WEBVTT - Is A Gift Card An Acceptable Present? 🎁

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms Flex and Firms. This is the Flex

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<v Speaker 1>and Frooms catch up podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh everybody, No, I'm scared. Who is Cleo nor Cleo?

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<v Speaker 3>Phoebe Tonkin?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh from H two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, shout out Jamie Timini who was in the show

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<v Speaker 2>Friend of Mine Mossy listeners to music anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that a tangent?

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<v Speaker 3>Keep it tied?

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway?

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<v Speaker 3>So what show was that? And my friend?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, sorry, we're gonna be talking about the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the world. I was just trying to like bring the

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<v Speaker 2>energy up because you're about to shoot it down out

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<v Speaker 2>of the skygirl.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the body he flex and Firms Flexen fromes.

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<v Speaker 4>Cater Never miss a Beat.

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<v Speaker 3>I said.

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<v Speaker 4>One of my twenty twenty three outs was respectability politics,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's you know, a lot of us find us

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<v Speaker 4>shackled by the idea that we have to say things

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<v Speaker 4>in the right way to be heard or the polite way,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm just over it.

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<v Speaker 3>This year.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm getting really annoyed because I feel like we've spent

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<v Speaker 4>the last five years learning how to critically critically think

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<v Speaker 4>like unpacked staff become smarter, and yet we keep asking

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<v Speaker 4>ourselves really silly questions or ones that don't need this

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<v Speaker 4>much thought at all. This Am I the asshole in particular?

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<v Speaker 4>No shade to the author, but I just feel like,

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<v Speaker 4>is this what we need to be thinking about on a.

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<v Speaker 1>Day to day and yet you're hooked?

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<v Speaker 3>You're here. I am the problem. I am what do

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<v Speaker 3>you call it a problem?

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<v Speaker 4>Am I the asshole for buying a gift card as

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<v Speaker 4>a birthday gift? Off the top woft? No, no, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>So am I the asshole for buying my mother in

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<v Speaker 4>law a gift card for her birthday? It was a

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<v Speaker 4>marvelous night, lots of fun until she opened my present

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<v Speaker 4>and everyone stared at me with effing, flaming daggers. Mother

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<v Speaker 4>in law had no issue at all, or she's a

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<v Speaker 4>very talented actress using her best smile. My significant other

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<v Speaker 4>significant other thinks I'm the asshole because I'm supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>give someone an actual gift on their birthday, which I

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<v Speaker 4>did a Nike gift card for seventy five dollars to

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<v Speaker 4>buy workout clothes from her favorite brand. I feel I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not the asshole for the simple fact that my gift

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<v Speaker 4>had thought and value. Meanwhile, there were some very heavy

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<v Speaker 4>hitting gifts jewelry expensive shoes, Bloomingdale clothes, et cetera. And

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<v Speaker 4>I can't even afford more than seventy five dollars without

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<v Speaker 4>breaking Christmas budget or you know, paying my rent. Am

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<v Speaker 4>I the crazy one here?

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<v Speaker 3>Please?

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<v Speaker 4>I know I'm already conflicted about the situation. I felt

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<v Speaker 4>bad enough that the rest of the night I hit

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<v Speaker 4>in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of the food.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not the food that is the real issue.

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<v Speaker 3>It was not the food.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>That one is a little bit more complex because gifting culture,

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<v Speaker 4>much like tipping culture, a lot of unspoken rules and

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<v Speaker 4>not a lot of like middle ground at all. Do

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<v Speaker 4>not say too much, missus, and not.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just a horrible, horrible situation on behalf of

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<v Speaker 2>everybody but this woman first and foremost. Am I ever

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<v Speaker 2>going to be getting my mother in law's seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>dollars gift card?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, gift full stop? Absolutely not, oh never.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's either under fifty or if it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the first birthday with your partner or like your parents,

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<v Speaker 2>you do in the upper one hundreds. Okay, seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>is the weirdest amount, so.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the number amount that's really got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it has seventy five dollars, Like, how did you

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<v Speaker 2>think about it? You may as well just have done

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<v Speaker 2>like sixty two or something. I will say it's very thoughtful.

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<v Speaker 2>Nike is her favorite brand, and sports where is something

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<v Speaker 2>that's very particular. I don't want someone going out and

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<v Speaker 2>buying me a pair of short It's like a very

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<v Speaker 2>specific type. I personally have nothing against gift cards.

