WEBVTT - MANAAKI - THE TRAITORS 

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload the podcast last week.

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<v Speaker 2>That Life Yeaday. Guys, welcome back to TV Reload. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Benjamin Norris, and today we are unpacking another

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<v Speaker 2>huge exit from the Traders Australia. Now I have to

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<v Speaker 2>admit something about today's guest. When I first heard Monarchy

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<v Speaker 2>from Ozzie Shaw was joining the cast, I thought I

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<v Speaker 2>knew exactly what we were going to get. Chaos parties,

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<v Speaker 2>a big personality, probably a few arguments. What I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>expecting was MONARCHI to walk into this game and prove

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<v Speaker 2>himself to be one of the most switched on faithfuls

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<v Speaker 2>in the castle, because underneath the big mouth and all

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<v Speaker 2>that Ossie Shaw energy was someone who was actually watching

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<v Speaker 2>people incredibly close, and as we now know, he was

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<v Speaker 2>starting to put some very important pieces together. MONARCHI had

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<v Speaker 2>Alvin Firmley in his sights, he didn't trust Kirby, and

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<v Speaker 2>had he survived the murder, he was preparing to bring

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<v Speaker 2>his evidence to the next round table, which suddenly makes

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<v Speaker 2>his elimination make a whole lot more sense. Today, MONARCHI

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<v Speaker 2>and I will unpack whether his big mouth ultimately got

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<v Speaker 2>him murdered, what really happened with his explosive clash with Kiara,

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<v Speaker 2>why he thinks some of the other Faithfuls are allowing

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<v Speaker 2>Dicko to dictate the game, and just how close he

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<v Speaker 2>believes he was to exposing the Traders. We also talk

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<v Speaker 2>about him being underestimated because of Ozzie's Shaw, whether he

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<v Speaker 2>could have survived as a Trader himself, his friendship with

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<v Speaker 2>Lexi and her legendary big brother Dad Paul, who you

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<v Speaker 2>might remember from Big Brother two thousand and four, and

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<v Speaker 2>he still gives us a little tease about what we

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<v Speaker 2>can expect from the next season of Ozzie Shaw, including

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<v Speaker 2>a very different energy of a new house boss Tammy

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<v Speaker 2>hambro I genuinely think that Monarchy surprised a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people on the Traders, including myself, and I think after

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation you'll understand why losing him this early may

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<v Speaker 2>have been a very smart move for the Traders. So, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get into this. This is MONARCHI from The Traders

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<v Speaker 2>Australia on TV reload Monarchy.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good? Did you get to keep the Traders? What

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<v Speaker 2>looks like maybe pajamas slash Shooty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was like, I was like, I need a

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<v Speaker 1>pajama sy it's cold and mountain todays. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just stuck on the hoodie and just happened to

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<v Speaker 1>be a whole Traders and the Traders inspired moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just start off by saying, so with you

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<v Speaker 2>on this show, I heard about the casting and I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that you would be someone. I don't know, this

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like really rude, but I didn't even consider you

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<v Speaker 2>to be a substantial player, and you've shocked me because

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<v Speaker 2>you're actually very smart and very good at reading people.

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<v Speaker 1>I think like it was I was hoping that I'd

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<v Speaker 1>go in and people would underestimate me. I am like

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<v Speaker 1>young damn Dizzy come from a show like Czie Show.

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<v Speaker 1>We all we drink is through his drinking party. But

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to think, you know, I'm pretty switched

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<v Speaker 1>on and I can read people pretty well. I think

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<v Speaker 1>when you're in so many different social situations, you can

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<v Speaker 1>start to like pick up on different ways that people act.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I use that in this game.

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<v Speaker 2>You kind of have a big mouth, and we know

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<v Speaker 2>this from Ossie Shaw. Ways wait, but in this game,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like your big mouth kind of sabotaged you

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit because I feel like, in some ways,

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<v Speaker 2>if you'd pull whack a little bit, you could have really.

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<v Speaker 1>Month this show. Yeah, I think like if I didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>There's the thing is, I don't know anything else apart

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<v Speaker 1>from being being a big mouth. I think I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>logical and when something comes up, whether it's and I

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<v Speaker 1>was just sure and something like the Traders, I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>the first to call it out and you would have

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<v Speaker 1>seen it obviously with Kira, you would have seen it

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<v Speaker 1>at the round table. When I think that I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of evidence, I would just say it. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I could have waited, but I know that with myself

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<v Speaker 1>that if I came in my South in chaotic, in

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<v Speaker 1>my big mouth, it didn't matter if I was murdered

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<v Speaker 1>day one or day twelve, I would have left still

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<v Speaker 1>being me. And I think that's what I'm pretty happy with.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I showcased that, and I showed that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm not just a pretty face.

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<v Speaker 2>Jiara is an interesting person for us to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>because you clashed with her, and so has everyone she's

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<v Speaker 2>basically ever met. But great television. Love you. But I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to know, did you think in real time

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<v Speaker 2>that this is going to be a big storyline and

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<v Speaker 2>how do you feel about it now?

