WEBVTT - What is Daniel Andrews’ legacy?

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's theirsday,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty eighth of September. I'm Zara, I'm Sam. You

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<v Speaker 2>know him for his North Faced jackets and extremely long

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<v Speaker 2>COVID era press conferences, but Daniel Andrews's legacy will be

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<v Speaker 2>as one of Australia's most electorally successful yet somehow also

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<v Speaker 2>divisive premiers that the country has ever seen. In today's

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<v Speaker 2>deep Dive, we're going to look at the premiers nine

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<v Speaker 2>years in power and how Daniel Andrews will be remembered

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<v Speaker 2>and what you need to know about Victoria's incoming Premier,

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<v Speaker 2>Jainter Allen.

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<v Speaker 3>I have been elected indors unanimously by my caucus colleagues

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<v Speaker 3>to replace the fabulous Daniel Andrews.

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<v Speaker 2>But for SAMs more news from PwC That's Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Quantas CEO Vanessa Hudson has defended the cost of the

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<v Speaker 2>Hudson addressed a Senate inquiry on the airline industry just

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<v Speaker 2>weeks into the roles she took over from Alan Joyce.

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<v Speaker 2>Senators also heard from Qatar Airways representatives who said they

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<v Speaker 4>The Writers Guild of America has voted to end its

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<v Speaker 4>by the union will now resume work today. However, it's

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<v Speaker 2>The good news pharmacies in New South Wales can issue

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<v Speaker 2>hopes the trial will also ease pressures on GP services.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Andrews is one of the most electorally successful yet

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<v Speaker 2>polarizing leaders Australia has ever seen, but when he was

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<v Speaker 2>sworn in as Premier in December twenty fourteen, he was

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<v Speaker 2>considered to have defied the odds by defeating a one

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<v Speaker 2>term government as a relatively unknown political figure. Hard to

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<v Speaker 2>believe now, but up until then, the vibe around the

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<v Speaker 2>would be premier was that essentially no one could remember

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<v Speaker 2>if he was Daniel Andrews or Andrew Daniel, a point

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<v Speaker 2>of confusion that the then coalition government in Victoria actually

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<v Speaker 2>used to their advantage. But an effective rebranding from Labor

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<v Speaker 2>to just Dam and an effective election campaign helped him

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<v Speaker 2>to win the twenty fourteen election.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is a premier who's been in power in

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<v Speaker 4>the state for nine years. He's actually the longest serving

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<v Speaker 4>labor premier in Victoria's history. And when he came up

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<v Speaker 4>to the press conference this week to announce his resignation

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<v Speaker 4>to the media pack, it was clear that he wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to point to certain parts of that time in office,

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<v Speaker 4>which he says shaped his legacy. Before we get to

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<v Speaker 4>what other people think his legacy will be. What did

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<v Speaker 4>he say to find his time as leader?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there are a few key areas that Andrews alluded

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<v Speaker 2>to being really proud of. You're right, he got up

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<v Speaker 2>and there was I think it was quite an unexpected press.

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<v Speaker 4>Conference, kind of came from nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean came from nowhere. In the timing of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's grand final weekend in Victoria. It's like quite a

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<v Speaker 2>big time. But everyone that watches politics has known for

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<v Speaker 2>a very long time that he was going to resign sometime.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I remember years ago there were already rumblings

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<v Speaker 2>of just intrall and replacing Daniel Andrews.

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<v Speaker 4>So would you say you were expecting it this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was expecting it last year. But in reflecting

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<v Speaker 2>on his own time in power, it was really interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to see what Andrews himself wanted to really highlight. So

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<v Speaker 2>there are a couple of things. The first was that

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<v Speaker 2>he was proud of his government's social policies.

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<v Speaker 5>To lead the most progressive branch of Australia's oldest political

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<v Speaker 5>party for thirteen years has been an honor.

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<v Speaker 2>So things like Victoria's voluntary assisted dying laws, so their

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<v Speaker 2>euthanasia laws which passed in twenty seventeen. The state also

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<v Speaker 2>held a landmark Royal Commission into family violence, and his

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<v Speaker 2>government also introduced safe injecting rooms as a harm minimization

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<v Speaker 2>strategy for drug users in the state. And so those

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<v Speaker 2>were kind of the social elements that Andrews really wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to highlight over his last nine years.

