Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week.
Speaker 2: That Life Yeaday. Guys, welcome back to TV Reload. My
Speaker 2: name is Benjamin Norris, and today we are unpacking another
Speaker 2: huge exit from the Traders Australia. Now I have to
Speaker 2: admit something about today's guest. When I first heard Monarchy
Speaker 2: from Ozzie Shaw was joining the cast, I thought I
Speaker 2: knew exactly what we were going to get. Chaos parties,
Speaker 2: a big personality, probably a few arguments. What I wasn't
Speaker 2: expecting was MONARCHI to walk into this game and prove
Speaker 2: himself to be one of the most switched on faithfuls
Speaker 2: in the castle, because underneath the big mouth and all
Speaker 2: that Ossie Shaw energy was someone who was actually watching
Speaker 2: people incredibly close, and as we now know, he was
Speaker 2: starting to put some very important pieces together. MONARCHI had
Speaker 2: Alvin Firmley in his sights, he didn't trust Kirby, and
Speaker 2: had he survived the murder, he was preparing to bring
Speaker 2: his evidence to the next round table, which suddenly makes
Speaker 2: his elimination make a whole lot more sense. Today, MONARCHI
Speaker 2: and I will unpack whether his big mouth ultimately got
Speaker 2: him murdered, what really happened with his explosive clash with Kiara,
Speaker 2: why he thinks some of the other Faithfuls are allowing
Speaker 2: Dicko to dictate the game, and just how close he
Speaker 2: believes he was to exposing the Traders. We also talk
Speaker 2: about him being underestimated because of Ozzie's Shaw, whether he
Speaker 2: could have survived as a Trader himself, his friendship with
Speaker 2: Lexi and her legendary big brother Dad Paul, who you
Speaker 2: might remember from Big Brother two thousand and four, and
Speaker 2: he still gives us a little tease about what we
Speaker 2: can expect from the next season of Ozzie Shaw, including
Speaker 2: a very different energy of a new house boss Tammy
Speaker 2: hambro I genuinely think that Monarchy surprised a lot of
Speaker 2: people on the Traders, including myself, and I think after
Speaker 2: this conversation you'll understand why losing him this early may
Speaker 2: have been a very smart move for the Traders. So, guys,
Speaker 2: let's get into this. This is MONARCHI from The Traders
Speaker 2: Australia on TV reload Monarchy.
Speaker 1: Hello, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good? Did you get to keep the Traders? What
Speaker 2: looks like maybe pajamas slash Shooty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, I was like, I need a
Speaker 1: pajama sy it's cold and mountain todays. I was like,
Speaker 1: I just stuck on the hoodie and just happened to
Speaker 1: be a whole Traders and the Traders inspired moment.
Speaker 2: Can I just start off by saying, so with you
Speaker 2: on this show, I heard about the casting and I
Speaker 2: thought that you would be someone. I don't know, this
Speaker 2: sounds like really rude, but I didn't even consider you
Speaker 2: to be a substantial player, and you've shocked me because
Speaker 2: you're actually very smart and very good at reading people.
Speaker 1: I think like it was I was hoping that I'd
Speaker 1: go in and people would underestimate me. I am like
Speaker 1: young damn Dizzy come from a show like Czie Show.
Speaker 1: We all we drink is through his drinking party. But
Speaker 1: I would like to think, you know, I'm pretty switched
Speaker 1: on and I can read people pretty well. I think
Speaker 1: when you're in so many different social situations, you can
Speaker 1: start to like pick up on different ways that people act.
Speaker 1: And I think I use that in this game.
Speaker 2: You kind of have a big mouth, and we know
Speaker 2: this from Ossie Shaw. Ways wait, but in this game,
Speaker 2: I feel like your big mouth kind of sabotaged you
Speaker 2: a little bit because I feel like, in some ways,
Speaker 2: if you'd pull whack a little bit, you could have really.