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I didn't think I even just when I called

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<v Speaker 1>her out on it, like I was just bringing up

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of evidence. And I think when you have

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<v Speaker 1>two big personalities and you're calling someone out, someone's going

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<v Speaker 1>to go on the defense and then they're just going

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<v Speaker 1>to brood and go up. I didn't even realize it

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<v Speaker 1>was that much of a problem, even you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>the breakfast table like you would have seen. I was

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<v Speaker 1>just like, oh my god, you look pretty mind in

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<v Speaker 1>my own business and like sideswipe from Kira. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think it was going to be a big

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<v Speaker 1>storyline at all. But everyone was thinking that it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be like an Alex Kier feud, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, it's Kira and Monarky.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people say that, you know, Kira understands the assignment

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<v Speaker 2>with reality TV and that she turns it up. But

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<v Speaker 2>I've met her a number of times, and whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>at a movie premiere, whether it's at a bar, she

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<v Speaker 2>manages to create drama like that just naturally. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>a part of who she is, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I think like, if she owns them, that's why she's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously done so many shows and just kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>own who she is the person. And I think like

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<v Speaker 1>we all like that, Like I'm a very confrontational person,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also like being confrontational but also like being respectful.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that that's what I do in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of my situations is I always bring evidence, always

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<v Speaker 1>bring logic, and I might start the drama, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>usually for a good reason.

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<v Speaker 2>The Alvin situation, so you basically were onto Alvin is

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<v Speaker 2>what we now know. Your next moves were to basically

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<v Speaker 2>uner with him. What was going to happen in regards

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<v Speaker 2>to that? So why did you think he was a trader?

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<v Speaker 2>And then what we're going to do to unmask him?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well at that point, we're just on that challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>And from that challenge, his group was the only group

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<v Speaker 1>that got the questions right. There was also a question

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<v Speaker 1>that was like who's the most trust within Everyone in

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<v Speaker 1>the house was like, oh my gosh, we trust you

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<v Speaker 1>Alvin because you're so cute and sweet. But for some

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<v Speaker 1>weird reason, the answer was Josh, which everyone was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what he knew? It? The Keyra situation. When Shane got eliminated,

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<v Speaker 1>he started crying, but he wrote Shane's name down, and

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<v Speaker 1>like all of those together, it was just enough evidence

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<v Speaker 1>for me, Like considering there wasn't much evidence to go

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<v Speaker 1>on that it would be Alvin, and obviously it was,

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<v Speaker 1>and so going into the next round table, I would

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<v Speaker 1>have just brought all that evidence out and considering no

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<v Speaker 1>one had any other evidence apart from this, like Kirby

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed me, I grabbed a queen or whatever or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the whole situation was, that would have been, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>probably the most paramount evidence that would have hopefully gotten murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting that a lot of people like Kirby's getting

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of heat for a trader, like she's clearly

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<v Speaker 2>going to get eliminated soon, because I've never seen so

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<v Speaker 2>much heat on a trader before in my life. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you suspect Kirby as a trader?

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<v Speaker 1>She was obviously in those sets and stuff, So I

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<v Speaker 1>had a little bit of a suspicion of her and

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<v Speaker 1>as well. That's why we avoided each other quite a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>because I didn't trust her. I think, like I knew

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<v Speaker 1>she was switched on, and I think she knew I

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<v Speaker 1>was switched on, So I'm like, this is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to go well. And if I had, you know, talked

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<v Speaker 1>to Henry and I was coming in that day to

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<v Speaker 1>actually become really close with Henry, we probably would have

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<v Speaker 1>taken her out at that next round table or the

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<v Speaker 1>one after that that you know, would whether it be

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<v Speaker 1>Alvin or her, because I didn't know about the queen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, jacket touch and she in this last episode

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<v Speaker 1>said that I was the one who told her she's live.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you know why she did that. You're not there

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<v Speaker 2>to defend yourself. So she's jumping in to be can

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<v Speaker 2>I shift to blame on that cannot speak back? I

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<v Speaker 2>know someone who's dead.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I do this a snepegoat. But I'm also like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the thing is that the faith was I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>why did no one picked it up? Thing like obviously

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<v Speaker 1>you would say the dead person, and like how would

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<v Speaker 1>monarchy know it? Because in like there would have been

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<v Speaker 1>like who would have told him because he was in

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<v Speaker 1>the room. But when you're in that moment, you're obviously

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are playing their own game. Were

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<v Speaker 1>also well at the moment of playing Dicko's game without

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<v Speaker 1>how they're voting. So you know, hopefully we have a

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<v Speaker 1>few more free thinkers in the group.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I want to bring up someone who's not traitor related,

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<v Speaker 2>but my favorite reality TV contestant ever in Australia is

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<v Speaker 2>Lexi's father, Paul. Yeah no, have you ever watched Paul

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<v Speaker 2>on his seat in a Big Brother? And has he

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<v Speaker 2>ever mentored you with your reality TV gameplay?