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<v Speaker 4>And we spoke on the podcast last week about a

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<v Speaker 4>topic that we didn't know at the time was going

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<v Speaker 4>to be what Daniel Andrews described as his last big

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<v Speaker 4>piece of policy reform.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. We spoke about the Victorian government's housing statement,

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<v Speaker 2>which we discussed as part of that Airbnb tax episode.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's an episode called the Beginning of the End

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<v Speaker 2>for Airbnb if you want to go back and listen

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<v Speaker 2>to that. But when it came to what Andrews said

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<v Speaker 2>was his defining moment during his time as premier. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't actually mention housing or social reform.

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<v Speaker 5>It happened Thursday afternoon when I got on the test

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<v Speaker 5>train at Metro Tunnel with no media and I traveled

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<v Speaker 5>underneath the city at eighty kilometers an hour on a

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<v Speaker 5>train that was made right here in Victoria, through a

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<v Speaker 5>tunnel that's getting very close to being finished, all because

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<v Speaker 5>of the good work of Victorians.

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<v Speaker 2>People say that politicians aren't real people.

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<v Speaker 4>Him and Joe Biden both love a train.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm myself not too fond of a train,

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<v Speaker 2>but there you go. Maybe that's why I'm not a politician.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that this answer, actually, when you think

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<v Speaker 2>about Daniel Andrews and his government, wasn't actually particularly surprising.

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<v Speaker 2>He's really tried to brand himself as this like infrastructure premiere.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the government's announcements over the last nearly

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<v Speaker 2>decade have been around infrastructures, so things like metro tunnels

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<v Speaker 2>to toll roads and railways. He's also known for the

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<v Speaker 2>removal of level crossings, so that's where railways cross over

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<v Speaker 2>roads and it's so funny every time I log onto

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter or x whatever we call it, it's Daniel Andrews

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<v Speaker 2>announcing a different level crossing has been removed and there's

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<v Speaker 2>like this really big reaction to it. So that was

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<v Speaker 2>a really big thing.

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<v Speaker 4>When he's not in the north Face, he's in a fluovest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, and so he's built a reputation as really

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<v Speaker 2>investing in infrastructure. But I do think that it needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be said that he's also, at the same time

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<v Speaker 2>been associated with the delays and the cost blowouts that

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<v Speaker 2>have begun to characterize some of these projects.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's talk about those costs, because there've been a source

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<v Speaker 4>of some real tension for Daniel Andrews through his time

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<v Speaker 4>as Premierhip. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Victoria is currently facing over one hundred billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in debt, and predictions show that that debt could grow

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<v Speaker 2>from one hundred and thirty five billion dollars next year

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<v Speaker 2>to one hundred and seventy one billion in the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six to twenty seven financial year. And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>putting that into real life context. We recently on the

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<v Speaker 2>pod also spoke about Victoria pulling out of the Commonwealth

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<v Speaker 2>Games and that decision was based on the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>the forecasted spending on the games actually blew out to

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<v Speaker 2>six or seven billion dollars and that was according to

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<v Speaker 2>the governments. So a lot of the commentary I imagine

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<v Speaker 2>over the next couple of weeks will include this discussion

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<v Speaker 2>about the state of Victoria's economy and the economy that

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<v Speaker 2>the Jainta Allen government will now take on.

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<v Speaker 4>So we've spoken about social policy, we've spoken about the

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<v Speaker 4>infrastructure and then the associated costs that come with all

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<v Speaker 4>of those reforms. But undoubtedly it's Daniel Andrews standing there

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<v Speaker 4>at eleven am in the north face jacket telling us

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<v Speaker 4>about COVID in Victoria that will stick in people's minds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think that Daniel Andrews and COVID

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<v Speaker 2>are almost synonymous at this stage. I think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>while every state leader was dealing with the pandemic, the

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<v Speaker 2>experience of Victorians and the experience of the Andrews led

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<v Speaker 2>Victorian government is quite unique. That's for a number of reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the fact that Melbourne experienced two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty three days in lockdown, making it the home of

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<v Speaker 2>one of the longest lockdowns in the world, and Daniel

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<v Speaker 2>Andrews said repeatedly during that time and since that time,

