1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcottin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's theirsday, 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 2: the twenty eighth of September. I'm Zara, I'm Sam. You 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: know him for his North Faced jackets and extremely long 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: COVID era press conferences, but Daniel Andrews's legacy will be 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: as one of Australia's most electorally successful yet somehow also 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: divisive premiers that the country has ever seen. In today's 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: deep Dive, we're going to look at the premiers nine 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: years in power and how Daniel Andrews will be remembered 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: and what you need to know about Victoria's incoming Premier, 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: Jainter Allen. 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: I have been elected indors unanimously by my caucus colleagues 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 3: to replace the fabulous Daniel Andrews. 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: But for SAMs more news from PwC That's Right. 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 4: An independent review into PwC Australia has found several shortcomings 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 4: across the firm's operations and culture. The review comes after 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 4: revelations some PwC leaders misused confidential government information to help 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 4: clients avoid tax. It found the professional services firm had 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 4: a disproportionate focus on revenue, a culture that restricted constructive change, 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 4: and a chief executive who had excessive power. PwC says 26 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 4: it will implement the reviews twenty three recommendations. 27 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: Quantas CEO Vanessa Hudson has defended the cost of the 28 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: National carriers airfares, saying they are standard across the market. 29 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: Hudson addressed a Senate inquiry on the airline industry just 30 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: weeks into the roles she took over from Alan Joyce. 31 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: Senators also heard from Qatar Airways representatives who said they 32 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: were surprised by a previous federal government decision to block 33 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: more catar flights from coming into Australia. 34 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 4: The Writers Guild of America has voted to end its 35 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 4: one hundred and forty eight days strike after reaching an 36 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 4: agreement with major Hollywood studios. The five hundred riders covered 37 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 4: by the union will now resume work today. However, it's 38 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 4: still uncertain when the actors' strike will end and. 39 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: The good news pharmacies in New South Wales can issue 40 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: resupplies of the oral contraceptive pill as part of a 41 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: new trial. Eligible patients can now access the pill without 42 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: another GP appointment at over nine hundred participating pharmacies. Its 43 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: hopes the trial will also ease pressures on GP services. 44 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews is one of the most electorally successful yet 45 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: polarizing leaders Australia has ever seen, but when he was 46 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: sworn in as Premier in December twenty fourteen, he was 47 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 2: considered to have defied the odds by defeating a one 48 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: term government as a relatively unknown political figure. Hard to 49 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: believe now, but up until then, the vibe around the 50 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: would be premier was that essentially no one could remember 51 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 2: if he was Daniel Andrews or Andrew Daniel, a point 52 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: of confusion that the then coalition government in Victoria actually 53 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: used to their advantage. But an effective rebranding from Labor 54 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: to just Dam and an effective election campaign helped him 55 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: to win the twenty fourteen election. 56 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 4: So this is a premier who's been in power in 57 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: the state for nine years. He's actually the longest serving 58 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 4: labor premier in Victoria's history. And when he came up 59 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 4: to the press conference this week to announce his resignation 60 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 4: to the media pack, it was clear that he wanted 61 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 4: to point to certain parts of that time in office, 62 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 4: which he says shaped his legacy. Before we get to 63 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 4: what other people think his legacy will be. What did 64 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: he say to find his time as leader? 65 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: Well, there are a few key areas that Andrews alluded 66 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: to being really proud of. You're right, he got up 67 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: and there was I think it was quite an unexpected press. 68 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 4: Conference, kind of came from nowhere. 69 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: I mean came from nowhere. In the timing of it. 70 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: It's grand final weekend in Victoria. It's like quite a 71 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: big time. But everyone that watches politics has known for 72 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: a very long time that he was going to resign sometime. 73 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I remember years ago there were already rumblings 74 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: of just intrall and replacing Daniel Andrews. 75 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 4: So would you say you were expecting it this year. 76 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was expecting it last year. But in reflecting 77 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: on his own time in power, it was really interesting 78 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: to see what Andrews himself wanted to really highlight. So 79 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: there are a couple of things. The first was that 80 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: he was proud of his government's social policies. 81 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 5: To lead the most progressive branch of Australia's oldest political 82 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 5: party for thirteen years has been an honor. 