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<v Speaker 4>Who started anti gift card propaganda because I think a

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<v Speaker 4>few people have Number one, overestimated their importance to assume

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<v Speaker 4>that I have enough time, space and energy to go

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<v Speaker 4>out and find you a physical gift. When you can

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<v Speaker 4>do that in your own time, it's your gift. ME

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<v Speaker 4>providing the resources for you to get exactly what you

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<v Speaker 4>want feels like the most thoughtful thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Now as an adult, I realize why people think that

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<v Speaker 2>it's rude to get gift cards, because I understand how

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<v Speaker 2>hard it is to make time to get gifts. If

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense. Yes, I used to never think it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think there was anything difference between going out

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<v Speaker 2>and getting a gift card and buying something in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of like the labor, I will.

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<v Speaker 4>Say there is a difference, like if there's anyone in

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<v Speaker 4>my life who's important enough to me that warrants a

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<v Speaker 4>gift or expects a gift. I will do the due

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<v Speaker 4>diligence and go out and get them a gift, right,

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<v Speaker 4>But a mother in law is a very specific niche

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<v Speaker 4>of gift giving, Like I don't really know you like

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<v Speaker 4>that I might know.

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<v Speaker 3>Of you, so I feel like a gift. But to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Honest, I would go to like six No six, a

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<v Speaker 4>dip teek candle and call it a day.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say the hand crem not the hand crem

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<v Speaker 2>pack from where just a body shop number.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're not we're not doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>That's built different, different, and that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Mother in law is specifically with the awkwardest. Actually, a

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<v Speaker 2>father in law might be awkward as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I'm not getting him a gift.

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<v Speaker 2>I got my ex's sister A we're doing siblings. It

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<v Speaker 2>was yeah, I was like meant to go up and

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<v Speaker 2>see it. We ended up like breaking up, but I

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<v Speaker 2>already got in the present.

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<v Speaker 1>But then we bring it up.

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<v Speaker 2>But I gotta like a Mason Balzac, like the carafe

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<v Speaker 2>and the class moment before it was very popular, mind you, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>just saying taste maker so yeah, but never met her

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<v Speaker 2>actually either, So just be.

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<v Speaker 1>Careful you were doing too much. I was doing a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>that's okay, that's okay. I went out in Style Flex

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<v Speaker 1>and Frooms, they're the best.

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<v Speaker 3>What a duo.

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<v Speaker 2>Flex is looking at me very alarm because I've just

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<v Speaker 2>tried to stuff a piece of paper back in my.

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<v Speaker 4>Fold, just that we are on borrow time right now,

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<v Speaker 4>like there's so much to do today, so little time,

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<v Speaker 4>and the one time for me decides to open our

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<v Speaker 4>clipboards that Brooks so lovingly creates for us with all

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<v Speaker 4>of our notes. She's like fussing about trying to like

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<v Speaker 4>stuff it in neatly. It's not the time, babe, It's

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<v Speaker 4>not the time. It is the time, however, to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about your transformation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, my shift, my metamorphosis. As you know, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>blonde head girl. Maybe you don't know that if you're

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<v Speaker 2>just listening on the radio. But I've been blonde for

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years, okay. My shift from a dark brunette into

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<v Speaker 2>a light peroxide blonde started when I was in year

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<v Speaker 2>six got my first highlights, or maybe year seven, one

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<v Speaker 2>of those years. It actually began. A friend of mine's

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<v Speaker 2>mum was a hairdresser and I went over there and

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<v Speaker 2>she died it red and like remember when we were

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<v Speaker 2>really younger, there was like you'd cut all the top

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<v Speaker 2>of it so it was spiky.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, it was one of those numbers kind of

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of the curve.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked horrible on me, shocking, one of my worst

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<v Speaker 1>looks ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not big enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a bit chicken vibes with that really

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<v Speaker 2>francy chicken. Anyway, I died at brown on a whim.

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<v Speaker 1>The other day.

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<v Speaker 2>My hair had started breaking off ferociously from the bleach.

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<v Speaker 2>It finally said no more, and so I've gone back

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<v Speaker 2>to my original color, which is dark brown.

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<v Speaker 3>Initial thoughtslex phenomenal. I actually saw a soft launch.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think you intended it to be released to

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<v Speaker 4>the public, you know, unbeknownst to you, without your consent.