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<v Speaker 2>that he was implementing these measures to save lives. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the ways that this played out was when the

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<v Speaker 2>Andrews government ordered the lockdown of three thousand residents in

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<v Speaker 2>nine public housing towers in Melbourne, and the Victorian Ombudsman

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<v Speaker 2>later found that this decision was a breach of human

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<v Speaker 2>rights laws. So Andrews was clearly quite divisive during the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think what I found really interesting was what

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<v Speaker 2>happened after the pandemic, which was that there was this

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<v Speaker 2>very clear narrative on social media in mainstream media about

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<v Speaker 2>how unpopular Daniel Andrews was and how unpopular his decisions

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<v Speaker 2>had been. But then we went to an election shortly

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<v Speaker 2>after in twenty twenty two, and not only did Daniel

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<v Speaker 2>Andrews win back the premiership, he actually did it with

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<v Speaker 2>a slightly larger margin than he had won at the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen election. And I think for Andrews himself and

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<v Speaker 2>his supporters, they used that election win as evidence that

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<v Speaker 2>he had people's support, including for how Victoria handled COVID.

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<v Speaker 4>So yesterday we heard that Justinta Alan would step up

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<v Speaker 4>to replace Daniel Andrews. What do we know about her?

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<v Speaker 2>So just into Alan has long been con considered the

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<v Speaker 2>replacement for Daniel Andrews. She served as his deputy Premier

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<v Speaker 2>and after he announced his resignation she was the first

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<v Speaker 2>and for a while the only person to put up

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<v Speaker 2>her hand to contest the leadership. Alan will be the

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<v Speaker 2>second woman to become the Premier of Victoria, which she

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledged in a press conference yesterday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 3>I did hope I'd get through this with them becoming emotional.

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<v Speaker 3>I also hope it says two young women, older women,

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<v Speaker 3>women from cross different backgrounds, of all parts of the

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<v Speaker 3>stage that leadership takes on different shapes and sizes.

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<v Speaker 2>She was elected to State Parliament in nineteen ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>as the member for Bendigo East and she's very much

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<v Speaker 2>been considered a key figure of the successive Andrews governments

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<v Speaker 2>over the last nine years. During the pandemic, Allan was

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<v Speaker 2>appointed to Victoria's COVID nineteen Crisis Council and stepped up

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<v Speaker 2>as Deputy Premier last year following the resignation of James Molina.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I think it's fair to say that

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<v Speaker 2>she has nowhere near the same level of public familiarity

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<v Speaker 2>as Daniel Andrews enjoyed. But then again, neither did Daniel

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<v Speaker 2>Andrews when he became premier.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think we'd know as much about Daniel Andrews

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<v Speaker 4>on a national scale as we do now if not

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<v Speaker 4>for the pandemic?

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<v Speaker 2>No way, absolutely no. I think that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>Australians prior to the pandemic would not have been able

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<v Speaker 2>to name their state or territories leader. I say that

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<v Speaker 2>were full confidence.

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<v Speaker 4>And have you seen other state and territory leaders also

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<v Speaker 4>be kind of defined by their role in the pandemic

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<v Speaker 4>as well?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's interesting if you look across the country

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<v Speaker 2>there is now only two COVID era leaders left. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's annisagea Paliche in Queensland and Andrew Barr in

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<v Speaker 2>the Act. Everywhere else there has been either a change

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<v Speaker 2>in leadership or there has been a reshuffle among the

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<v Speaker 2>same party. We saw Mark McGowan, who also had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of pressure on him during the pandemic, resign recently.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just think that both the profile that came

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<v Speaker 2>with being a leader during that time, but also the

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<v Speaker 2>pressure that we have seen. I think resignations sped up

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that they probably wouldn't have had these

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<v Speaker 2>leaders not gone through the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 4>It certainly has been a while since we've had the

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<v Speaker 4>cadence of a daily press conference from a state or

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<v Speaker 4>territory leader.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I don't necessarily think we'll ever hopefully see

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<v Speaker 2>that again.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for listening to that episode of The Daily Oz.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're listening to this from Victoria, we'd love to

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<v Speaker 4>you can dm us if you're listening on another platform.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll be back again tomorrow morning in your ears. Until then,

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<v Speaker 4>have a great date.