Speaker 1: Month this show. Yeah, I think like if I didn't,
Speaker 1: There's the thing is, I don't know anything else apart
Speaker 1: from being being a big mouth. I think I'm very
Speaker 1: logical and when something comes up, whether it's and I
Speaker 1: was just sure and something like the Traders, I'll be
Speaker 1: the first to call it out and you would have
Speaker 1: seen it obviously with Kira, you would have seen it
Speaker 1: at the round table. When I think that I've got
Speaker 1: a piece of evidence, I would just say it. Maybe
Speaker 1: I could have waited, but I know that with myself
Speaker 1: that if I came in my South in chaotic, in
Speaker 1: my big mouth, it didn't matter if I was murdered
Speaker 1: day one or day twelve, I would have left still
Speaker 1: being me. And I think that's what I'm pretty happy with.
Speaker 1: And you know, I showcased that, and I showed that
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not just a pretty face.
Speaker 2: Jiara is an interesting person for us to talk about
Speaker 2: because you clashed with her, and so has everyone she's
Speaker 2: basically ever met. But great television. Love you. But I
Speaker 2: just want to know, did you think in real time
Speaker 2: that this is going to be a big storyline and
Speaker 2: how do you feel about it now?
Speaker 1: Look, I didn't think I even just when I called
Speaker 1: her out on it, like I was just bringing up
Speaker 1: a piece of evidence. And I think when you have
Speaker 1: two big personalities and you're calling someone out, someone's going
Speaker 1: to go on the defense and then they're just going
Speaker 1: to brood and go up. I didn't even realize it
Speaker 1: was that much of a problem, even you know, at
Speaker 1: the breakfast table like you would have seen. I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, you look pretty mind in
Speaker 1: my own business and like sideswipe from Kira. So you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was going to be a big
Speaker 1: storyline at all. But everyone was thinking that it was
Speaker 1: going to be like an Alex Kier feud, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's Kira and Monarky.
Speaker 2: Some people say that, you know, Kira understands the assignment
Speaker 2: with reality TV and that she turns it up. But
Speaker 2: I've met her a number of times, and whether it's
Speaker 2: at a movie premiere, whether it's at a bar, she
Speaker 2: manages to create drama like that just naturally. It's just
Speaker 2: a part of who she is, and.
Speaker 1: I think like, if she owns them, that's why she's
Speaker 1: obviously done so many shows and just kind of like
Speaker 1: own who she is the person. And I think like
Speaker 1: we all like that, Like I'm a very confrontational person,
Speaker 1: but it's also like being confrontational but also like being respectful.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's what I do in a
Speaker 1: lot of my situations is I always bring evidence, always
Speaker 1: bring logic, and I might start the drama, but it's
Speaker 1: usually for a good reason.
Speaker 2: The Alvin situation, so you basically were onto Alvin is
Speaker 2: what we now know. Your next moves were to basically
Speaker 2: uner with him. What was going to happen in regards
Speaker 2: to that? So why did you think he was a trader?
Speaker 2: And then what we're going to do to unmask him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well at that point, we're just on that challenge.
Speaker 1: And from that challenge, his group was the only group
Speaker 1: that got the questions right. There was also a question
Speaker 1: that was like who's the most trust within Everyone in
Speaker 1: the house was like, oh my gosh, we trust you
Speaker 1: Alvin because you're so cute and sweet. But for some
Speaker 1: weird reason, the answer was Josh, which everyone was like,
Speaker 1: what he knew? It? The Keyra situation. When Shane got eliminated,
Speaker 1: he started crying, but he wrote Shane's name down, and
Speaker 1: like all of those together, it was just enough evidence
Speaker 1: for me, Like considering there wasn't much evidence to go
Speaker 1: on that it would be Alvin, and obviously it was,
Speaker 1: and so going into the next round table, I would
Speaker 1: have just brought all that evidence out and considering no
Speaker 1: one had any other evidence apart from this, like Kirby
Speaker 1: grabbed me, I grabbed a queen or whatever or whatever
Speaker 1: the whole situation was, that would have been, like you know,
Speaker 1: probably the most paramount evidence that would have hopefully gotten murdered.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that a lot of people like Kirby's getting
Speaker 2: a lot of heat for a trader, like she's clearly
Speaker 2: going to get eliminated soon, because I've never seen so
Speaker 2: much heat on a trader before in my life. Do
Speaker 2: you suspect Kirby as a trader?