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<v Speaker 4>But I did see a story on a mutual friend's page,

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<v Speaker 4>not hard launching the color change. But you were padding

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<v Speaker 4>a dog at a cafe and I said, hold on,

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<v Speaker 4>hold on, and then you did a hard launch on

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<v Speaker 4>the feet and I was saying, it makes you look

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<v Speaker 4>so luminous. But I don't know you as a brunette.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's really bizarre. But the reason why I

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<v Speaker 4>asked if you're going to talk about it is because

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<v Speaker 4>about two years ago I discovered that there was law

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, a bit of controversy in the Caucasian

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<v Speaker 4>community about hair color. One would say, a social hierarchy.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't think it was that deep, right. I think

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<v Speaker 4>I made an offhand remark about how you know, if

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<v Speaker 4>you were born blonde and then you get to the

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<v Speaker 4>age thirteen and your hair is brunette, then you are

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<v Speaker 4>a brunette, right, And everyone's like, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>you do have to specify that you were a blonde

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<v Speaker 4>now and I and there's all different types of blondes.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think my I didn't intend for it to

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<v Speaker 4>be flipping because I didn't understand the layers there were

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<v Speaker 4>to it. And so to go from a peroxide blonde

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<v Speaker 4>like the level that you were at, the blondest of

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<v Speaker 4>the blonde, to go straight dark on a whim, not

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<v Speaker 4>even ash blonde, honey, blonde, caramel dark, I said.

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<v Speaker 3>Is everything well? Is everything well? In your heart?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what it's that I was unwell?

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<v Speaker 2>I was always a dark brown brunette girl. And me

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<v Speaker 2>becoming blond was because I wanted to jump up the hierarchy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a social climber. What can I say? And I

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<v Speaker 2>just one more time, and I'm a social climber. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be Can I just get that on video? If

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<v Speaker 3>we could just really quickly one more time?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've been put on the spot. I'm not a

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<v Speaker 2>social climber.

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<v Speaker 1>No I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I have social climbing tendencies, as does everybody in this society.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's only fair to have social climbing tendency.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a social boulderer.

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<v Speaker 1>Up against it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I say this all to say going off blonde, like,

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<v Speaker 2>to me, blonde was like my edge. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Paula Yates, I'm Jessica Rowe, I'm all these things.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm different, and so to be brown to me is

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<v Speaker 2>to be basic and to be not looked at. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think for me, you're right, it's deeper for some people.

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<v Speaker 4>I think for a lot of people, hair generally is deep.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't care what anybody says. Hair is deep, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's good to understand what your personal relationship towards your

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<v Speaker 4>hair is.

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<v Speaker 2>My relationship was like I'm either going to have a

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<v Speaker 2>shaved head or I'm going to be blonde because I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be edgy and different. But now as I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting older, I'm kind of like I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>used to not having to look a certain way.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not in the defeatist capacity.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more like I want to be okay with not

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<v Speaker 2>having my appearance define how cool I am. If that

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense, that's huge, and I think I only got

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<v Speaker 2>here through starting to like who I am. As crazy

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<v Speaker 2>as that's but yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>All very personal.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very excited about my hair, actually feel good about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to grow it out long. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be one hundred percent basic, the basic of

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<v Speaker 2>the basic, and I'm here for it.

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<v Speaker 1>No offense to brunettes have long hair, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry Brooke, our producer, I'm going to be quickly looking

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<v Speaker 4>at the corner, like where do I go.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna have no personality.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna shine anymore, but I'm gonna be happy

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<v Speaker 4>with it like the rest of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn it'd be like that. Well that's me.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're seeing the videos next week of us

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<v Speaker 2>on cater and you see brunette don't think the Friomi

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<v Speaker 2>is gone. I'm just in a new case cater.

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and fromes.

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<v Speaker 3>You're listening to flex and frooms.

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<v Speaker 1>What the frick flex you?

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to listen to Submission. It's from a woman

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<v Speaker 2>who will not be named. Thank you for protecting her

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<v Speaker 2>bad Hi Freemi, hope you will for the show. Can

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<v Speaker 2>we discuss the intricacies and complexities when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>mother daughter relationships? Spicy, I feel like you're either extremely

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<v Speaker 2>close to your mum, talk every day, et cetera, or

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<v Speaker 2>your relationship is incredibly strained and distant personally on the ladder, Babe,

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<v Speaker 2>my mum is still pierced off at me about not

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<v Speaker 2>making entire speech dedicated to her at my twenty first

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<v Speaker 2>Oh now I'm thirty and it's been years of us

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<v Speaker 2>going through stages, a semi connection.

