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Speaker 2: Well looks you.

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Speaker 1: Want to make a good a good fist of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, that is one of Australia's most iconic songs. Twenty

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Speaker 2: five years since Natalie Breulia released torn on her album

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Speaker 2: Left to the Middle. Yes, Left of the Middle sold

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Speaker 3: Hello, Yes, isn't that cool. I've never hosted before. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what they were thinking, but I'm very excited.

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Speaker 2: Are you relaxed about that kind of thing? Do you

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Speaker 3: A bit of tightening in that area. Yeah. Look, I'm

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Speaker 1: But you're an actor. Actors are great at this stuff

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Speaker 2: That's a different skill to being yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a bit of acting. Though with hosting,

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Speaker 3: I think there's skills that you learn in acting come

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Speaker 3: So this is the neighbors training will come in. I'll

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm it's going to be amazing when we

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Speaker 3: It feels like a lifetime ago. So much has happened.

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Speaker 2: And created what broke it?

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Speaker 1: Know the music business is tough. Whatever turning tricks in.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people didn't know that, but originally done

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Speaker 3: All that who ha was to me. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: Did you in any way play the song play Torn

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're hysterical. Do you know what I

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Speaker 2: So we can cross torn off the list of birth songs.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it on my base and rumors as

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Speaker 3: I love it. This just wouldn't happen in the UK.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm a bit of an isolate. I think

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Speaker 2: Bring the Hermit.

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Speaker 1: Amanda's into bread. But when we talk bread, we talk

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Speaker 2: Come on, I did find a diary beneath the tree.

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Speaker 1: As you know, it's always great to talk to you. Natalie.

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Speaker 1: The twenty fifth anniversary of Left of the Middle of

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Speaker 1: the debut album and vinyl. It's on vinyl. How good

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Speaker 1: You can get it out now do yourself off yl?

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Speaker 3: Especially edition blue vinyl. Wow, I'm just going.

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Speaker 3: But I just recently got one. They're great, They're fantastic

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Speaker 3: vinyl now. But a different experience. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Remember seventy six.

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Speaker 2: Compilation album and had a picture on the front of

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Speaker 1: And then there was rip Snorter and it just had

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Speaker 1: each year you'd have the so you would have been torn,

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Speaker 3: Okay, you got the compilations, yeah, yeah, God remember mixtapes, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Great to see you, thankful to see what