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Speaker 1: Earlier in the week, the Prime Minister announced that polling

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Speaker 1: day for the Indigenous Voice to Parliament referendum is going

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Speaker 1: to happen on October fourteen. Anthony Albertezi revealed the date

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Speaker 1: of the long mooted referendum in Adelaide. He came out

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Speaker 1: As we know it could play a pivotal role in

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Speaker 1: the vote count. The question for the referendum is going

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Speaker 1: to be a proposed law to alter the Constitution to

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Speaker 1: recognize the first peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: and Torres Strait Islander voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?

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Speaker 1: That is going to be the question now. I know

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Speaker 1: that there are still plenty of people who are undecided

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Speaker 1: as to whether they are going to vote yes or no.

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Speaker 1: And we thought to ourselves here on three point sixty

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Speaker 1: do you know what we want to speak to some

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Speaker 1: people who well, to some locals that we do highly

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Speaker 1: respect and their opinions we value. And joining me on

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Speaker 1: the line right now is Larakia Elder. He's also Darwin

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Speaker 1: Waterfront Corporation chairman and he's got an Honorary Doctorate of

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Speaker 1: Flinders University. He also does some of the best welcome

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Speaker 1: to countries you've ever seen. His name is Richard b Jo.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Richard, Hey, good morning. How are you yeah?

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Speaker 1: Really good? Thank you so much for your time this morning. Now, firstly,

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Speaker 1: what does the voice mean to you?

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Speaker 2: Progression? It's as simple as that. For me, it's a

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Speaker 2: way forward. I know that there's people out there that

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Speaker 2: will vote. No, I'm not telling people how to vote.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that people educate your way around why you

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Speaker 2: want to vote that way unless your vote still know

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Speaker 2: that's fine, you know, everyone has a foodom of choice.

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Speaker 2: But what it means to me is a person that

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Speaker 2: grew up out remote and Elliott in the seventies, being

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Speaker 2: on my month's country seeing poverty, despair, poor healthcare. Additions

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Speaker 2: having family that still live in community today living in despair, poverty,

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Speaker 2: you know, and even being affected by personally my growing

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Speaker 2: up experiences. We need to make things better, we need

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Speaker 2: to progress, and to me, a yes vote will mean progression.

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Speaker 2: It means that we have a different strategy to actually

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Speaker 2: influence and say to the politicians, this is what our

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Speaker 2: people on the ground needs. This is what our communities,

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Speaker 2: this is what our families are saying. So I am

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent on the yes camp, and I do

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Speaker 2: respect the people that say no or are undecided. For me,

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Speaker 2: I grew up in a time of poverty and I've

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Speaker 2: seen improvements and I think of it as a giant ball.

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Speaker 2: If were able to push that ball one centimeter one

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Speaker 2: year over a twelve month here, it is still progression

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Speaker 2: and that's what we need to do.

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Speaker 1: Richard. One of the questions that we got asked quite

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Speaker 1: regularly is why why do you think this will make

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Speaker 1: a difference.

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Speaker 2: It's an opportunity to make a difference because if we

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Speaker 2: actually get politicians listening to people who are on the

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Speaker 2: ground and making better decisions based on that information, then

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Speaker 2: that's going to generate change on the ground. So you know,

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Speaker 2: we're trying to me it's a reach out to an

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Speaker 2: opportunity where these recommendations and I talk about the social

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Speaker 2: determinants of health, you know, housing, health education. If we

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Speaker 2: were to put on something that was permanent, and we

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Speaker 2: made a recommendation in Parliament and was passed, it might

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Speaker 2: be something as simple as saying, well, we need to

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Speaker 2: have our languages taught in all schools. Now, if that

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Speaker 2: was approved and that became a permanent edition, then it's

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Speaker 2: not a wishy washy approach anymore. You know. If we

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Speaker 2: were to say something about we want all medical conditions,

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Speaker 2: medical clinics and medical access right across Australia equitably for

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Speaker 2: all Australians, then that means that we're not We're not

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Speaker 2: sitting in the water. We actually have a chance to

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Speaker 1: Tell me, Richard, what do you say to those who

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Speaker 1: you know who at this point in time They're looking

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Speaker 1: at this and they're going, I'm worried that it's going

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that was already no to buy. The

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Speaker 2: represent them, you know, and their best interests, and that