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<v Speaker 1>And complete strangers.

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<v Speaker 3>Why are you love, babe?

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<v Speaker 2>So the twenty first year maggot love mom.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to thank you for pushing me through

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<v Speaker 3>your birds and yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Birth pain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like, yeah, that doesn't happen, babes.

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<v Speaker 1>It really doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>And I will say because we've been very much impacted

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<v Speaker 4>by the patriarchy, conversational daddy issues are very like, very commonplace.

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<v Speaker 4>You say daddy issues, Everyone's like, yeah, we know exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what this means. The complexities of it for all genders

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<v Speaker 4>and non genders. We get it mummy issues, though people

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<v Speaker 4>don't think they're as serious or they're not spoken of

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<v Speaker 4>as much. There's no sexiness, No, it's mixing sexiness. But

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<v Speaker 4>I also think it's complex in a way that people

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to unpack because I don't think that it's

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's just really easy to like frame dads

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<v Speaker 4>as deadbeats and mom's as saints, and so when you

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<v Speaker 4>want to contradict that narrative, it gets really confusing for people.

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<v Speaker 3>We also watched.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything Everywhere All at Once, and that was a really

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<v Speaker 4>good movie about the complexities of not only mummy issues

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<v Speaker 4>but cross continental cultural mother daughter relationship issues. What I

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<v Speaker 4>will say is that I really do imply to people

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<v Speaker 4>who don't have good relationships with their mum. I haven't

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<v Speaker 4>always had a great relationship with mine because it wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>modeled to me. I just remember observing shout out to

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<v Speaker 4>my ex boyfriend had such a good relationship with his mom,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like, I like my mom this much,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't call her multiple times a week, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't check in, I don't text her.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I remember confessing this to my mom and

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<v Speaker 4>her are really like, it would make my life if

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<v Speaker 4>you just sent me a text, It would make my

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<v Speaker 4>existence if you just told me.

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<v Speaker 3>What you were doing.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, what, that's it, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 4>that's all I want, and I do, and let me

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<v Speaker 4>tell you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the best thing ever. I'm obsessed.

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<v Speaker 4>What I will say though, is that like it's really

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<v Speaker 4>it's a big task, as like a young person or

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<v Speaker 4>as a child, as an adult to try and like

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<v Speaker 4>heal your parents. And like, if your mom's pissed off

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<v Speaker 4>at you for not acknowledging her at your twenty first

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<v Speaker 4>and it's been nine years, that is a problem bigger

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<v Speaker 4>than you can fix on your own.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just also like, so my relationship with my mum,

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<v Speaker 2>or my experience growing up was that mum is a saint.

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<v Speaker 1>She does no wrong. She's never once done something to

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<v Speaker 1>hurt me. That's big.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like, how do you say that's unachievable? Like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I could do that for my daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>because I have to put myself first. Sometimes I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>criticizing what she did, but there was like entirely selfless.

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<v Speaker 2>But I understand as a person and my relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>other people, sometimes you are mad at people. There'd be

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<v Speaker 2>times when I'm piecing my mum off, you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>I can.

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<v Speaker 1>See why the mum's upset. Because everybody has these.

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<v Speaker 3>Like nice figures.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know some people whole grudges.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Look, it's tricky what I will say.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not Karen to I just think what's happening now

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<v Speaker 4>is you're matching each other's energy, and if you want

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<v Speaker 4>different results, you have to try different things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very hard though.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very hard dealing with someone who is emotional, who

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<v Speaker 2>is convinced that you did something to really hurt them.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a case where you have to just swallow

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<v Speaker 2>your pride if.

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<v Speaker 3>You want the relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so because something that you learn, something that

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<v Speaker 2>I've learned with like repairing my relationship with my sister,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, nothing in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Is better than not beefing with somebody. Nothing. I never

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<v Speaker 1>thought it. I never thought it bothered me.

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<v Speaker 2>And now that we're friends, I'm like, my life is

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<v Speaker 2>exponentially better. But I would have never thought of it

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<v Speaker 2>because I just didn't think a relationship was on the

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<v Speaker 2>cards for me and my sister. So if you could

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<v Speaker 2>just put your pride to the side and just go

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<v Speaker 2>full steam ahead trying to repair it with your mum

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<v Speaker 2>and take your ego out of it, take your feelings

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<v Speaker 2>out of it for the short term, then I think

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<v Speaker 2>you will see results that will make it so you

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel the need to message us.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the opposite.

