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Speaker 1: Welcome to the RAP, a weekly podcast covering women's sports

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Speaker 1: news news.

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Speaker 2: This a long one.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. My name is Chloe Dalton. I'm an Olympic

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Speaker 1: gold medalist in rugby sevens and I'm playing afow at

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Speaker 1: the moment for the GWS Giants. Every week on the show,

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by my co host Bez. We're back face

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Speaker 1: to face and it's going to be a bad one.

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Speaker 2: Well especially things are. All I have to offer is rugby.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure what I'm doing reading other women's sports news,

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Speaker 3: but anyway, play on taking a look around the grounds.

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Speaker 3: Millions tune in to watch the ice hockey gold middle match.

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Speaker 3: We had more shoeies from golfer Hannah Green and flag

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Speaker 3: bearing honor for three times Olympian Sam Sammy Kennedy sim

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Speaker 3: For our.

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Speaker 1: Key story, we'll discuss the unique impacts of concussion in

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Speaker 1: women's contact sport.

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Speaker 3: And in the ice bath with Budgie Smuggler. We chatted

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Speaker 3: to basketball like Madison and Rochie, who has just fulfilled

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Speaker 3: a childhood dream of representing the Opals.

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Speaker 1: This podcast drops every Tuesday morning at six am and

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Speaker 1: it's also in email format, so I'll put the link

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Speaker 1: in the show notes to make sure you can subscribe

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Speaker 1: to not miss that to read with your morning coffee

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Speaker 1: on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget the awesome pictures that go along with that. EMA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a thing of beauty. Let's take a look

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Speaker 1: around the grounds. In soccer, the A League Women's competition

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Speaker 1: is nearing the end of the regular season and Sydney

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Speaker 1: FC have suffered their first defeat, losing two to one

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Speaker 1: to Melbourne City on Sunday night. Melbourne City's win cut

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Speaker 1: Sydney FC's lead to just two points at the top

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Speaker 1: of the table, and City also have a game in hand.

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Speaker 1: The win for City was however, soured when Matilda's young

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Speaker 1: gun Holly McNamara went down late in the match with

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Speaker 1: a knee injury. They'll be waiting on scan results as

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Speaker 1: she has been exceptional in the second half of the season.

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Speaker 2: It gets crossed.

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Speaker 3: In golf week, it was a golf shoe slash champagne

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Speaker 3: shoey moment. This week it was a slightly different type

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Speaker 3: of history being made by Hannah Green. On Sunday, Green

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Speaker 3: scored a dominant four shot victory in the two hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars TPS Murray River becoming the first woman to

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Speaker 3: win a seventy two whole mixed gender tournament on any

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Speaker 3: of the world's leading golf tours. Green started the final

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Speaker 3: round and a four way tie for the lead with

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Speaker 3: Andrew Edmonds, Matthew Miller and Blake Collier or guys Amazing.

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Speaker 3: She stepped up and separated herself from the others when

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Speaker 3: she chipped in for eagle on the par five tenth

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Speaker 3: hole to go three shots clear. From there, Green never

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Speaker 3: looked back and was stoked to take the win in

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Speaker 3: the tournament, which is part of the PGA Australia's Interview

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Speaker 3: Players series. So this series was introduced at the start

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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty one and all the tournaments have women

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Speaker 3: and men competing in the same field from adjusted teas

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Speaker 3: for the same prize perse and one trophy as part

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Speaker 3: of the PGA two of Australasia and the WPGA Tour schedules.

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Speaker 3: This time, after the victory, Green got her caddy in

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Speaker 3: on the action and it made her join in her

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Speaker 3: Champagne Showy celebration.

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Speaker 1: Delicious Delicious in surfing, Brussa Hennessy has won her first

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Speaker 1: World Series title at Sunset Beach, defeating Maria Manuel of Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: Hennessy's victory was also the first time a surfer from

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Speaker 1: Costa Rica had won a Championship Tour event. The two

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Speaker 1: Izzy Young Guns made it through to the quarterfinals. India

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Speaker 1: Robinson and Molly Picklem, however, didn't progress any further, with

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Speaker 1: Picklam losing to eventual winner Hennessy. The next round of

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Speaker 1: the Championship Tour is scheduled to take place in Portugal

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Speaker 1: from March to the.

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Speaker 3: Third Winter Olympics time. He's a little rap within the rap.

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Speaker 3: The final days of competition in Beijing saw Bob sled

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Speaker 3: Brie real name Bree Walker take to the ice in

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Speaker 3: the monobob and the two person Bob's leigh. Obviously, going

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Speaker 3: pusher Kiaro Rodingez. Just like the mono bob event, the

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Speaker 1: The closing ceremony was held on Sunday night and our

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Speaker 1: flag bear was ski out Sammy Kennedy. Sim she's a

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Speaker 1: true competitor, both in the sporting arena and in life.

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Speaker 1: She's got a pretty incredible story. So in twenty thirteen

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Speaker 1: third Olympics and her dream was a place on the podium.

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Speaker 1: Sadly that wasn't to be. However, she did reach the

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Speaker 1: serious icing on the cake when she carried the Aussie

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Speaker 1: flag into the closing ceremony. She said it was a

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Speaker 1: rare privilege to be chosen to lead out her national

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Speaker 1: team at the closing ceremony in Beijing, marking the end

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Speaker 1: of Australia's most successful Winter Games campaign, where we won

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Speaker 1: the news, saying what an honor. When Jeff who's the

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Speaker 1: she said, I was a bit stunned, but what a

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Speaker 1: way to wrap up my third Games. Well, I did

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Speaker 1: come here to better my last performance. It's another top

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Speaker 1: ten performance at an Olympic Games, and I'm very proud

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Speaker 1: of that. Congrat Sammy in an amazing achievement.