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<v Speaker 1>But are you's showing me some clips? And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I want to be taking advice from Paul the eye.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a very confidational person and like I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>why like me and Lexi, like we lived together, we're

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<v Speaker 1>really good mates. So I think, like he's so rogue

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<v Speaker 1>and he just says what he says. And there's probably

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<v Speaker 1>one takeaway that I would He's always like, just go

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<v Speaker 1>on TV and pee yourself. If you're going to start drama,

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<v Speaker 1>just make sure that yeah, you don't mess, which is

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<v Speaker 1>probably you know, his whole thing of what he the

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<v Speaker 1>career that he's built in reality TV.

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<v Speaker 2>When they said Traders was coming out, I rang Paul

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<v Speaker 2>and was like, this show is made for you, Like honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>you should be on this series. And I didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>know you were doing it, even though I knew of

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<v Speaker 2>your connection, and I was like, Merlin needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>in there. Actually, I just realized I sound like so old.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you even know who Merlin and Paul? Do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you understand that drama?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I've watch a little like bits and pieces of

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<v Speaker 1>had season with that because he's been posting like stuff upah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, you, I see where your daughter gets

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<v Speaker 1>it from. I remember watching that and I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>see where should gets her opinionatedness from? Because like he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's just he doesn't care. He's like, I'll say it like,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's exactly how Les is as well. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>mena as that's good mates.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the apple never falls far from the tree. Now, Ossie,

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<v Speaker 2>sure you've got a series of this in the bag.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously you said to people, you know watching the Traders,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to wait too long to see me

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<v Speaker 2>and something else on television. What can you tell me

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<v Speaker 2>about season three? I want to know. I'm obsessed with

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, Oh, it's just going to be hipped

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<v Speaker 1>that it's you know, as has been said, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>filmed up on Gold Coast. Yeah, it's just going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a fun vibe, a lot more chaotic as we

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<v Speaker 1>are in the Aussie shore house and we've got a

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<v Speaker 1>new house boss as well. But gata that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have Charlotte anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>You're throwing a Tammy hembrow. Are you saying that Tammy

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<v Speaker 2>Hembro is not as good as as Charlotte? What are

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<v Speaker 2>you telling me?

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely not so Tammy was great, just like just a

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<v Speaker 1>different vibe. I think Tammy was a lot more like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot more like motherly and a bit more like,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh she came in the spots opportunity, whereas Darala, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like she's having us work drinks with us

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<v Speaker 1>and when she did a few times, so like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's she's a great she's a great party personality.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, before you go, the last question ask someone is

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<v Speaker 2>beers everyone of this is episode six hundred and six,

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<v Speaker 2>So I always ask people are behind the scenes question.

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<v Speaker 2>My behind the scenes question for you is how would

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<v Speaker 2>you have gone on this game on the Traders if

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<v Speaker 2>you were a trader? Like, how would that have looked?

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<v Speaker 2>For us?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely the same, just chaos, like I just would kind

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<v Speaker 1>of go and just do my own thing. I think

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<v Speaker 1>like my big mouth would have gotten me in trouble

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<v Speaker 1>at some point. And I can't lie. I'm a big

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<v Speaker 1>person on not lying and just saying how the facts are,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know that I would get caught in my

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<v Speaker 1>own little loop even though I would love to be

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<v Speaker 1>a trader, and I think I would have just been

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<v Speaker 1>choosing a lot of people that you wouldn't expect. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I said it in one of my main interviews,

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<v Speaker 1>was like I would be befriending someone and then getting

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<v Speaker 1>rid of them the next day, because then I'd be like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it won't be me. Someone's sitting me up, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would be taking out Shane like I love it, but

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<v Speaker 1>like I would be going cut throat and that's how

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<v Speaker 1>I am. So I would be like by Shane, by

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<v Speaker 1>this person.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, why you actually this is something I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>plan to ask you. But why you out of Ossie Shaw?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think you got picked for traders above?

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone else is under this looking Oh my god, the

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<v Speaker 2>youth of today, they're not not uncomfident.

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<v Speaker 1>I think with all of us as like even everyone

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<v Speaker 1>in the and our show knows. I'm very much switched on,

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<v Speaker 1>and when I have arguments, I'm always logical and always

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<v Speaker 1>like thinking what's the what what plays can I do?

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever I'm in an argument. So, like, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>I told everyone I was on Traders, They're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we see that for you. Where is everyone else?

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<v Speaker 2>Anyone else from Ossie Shaw? Potentially did they ask anyone?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know if anyone else saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I've told them like you ay should go on?

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<v Speaker 1>They're like nah, like they couldn't do the gameplay And

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<v Speaker 1>I would probably agree with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Mate. Can I just say absolutely blown out of the

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<v Speaker 2>water with your with your time on the show, your

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<v Speaker 2>contribution was fantastic. You carried your back must be saw

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<v Speaker 2>you carried episode one and two. I think in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of ways, and I read the comments online, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people felt like that, congratulations. Lovely to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you and just enjoy being a part of the

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<v Speaker 2>Traders universe. It's globally recognized and being you know, very

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<v Speaker 2>much celebrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.