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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation. Our heartsore and half heart sick.

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Speaker 1: I think is how we're all feeling. What's that quote

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Speaker 1: you like to quote from the Big Fish song.

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Speaker 2: Mighty Mighty bus times the impression that I get I'm

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Speaker 2: not a coward, but I've never been tested.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so many people would test it on the weekend.

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Speaker 1: And this is what happens in moments like this. We

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Speaker 1: see the worst and the best of humanity together as

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Speaker 1: well as thanking all the first responders. I thought Anthony

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Speaker 1: Albernezi said it beautifully when he said.

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Speaker 3: Start for whom this should have been a normal shift,

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Speaker 3: shoppers peacefully going about their lives. And yet for these Australians,

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Speaker 3: their first instinct in the face of danger was to

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Speaker 3: help someone else. That is what we hold on to

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Speaker 3: tonight as Australians. That's confirmation of who we are. Brave, strong, together.

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Speaker 1: So hard, so hard, isn't it. And that's my local

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Speaker 1: shopping precinct, Bond Dijunction, Westfield. So the first thing you

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Speaker 1: do is check that all your ducks are okay and

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Speaker 1: make sure everyone's okay. And then all our friends were

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Speaker 1: all texting each other, everyone okay, everyone's kid's okay, imagine

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Speaker 1: sending out that sonar and not getting anything back from

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Speaker 1: a loved one. Dreadful, absolutely terrifying. And this is what

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Speaker 1: the mall is for us. Now, this is our town square.

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Speaker 1: And you can see why. Mums and babies. You're trying

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Speaker 1: to get your baby to sleep, you're bored at home,

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Speaker 1: you need to get out. That's where your head. You

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Speaker 1: head to the shopping center. Teenagers meet up with each

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Speaker 1: other in the shopping center. That's where you have your

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Speaker 1: retail therapy. That's where you de stress. That's where you

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Speaker 1: wander around as aimlessly or as aim fully as you like.

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Speaker 1: And I wonder if we'll ever feel about a shopping

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Speaker 1: mall the same way again. The sanctity of the shopping all,

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Speaker 1: the right to take it, to be so blase about

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Speaker 1: wandering around a shopping mall, has been taken away from us.

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Speaker 2: I've always felt, ever since the Strettfield massacre, all those

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Speaker 2: years ago, I've always felt unsafe in shopping set. It's

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Speaker 2: all you have since then, not unsafe, but I always

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Speaker 2: feel when I go to a shopping center, I don't

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Speaker 2: mosey around them. I go there usually to get a

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Speaker 2: gift for someone, and you go into our shops that

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Speaker 2: sells candles or plates or something like that. So usually

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Speaker 2: it's largely women that I'm buying gifts for, and you're

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Speaker 2: in and out, like I walk through there, but I'm

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Speaker 2: always very mindful of what's going on the other During

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Speaker 2: my holidays though, there was a point where I had

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Speaker 2: to wait for my mum while she went to the dentist,

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Speaker 2: so I just wandered aimlessly around Miranda Fair and I'm

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Speaker 2: just wandering around, got a coffee. And what you do

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Speaker 2: when you're in those places you go into a fugue

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Speaker 2: state where you're not really aware of your surroundings. You

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Speaker 2: just sort of switch off a.

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Speaker 1: Bit, which is what we love about the time we

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Speaker 1: spend in them all. Yeah, if you switch off time.

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Speaker 2: And you do wonder if something like that had happened.

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Speaker 2: But as I said, you know, ever since what happened

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Speaker 2: at Strathfield Plaza all those years ago ago, it's always

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Speaker 2: played on my mind.

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Speaker 1: Also, imagine if we didn't have such strict gun laws.

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Speaker 1: Six lives lost in a horrendous dabbing frenzy, but imagine

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Speaker 1: if it had a gun. Someone say, well he was

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Speaker 1: killed with a gun, Yes, from an armed professional. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't an individual with If everyone was armed, how

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Speaker 1: chaotic that scene would have been, how many more lives

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Speaker 2: It's been proven time and time again in America where

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Speaker 2: an arms shooter has gone into a place and there's

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Speaker 2: people with guns, but suddenly people just don't have the

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Speaker 2: stones to do it.

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Speaker 1: No, but also you don't know someone's got a gun.

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Speaker 1: Are you the assailant or are you the good guy

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Speaker 1: who knows?

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Speaker 2: But that police officer absolutely amazing, amazing, the guy with

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Speaker 2: the ballard, absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 1: The heroism of people has been extraordinary. Something else that

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Speaker 1: I find really that I know will be unpicked in

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Speaker 1: coming weeks, as it should be, is he targeted women.

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Speaker 1: We have an epidemic of violence against women in our society.

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Speaker 1: At the moment, we don't know what his motives were,

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Speaker 1: but obviously of all the eighteen people who were stabbed,

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Speaker 1: thirteen were females. What's going on there? I was in

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Speaker 1: early thirties, mid thirties, he said he's gone off Instagram

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Speaker 1: the assumption that as a white man in his thirties.

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Speaker 1: He wants to listen to Andrew Tate. He's interested in

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, which he isn't. And he's getting a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of anti trans, anti woke, so called anti he's

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Speaker 1: getting homophobic stuff. And he said, this is what's being

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Speaker 1: funneled to young men at the moment. This is a

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Speaker 1: much more wide ranging conversation. But what an interesting way

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Speaker 1: of looking at this is what is social media doing

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Speaker 1: to the men in our society?

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Speaker 2: Zuckerberg has a lot to answer for, doesn't he really,

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Speaker 2: when you think about.

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Speaker 1: It, because they know what the algorithm is, they tweak

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Speaker 1: that algorithm. It's not just happenstance. It's not organic in

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Speaker 1: any way, Hi and Mighty.

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Speaker 2: You can't have a breastfeeding mother on Facebook, but you

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Speaker 2: can have a guy doing a live show.

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Speaker 1: And you have to have rules if you're going to

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Speaker 1: be a publisher. But he sometimes gets somehow gets around

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Speaker 1: that that it's not under the guys, that isn't a

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Speaker 1: publishing platform. But someone's got to be in charge. And

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Speaker 1: this is free speech, but it's not really. It's the

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Speaker 1: hot it's targeted. It's absolutely targeted. How are you all feeling?

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Speaker 1: I mean, we need a collective hug. We need it,

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Speaker 1: and for the people who were there, horrendous. And also

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Speaker 1: there are mental health professionals who are going to be

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Speaker 1: there working with the staff at Bondai Junction. But even

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Speaker 1: if you weren't actively involved on the weekend, certainly this

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Speaker 1: triggers a lot of response from a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: the idea that the mall is no longer sacred to

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Speaker 1: us or a safe space. One of the girls who

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Speaker 1: works with us, her sister was traveling overseas and was

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Speaker 1: part of a terrorist moment. Incidents like this yesterday have

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Speaker 1: triggered emotions for her. Is everyone okay, what is it

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Speaker 1: you'd like to talk about regarding this use us. This

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Speaker 1: is the ultimate tribal drum.

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Speaker 2: It really is fading for you,