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Speaker 3: In some non Aussie Winter Olympic news, So, ice hockey

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Speaker 1: And the umpires get refs. Let's say refs. It's American.

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Speaker 1: Surely they're wearing They've got to be refs. They get

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Speaker 3: I may have made a complaint recently whilst watching that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard.

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Speaker 3: However, in Beijing last week, the USA and the Canadian women,

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Speaker 3: for one, since nineteen ninety eight, and this match was

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Speaker 3: just the latest in a thrilling chapter of the sport's

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Speaker 3: greatest rivalry. Marie lip Pullin had two goals, while goalie

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Speaker 3: and Renee Desibian's made thirty eight saves in Canada's three

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Speaker 3: match to an average audience of three point five million viewers,

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Speaker 3: US since twenty nineteen. It's that only behind the title

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Speaker 3: clinching Game five of the twenty twenty one Stanley Cup Final,

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Speaker 3: in which Tampa Bay beat Montreal.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: I love I love when the word million is there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Interestingly, both teams took time before and during the games

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Speaker 3: indeed competitions for women in hockey. The NHL to this

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Speaker 3: point has insisted that a sustainable professional women's league should

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Speaker 1: It's a bit mind blowing when you've read something like that.

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Speaker 1: And what was also not mind blowing, in a sad

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Speaker 1: reporters after their loss in the gold medal match, saying,

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Speaker 1: I think because we know what we deserve and we're

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Speaker 1: not settling for anything less than that, we need to

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Speaker 1: continue to use our voices together to ensure a better

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Speaker 1: future for women in hockey. I think we've seen the gaps,

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Speaker 1: we've seen the holes, and we've seen the areas that

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Speaker 1: need improvement. And it's not just at this level, but

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Speaker 1: at grassroots level as well. Yeah, at times it can

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Speaker 1: be exhausting when the players are constantly the ones pushing

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Speaker 1: and so we're not having to question everything that we

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Speaker 1: know we deserve. A lot of that. You just read

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Speaker 1: it and you could sub in any sport, right, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: let's take a look at the key story, all right.

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Speaker 3: AFLW Kirston MacLeod has played seventeen consecutive seasons of footy.

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Speaker 3: She was drafted by the Western Bulldogs at pick number

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Speaker 3: twenty eight in the inaugural AFLW draft, and the year

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Speaker 3: her team clinched the prem she won the Coach's Award.

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Speaker 3: Twenty Twenty twenty was another good season for McLoud, taking

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Speaker 3: out the Most Improved Award, but twenty twenty one was

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Speaker 3: a difficult year for the forward, sustaining what she describes

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Speaker 3: as four or five head knocks in the preseason. She

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Speaker 3: was feeling nauseous and all that kind of stuff. But

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Speaker 3: despite this the verity of her symptoms, McLoud was reluctant

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Speaker 3: when she lost her vision doing one hundred and twn

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Speaker 1: Wow. And the really interesting part is she actually was

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Speaker 1: really afraid to report this to anyone in the medical team.

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Speaker 1: She said, she didn't tell the doctors. She didn't actually

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Speaker 1: tell anyone. She was so worried about being told that

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Speaker 1: she'd have to sit on the sidelines and she wasn't

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Speaker 1: mentally ready for that, so she just kept it to herself.

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Speaker 1: And a big part of that she talked about was

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Speaker 1: the short nature of the AFLW season. And we know

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Speaker 1: with concussion, when you do your typical scans like a

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Speaker 1: CT scan or an MRI, the brain presents like a

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Speaker 1: normal brain. I don't know if you've seen that concussion movie.

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Speaker 1: Oh great movie. If you haven't seen it, it's quite

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Speaker 1: confronting writing and there's evidence post mortem on NFL players' brains,

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Speaker 1: but for us, it's generally doing a SCAT test. So

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Speaker 1: if you have a head knock in a game, you're

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Speaker 1: taken off for a head injury assessment and it involves

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Speaker 1: asking about your symptoms. So there is that element where

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Speaker 1: do you have a headache, do you feel nauseous, do

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Speaker 1: you feel not yourself? A whole range of questions like that.

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Speaker 1: But then there's also baseline measures that are taken, including

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Speaker 1: having to remember a number of words, time day, the

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Speaker 1: opposition you played last week, things like that. So there

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Speaker 1: is an element that is objective in that, but I

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Speaker 1: think the scary part is there is a subjective piece

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Speaker 1: where athletes can make that choice to not report symptoms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Shreya McCloud, who's a physiotherapist and a

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Speaker 1: The next big thing for the Opens will be prepping

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at what to watch in soccer.

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Speaker 1: In a League Women, it's getting down to the wire.

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Speaker 1: Second place Melbourne City will need to defeat the Brisbane

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Speaker 1: The match will be held at Kingston Heath Soccer Complex,

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Speaker 2: Plus and in AFLW.

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Speaker 3: The tournament enters round eight on the weekend and the

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Speaker 3: And that's the rap amazing.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget hit subscribe on this one. Oh we forgot

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Speaker 1: to say. The Tiana Pennatani episode.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely great. Listen got me in the fields.

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Speaker 3: I must admit hearing yourself and Tiana compare war stories challenges,

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Speaker 3: you know, real genuine displays of resilience that you both shared.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 3: I actually driving home from band tour we listened to

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Speaker 1: Thanks. Yeah, I enjoyed it a lot. I've got some

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Speaker 1: So make sure you listen to that one. It's out now. Subscribe,

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