83 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: So things like Victoria's voluntary assisted dying laws, so their 84 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 2: euthanasia laws which passed in twenty seventeen. The state also 85 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: held a landmark Royal Commission into family violence, and his 86 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: government also introduced safe injecting rooms as a harm minimization 87 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: strategy for drug users in the state. And so those 88 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: were kind of the social elements that Andrews really wanted 89 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 2: to highlight over his last nine years. 90 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 4: And we spoke on the podcast last week about a 91 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 4: topic that we didn't know at the time was going 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 4: to be what Daniel Andrews described as his last big 93 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 4: piece of policy reform. 94 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. We spoke about the Victorian government's housing statement, 95 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: which we discussed as part of that Airbnb tax episode. 96 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: So it's an episode called the Beginning of the End 97 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: for Airbnb if you want to go back and listen 98 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: to that. But when it came to what Andrews said 99 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: was his defining moment during his time as premier. He 100 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: didn't actually mention housing or social reform. 101 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 5: It happened Thursday afternoon when I got on the test 102 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 5: train at Metro Tunnel with no media and I traveled 103 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 5: underneath the city at eighty kilometers an hour on a 104 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 5: train that was made right here in Victoria, through a 105 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 5: tunnel that's getting very close to being finished, all because 106 00:05:58,240 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 5: of the good work of Victorians. 107 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 2: People say that politicians aren't real people. 108 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 4: Him and Joe Biden both love a train. 109 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm myself not too fond of a train, 110 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: but there you go. Maybe that's why I'm not a politician. 111 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: But I think that this answer, actually, when you think 112 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 2: about Daniel Andrews and his government, wasn't actually particularly surprising. 113 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: He's really tried to brand himself as this like infrastructure premiere. 114 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: A lot of the government's announcements over the last nearly 115 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 2: decade have been around infrastructures, so things like metro tunnels 116 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: to toll roads and railways. He's also known for the 117 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: removal of level crossings, so that's where railways cross over 118 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: roads and it's so funny every time I log onto 119 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: Twitter or x whatever we call it, it's Daniel Andrews 120 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: announcing a different level crossing has been removed and there's 121 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: like this really big reaction to it. So that was 122 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: a really big thing. 123 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 4: When he's not in the north Face, he's in a fluovest. 124 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and so he's built a reputation as really 125 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: investing in infrastructure. But I do think that it needs 126 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: to be said that he's also, at the same time 127 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: been associated with the delays and the cost blowouts that 128 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: have begun to characterize some of these projects. 129 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 4: Let's talk about those costs, because there've been a source 130 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 4: of some real tension for Daniel Andrews through his time 131 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 4: as Premierhip. Yeah. 132 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: So Victoria is currently facing over one hundred billion dollars 133 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: in debt, and predictions show that that debt could grow 134 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: from one hundred and thirty five billion dollars next year 135 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: to one hundred and seventy one billion in the twenty 136 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: twenty six to twenty seven financial year. And I mean 137 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: putting that into real life context. We recently on the 138 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: pod also spoke about Victoria pulling out of the Commonwealth 139 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: Games and that decision was based on the fact that 140 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: the forecasted spending on the games actually blew out to 141 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: six or seven billion dollars and that was according to 142 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: the governments. So a lot of the commentary I imagine 143 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: over the next couple of weeks will include this discussion 144 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: about the state of Victoria's economy and the economy that 145 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: the Jainta Allen government will now take on. 146 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 4: So we've spoken about social policy, we've spoken about the 147 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 4: infrastructure and then the associated costs that come with all 148 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 4: of those reforms. But undoubtedly it's Daniel Andrews standing there 149 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 4: at eleven am in the north face jacket telling us 150 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 4: about COVID in Victoria that will stick in people's minds. 151 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that Daniel Andrews and COVID 152 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: are almost synonymous at this stage. I think that, you know, 153 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: while every state leader was dealing with the pandemic, the 154 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: experience of Victorians and the experience of the Andrews led 155 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: Victorian government is quite unique. That's for a number of reasons. 