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Speaker 1: Now tell me, how do you expect people in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory are going to vote overall? And I do

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Speaker 1: you and do so. Helen's secretary quite similar questions. So

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Speaker 1: if I sound you know, if I sound like I'm

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Speaker 1: going down the list, that is why. But how do

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Speaker 2: Well, firstly, let me say I have all respect for

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Speaker 2: Helen and how she chooses to vote as well. But

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping and I can't predict. No one can predict

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Speaker 2: the future. But all I say is I hope people

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Speaker 2: will sway towards a yes vote. And the reason why

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Speaker 2: is because it's also been announced that what do we

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Speaker 2: have currently happening is not working, so we need a

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Speaker 2: no for this reason or that reason to me. It's

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Speaker 2: about going back to the first point, which is progression

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Speaker 2: of our people. Because what we've tried has failed. We

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Speaker 2: know that much. That's fact. What we can do can

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Speaker 2: be successful. We don't know that well. But you know

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Speaker 2: what it's like. Our first leaders, they actually from sixty

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Speaker 2: our first doctors. They went into a space unknown. We're

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Speaker 2: going into a space unknown. But if we're able to

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Speaker 2: test that and a successful great. If we don't test it,

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Speaker 2: nothing changes. The status quo is unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: Now. I know that there are some people in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory right now feeling a bit disenfranchised due to

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Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, this sort of needs the

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Speaker 1: double vote. So obviously it needs the majority of states,

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Speaker 1: and then it needs you know, more than fifty percent

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Speaker 1: of Australians, of all Australians. But some Territorians feeling a

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Speaker 2: Sure well, all I'd say to the Territorians is if

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Speaker 2: you don't vote, or if you vote no, nothing changes

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Speaker 2: if you vote yes, and it may carry some sway,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but you know, something's better than nothing.

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Speaker 2: And I'll take the history of the Northern Territory, especially

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Speaker 2: all of Darwin and Territorians were in a together, black,

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Speaker 2: white or brindle. And so this is why this is

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Speaker 2: a call out for help. Because Aboriginal people are in

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Speaker 2: the water. Original people are in the boat. We're asking

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Speaker 2: hand and help us out of the water and put

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Speaker 2: us in the boat because that's where we should be.

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Speaker 2: And once we're there, you know, we're going to have

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Speaker 2: a better Australia, A profitable Australia, are better educated Australia

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Speaker 2: across the board, more equitable and equity, sorry, equality across Australia.

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Speaker 1: Richard, what do you say to those people that are

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Speaker 1: listening this morning, that are sort of sitting on the

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Speaker 1: fence and they're they're you know, there may be not

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure they've you know, they're they're hearing

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Speaker 1: kind of all the noise and they're and they're a

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Speaker 1: bit confused. What do you say to them this morning?

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Speaker 2: Go online and do your research, Go and have a look,

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Speaker 2: make a decision for yourself. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: you're in the pollen booth. But for me and my experience,

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Speaker 2: I'm voting yes because I know we need something here.

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Speaker 1: Well, Richard Fijo, I always appreciate your time, mate, and

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your having a chat with us this morning,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's an insightful discussion, and I appreciate

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Speaker 1: the respect that you give people. You know, whether, like

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Speaker 1: you said, whichever way they vote, just make sure you

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Speaker 1: educate yourself. And I certainly echo that sentiment. Don't do

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Speaker 1: it because you heard somebody you know tell you something,

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Speaker 1: or you know, if somebody said something on Facebook. Go

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Speaker 1: and find it yourself. Go read that information and work

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Speaker 1: it out for yourself what you're going to do.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely agree with you. Go and do the research. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff out there, but you know, if

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Speaker 2: you're going to do that research, make sure it's legitimate research,

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Speaker 2: you know, not just he said, yeah, you know, which

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Speaker 2: we do get across a lot of these days. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you're confused further, talk to someone about it.

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Speaker 1: Ye.

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Speaker 2: Where do you get legitimate sources from?

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Speaker 1: Yep. But I really appreciate your time this morning. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for having a chat to us. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the way in which you're talking about it, about the

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Speaker 1: boat and Aussie's being on there, and you know, and

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Speaker 1: putting your hand out, I think it's like that's it's

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Speaker 1: a really nice way to put it. And and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: No worries, we all are all these Yeah, thank.

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Speaker 1: You, Yeah, good on you. Thanks so much for your time.

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