Speaker 1: She was obviously in those sets and stuff, So I
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a suspicion of her and
Speaker 1: as well. That's why we avoided each other quite a lot,
Speaker 1: because I didn't trust her. I think, like I knew
Speaker 1: she was switched on, and I think she knew I
Speaker 1: was switched on, So I'm like, this is not going
Speaker 1: to go well. And if I had, you know, talked
Speaker 1: to Henry and I was coming in that day to
Speaker 1: actually become really close with Henry, we probably would have
Speaker 1: taken her out at that next round table or the
Speaker 1: one after that that you know, would whether it be
Speaker 1: Alvin or her, because I didn't know about the queen,
Speaker 1: you know, jacket touch and she in this last episode
Speaker 1: said that I was the one who told her she's live.
Speaker 1: I did not say that.
Speaker 2: Well you know why she did that. You're not there
Speaker 2: to defend yourself. So she's jumping in to be can
Speaker 2: I shift to blame on that cannot speak back? I
Speaker 2: know someone who's dead.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I do this a snepegoat. But I'm also like,
Speaker 1: this is the thing is that the faith was I'm like,
Speaker 1: why did no one picked it up? Thing like obviously
Speaker 1: you would say the dead person, and like how would
Speaker 1: monarchy know it? Because in like there would have been
Speaker 1: like who would have told him because he was in
Speaker 1: the room. But when you're in that moment, you're obviously
Speaker 1: a lot of people are playing their own game. Were
Speaker 1: also well at the moment of playing Dicko's game without
Speaker 1: how they're voting. So you know, hopefully we have a
Speaker 1: few more free thinkers in the group.
Speaker 2: Now. I want to bring up someone who's not traitor related,
Speaker 2: but my favorite reality TV contestant ever in Australia is
Speaker 2: Lexi's father, Paul. Yeah no, have you ever watched Paul
Speaker 2: on his seat in a Big Brother? And has he
Speaker 2: ever mentored you with your reality TV gameplay?
Speaker 1: But are you's showing me some clips? And I don't
Speaker 1: think I want to be taking advice from Paul the eye.
Speaker 1: He's a very confidational person and like I think that's
Speaker 1: why like me and Lexi, like we lived together, we're
Speaker 1: really good mates. So I think, like he's so rogue
Speaker 1: and he just says what he says. And there's probably
Speaker 1: one takeaway that I would He's always like, just go
Speaker 1: on TV and pee yourself. If you're going to start drama,
Speaker 1: just make sure that yeah, you don't mess, which is
Speaker 1: probably you know, his whole thing of what he the
Speaker 1: career that he's built in reality TV.
Speaker 2: When they said Traders was coming out, I rang Paul
Speaker 2: and was like, this show is made for you, Like honestly,
Speaker 2: you should be on this series. And I didn't even
Speaker 2: know you were doing it, even though I knew of
Speaker 2: your connection, and I was like, Merlin needs to be
Speaker 2: in there. Actually, I just realized I sound like so old.
Speaker 2: Do you even know who Merlin and Paul? Do you know?
Speaker 2: Do you understand that drama?
Speaker 1: No? I've watch a little like bits and pieces of
Speaker 1: had season with that because he's been posting like stuff upah,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you, I see where your daughter gets
Speaker 1: it from. I remember watching that and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: see where should gets her opinionatedness from? Because like he's
Speaker 1: he's just he doesn't care. He's like, I'll say it like,
Speaker 1: and that's exactly how Les is as well. It's like
Speaker 1: mena as that's good mates.
Speaker 2: Well, the apple never falls far from the tree. Now, Ossie,
Speaker 2: sure you've got a series of this in the bag.