156 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: Of course, the fact that Melbourne experienced two hundred and 157 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: sixty three days in lockdown, making it the home of 158 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: one of the longest lockdowns in the world, and Daniel 159 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: Andrews said repeatedly during that time and since that time, 160 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 2: that he was implementing these measures to save lives. One 161 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: of the ways that this played out was when the 162 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: Andrews government ordered the lockdown of three thousand residents in 163 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: nine public housing towers in Melbourne, and the Victorian Ombudsman 164 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: later found that this decision was a breach of human 165 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: rights laws. So Andrews was clearly quite divisive during the pandemic. 166 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: But I think what I found really interesting was what 167 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: happened after the pandemic, which was that there was this 168 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: very clear narrative on social media in mainstream media about 169 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 2: how unpopular Daniel Andrews was and how unpopular his decisions 170 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: had been. But then we went to an election shortly 171 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 2: after in twenty twenty two, and not only did Daniel 172 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: Andrews win back the premiership, he actually did it with 173 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: a slightly larger margin than he had won at the 174 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen election. And I think for Andrews himself and 175 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: his supporters, they used that election win as evidence that 176 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: he had people's support, including for how Victoria handled COVID. 177 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 4: So yesterday we heard that Justinta Alan would step up 178 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 4: to replace Daniel Andrews. What do we know about her? 179 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: So just into Alan has long been con considered the 180 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: replacement for Daniel Andrews. She served as his deputy Premier 181 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 2: and after he announced his resignation she was the first 182 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: and for a while the only person to put up 183 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: her hand to contest the leadership. Alan will be the 184 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: second woman to become the Premier of Victoria, which she 185 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 2: acknowledged in a press conference yesterday afternoon. 186 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: I did hope I'd get through this with them becoming emotional. 187 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 3: I also hope it says two young women, older women, 188 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: women from cross different backgrounds, of all parts of the 189 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 3: stage that leadership takes on different shapes and sizes. 190 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: She was elected to State Parliament in nineteen ninety nine 191 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: as the member for Bendigo East and she's very much 192 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: been considered a key figure of the successive Andrews governments 193 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 2: over the last nine years. During the pandemic, Allan was 194 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: appointed to Victoria's COVID nineteen Crisis Council and stepped up 195 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: as Deputy Premier last year following the resignation of James Molina. 196 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: But I mean, I think it's fair to say that 197 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: she has nowhere near the same level of public familiarity 198 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: as Daniel Andrews enjoyed. But then again, neither did Daniel 199 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: Andrews when he became premier. 200 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 4: Do you think we'd know as much about Daniel Andrews 201 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 4: on a national scale as we do now if not 202 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 4: for the pandemic? 203 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: No way, absolutely no. I think that a lot of 204 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: Australians prior to the pandemic would not have been able 205 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: to name their state or territories leader. I say that 206 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: were full confidence. 207 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: And have you seen other state and territory leaders also 208 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 4: be kind of defined by their role in the pandemic 209 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 4: as well? 210 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 5: Well? 211 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 2: I think it's interesting if you look across the country 212 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: there is now only two COVID era leaders left. Well, 213 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: so there's annisagea Paliche in Queensland and Andrew Barr in 214 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 2: the Act. Everywhere else there has been either a change 215 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: in leadership or there has been a reshuffle among the 216 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: same party. We saw Mark McGowan, who also had a 217 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 2: lot of pressure on him during the pandemic, resign recently. 218 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: And I just think that both the profile that came 219 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 2: with being a leader during that time, but also the 220 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: pressure that we have seen. I think resignations sped up 221 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: in a way that they probably wouldn't have had these 222 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: leaders not gone through the pandemic. 223 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 4: It certainly has been a while since we've had the 224 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 4: cadence of a daily press conference from a state or 225 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 4: territory leader. 226 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't necessarily think we'll ever hopefully see 227 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: that again. 228 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to that episode of The Daily Oz. 229 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 4: If you're listening to this from Victoria, we'd love to 230 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: know your thoughts on Daniel Andrews as a leader. You 231 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 4: can leave a comment if you're listening on Spotify, or 232 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 4: you can dm us if you're listening on another platform. 233 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 4: We'll be back again tomorrow morning in your ears. Until then, 234 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 4: have a great date.