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<v Speaker 4>I think some things are too hard for you to

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<v Speaker 4>deal with on your own, and she's not meeting you halfway,

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<v Speaker 4>then like, act accordingly.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn well, can let us know how you go? Girl?

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and frims flex and frimes cater never miss a beat.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to be honest, I want to be candid.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to start twenty twenty three strong.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry interrupting. Are you ever not honest and candid?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm setting a point, you know how, Sometimes you

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<v Speaker 4>just have to like let people know what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 4>put context behind your behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>So they don't get upset.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and also, I told you I have this thing

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<v Speaker 4>where because of the tone of my voice, people think

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<v Speaker 4>I'm being sarcastic and I'm being quite serious. This is

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<v Speaker 4>one of those moments. We are closer to the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the world than you think. Not a bit, not

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<v Speaker 4>a joke, although it sounds like I'm smiling. I know

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<v Speaker 4>I think I am smiling.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, no, no, no no no.

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<v Speaker 3>This is your PSA.

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<v Speaker 4>Go commit that crime, send that text, fall in love,

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<v Speaker 4>quit your job, maybe don't do any of these things.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, the world is ending. An elits group of

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<v Speaker 4>scientists who monitor the world for the possibility of an

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<v Speaker 4>arm again and caused by humans, have released their annual report.

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<v Speaker 4>So they've made.

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<v Speaker 3>This really cute and helpful clock.

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<v Speaker 4>It's called the doomsday clock and essentially yeah, something like goods. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>And essentially, when this clock strikes to midnight visually, because

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we're visual learners, when this clock visually strikes

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<v Speaker 4>midnight's we know it's game over and the world has ended.

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<v Speaker 4>So in twenty twenty, when COVID happened, we were one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred seconds to midnight. That's very close to the end

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<v Speaker 4>of all things.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>As of twenty twenty three, in January, the scientists have

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<v Speaker 4>updated the clock. We are now ninety seconds to midnight.

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<v Speaker 4>It's getting worse rapidly now, you might be wondering, how

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<v Speaker 4>do they measure, like how close we are to the

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<v Speaker 4>end of the world. It's a combination of like social

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<v Speaker 4>based catastrophic events, the war in Ukraine, and also climate

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<v Speaker 4>based catastrophic events, and there's been a lot of those

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<v Speaker 4>happening in very quick succession, and so you might be wondering, well,

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<v Speaker 4>what do we do with this information? I'm not sure,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't think the scientists know either, because, as

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they've been chaining themselves to landmarks and trying

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<v Speaker 4>to get our attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Stopping on the Sydney hrbor Bridge slate Queen, doing all.

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<v Speaker 4>They can to let us know that we are, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we're hitting the brink right Like it was breaking point

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<v Speaker 4>twenty years ago when they were like, don't water your

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<v Speaker 4>grass anymore and we were like, oh what, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Grass needs to be green.

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<v Speaker 4>And now we're hitting that point and like, if you

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<v Speaker 4>don't laugh, you'll cry, And I'm trying to cry more, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Not at work.

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<v Speaker 4>Here is a quote though this scientist says humanity continues

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<v Speaker 4>to face two simultaneous existential dangers, nuclear war and climate change,

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<v Speaker 4>that are compounded by a threat multiplier, cyber enabled information

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<v Speaker 4>warfare that undercuts society's ability ability to respond, which means

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<v Speaker 4>that the issue is these things are happening at such

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<v Speaker 4>intensity so quickly that we can't respond fast enough to

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<v Speaker 4>fix it. Shout out to scientists, number one, Shout out

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<v Speaker 4>to humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>They're killing my vibe. To be perfectly honest.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not great, but you know, it is information and

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<v Speaker 4>information is power or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the end of the world is nigh, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we I think it was a few months ago, mate,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like literally almost a year ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about how for a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of is the worst of the world right now.

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<v Speaker 2>People who are hungry, people who are displaced by flooding xyz.