Speaker 2: And obviously you said to people, you know watching the Traders,
Speaker 2: you don't have to wait too long to see me
Speaker 2: and something else on television. What can you tell me
Speaker 2: about season three? I want to know. I'm obsessed with
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: By the way, Oh, it's just going to be hipped
Speaker 1: that it's you know, as has been said, it's been
Speaker 1: filmed up on Gold Coast. Yeah, it's just going to
Speaker 1: be a fun vibe, a lot more chaotic as we
Speaker 1: are in the Aussie shore house and we've got a
Speaker 1: new house boss as well. But gata that we don't
Speaker 1: have Charlotte anymore.
Speaker 2: You're throwing a Tammy hembrow. Are you saying that Tammy
Speaker 2: Hembro is not as good as as Charlotte? What are
Speaker 2: you telling me?
Speaker 1: Definitely not so Tammy was great, just like just a
Speaker 1: different vibe. I think Tammy was a lot more like
Speaker 1: it's a lot more like motherly and a bit more like,
Speaker 1: Oh she came in the spots opportunity, whereas Darala, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel like she's having us work drinks with us
Speaker 1: and when she did a few times, so like, you know,
Speaker 1: she's she's a great she's a great party personality.
Speaker 2: Well, before you go, the last question ask someone is
Speaker 2: beers everyone of this is episode six hundred and six,
Speaker 2: So I always ask people are behind the scenes question.
Speaker 2: My behind the scenes question for you is how would
Speaker 2: you have gone on this game on the Traders if
Speaker 2: you were a trader? Like, how would that have looked?
Speaker 2: For us?
Speaker 1: Absolutely the same, just chaos, like I just would kind
Speaker 1: of go and just do my own thing. I think
Speaker 1: like my big mouth would have gotten me in trouble
Speaker 1: at some point. And I can't lie. I'm a big
Speaker 1: person on not lying and just saying how the facts are,
Speaker 1: and I know that I would get caught in my
Speaker 1: own little loop even though I would love to be
Speaker 1: a trader, and I think I would have just been
Speaker 1: choosing a lot of people that you wouldn't expect. I
Speaker 1: think I said it in one of my main interviews,
Speaker 1: was like I would be befriending someone and then getting
Speaker 1: rid of them the next day, because then I'd be like, no,
Speaker 1: it won't be me. Someone's sitting me up, and I
Speaker 1: would be taking out Shane like I love it, but
Speaker 1: like I would be going cut throat and that's how
Speaker 1: I am. So I would be like by Shane, by
Speaker 1: this person.
Speaker 2: But yeah, why you actually this is something I didn't
Speaker 2: plan to ask you. But why you out of Ossie Shaw?
Speaker 2: Why do you think you got picked for traders above?
Speaker 2: Everyone else is under this looking Oh my god, the
Speaker 2: youth of today, they're not not uncomfident.
Speaker 1: I think with all of us as like even everyone
Speaker 1: in the and our show knows. I'm very much switched on,
Speaker 1: and when I have arguments, I'm always logical and always
Speaker 1: like thinking what's the what what plays can I do?
Speaker 1: Whenever I'm in an argument. So, like, you know, when
Speaker 1: I told everyone I was on Traders, They're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we see that for you. Where is everyone else?
Speaker 2: Anyone else from Ossie Shaw? Potentially did they ask anyone?
Speaker 2: Do you know if anyone else saw.
Speaker 1: Do I've told them like you ay should go on?
Speaker 1: They're like nah, like they couldn't do the gameplay And
Speaker 1: I would probably agree with them.
Speaker 2: Mate. Can I just say absolutely blown out of the
Speaker 2: water with your with your time on the show, your
Speaker 2: contribution was fantastic. You carried your back must be saw
Speaker 2: you carried episode one and two. I think in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways, and I read the comments online, a
Speaker 2: lot of people felt like that, congratulations. Lovely to talk
Speaker 2: to you and just enjoy being a part of the
Speaker 2: Traders universe. It's globally recognized and being you know, very
Speaker 2: much celebrated.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.