage of the phone. It's just text messages and 219 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: telephone calls, and people are going, hmm, yeah, I'm happier. 220 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: I can sustain attention. 221 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: Where do I get this app? 222 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called a dumb phone? Like literally it's called 223 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: But how. 224 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: Hard is it to get a dumb phone these days? 225 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: Like it's almost non existent. 226 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: Mine's almost here. I've been waiting for so long. I've 227 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: ordered this thing called the light Phone three, and it's 228 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: going to be here in the next month, and then 229 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: we'll find out how viable it is to use one 230 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: if it works for me. Though, I can't wait. I 231 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: just can't wait. 232 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: Do they even print refordexes anymore? 233 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: For those of you who are not familiar with the refidees, 234 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: it's also known as a UbD or a melwase. That's 235 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: the that's the map that you use to buy and read. 236 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: Do you reckon our kids? W know how to do that? 237 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: No? Not in a billionaires. 238 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: Good luck doing this in your home. Here are our tips. 239 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: Minimize screen us, particularly minimize smart device access. If you 240 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: can reduce your Internet usage on your smart phone, you 241 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: can still use the Internet, just don't use it on 242 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: the phone, and you'll find that you usage you go down, 243 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: your physical activity will go up, your time in nature 244 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: will go up, and your socializing time will go up. 245 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: All of those things are associated with better outcomes for 246 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: you and for your family, and we think it'll make 247 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: your family flourish. I know we keep on hammering this point, 248 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: but I think that we're losing more human potential today 249 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: because of what we're doing with smartphones than at any 250 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: time in human history. It's just devastating. Here's my provocative 251 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: take for today. I know that there have been awful 252 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: war criminals that have created catastrophic damage and harm, and 253 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: so I'm mindful that what I'm about to say could 254 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: be taken the wrong way. I don't know if I'm 255 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: putting it to that level, but I reckon. We're pretty close. 256 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: I reckon people like Mark Zuckerberg and those who run 257 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: the biggest platforms and create these devices are responsible for 258 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: more human misery, suffering, misfortune, and unhappiness than almost anybody 259 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: who has ever walked the face. 260 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: Of the earth. Well, after that Debbie downer over comment, 261 00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 2: I think I need to go watch if your Real 262 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: was just still lighted. 263 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: I still have some work to do, obviously. We will 264 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: link to the study in the show notes. Thanks so 265 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: much for listening. 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