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<v Speaker 2>So are we thinking that just the more it goes along,

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<v Speaker 2>the more we will be impacted from where we are sitting.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think the conversations about the end of the

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<v Speaker 4>world are very like Western centric because yeah, like I

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<v Speaker 4>was saying, I mean think this would have been the

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<v Speaker 4>last year most parts of the world. I wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 4>most parts, but significant populations have been experiencing what we

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<v Speaker 4>think is the worst possible case scenario in their everyday life.

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<v Speaker 4>Extreme weather, displacement, poverty, like no access to clean water,

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<v Speaker 4>no access to resources, no uber eats, you know, no medication,

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<v Speaker 4>the basics, right, And so now we're getting to the

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<v Speaker 4>point where not only is it impacting us in the West,

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<v Speaker 4>but metropolitan places. That's where it's really messing people up there,

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<v Speaker 4>like it shouldn't be asked because, if anything, it should

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<v Speaker 4>be regional inland over there. And I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 4>why these conversations always lack the urgency, because we're stuck

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<v Speaker 4>in delusion that it shouldn't be us. Well, we're not

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<v Speaker 4>from those places, we don't live in those places.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not our narrative.

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<v Speaker 4>And so because of that, I think we also struggle

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<v Speaker 4>to prepare because I think that some of us live

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<v Speaker 4>in this like if you prepare for it, you're acknowledging

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<v Speaker 4>it or you are having to commit to changes that

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<v Speaker 4>you don't want to believe are true. But then also

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like people think it's out of their depth

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<v Speaker 4>because what can you really do when a flood comes in?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, what are you meant to do?

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<v Speaker 1>So many sandbags?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I feel like, you know what happened in

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<v Speaker 4>was it Lismo last year? Whereas like flood after flood

0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.840
<v Speaker 4>after flood after flood after flood, and it's like, okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 4>you could only just like live your day to day

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<v Speaker 4>and hope that you have enough like energy to like

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<v Speaker 4>keep living and stuff. And I also feel like the

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<v Speaker 4>conversation about climate change has been so like highbrow, like

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<v Speaker 4>philosophical and not practical. I it's just like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like the canoe tipping theory, and it's like, babes, listen

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<v Speaker 4>to what that theory is, Like have you.

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<v Speaker 2>Heard of it that like one day it like it

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<v Speaker 2>rocks and rocks and rocks and one day just capsizes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>So people often people often feel that the impacts of

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<v Speaker 4>climate change will be like a slow burn or like

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<v Speaker 4>it'll build sequentially, like you know, this will happen here,

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<v Speaker 4>and then this will happen here, and then the temperature

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<v Speaker 4>will raise zero point five degrees and this, like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll have time to adjust it every age, when realistically, no,

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to be really extreme events and all of

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<v Speaker 4>a sudden it's like, yeah, there it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of liken it to aging.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, when you're really young, you just think

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be this and then this and this,

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<v Speaker 2>when in actuality the older you get the faster time goes,

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<v Speaker 2>like scientifically, Yeah, you know, when you're one, your whole

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<v Speaker 2>life is one, so it feels really long. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when you're two you've got it dart and then by

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<v Speaker 2>the time you're fifty, a whole year is in comparison

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<v Speaker 2>to the other forty nine years. I do think though,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a slow burn.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean time is relative, right, like it's a slow burn,

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<v Speaker 4>like from the dinosaurs to now, because yeah, it's been

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<v Speaker 4>kind of slow or has it been like the last

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<v Speaker 4>couple of.

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<v Speaker 3>Years where every Christmas is raining? You know what I

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<v Speaker 3>mean saying yes, that's the real impacts. No, I've had enough.

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<v Speaker 4>What I will say though, I do like your point

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<v Speaker 4>about being hopeful about it because I think for me personally,

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<v Speaker 4>it's less about.

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<v Speaker 3>Like what am I going to do today to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Float in Sydney and more so how can I maintain

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<v Speaker 4>a lust for life?

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's look at some things. The o'son layer is healing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how, but somehow it's healing. There's new

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<v Speaker 2>like plastic technologies where they're gonna turn plastic around, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's the same quality is virgin plastic.

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<v Speaker 1>That's gonna change the game.

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<v Speaker 2>So solar power that everybody just seeds to get there

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<v Speaker 2>freaking fucking act together.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You start off following, Yeah, I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>it anyway. One more thing.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, I just found this button in the studio.

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<v Speaker 1>It does different.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, one more and oh no no no, no, no, no

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<v Speaker 2>no no.

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<v Speaker 1>Should we end?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? Kisses everyone.

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