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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 2: Now, the thing that I know now is that I

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum

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Speaker 3: It's the Happy Family's podcast. But doctor Justin Coulson and

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Speaker 3: six books about raising a happy family, and Kylie. As

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Speaker 3: we get ready for Father's Day and talk about what

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Speaker 3: it is to be a dad and celebrate your dad

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Speaker 3: their Father's Day. We have wrangled your dad into a conversation.

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Speaker 3: He was reluctant, his knees are knocking, he's nervous, and

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: You're probably thinking this isn't the way you want it

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Speaker 4: to be celebrated for Father's Day, aren't you.

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Speaker 2: I definitely am.

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Speaker 3: The things that dads do for their kids, right, you

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Speaker 4: So Dad Justin and I were having a conversation the

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Speaker 2: Definitely? Okay?

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Speaker 4: What was that like for you?

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Speaker 2: For me, it was the most amazing experience that I

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Speaker 2: it's just an awesome, awesome experience. It's something that you

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Speaker 3: In the conversation that we had just before Mother's Day

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Speaker 2: I do, Sally, Because obviously the whole time of the pregnancy,

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Speaker 2: And obviously that joy goes after Bubby's keep you awake

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Speaker 6: But what I want to ask you about is your parents.

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Speaker 3: So when I stepped into the family and married Kylie,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think hit the nail on the head there.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that I have loved the most

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Speaker 3: Well, now you've gone and taken the question that I

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Speaker 3: was going to ask Kylie. Hey, after the break, we're

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Speaker 3: Plus a couple of other really special questions to ask

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Speaker 3: Lez about raising Kylie and having a house full of daughters.

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Speaker 4: we have my daddy, and he's always been my daddy.

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Speaker 6: I love this conversation. It's been really nice so far. Les.

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Speaker 3: At some point I showed up and that obviously changed

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Speaker 3: things for your families significantly. Kylie has a question for

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Speaker 3: just wanted you to be completely honest. I don't want

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Speaker 4: What were your first impressions of Justin.

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Speaker 2: Me? I thought very bright, very probably overconfident.

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Speaker 4: That's a really polite way of putting it.

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Speaker 2: I say that honestly because I'm not a confident person.

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Speaker 3: I remember one thing in particular that's really struck me well.

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Speaker 6: Two things.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I asked Kylie to marry me over

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Speaker 4: Are you proud of who I've become?

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Speaker 6: I'd love to know.

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Speaker 3: What do you What are your best moments as a

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Speaker 2: I love you too, and I'm grateful for this opportunity

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Speaker 2: It's it's been such a wonderful journey and I look

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Les. We really appreciate the chat.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Alsen. Okay, see ya, see ya.

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Speaker 3: It's really hard to close a podcast out when it

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Speaker 6: What A what a really really really.

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Speaker 3: Kind and wonderful and generous conversation with your dad. The

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Speaker 3: Happy Family's podcast is produced by Justin Roland from Bridge

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Speaker 3: that Father's Day is special for you. We recognize that

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